The Olof Palme Assassination
http://www.skog.de/enpalme1.htm
A possible solution 16 years after?
1986 on the 28th of February the then prime-minister of Sweden, Olof Palme, was assassinated on Sveavägen in the center of Stockholm. The killer was never found and the only one who was ever brought to trial for it was acquitted.
My research for an earlier article about the CIA killing of a Dr Frank Olson in 1953 has crept into my mind and when a reader of one of my articles asked me about the Palme killing, I started to connect things. Some further research and rereading of earlier material leads me to some thinking that as far as I know has never been brought to the attention of the general public or the authorities. And it fits with most of the evidence in contrast to other theories which so far always have left important questions unexplained.
The Assassination:
A short recap of established facts: Olof Palme was killed around 11.20 p.m. on the 28th of February 1986 after he and his wife Lisbeth had left a movie theatre and were walking along Sveavägen. Palme had dismissed the bodyguards from the security police, normally protecting him. Several witnesses saw one man close to the Palme couple after they heard the shot and that man was seen running away. Two suspects, known Palme haters, were found to have been acting in unusual ways in the area before and after the killing. One was arrested 8 days later, the other 3 years later. Some men with walkie-talkies and some policemen were observed acting strangely and heard making suspicious comments in the area before the killing, and these events were explained as ongoing secret police operations or even classified with referral to "security of the nation". Some policemen and security police (SÄPO) agents, known right-wingers or fascists were seen having a meeting shortly after the killing, in which they made Nazi salutes and toasted in champagne to the death of Palme, when the news of his death was still not publicized. One former policeman, then weapons-dealer lived in a flat along the escape route for the killer. Palme was in just over 30 days´ time to leave for a top-level meeting in Moscow where he was expected to form stronger ties to the Soviets. And Palme was hated by Washington since his condemnation of the Christmas bombings of Hanoi, some years earlier, and his friendliness with Soviet and other leaders like Gandhi and Castro. A reward of 50 million S. Kronor ($5mil) was promised for info leading to the conviction of the killer. The weapon was never found, but believed to be a revolver of magnum type.
The investigation:
The police investigation was a catastrophe. Stockholm county’s police commissioner, Hans Holmér, administrator, social democrat, known power player and without police work experience, assumed responsibility of the investigation, with a bodyguard belonging to the ultra-fascist fraction (later convicted of murder and dismemberment). The prosecutors and top security officials were incompetent or cowardly career bureaucrats. The most experienced murder investigators were left out or came into the investigation too late. It was as many real policemen said, "a bloody mess".
The problem was mainly petty career and prestige fights and not using some very good investigators immediately but allowing the power players to take over. And the meddling of some very unsuitable policemen and SÄPO agents, who should never have been in any power position whatsoever. The investigation was soon involving more than 300 policemen directly, plus indirectly of course the rest of the force, but was some years later shrunk to the 30 still trying to make sense of the mess. The investigation inspired the joke "The bad news is that the police are after us, the good news is that it is the Swedish police". Parts of the security police, were very uncooperative and some interesting facts and reports "were lost" or refused access to the investigators.
There was also the question of:
Are some people in high positions sabotaging the investigation?
Are some things too sensitive?
Leads/Suspects:
1. Very soon a suspect was apprehended. He was Viktor Gunnarsson or "Vic Gunnison", a 33 year old Swede, fanatic anticommunist, religious, very intelligent, multilingual, compulsive liar, and "actor" who had spent some time in US and claimed to have contacts with CIA and to have fought in Vietnam. VG was arrested twice and according to police inspector Börje Wingren, who was responsible for that part of the investigation, VG was the killer. Unfortunately VG was released after meddling by higher police officers maneuvering for position and later left Sweden. He was murdered in North Carolina, US in ´94 a short time after revealing he was the one described as the killer in inspector Wingren's book "He killed Olof Palme". (According to American police sources he was either liquidated or killed in a jealousy-drama). VG was definitely seen near the murder site both before and after killing, his looks and clothes tallies with some witnesses´ description of the man seen running away after the fatal shots and he had uttered threats towards Palme. Very little can be ascertained about this person. No alibi.
2. 3 years after the killing, a Christer Pettersson was arrested. CP was a known drug addict and alcoholic several times convicted of violent crimes. CP was identified by, among others, Palme's wife Lisbeth and fits some descriptions. CP was tried ´89 and in the lower court convicted. In the appeals court later same year he was acquitted because of procedure mistakes and a faulty confrontation and because there were much conflicting evidence. Many investigators still hold him as the killer. He had no alibi.
3. Other leads point to PKK, a Kurd organization, Ustasja, a Croat fascist group, South African secret police, BOSS, CIA, or Iranian or Iraqi agents, or Swedish weapons exporter Bofors. Some of these leads are weak and consist more of a theory than actual evidence. Some make more sense as witnesses have identified people staying in Stockholm those days suspected of having links (sic!) with CIA or BOSS. The strongest of above seems to be the South Africa connection.
4. Except for above mentioned two individuals VG and CP, characterized as "lone madmen" and ideal as scapegoats, the one lead with some substance seems to be the so called "police-connection". More than 30 witnesses have given evidence that they before and around the time of the murder saw people, later identified as off-duty policemen or other unknown persons, who were talking into walkie-talkies along the Palme couple’s route from the movie theatre or along the killers escape route. The impression one gets from these witnesses is that the Palme couple was kept under observation and stalked by a small organized group. Comments overheard by the witnesses indicate that the Palmes were the objects. All policemen identified were known right-wingers, fascists, and Palme haters.
?! Some wild theories speculate that Palme arranged his own killing or that his wife and son were behind it. A few claim Palme was mentally insane or a heavy user of cocaine, based on excerpts from alleged comments. These can be dismissed. The rest of the administration might have noticed if that was the case!
Conclusion:
There is a vast material that has never been explained or even investigated. Evidence, a tape, and documents have disappeared, people have died or disappeared, and in general it seems that there have been orders from very high that certain things should not be touched or talked about. From the number of credible witnesses, the strength of their evidence and additional credible reports, the "lone madmen" VG and CP are top of the suspect list, followed by the "police-connection" with possible further connections. There is a wealth of material, statements, reports, and uncorroborated evidence. Simply too much to cover in a short article. Anyone interested can find a lot on internet by a search. In different languages.
The problem with any of the hereto delivered explanations and theories is that they leave too much unexplained. But what happens if we combine two of the leads or even three. If we can do that most of the questions will be explained!
The first leader of the investigation, Hans Holmér, is reported to have stated once "if the truth about the murder of Olof Palme is revealed it will shake the foundations of the nation".
A possible solution 16 years after?
Recap: 1986 on the 28th of February the then prime-minister of Sweden, Olof Palme, was assassinated on Sveavägen in the center of Stockholm. The killer was never found and the only one who was ever brought to trial for it was acquitted.
The biggest mistakes
The investigation was, as mentioned earlier, filled with hair raising mistakes. Among the worst were: Allowing Palme’s wife to set her own rules. She refused to be videotaped during questioning and line-up confrontation and because of being told what to look for; the identification of Pettersson was flawed and later used to acquit CP in the court. She only allowed selected investigators to interrogate her and she was never even called in to try to identify Gunnarsson as the killer.
Other proof of sloppy work was the jettisoning of all established procedures for murder investigations, like the failure to seal off the area, a measure that would have been very easy as it only needed checkpoints on some bridges. (It was done 2 days later!!). No established procedures were followed at the command center at the night of the murder. Chaos!
But the real catastrophe was the higher command’s utter incompetence. What’s the use of having experienced detectives and inspectors if they all the time are misdirected, stopped or sabotaged. For many observers, including investigators, the constant meddling and limitations imposed by politicians and higher police command gave the impression that strong forces were at work to prevent the truth from emerging. Uncorroborated reports say that a former minister of justice, the Paris Ambassador Carl Lidbom once uttered "it would be best if the murder was never solved". Exactly that seemed to be the goal of some. Sweden’s leaders were probably immensely relieved when in´89 the "lone madman" Pettersson was brought to trial. Perfect fall guy, single, drunkard, convict and of no importance whatsoever.
Unsubstantiated reports
A wire was 3 days before the murder sent from Licio Gelli, grand master of the Italian freemason-lodge P2 (Propagande Due), to Philip Guarino, a close confidant to then vice president George Bush with the text "Tell our friend that the Swedish tree will be felled". P2 is linked to terror bombings, kidnapping and murder.
In a radio interview in L.A. ´97 former CIA agent Gene Tatum revealed that a special operations team, Operation Sub-Groups (OSG), created by V.P. George Bush, was behind the murder.
A tip of South African and SÄPO involvement came from the director of Swedish civil defense organization and claimed that an Englishman known to him had this info from MI6. The tape of this disappeared.
American politician, Alan Cranston, is reported to have received a letter from a prisoner in California with allegations that WACL (World anticommunist league) had planned the murder. The letter disappeared en route US ministry and Swedish embassy in Washington.
Many other reports came in to the press or the investigation. Much disappeared and some was explained but usually not convincingly.
Substantiated reports
Craig Williamson, agent from South African BOSS, was definitely in Stockholm the days before and after the murder.
S-A Police Colonel Eugene de Kock gave ´96 evidence in a court in Pretoria that he had first hand knowledge that Craig Williamson organized the murder under "Operation Longreach".
New Theory
One of the two "lone madmen" (or possibly someone closely resembling one of them) perpetrated the murder, organized, manipulated and backed by a combination of fascist organizations (CIA, BOSS and/or P2 and some Swedish police and security agents known for their hate towards Palme and their fascist involvement) and on order from George Bush Sr., then vice president of US. The killer was given the gun and could dispose of it with the help of the back-up team. (Possibly one of the "lone madmen" was instead used as a decoy manipulated to come under suspicion while the real hit man escaped). He was directed to the murder site by the team keeping Palme under surveillance and he was assisted when escaping.
This theory fits most known facts, is reasonably likely, and can be motivated.
Why?
The evidence most strongly point to Pettersson or Gunnarsson being the direct instrument of assassination. (many who have identified on of them can easily have made a mistake and in reality have seen some close look-alike). Both disliked or hated Palme, one for various personal reasons, the other for ideological ones. Gunnarsson is additionally alleged to have strong links to both EAP (fascist European "workers" party) and other right-wing organizations. Very little has emerged on the earlier life of Gunnarsson, but much point to him having some connections with US military/covert agencies. Pettersson being completely irrational, untrustworthy and most often laboring under drug and/or alcohol influence is by far the least likely of the two. He was also acquitted by the appeals court in ´89!
All the reports of policemen and security agents seen in the vicinity point to at least some of these were involved in setting up the final shots. All these people had strong aversion against Palme; many had good contacts with South African or US organizations.
South Africa had very good reasons to hate Palme. Palme was a sworn enemy of the apartheid regime, helped fund ANC and tried to stop weapons deals with the regime. BOSS is also known for other assassinations and some of its people whose names came up during the investigation were undoubtedly in Stockholm at the time or had connections with some of the Swedish policemen.
CIA had the funds needed, had the experience needed and in cooperation with Operations Sub-Group would easily have been able to plan the operation and set it up. CIA had also very good knowledge on how to manipulate people (SEE: The Frank Olson murder) and had access to drugs that could have been used to prepare or brainwash Gunnarsson to perform the deed. CIA would do what George Bush told it to do without question.
George Bush Sr. and Ronald Reagan were those days involved in the Iran-Contras affair (which also had South African ties) which could have been compromised by Palme’s trying to stop the dirty weapons deals. They were fanatical anticommunists and for them to have a very respected statesman like Palme in a modern nation like Sweden start forming closer ties to the Soviet would be a nightmare scenario much worse than the Cuban example. Palme was to USA, since the 70s when he led a big demonstration against the Vietnam war, a marked man. In ´86 the limit was reached!
The chain of command
Bush/Reagan
CIA
BOSS/others
Individuals from Swedish police and SÄPO
Gunnarsson
(With probable direct links between manipulators from CIA and Gunnarsson).
Against this and all other theories except the "lone madman" scenario.
Why hasn’t anybody spilled the beans in the hope of $5 million?
Anyone involved would not be rewarded. Anyone caught would have to be convicted, a very tricky thing indeed when the operation would have been largely performed on a need to know basis.
Finally: How long would any informer live to enjoy those $5 million?
In a few years it will be impossible to indict a murderer even if found. Swedish law sets the time limit to 25 years for murder. Perhaps then some people will talk?
Summary [of September 4th 2002]
The assassination of Olof Palme ended a period when Sweden in many ways acted as the conscience of the world. He tried to keep Sweden outside the ideological conflicts between the two superpowers. He tried to apply the principles of civilized humanity to politics and, though having had to compromise many times, was still a decent politician. He was respected all over the world and to the third world he was one of the few in the west who took their problems and concerns seriously.
Because of this he was hated! By fascists, by anticommunists, by USA and by weapons dealers, including Swedish ones.
Sweden became a poorer country after his death and present day politics whether by Social Democrats or other constellations lost its power and will to criticize evil in the world whichever side perpetrated it.
His murderers will probably never be apprehended and the one who held the gun is already dead. Maybe when some people write their memoirs some more material will emerge or more leads and indications will come to light when official document are declassified.
Nevertheless a full and substantiated explanation of exactly what happened those days around Feb 28th 1986 in Stockholm would be of much value to all of us, maybe most in showing us the dirty doings of professed angels and the sinister danger of fascism.
Full Version: Assassination of Palme - Another 'false-flag' Op
Former CIA deep cover agent Gene "Chip" Tatum:
http://www.leopoldreport.com/Pegasus.html
"Our mission in ´Pegasus´ was to align foreign leaders, foreign financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United States using first diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work, then it was turned over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of
The three arenas that we were professionals at working:
blackmail, intimidation and murder"
This is the unimaginable, hard to understand story of a 25 year CIA deep cover agent, his missions as a professional asset into service of the United States Government under Vice-President, and later President, George Bush. We publish this abbreviated transcript of Gene "Chip" Tatum’s appearance on the Rob Lorei radio show, "Radioactivity" on WMNF, Tampa, Florida, July 1996 of one special reason. 1997 Gene Tatum appearance in Peter Ford’s radio show in KIEV radio in Los Angeles. He told Mr. Ford the same fantastic story, but also in a short passage that his "Hit Team" Pegasus, in the ultra-secret, international G7 run OSG-organization, 1986 on Vice-President George Bush’s command was tasked with eliminating the Swedish Prime minister and United Nations peace mediator Olof Palme.
[You can listen and download this short sequence here.]
Gene Tatum disappeared two years ago now (Dec. 2000) but we hope he still is alive. We believe that he has the key to the Palme murder and therefore we are trying in many different ways to get in contact with him. If anyone reading this know any possible way to reach him, please contact us.
Gene Tatum has high credibility. When George Bush ordered him to "neutralize" Ross Perot, one of Bush’s competitor running for president 1992, he refused and did "the impossible"; just walked away from Pegasus. Later on, the 1996 election, he warned Mr. Perot you can read Tatum’s letter to Perot here. He could do it because he had secret documents and videotapes deposed in six countries on CIA-missions with drug- and gunrunning. But was that enough to keep him alive?
This is Gene Tatum story with his own words interviewed by Rob Lorei.
Anders Leopold
Editor of Leopold Report
The Swedish-American journalist "John Anderson" is back with an increased story of his thoughts about Olof Palme and the Palme murder - including his first article on Leopold Report.
BUT THE HEADLINE IS THE SAME:
George Bush and the CIA behind the assassination of Prime Minister
OLOF PALME
Abbreviated transcript of Gene Tatum’s appearance on the Rob Lorei radio show, "Radio Activity" on WMNF, out of Tampa, Florida.
ROBERT LOREI: Good afternoon. This is “Radio Activity".
I’m Robert Lorei. In the Hillsboro(sp?) County jail right now is a man who says he’s been involved in covert operations since the mid-1970s; that he has knowledge of drug smuggling by employees of the U.S. government; and that he was once assigned the task of assassinating political figures, "including", he says, orders to assassinate Ross Perot in 1992. We’re joined now by Gene Tatum, who’s speaking to us from the Morgan Street jail in Hillsboro County. Gene Tatum, welcome to WMNF.
GENE TATUM: Good afternoon.
RL: Good afternoon. Was I accurate in the introduction?
GT: Yeah, I would say so. I would like to qualify the Ross Perot portion of it. The unit that I was working with is code named "Pegasus". By the time a mission comes to us, we’re ordered to "neutralize". Now we can neutralize in any of three methods: trough intimidation, blackmail, or "termination".
RL: Was it clear what method they were advocating?
GT: They pretty well leave it up to us.
RL: Let’s start with the first thing: you’re in Hillsboro County jail. You’re awaiting sentencing of federal charges. What were the charges?
GT: In 1991, I was approached by a person, who I’d had previous dealings with, to manage a golf course for the federal government. I guess it had gone into receivership and the bank had gone under, and the FDIC had taken that property over, in Hutchin(?), Florida. I managed the property. I guess I stayed at the property for about nine months. But through the management portion… I think early in the program (if anyone heard "Democracy Now"), I had to chuckle a little bit because the CEO of Bell Industries talked about government contracts and the difficulty in dealing with the government. One of the prime difficulties is getting the government to pay their bills on time. I was there four month and they hadn’t paid a bill yet. So I began taking the monies out of the cash register - paying the bills on behalf of the government, that the government had accrued to small contractors, small equipment rental places and so forth, that can’t afford to go unpaid for four months. So what I did is, I began paying them. That was contrary to the contract, so by doing that I "defrauded the government of the use of those funds" - is the way the statement was written.
RL: I see. So instead of sending the money back to Uncle Sam, you were paying the local suppliers, local businesses, that your golf course relied on.
GT: Correct.
RL: And what about pocketing any money: were you convicted of taking any money for your personal use?
GT: No. We (Tatum and his wife) weren’t convicted of embezzling at all. We were convicted of what’s called "conspiring to embezzle".
RK: How much money are we talking about?
GT: Of "conspiring to embezzle"? Actually I ended up paying $20,000 of my own money.
RL: I mean, how much money did you divert from cash register to local businesses? What was the amount that you were convicted on?
GT: I think around $40,000.
RL: When does your sentencing come up?
GT: August 28th (1996).
RL: And how much time "could" you spend in prison if your sentence is harsh?
GT: My maximum sentence is 30 years.
RL: Do you feel like this (charge) was in relation for anything that you’ve done in the past?
GT: Absolutely. In 1994 I received a phone call from Oliver North, Felix Rodriguez, and William Colby, telling me to turn over certain documents that I had recorded years ago - "or else," is the way it was put. I refused to do that, knowing that turning those documents over would probably result in the "termination" of me.
RL: "Termination" in the most extreme way?
GT: In the absolutely way.
We moved 2 tons of cocaine
RL: What were these documents that they wanted?
GT: We have (I say "we" because its documents held by the flight crews who were involved in this) documents showing the movement of cocaine, the manufacturing of cocaine, by Oliver North and a company called "Enterprise" that he headed up. We moved, probably, about 2 tons of cocaine out of Nicaragua and Honduras, to Panama, on board military aircraft - being told the whole time that these were "fruits of war" that were confiscated from the Sandinistas. (Its interesting that just recently Costa Rica has issued a "persona non grata" against Oliver North for the trafficking of cocaine. If he shows up in that country, he’ll be arrested).
RL: How do you know cocaine was on board? Did you actually "see" the cocaine?
GT: I was tasked on February 26th, 1958, to fly… I was a Special Operations pilot out of the 160th Aviation Group, Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I was sent to Fort Stuart, Georgia, to infiltrate the MEDEVAC unit and work directly for my handlers, the CIA handlers, which were Amiram Nir and Felix Rodriguez and Oliver North. On February 26th I picked up two passengers, "Buzz" Sawyer and Bill Cooper, and I flew them to a Contra camp, under the MEDEVAC disguise. We had to use MEDEVAC because the Boland Amendment came out in the mid-80s that didn’t allow the United States to participate in any way, other than humanitarian, to support the Contras.
Under the MEDEVAC flag, we would fly many, many - hundreds of hours of - missions: intelligence gathering, delivering arms, and so forth. On this particular day I flew "Buzz" Sawyer and Bill Cooper. And these are the two gentlemen who crashed in 1986 - in October of 1986 - that started the Iran-Contra scandal. I flew them. They were arranging for air drops of arms into Nicaragua. When we "left" the camp, we picked up two coolers, two large, white coolers. (These coolers are the same kind of coolers that, by the way, I delivered to several sites in Arkansas. Large, white coolers, the same as these, weighing about 200 pounds.)
When we landed, after we picked up these particular coolers from a Contra camp and landed in La Mesa, Honduras, to drop off our passengers and to give these coolers to a C-130 bound for Panama, we picked the coolers up out of the aircraft and we dropped one and the seal came loose. The coolers were marked "vaccine". However inside there were over 100 ‘keys’ of cocaine.
RL: What happened to the coolers once you dropped them on the ground? Where did the go?
GT: They got re-sealed real quick after we saw what they were. We gave them to the C-130 pilot. I asked him what his destination was and who intended on passing these off to. He told me that this manifest showed that the coolers went to a "Dr. Harari" in Panama. Now "Dr. Harari" is Mike Harari. He’s a Mossad agent who was assigned to General Manuel Noriega as one of his counselors.
We have video tapes of Mr. North
RL: But the drugs were headed northward, weren’t they? From Nicaragua to the U.S.?
GT: No, they were headed initially to Panama. From Panama they were distributed throughout the United States and to other destinations.
RL: So you had documentation. Does that documentation still exist somewhere?
GT: It does. We also have video tapes of Mr. North and others standing in the middle of a "cocaine kitchen" while the cocaine is being packaged.
RL: And why was Mr. North there?
GT: During the Iran-Contras era there were many camps known as "the North camps". People think that that means they were in the northern part of Nicaragua and Honduras. That’s not true. Those were the camps built by Oliver North. They were built primarily to manufacture drugs.
RL: So tell us more about these Oliver North "camps". It seems pretty hard to imagine that Oliver North, who was a White House aide, had the time to go down and do all this: to set up these camps and to be so involved in what you say is cocaine smuggling when, I think it was the Kerry Commission looked into this, and others, and nobody’s found the hard proof. There have been some witnesses who had come forward to make these allegations in the past. But nobody has come up with a video tape or anything like that.
GT: That’s interesting. And let me qualify that Commissions task: those commissions were tasked with looking at the arms sale and the illegal cover up of information on that. They were not tasked to look into drug activity.
RL: So if these video tapes exist and if the flight records exist, why not just release them and make them public?
GT: Because the video tapes exist showing other people, along with Mr. North. If I were to release those tapes - the 1994 call to me threaten my children. (I have four children, who live with their mom). I will not allow that to happen. I don’t mind exposing Mr. North, Mr. Rodriguez. Mr. Nir can no longer be exposed because I was tasked with eliminating him in 1988.
RL: Okay, let’s talk about that. Amiram Nir is an Israeli intelligence person. And I’m not sure whether he worked for the government or not. Tell me more about Amiram Nir.
GT: He was the Prime Minister of Israel’s primary consultant on terrorism. He was associated with Israeli intelligence. I’m not going to say it was Mossad. It was Israeli intelligence of some sort - because of his knowledge.
And when you say "Mr. North’s time to build these camps". He designated that to General Alvarez of Honduras - he was the army Chief of Staff - and to Enrique Bermudez(sp?), the commander of those North camps. "They" actually built those camps. I think I saw Mr. North one time in Honduras - no, twice. I’m sorry.
RL: So in terms of "taking out" Amiram Nir, what was your role in that?
GT: I was to fly a 4-man team to a southern Mexico town, outside of Morelia. Mr. Nir was involved in an avocado packing plant which, I don’t know if it did or didn’t package avocados, or packaged something else. I was not involved in that. I "was" involved in eliminating him before he could appear before the commissions to testify in 1989.
I flew a 4-man team in. There was a radio beacon put in, with frequency given to us, put on Mr. Nir. We triangulated the position. The 4-man team went to that position to eliminate Mr. Nir. However apparently there were two signals, and one was in an aircraft, a small aircraft. I think it was a Cessna T-210, a small, charter aircraft.
When I fly a mission as a combat helicopter pilot, into foreign country, we normally fly in what’s called "the Archer Mode", which is an armed mode. We would fly an aircraft with full Stingers on one side of the pod, and we would fly a, about a one-quarter to one-third charged missiles on the right side of the aircraft, so that we could scare away base aircraft based in the country that we were in, rather than shoot them down. We would rather scare them away than shoot them down. Unfortunately, this missile, the proximity missile that I fired, took down the aircraft and killed two people on board.
He was prepared to implicate the Vice-President
RL: And one of them was Amiram Nir?
GT: That’s correct.
RL: The shoot-down took place at a time when the Iran-Contra scandal was on the front pages of Americas newspapers, right?
GT: That’s right.
RL: So what’s your theory about why your superiors wanted him "taken out"?
GT: I believe that he could have provided embarrassing information about the involvement of Mr. Harari, directly linking, probably, Israel, to the manufacturing and trafficking of cocaine. I believe that he could implicate the Vice-President of the United States, George Bush, in the trafficking of cocaine. And I believe he could implicate several others, including Mr. North. And I believe that he was prepared to implicate them.
RL: Who ordered you to "take out" Amiram Nir?
GT: It came through Major Rodriguez, who actually ended up being Felix Rodriguez. Most of the orders that we would receive would come through that particular mode. Now this, you have to understand, was after Iran-Contra. So the order came from Rodriguez, but it was actually from George Bush.
RL: Now how do you know it was from George Bush?
GT: Because I spoke to Mr. Bush concerning it.
RL: And how did you speak to him? Did you speak to him face-to-face?
GT: Via land line.
RL: And what did he tell you?
GT: He explained to me that Mr. Nir was a threat, that he was trying to expose the movement and the trafficking, and that needed to be "taken out". And he told me to pick up my Archer Team, relocate to El Salvador, that tactical fuel (unclear) and tactical beacons would be set up. I was to move my aircraft to those beacons for re-fueling, and eliminate Mr. Nir.
RL: Now what was your frame of mind, as…
GT: Let me qualify that: I was also told that this was an approved mission by the Mossad and that it was primarily for the Mossad that we were doing this.
RL: So the Mossad viewed Amiram Nir as a renegade agent, and they wanted him "taken out" as well.
GT: That’s the understanding that was given to me, yes.
RL: What was your frame of mind? Did you have any compunction about carrying out the killing if people?
GT: No. Let me qualify how many people I’ve had to kill in my life: within 5 feet of me, probably about 30; within 200 feet, about 80, and beyond that, I don’t know, because - probably thousands, with missiles and so forth.
RL: So you were pretty gung-ho, U.S. Military.
GT: Absolutely.
RL: I mean, you followed orders. And when somebody said, "Do this", you did it. Because you believe in your country and you believed in what your leaders were telling you.
GT: That’s correct.
RL: Let’s back up for just a moment, and talk about the very first covert operation that you say you were involved in. You were involved in Southeast Asia, in a covert operation, during the Vietnam War. Tell us about that covert operation.
(CN as was behind this transcript in a note: Tatum told how he joined the Air Force in the late ´60s/70s´, was trained as a traffic controller, and went on to advanced schooling: Army jump school; escape and evasion school, with jungle training; sea survival school; diving school. He said he was sent to temporary duty into Thailand to help set up a communications center. Task Force Alpha, a large intelligence force, was also there. Tatum said he was then "volunteered" into an assignment which apparently is how he got involved with covert operations. From there, according to Tatum, he worked with successive White House administrations.)
GT: Our missions in "Pegasus" was to align foreign leaders, foreign financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United States, using first diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work, then it was turned over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of the three arenas that we were professionals at working at. (CN: i.e., blackmail, intimidation, and murder).
RL: Let’s talk about this "Operation Pegasus". How old is Pegasus?
GT: I’m told, by various intelligence sources around the world, that Pegasus is an operation that’s been in place since probably the ´50s. It was originally designed to spy on spies. In other words, to look at the CIA and the National Security Agency to see who is loyal, who is doing what. (CN: Tatum’s info on Pegasus is corroborated by Trenton Parker, who appeared on Tom Valentine’s "Radio Free America" show 1993. Parker has talked about this "Pegasus" unit, saying that it was secretly set up by Harry Truman to keep an eye on the CIA). And that "was" a portion of Pegasus’s duties; there was a section… "My" duties included simply flying - "fancy taxi driver", I should put it, sometimes armed.
RL: Let’s talk about some of the other people that you say you’ve killed. You say you were ordered to assassinate several people. We talked about Amiram Nir. You say you were ordered to assassinate the president of a Third World country. Who was that?
GT: Neutralize.
RL: Okay, neutralize. I’m sorry.
GT: We chose intimidation in that. In 1989, the United States was working in the Nicaraguan arena very heavily, to get free elections in place. Daniel Ortega would not allow the free elections. After the negotiations and the diplomacy failed, Ortega was given to us. We decided that we would try to align him. Because of his position it would be a little too much to go in and assassinate him. The way we decided to align him is, we chose a second cousin of Mr. Ortega. Our diplomats went to Mr. Ortega. We told him that we intended on assassinating that cousin. We told him on what "day" we would assassinate that cousin and "how" we would assassinate that cousin, and told him to protect him as best he could - ´cause he would be next. On that day, in that mode, we assassinated his cousin.
RL: What was the name of this person?
GT: I have no idea. I only flew the 4-man team in.
RL: How was the assassination accomplished?
GT: Rocket fire. In the home.
RL: In what way? Was that in Managua?
GT: Outside of Managua.
RL: And how did you determine that this person… Did somebody tell you that this person would be the way to get to Daniel Ortega?
GT: We carry information files. Another part of what Pegasus has done through the years is, they’ve also spied on political leaders and financiers around the world. And there’s huge database on everyone. If, during our active time, a member of Pegasus was intimidated or placed before a Senate committee or something like that, they could simply pull out this file and intimidate that politician into backing off. And that "was" done.
RL: I’m wondering, as you tell this: Could you prove to anybody that you were actually involved in this assassination of the cousin of Ortega? Do you have anything physical that you could bring to the world, to say: "Here’s my proof that we did it?"
GT: Other than a few photographs, no.
RL: I guess this sounds pretty amazing. But also, I think that its hard to document. If we were to say, "Gene Tatum: "How could you prove to us that you actually were flying along and ´took out´ Amiram Nir? Is there any way you could prove that?
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GT: Yes. In 1958, after finding what I did on my aircraft on that February 26th mission, and 50 or so missions after that, I had decided to start planning for my retirement.
And I understood what happened to most "assets" after they became a liability. So I started planning, and documenting. In addition to the planning and documenting, my flight crews would carry small video cameras. The medic would carry a video camera in his medic bag on many occasions. My crew chief would video any air attacks that we hade accomplished. So yes, we have some proof.
RL: So you’ve got video tapes of that.
GT: Absolutely.
RL: In 1992, you were still involved with Pegasus, you hadn’t left that operation by then, and you were ordered to neutralize Ross Perot. Is that correct?
GT: At a meeting in southeast Florida, at the home of a prominent political leader (and I choose not to use his name at this time), that political leader tasked me with eliminating the leader of a new party which, in his own words, "could tear apart the Constitution of the United States".
RL: Why won’t you tell us the name of this political leader?
GT: Because its not worth what repercussions can come back on my family, to involve him. He’s bigger than the President, believe it or not.
RL: He’s bigger than the President. Who could be bigger than the President?
GT: There are several people in this country who are bigger than the President, Rob. And I would rather not delve into that section of it right now.
RL: Okay. So what was your understanding that you should do about Ross Perot when you get this order? And why would you take orders from this person if this person was not part of the … Was this person part of the government in 1992?
GT: Yes, he was.
RL: What was your understanding that you ought to do, in regard to Ross Perot?
GT: We were told to neutralize him. But I believe that, there again, having the ability to choose how we would do that. One way we worked in the past was by blackmail. And had I gone forward with it (however I didn’t), I probably would have used that method. We used a drug, made in Columbia (let me see if I can remember the name of it), "Escopalamina" (sp?). They call it "the voodoo drug", which puts a person completely under your control. I mean "completely" under your control. You can have them do anything that you would want them to do. You could video tape the actions of that person, and then you could hold that video tape as blackmail against them. And they would never remember what they did or who had them under their control. Its a very powerful drug and we used it on several occasions.
RL: And tell me about one of those occasions. How was it used?
GT: One of the people we used that drug on was… Gee. He was one of the Contra leaders… I think his name was Adolfo Calero (sp?). We used it on him to keep him in line, because he wanted… Enrique Bermudez, along with Adolfo Calero, wanted political positions in Nicaragua when the Chamorro government took its place, replacing Ortega. Bermudez we couldn’t align. So we eliminated him.
RL: You mean "you" were responsible for his killing.
GT: That’s correct. I didn’t directly. A 4-man team was flown in, outside Managua, and killed him. However Calero we were able to blackmail, using this drug. We took Calero. We put him in a hotel room with another man. We put them into (sex) acts together, and filmed it. Now they have a high-ranking official in the Chamorro Nicaraguan government under their control.
RL: You have been handed lots of assignments over the years and you always took part in them - including the killing of people. But this assignment, to neutralize Ross Perot, you backed away from and you quit Pegasus. Why?
GT: In 1989 I backed away from my first assignment to "take someone out".
RL: What was the assignment?
GT: That was an assignment to "take out" a man who helped fund some of the Nicaraguan aircraft, a man by the name William Kennedy, who’s now in Lompaw(?) Prison. I will not participate in assassinations of any sort, character assassination or anything, of American citizens. That, to me, is not furthering the cause of America.
(Tatum then discussed a video tape). It shows other political leaders involved, and financial leaders from the world. Its a video tape of particular meetings, where assignments were given, including assignments against that (sic) financial leaders. And I won’t give you the names of those, but its enough to keep anyone alive that "I" want to keep alive.
RL: So can you tell us whether or not George Bush or anybody of that stature is in these video tapes?
GT: Yes, he is.
RL: When you told these folks that you weren’t going to carry out this mission against Ross Perot, what was their response?
GT: Director Colby told me that you can’t just walk away from black operations. That’s when I pulled the tapes out of my briefcase and I said: "I understand that, Mr. Colby. However, I’m walking away." And I gave him a copy of the tapes and told him what the repercussions would be.
RL: Did you contact Ross Perot, subsequent to your quitting Pegasus?
GT: Yes, Mr. Perot was advised. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago, I interviewed with Texas News (I think that’s CBS out of Dallas) concerning a copy of the letter, that they hade been able to get from the Perot people.
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RL: And what did Mr. Perot have to say about what you told him? About this effort to neutralize him?
GT: I believe that he went public with that, in 1992. He made the allegation, to the public that this was happening. I think a lot of people pooh-poohed it. But he was serious.
RL: I think a lot of people were skeptical. Did you contact Ross Perot in 1992?
GT: Yes.
RL: And you told him that there was going to be this effort to neutralize him.
GT: Yes.
RL: Do you have any proof that people told you to neutralize Ross Perot? Do you have any video or were there any written orders?
GT: We have a tape. A cassette tape.
End of interview and the transcription.
But not the story about Gene Tatum. When he resigned his OSG/Pegasus command, he had volunteered to plead guilty on a felony charge in order to discredit himself. This was part of Tatum’s strategy of survival, as he was aware that one didn’t resign this particular team and remain alive for long. The fact that he had collected a body of evidence (including video and audio tapes and other related documentation) as "life insurance" - deposed in six countries - gave muscle to his negotiation. At the time he had not planned to reveal any of the details that he has now provided. In the event, his offer was taken up and he served a prison sentence of just one year. However, having served his sentence-thus complying with his part of the agreement-both Tatum and his wife Nancy were subsequently arrested and charged with another misdemeanor. Tatum got angry. He started to publish much of his story in two books, "The Tatum Chronicles".
We publish this story on Leopold Report because we believe that Mr. Tatum has the key to the Palme murder. He and his wife disappeared from their home in Florida two years ago. Anyone who knows a possible way to get in contact with Gene Tatum, please mail us!
Editor of Leopold Report
Anders Leopold
Gene Tatum’s warning-letter to Ross Perot
April 2, 1996
Mr. Ross Perot
12377 Merit Drive, Suite 1700
Dallas, Texas 75251
Dear Mr. Perot:
As you prepare your part for the 1996 election, there is a matter of grave importance of which you should be aware.
In 1992, as the commander of a Black Operations Unit called Pegasus, I was ordered to neutralize you. Our unit was directed by President George Bush. It was determined, at some point, that the party you formed was counter to the American system of democracy. In his attempt to justify your neutralization, Mr. Bush expressed not only his concerns of the existence of your party and the threat which you posed to free America, but also the positions of other U.S. and world leaders.
I had been associated with Pegasus since its creation in 1985. The original mission of our unit was to align world leaders and financiers with the United States. I was personally responsible for the naturalization of one Mossad agent, an army Chief of Staff of a foreign government, a rebel leader, and the president of a foreign government.
However, all of these missions were directed toward enemies of the United States as determined by our President. And because of this, I did not hesitate to successfully neutralize these enemies.
The order to neutralize you, however, went against all that I believed in. It was obvious to me that his order was predicated on a desire to remain as President rather than a matter of enemy alignment. I refused the order. I further advised the President and others that if you or members of your organization or family were threatened or harmed in any way, I would cause information, which includes certain documents, to be disseminated from their six locations in various areas of the world, to various media and political destinations. I walked away from Special Operations that day with the knowledge that you don't just quit! I felt, however, that the time capsules protected my interests.
In September of 1994, I received a telephone call demanding the information "or else"! It was obvious from the day that I walked out of Pegasus that to turn this information over would be terminal. In the spring of 1995, I was arrested by the FBI for wire fraud. Although innocent of the allegations, I found it necessary to plead guilty in an attempt to tarnish my credibility. It was my opinion, as I expressed it to Rodriguez when he called and threatened me, that if I were of questionable credibility, the documents, if ever made public, may not stand on their merits.
With this arrest, I seized upon the opportunity to effect this theory. I have since been indicted on a second fraud charge, this time involving my wife. I will not allow this prosecution of my family. I have notified the authorities that I intend to put my case to a jury. While awaiting the trial, I wrote a book involving my first experience in the Special Operations arena. Since then, I have found that the U.S. Marshals have instructed the Hillsborough County jail to hold me, regardless of the outcome of the instant trial charge.
The new charge is treason. For over twenty years I have dedicated my skills, time, and health to my country. I have been shot, tortured, and beaten, fighting to protect our right to form and run our government as determined by the Constitution. I am not aware of an active Pegasus unit. I had assumed it was disbanded with the new President. I am suspect to the existence of some organization, however due to my present situation. Someone had to orchestrate this. So, be aware and alert! Good luck and good fortune in 1996.
Sincerely,
Dois Gene Tatum
1301 N. Morgan St.
Tampa, Florida 33062
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"Our mission in ´Pegasus´ was to align foreign leaders, foreign financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United States using first diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work, then it was turned over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of
The three arenas that we were professionals at working:
blackmail, intimidation and murder"
This is the unimaginable, hard to understand story of a 25 year CIA deep cover agent, his missions as a professional asset into service of the United States Government under Vice-President, and later President, George Bush. We publish this abbreviated transcript of Gene "Chip" Tatum’s appearance on the Rob Lorei radio show, "Radioactivity" on WMNF, Tampa, Florida, July 1996 of one special reason. 1997 Gene Tatum appearance in Peter Ford’s radio show in KIEV radio in Los Angeles. He told Mr. Ford the same fantastic story, but also in a short passage that his "Hit Team" Pegasus, in the ultra-secret, international G7 run OSG-organization, 1986 on Vice-President George Bush’s command was tasked with eliminating the Swedish Prime minister and United Nations peace mediator Olof Palme.
[You can listen and download this short sequence here.]
Gene Tatum disappeared two years ago now (Dec. 2000) but we hope he still is alive. We believe that he has the key to the Palme murder and therefore we are trying in many different ways to get in contact with him. If anyone reading this know any possible way to reach him, please contact us.
Gene Tatum has high credibility. When George Bush ordered him to "neutralize" Ross Perot, one of Bush’s competitor running for president 1992, he refused and did "the impossible"; just walked away from Pegasus. Later on, the 1996 election, he warned Mr. Perot you can read Tatum’s letter to Perot here. He could do it because he had secret documents and videotapes deposed in six countries on CIA-missions with drug- and gunrunning. But was that enough to keep him alive?
This is Gene Tatum story with his own words interviewed by Rob Lorei.
Anders Leopold
Editor of Leopold Report
The Swedish-American journalist "John Anderson" is back with an increased story of his thoughts about Olof Palme and the Palme murder - including his first article on Leopold Report.
BUT THE HEADLINE IS THE SAME:
George Bush and the CIA behind the assassination of Prime Minister
OLOF PALME
Abbreviated transcript of Gene Tatum’s appearance on the Rob Lorei radio show, "Radio Activity" on WMNF, out of Tampa, Florida.
ROBERT LOREI: Good afternoon. This is “Radio Activity".
I’m Robert Lorei. In the Hillsboro(sp?) County jail right now is a man who says he’s been involved in covert operations since the mid-1970s; that he has knowledge of drug smuggling by employees of the U.S. government; and that he was once assigned the task of assassinating political figures, "including", he says, orders to assassinate Ross Perot in 1992. We’re joined now by Gene Tatum, who’s speaking to us from the Morgan Street jail in Hillsboro County. Gene Tatum, welcome to WMNF.
GENE TATUM: Good afternoon.
RL: Good afternoon. Was I accurate in the introduction?
GT: Yeah, I would say so. I would like to qualify the Ross Perot portion of it. The unit that I was working with is code named "Pegasus". By the time a mission comes to us, we’re ordered to "neutralize". Now we can neutralize in any of three methods: trough intimidation, blackmail, or "termination".
RL: Was it clear what method they were advocating?
GT: They pretty well leave it up to us.
RL: Let’s start with the first thing: you’re in Hillsboro County jail. You’re awaiting sentencing of federal charges. What were the charges?
GT: In 1991, I was approached by a person, who I’d had previous dealings with, to manage a golf course for the federal government. I guess it had gone into receivership and the bank had gone under, and the FDIC had taken that property over, in Hutchin(?), Florida. I managed the property. I guess I stayed at the property for about nine months. But through the management portion… I think early in the program (if anyone heard "Democracy Now"), I had to chuckle a little bit because the CEO of Bell Industries talked about government contracts and the difficulty in dealing with the government. One of the prime difficulties is getting the government to pay their bills on time. I was there four month and they hadn’t paid a bill yet. So I began taking the monies out of the cash register - paying the bills on behalf of the government, that the government had accrued to small contractors, small equipment rental places and so forth, that can’t afford to go unpaid for four months. So what I did is, I began paying them. That was contrary to the contract, so by doing that I "defrauded the government of the use of those funds" - is the way the statement was written.
RL: I see. So instead of sending the money back to Uncle Sam, you were paying the local suppliers, local businesses, that your golf course relied on.
GT: Correct.
RL: And what about pocketing any money: were you convicted of taking any money for your personal use?
GT: No. We (Tatum and his wife) weren’t convicted of embezzling at all. We were convicted of what’s called "conspiring to embezzle".
RK: How much money are we talking about?
GT: Of "conspiring to embezzle"? Actually I ended up paying $20,000 of my own money.
RL: I mean, how much money did you divert from cash register to local businesses? What was the amount that you were convicted on?
GT: I think around $40,000.
RL: When does your sentencing come up?
GT: August 28th (1996).
RL: And how much time "could" you spend in prison if your sentence is harsh?
GT: My maximum sentence is 30 years.
RL: Do you feel like this (charge) was in relation for anything that you’ve done in the past?
GT: Absolutely. In 1994 I received a phone call from Oliver North, Felix Rodriguez, and William Colby, telling me to turn over certain documents that I had recorded years ago - "or else," is the way it was put. I refused to do that, knowing that turning those documents over would probably result in the "termination" of me.
RL: "Termination" in the most extreme way?
GT: In the absolutely way.
We moved 2 tons of cocaine
RL: What were these documents that they wanted?
GT: We have (I say "we" because its documents held by the flight crews who were involved in this) documents showing the movement of cocaine, the manufacturing of cocaine, by Oliver North and a company called "Enterprise" that he headed up. We moved, probably, about 2 tons of cocaine out of Nicaragua and Honduras, to Panama, on board military aircraft - being told the whole time that these were "fruits of war" that were confiscated from the Sandinistas. (Its interesting that just recently Costa Rica has issued a "persona non grata" against Oliver North for the trafficking of cocaine. If he shows up in that country, he’ll be arrested).
RL: How do you know cocaine was on board? Did you actually "see" the cocaine?
GT: I was tasked on February 26th, 1958, to fly… I was a Special Operations pilot out of the 160th Aviation Group, Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I was sent to Fort Stuart, Georgia, to infiltrate the MEDEVAC unit and work directly for my handlers, the CIA handlers, which were Amiram Nir and Felix Rodriguez and Oliver North. On February 26th I picked up two passengers, "Buzz" Sawyer and Bill Cooper, and I flew them to a Contra camp, under the MEDEVAC disguise. We had to use MEDEVAC because the Boland Amendment came out in the mid-80s that didn’t allow the United States to participate in any way, other than humanitarian, to support the Contras.
Under the MEDEVAC flag, we would fly many, many - hundreds of hours of - missions: intelligence gathering, delivering arms, and so forth. On this particular day I flew "Buzz" Sawyer and Bill Cooper. And these are the two gentlemen who crashed in 1986 - in October of 1986 - that started the Iran-Contra scandal. I flew them. They were arranging for air drops of arms into Nicaragua. When we "left" the camp, we picked up two coolers, two large, white coolers. (These coolers are the same kind of coolers that, by the way, I delivered to several sites in Arkansas. Large, white coolers, the same as these, weighing about 200 pounds.)
When we landed, after we picked up these particular coolers from a Contra camp and landed in La Mesa, Honduras, to drop off our passengers and to give these coolers to a C-130 bound for Panama, we picked the coolers up out of the aircraft and we dropped one and the seal came loose. The coolers were marked "vaccine". However inside there were over 100 ‘keys’ of cocaine.
RL: What happened to the coolers once you dropped them on the ground? Where did the go?
GT: They got re-sealed real quick after we saw what they were. We gave them to the C-130 pilot. I asked him what his destination was and who intended on passing these off to. He told me that this manifest showed that the coolers went to a "Dr. Harari" in Panama. Now "Dr. Harari" is Mike Harari. He’s a Mossad agent who was assigned to General Manuel Noriega as one of his counselors.
We have video tapes of Mr. North
RL: But the drugs were headed northward, weren’t they? From Nicaragua to the U.S.?
GT: No, they were headed initially to Panama. From Panama they were distributed throughout the United States and to other destinations.
RL: So you had documentation. Does that documentation still exist somewhere?
GT: It does. We also have video tapes of Mr. North and others standing in the middle of a "cocaine kitchen" while the cocaine is being packaged.
RL: And why was Mr. North there?
GT: During the Iran-Contras era there were many camps known as "the North camps". People think that that means they were in the northern part of Nicaragua and Honduras. That’s not true. Those were the camps built by Oliver North. They were built primarily to manufacture drugs.
RL: So tell us more about these Oliver North "camps". It seems pretty hard to imagine that Oliver North, who was a White House aide, had the time to go down and do all this: to set up these camps and to be so involved in what you say is cocaine smuggling when, I think it was the Kerry Commission looked into this, and others, and nobody’s found the hard proof. There have been some witnesses who had come forward to make these allegations in the past. But nobody has come up with a video tape or anything like that.
GT: That’s interesting. And let me qualify that Commissions task: those commissions were tasked with looking at the arms sale and the illegal cover up of information on that. They were not tasked to look into drug activity.
RL: So if these video tapes exist and if the flight records exist, why not just release them and make them public?
GT: Because the video tapes exist showing other people, along with Mr. North. If I were to release those tapes - the 1994 call to me threaten my children. (I have four children, who live with their mom). I will not allow that to happen. I don’t mind exposing Mr. North, Mr. Rodriguez. Mr. Nir can no longer be exposed because I was tasked with eliminating him in 1988.
RL: Okay, let’s talk about that. Amiram Nir is an Israeli intelligence person. And I’m not sure whether he worked for the government or not. Tell me more about Amiram Nir.
GT: He was the Prime Minister of Israel’s primary consultant on terrorism. He was associated with Israeli intelligence. I’m not going to say it was Mossad. It was Israeli intelligence of some sort - because of his knowledge.
And when you say "Mr. North’s time to build these camps". He designated that to General Alvarez of Honduras - he was the army Chief of Staff - and to Enrique Bermudez(sp?), the commander of those North camps. "They" actually built those camps. I think I saw Mr. North one time in Honduras - no, twice. I’m sorry.
RL: So in terms of "taking out" Amiram Nir, what was your role in that?
GT: I was to fly a 4-man team to a southern Mexico town, outside of Morelia. Mr. Nir was involved in an avocado packing plant which, I don’t know if it did or didn’t package avocados, or packaged something else. I was not involved in that. I "was" involved in eliminating him before he could appear before the commissions to testify in 1989.
I flew a 4-man team in. There was a radio beacon put in, with frequency given to us, put on Mr. Nir. We triangulated the position. The 4-man team went to that position to eliminate Mr. Nir. However apparently there were two signals, and one was in an aircraft, a small aircraft. I think it was a Cessna T-210, a small, charter aircraft.
When I fly a mission as a combat helicopter pilot, into foreign country, we normally fly in what’s called "the Archer Mode", which is an armed mode. We would fly an aircraft with full Stingers on one side of the pod, and we would fly a, about a one-quarter to one-third charged missiles on the right side of the aircraft, so that we could scare away base aircraft based in the country that we were in, rather than shoot them down. We would rather scare them away than shoot them down. Unfortunately, this missile, the proximity missile that I fired, took down the aircraft and killed two people on board.
He was prepared to implicate the Vice-President
RL: And one of them was Amiram Nir?
GT: That’s correct.
RL: The shoot-down took place at a time when the Iran-Contra scandal was on the front pages of Americas newspapers, right?
GT: That’s right.
RL: So what’s your theory about why your superiors wanted him "taken out"?
GT: I believe that he could have provided embarrassing information about the involvement of Mr. Harari, directly linking, probably, Israel, to the manufacturing and trafficking of cocaine. I believe that he could implicate the Vice-President of the United States, George Bush, in the trafficking of cocaine. And I believe he could implicate several others, including Mr. North. And I believe that he was prepared to implicate them.
RL: Who ordered you to "take out" Amiram Nir?
GT: It came through Major Rodriguez, who actually ended up being Felix Rodriguez. Most of the orders that we would receive would come through that particular mode. Now this, you have to understand, was after Iran-Contra. So the order came from Rodriguez, but it was actually from George Bush.
RL: Now how do you know it was from George Bush?
GT: Because I spoke to Mr. Bush concerning it.
RL: And how did you speak to him? Did you speak to him face-to-face?
GT: Via land line.
RL: And what did he tell you?
GT: He explained to me that Mr. Nir was a threat, that he was trying to expose the movement and the trafficking, and that needed to be "taken out". And he told me to pick up my Archer Team, relocate to El Salvador, that tactical fuel (unclear) and tactical beacons would be set up. I was to move my aircraft to those beacons for re-fueling, and eliminate Mr. Nir.
RL: Now what was your frame of mind, as…
GT: Let me qualify that: I was also told that this was an approved mission by the Mossad and that it was primarily for the Mossad that we were doing this.
RL: So the Mossad viewed Amiram Nir as a renegade agent, and they wanted him "taken out" as well.
GT: That’s the understanding that was given to me, yes.
RL: What was your frame of mind? Did you have any compunction about carrying out the killing if people?
GT: No. Let me qualify how many people I’ve had to kill in my life: within 5 feet of me, probably about 30; within 200 feet, about 80, and beyond that, I don’t know, because - probably thousands, with missiles and so forth.
RL: So you were pretty gung-ho, U.S. Military.
GT: Absolutely.
RL: I mean, you followed orders. And when somebody said, "Do this", you did it. Because you believe in your country and you believed in what your leaders were telling you.
GT: That’s correct.
RL: Let’s back up for just a moment, and talk about the very first covert operation that you say you were involved in. You were involved in Southeast Asia, in a covert operation, during the Vietnam War. Tell us about that covert operation.
(CN as was behind this transcript in a note: Tatum told how he joined the Air Force in the late ´60s/70s´, was trained as a traffic controller, and went on to advanced schooling: Army jump school; escape and evasion school, with jungle training; sea survival school; diving school. He said he was sent to temporary duty into Thailand to help set up a communications center. Task Force Alpha, a large intelligence force, was also there. Tatum said he was then "volunteered" into an assignment which apparently is how he got involved with covert operations. From there, according to Tatum, he worked with successive White House administrations.)
GT: Our missions in "Pegasus" was to align foreign leaders, foreign financiers, and foreign countries with the policies of the United States, using first diplomacy. If diplomacy did not work, then it was turned over to the Pegasus unit to work in one of the three arenas that we were professionals at working at. (CN: i.e., blackmail, intimidation, and murder).
RL: Let’s talk about this "Operation Pegasus". How old is Pegasus?
GT: I’m told, by various intelligence sources around the world, that Pegasus is an operation that’s been in place since probably the ´50s. It was originally designed to spy on spies. In other words, to look at the CIA and the National Security Agency to see who is loyal, who is doing what. (CN: Tatum’s info on Pegasus is corroborated by Trenton Parker, who appeared on Tom Valentine’s "Radio Free America" show 1993. Parker has talked about this "Pegasus" unit, saying that it was secretly set up by Harry Truman to keep an eye on the CIA). And that "was" a portion of Pegasus’s duties; there was a section… "My" duties included simply flying - "fancy taxi driver", I should put it, sometimes armed.
RL: Let’s talk about some of the other people that you say you’ve killed. You say you were ordered to assassinate several people. We talked about Amiram Nir. You say you were ordered to assassinate the president of a Third World country. Who was that?
GT: Neutralize.
RL: Okay, neutralize. I’m sorry.
GT: We chose intimidation in that. In 1989, the United States was working in the Nicaraguan arena very heavily, to get free elections in place. Daniel Ortega would not allow the free elections. After the negotiations and the diplomacy failed, Ortega was given to us. We decided that we would try to align him. Because of his position it would be a little too much to go in and assassinate him. The way we decided to align him is, we chose a second cousin of Mr. Ortega. Our diplomats went to Mr. Ortega. We told him that we intended on assassinating that cousin. We told him on what "day" we would assassinate that cousin and "how" we would assassinate that cousin, and told him to protect him as best he could - ´cause he would be next. On that day, in that mode, we assassinated his cousin.
RL: What was the name of this person?
GT: I have no idea. I only flew the 4-man team in.
RL: How was the assassination accomplished?
GT: Rocket fire. In the home.
RL: In what way? Was that in Managua?
GT: Outside of Managua.
RL: And how did you determine that this person… Did somebody tell you that this person would be the way to get to Daniel Ortega?
GT: We carry information files. Another part of what Pegasus has done through the years is, they’ve also spied on political leaders and financiers around the world. And there’s huge database on everyone. If, during our active time, a member of Pegasus was intimidated or placed before a Senate committee or something like that, they could simply pull out this file and intimidate that politician into backing off. And that "was" done.
RL: I’m wondering, as you tell this: Could you prove to anybody that you were actually involved in this assassination of the cousin of Ortega? Do you have anything physical that you could bring to the world, to say: "Here’s my proof that we did it?"
GT: Other than a few photographs, no.
RL: I guess this sounds pretty amazing. But also, I think that its hard to document. If we were to say, "Gene Tatum: "How could you prove to us that you actually were flying along and ´took out´ Amiram Nir? Is there any way you could prove that?
I started planning
GT: Yes. In 1958, after finding what I did on my aircraft on that February 26th mission, and 50 or so missions after that, I had decided to start planning for my retirement.
And I understood what happened to most "assets" after they became a liability. So I started planning, and documenting. In addition to the planning and documenting, my flight crews would carry small video cameras. The medic would carry a video camera in his medic bag on many occasions. My crew chief would video any air attacks that we hade accomplished. So yes, we have some proof.
RL: So you’ve got video tapes of that.
GT: Absolutely.
RL: In 1992, you were still involved with Pegasus, you hadn’t left that operation by then, and you were ordered to neutralize Ross Perot. Is that correct?
GT: At a meeting in southeast Florida, at the home of a prominent political leader (and I choose not to use his name at this time), that political leader tasked me with eliminating the leader of a new party which, in his own words, "could tear apart the Constitution of the United States".
RL: Why won’t you tell us the name of this political leader?
GT: Because its not worth what repercussions can come back on my family, to involve him. He’s bigger than the President, believe it or not.
RL: He’s bigger than the President. Who could be bigger than the President?
GT: There are several people in this country who are bigger than the President, Rob. And I would rather not delve into that section of it right now.
RL: Okay. So what was your understanding that you should do about Ross Perot when you get this order? And why would you take orders from this person if this person was not part of the … Was this person part of the government in 1992?
GT: Yes, he was.
RL: What was your understanding that you ought to do, in regard to Ross Perot?
GT: We were told to neutralize him. But I believe that, there again, having the ability to choose how we would do that. One way we worked in the past was by blackmail. And had I gone forward with it (however I didn’t), I probably would have used that method. We used a drug, made in Columbia (let me see if I can remember the name of it), "Escopalamina" (sp?). They call it "the voodoo drug", which puts a person completely under your control. I mean "completely" under your control. You can have them do anything that you would want them to do. You could video tape the actions of that person, and then you could hold that video tape as blackmail against them. And they would never remember what they did or who had them under their control. Its a very powerful drug and we used it on several occasions.
RL: And tell me about one of those occasions. How was it used?
GT: One of the people we used that drug on was… Gee. He was one of the Contra leaders… I think his name was Adolfo Calero (sp?). We used it on him to keep him in line, because he wanted… Enrique Bermudez, along with Adolfo Calero, wanted political positions in Nicaragua when the Chamorro government took its place, replacing Ortega. Bermudez we couldn’t align. So we eliminated him.
RL: You mean "you" were responsible for his killing.
GT: That’s correct. I didn’t directly. A 4-man team was flown in, outside Managua, and killed him. However Calero we were able to blackmail, using this drug. We took Calero. We put him in a hotel room with another man. We put them into (sex) acts together, and filmed it. Now they have a high-ranking official in the Chamorro Nicaraguan government under their control.
RL: You have been handed lots of assignments over the years and you always took part in them - including the killing of people. But this assignment, to neutralize Ross Perot, you backed away from and you quit Pegasus. Why?
GT: In 1989 I backed away from my first assignment to "take someone out".
RL: What was the assignment?
GT: That was an assignment to "take out" a man who helped fund some of the Nicaraguan aircraft, a man by the name William Kennedy, who’s now in Lompaw(?) Prison. I will not participate in assassinations of any sort, character assassination or anything, of American citizens. That, to me, is not furthering the cause of America.
(Tatum then discussed a video tape). It shows other political leaders involved, and financial leaders from the world. Its a video tape of particular meetings, where assignments were given, including assignments against that (sic) financial leaders. And I won’t give you the names of those, but its enough to keep anyone alive that "I" want to keep alive.
RL: So can you tell us whether or not George Bush or anybody of that stature is in these video tapes?
GT: Yes, he is.
RL: When you told these folks that you weren’t going to carry out this mission against Ross Perot, what was their response?
GT: Director Colby told me that you can’t just walk away from black operations. That’s when I pulled the tapes out of my briefcase and I said: "I understand that, Mr. Colby. However, I’m walking away." And I gave him a copy of the tapes and told him what the repercussions would be.
RL: Did you contact Ross Perot, subsequent to your quitting Pegasus?
GT: Yes, Mr. Perot was advised. As a matter of fact, two weeks ago, I interviewed with Texas News (I think that’s CBS out of Dallas) concerning a copy of the letter, that they hade been able to get from the Perot people.
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RL: And what did Mr. Perot have to say about what you told him? About this effort to neutralize him?
GT: I believe that he went public with that, in 1992. He made the allegation, to the public that this was happening. I think a lot of people pooh-poohed it. But he was serious.
RL: I think a lot of people were skeptical. Did you contact Ross Perot in 1992?
GT: Yes.
RL: And you told him that there was going to be this effort to neutralize him.
GT: Yes.
RL: Do you have any proof that people told you to neutralize Ross Perot? Do you have any video or were there any written orders?
GT: We have a tape. A cassette tape.
End of interview and the transcription.
But not the story about Gene Tatum. When he resigned his OSG/Pegasus command, he had volunteered to plead guilty on a felony charge in order to discredit himself. This was part of Tatum’s strategy of survival, as he was aware that one didn’t resign this particular team and remain alive for long. The fact that he had collected a body of evidence (including video and audio tapes and other related documentation) as "life insurance" - deposed in six countries - gave muscle to his negotiation. At the time he had not planned to reveal any of the details that he has now provided. In the event, his offer was taken up and he served a prison sentence of just one year. However, having served his sentence-thus complying with his part of the agreement-both Tatum and his wife Nancy were subsequently arrested and charged with another misdemeanor. Tatum got angry. He started to publish much of his story in two books, "The Tatum Chronicles".
We publish this story on Leopold Report because we believe that Mr. Tatum has the key to the Palme murder. He and his wife disappeared from their home in Florida two years ago. Anyone who knows a possible way to get in contact with Gene Tatum, please mail us!
Editor of Leopold Report
Anders Leopold
Gene Tatum’s warning-letter to Ross Perot
April 2, 1996
Mr. Ross Perot
12377 Merit Drive, Suite 1700
Dallas, Texas 75251
Dear Mr. Perot:
As you prepare your part for the 1996 election, there is a matter of grave importance of which you should be aware.
In 1992, as the commander of a Black Operations Unit called Pegasus, I was ordered to neutralize you. Our unit was directed by President George Bush. It was determined, at some point, that the party you formed was counter to the American system of democracy. In his attempt to justify your neutralization, Mr. Bush expressed not only his concerns of the existence of your party and the threat which you posed to free America, but also the positions of other U.S. and world leaders.
I had been associated with Pegasus since its creation in 1985. The original mission of our unit was to align world leaders and financiers with the United States. I was personally responsible for the naturalization of one Mossad agent, an army Chief of Staff of a foreign government, a rebel leader, and the president of a foreign government.
However, all of these missions were directed toward enemies of the United States as determined by our President. And because of this, I did not hesitate to successfully neutralize these enemies.
The order to neutralize you, however, went against all that I believed in. It was obvious to me that his order was predicated on a desire to remain as President rather than a matter of enemy alignment. I refused the order. I further advised the President and others that if you or members of your organization or family were threatened or harmed in any way, I would cause information, which includes certain documents, to be disseminated from their six locations in various areas of the world, to various media and political destinations. I walked away from Special Operations that day with the knowledge that you don't just quit! I felt, however, that the time capsules protected my interests.
In September of 1994, I received a telephone call demanding the information "or else"! It was obvious from the day that I walked out of Pegasus that to turn this information over would be terminal. In the spring of 1995, I was arrested by the FBI for wire fraud. Although innocent of the allegations, I found it necessary to plead guilty in an attempt to tarnish my credibility. It was my opinion, as I expressed it to Rodriguez when he called and threatened me, that if I were of questionable credibility, the documents, if ever made public, may not stand on their merits.
With this arrest, I seized upon the opportunity to effect this theory. I have since been indicted on a second fraud charge, this time involving my wife. I will not allow this prosecution of my family. I have notified the authorities that I intend to put my case to a jury. While awaiting the trial, I wrote a book involving my first experience in the Special Operations arena. Since then, I have found that the U.S. Marshals have instructed the Hillsborough County jail to hold me, regardless of the outcome of the instant trial charge.
The new charge is treason. For over twenty years I have dedicated my skills, time, and health to my country. I have been shot, tortured, and beaten, fighting to protect our right to form and run our government as determined by the Constitution. I am not aware of an active Pegasus unit. I had assumed it was disbanded with the new President. I am suspect to the existence of some organization, however due to my present situation. Someone had to orchestrate this. So, be aware and alert! Good luck and good fortune in 1996.
Sincerely,
Dois Gene Tatum
1301 N. Morgan St.
Tampa, Florida 33062
http://www.leopoldreport.com/Pegasus.html
NB by me, Peter Lemkin - I don't know if the below new information is that [information] or disinformation. Either way, I don't see how it changes the two posts above.]
CIA attempted to recruit young Olof Palme
Published: 13 Jan 08 11:59 CET
Olof Palme cooperated with officials from the CIA and U.S. Embassy on several occasions early in his career as a student leader and political activist.
Palme Prize to Iranian feminist Ardalan (14 Feb 08)
Foreign ministry double agent fooled Soviet spies (1 Feb 08)
Spy suspect keeps job (5 Jun 07)
A declassified U.S. government document shows that Palme passed information to the American Embassy on communist sympathizers in Sweden in 1950.
According to Dagens Nyheter, the CIA was also actively recruiting the young activist as an agent for the U.S. intelligence service.
Palme went on to become one of the most influential figures in Swedish politics, serving twice as Prime Minister, and as leader of the Social Democratic Party from 1969 until his assassination in 1986.
“Olof Palme’s cooperation with the Americans and the CIA was well known throughout the military intelligence service,” said Ingemar Engman, a former employee in Sweden’s secret military intelligence service IB (Informationbyrån).
Palme’s contacts with the U.S. occurred when he was active in student politics and working to build up a western-leaning international student organization as an alternative to the International Union of Students (IUS).
The IUS was thought to be controlled by the Soviet Union.
In a meeting at the U.S. Embassy in Stockholm following his participation in a Prague conference organized by the IUS in 1950, a 23-year old Palme remembered three of names of fellow Swedes who also attended the conference were thought to be Communist activists at the time: Gunnar Claesson, Gunnar Svantesson and Hans Göran Franck.
Prior to the 1950 meeting at the U.S. Embassy, Palme also had well established contacts with the CIA station chief in Stockholm who wanted to recruit Palme as an agent.
According to a 2003 interview with American political scientist Karen Paget, former CIA agent Tom Farmer explained that he and Palme had a good working relationship. However, upon discovering the CIA’s Stockholm station chief’s interest in recruiting Palme, Farmer thought it was a bad idea and that it would merely offend Palme.
Palme was also actively engaged in helping the Swedish military intelligence services during the same period, giving them information about his trips behind the iron curtain as a student leader in the early 1950s. He was also involved in building up the “Stay Behind” network, a top secret Swedish resistance movement trained to be activated in the case of Soviet occupation.
In December 1950, Palme organized a conference in Stockholm which led to the creation of the International Students Conference. The CIA, which was secretly funding the organization, wanted Palme to lead ISC. Palme was more interested in pursuing a career with the Swedish Foreign Ministry, although he was a member of the organization during the ISC’s early years.
Palme’s contacts were generally seen as positive, according to former Swedish intelligence official Engman.
“It was an additional secret channel to the Americans. But Palme was no CIA agent. If anything, his own interests and convictions coincided with American intelligence strategies during those years,” said Engman.
However, according to Palme’s son Mårten Palme, his father was disappointed by the CIA’s involvement in the ISC.
“It’s accurate to say that Olof was inspired early on by American ideals. Not the least when it came to his politics. But he told no one of his contacts with American agents in the 1950s, other than that the CIA had infiltrated the ISC and that this disappointed him,” he said.
http://www.thelocal.se/9640/20080113/
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CIA attempted to recruit young Olof Palme
Published: 13 Jan 08 11:59 CET
Olof Palme cooperated with officials from the CIA and U.S. Embassy on several occasions early in his career as a student leader and political activist.
Palme Prize to Iranian feminist Ardalan (14 Feb 08)
Foreign ministry double agent fooled Soviet spies (1 Feb 08)
Spy suspect keeps job (5 Jun 07)
A declassified U.S. government document shows that Palme passed information to the American Embassy on communist sympathizers in Sweden in 1950.
According to Dagens Nyheter, the CIA was also actively recruiting the young activist as an agent for the U.S. intelligence service.
Palme went on to become one of the most influential figures in Swedish politics, serving twice as Prime Minister, and as leader of the Social Democratic Party from 1969 until his assassination in 1986.
“Olof Palme’s cooperation with the Americans and the CIA was well known throughout the military intelligence service,” said Ingemar Engman, a former employee in Sweden’s secret military intelligence service IB (Informationbyrån).
Palme’s contacts with the U.S. occurred when he was active in student politics and working to build up a western-leaning international student organization as an alternative to the International Union of Students (IUS).
The IUS was thought to be controlled by the Soviet Union.
In a meeting at the U.S. Embassy in Stockholm following his participation in a Prague conference organized by the IUS in 1950, a 23-year old Palme remembered three of names of fellow Swedes who also attended the conference were thought to be Communist activists at the time: Gunnar Claesson, Gunnar Svantesson and Hans Göran Franck.
Prior to the 1950 meeting at the U.S. Embassy, Palme also had well established contacts with the CIA station chief in Stockholm who wanted to recruit Palme as an agent.
According to a 2003 interview with American political scientist Karen Paget, former CIA agent Tom Farmer explained that he and Palme had a good working relationship. However, upon discovering the CIA’s Stockholm station chief’s interest in recruiting Palme, Farmer thought it was a bad idea and that it would merely offend Palme.
Palme was also actively engaged in helping the Swedish military intelligence services during the same period, giving them information about his trips behind the iron curtain as a student leader in the early 1950s. He was also involved in building up the “Stay Behind” network, a top secret Swedish resistance movement trained to be activated in the case of Soviet occupation.
In December 1950, Palme organized a conference in Stockholm which led to the creation of the International Students Conference. The CIA, which was secretly funding the organization, wanted Palme to lead ISC. Palme was more interested in pursuing a career with the Swedish Foreign Ministry, although he was a member of the organization during the ISC’s early years.
Palme’s contacts were generally seen as positive, according to former Swedish intelligence official Engman.
“It was an additional secret channel to the Americans. But Palme was no CIA agent. If anything, his own interests and convictions coincided with American intelligence strategies during those years,” said Engman.
However, according to Palme’s son Mårten Palme, his father was disappointed by the CIA’s involvement in the ISC.
“It’s accurate to say that Olof was inspired early on by American ideals. Not the least when it came to his politics. But he told no one of his contacts with American agents in the 1950s, other than that the CIA had infiltrated the ISC and that this disappointed him,” he said.
http://www.thelocal.se/9640/20080113/
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Peter, listening to the short radio interview of Chip Tatum on the Leopold website about the Palme killing was more than a little interesting.
I have the name of the South African intel agent who apparently assassinated Palme stashed away somewhere in my files. I got this from a Sth. African journalist I collaborated with when investigating Project Hammer. Oddly enough this arose entirely separately from my own extensive contacts with Chip years earlier (in fact I had forgotten all about what he said about the Palme assassination until Anders Leopold contacted me some years ago wanting to contact Chip... who didn't want to be contacted btw).
See my post No. 83 below:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...10326&st=75
I suppose that it was an inside joke that Craig Williamson's company was appropriately named for wet work... "Longreach Pty"
PS, the suggestion that the killing was contracted by "Le Cercle" that I touched upon briefly elsewhere, lso continues to strike me as being still highly likely. This wud fit right in with Tatum's G7 angle and also would tie-in the rightist/fascist angle, too.
I have the name of the South African intel agent who apparently assassinated Palme stashed away somewhere in my files. I got this from a Sth. African journalist I collaborated with when investigating Project Hammer. Oddly enough this arose entirely separately from my own extensive contacts with Chip years earlier (in fact I had forgotten all about what he said about the Palme assassination until Anders Leopold contacted me some years ago wanting to contact Chip... who didn't want to be contacted btw).
See my post No. 83 below:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...10326&st=75
I suppose that it was an inside joke that Craig Williamson's company was appropriately named for wet work... "Longreach Pty"
PS, the suggestion that the killing was contracted by "Le Cercle" that I touched upon briefly elsewhere, lso continues to strike me as being still highly likely. This wud fit right in with Tatum's G7 angle and also would tie-in the rightist/fascist angle, too.
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Apr 16 2008, 05:15 PM) 
Peter, listening to the short radio interview of Chip Tatum on the Leopold website about the Palme killing was more than a little interesting.
I have the name of the South African intel agent who apparently assassinated Palme stashed away somewhere in my files. I got this from a Sth. African journalist I collaborated with when investigating Project Hammer. Oddly enough this arose entirely separately from my own extensive contacts with Chip years earlier (in fact I had forgotten all about what he said about the Palme assassination until Anders Leopold contacted me some years ago wanting to contact Chip... who didn't want to be contacted btw).
See my post No. 83 below:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...10326&st=75
I suppose that it was an inside joke that Craig Williamson's company was appropriately named for wet work... "Longreach Pty"
PS, the suggestion that the killing was contracted by "Le Cercle" that I touched upon briefly elsewhere, lso continues to strike me as being still highly likely. This wud fit right in with Tatum's G7 angle and also would tie-in the rightist/fascist angle, too.
I have the name of the South African intel agent who apparently assassinated Palme stashed away somewhere in my files. I got this from a Sth. African journalist I collaborated with when investigating Project Hammer. Oddly enough this arose entirely separately from my own extensive contacts with Chip years earlier (in fact I had forgotten all about what he said about the Palme assassination until Anders Leopold contacted me some years ago wanting to contact Chip... who didn't want to be contacted btw).
See my post No. 83 below:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...10326&st=75
I suppose that it was an inside joke that Craig Williamson's company was appropriately named for wet work... "Longreach Pty"
PS, the suggestion that the killing was contracted by "Le Cercle" that I touched upon briefly elsewhere, lso continues to strike me as being still highly likely. This wud fit right in with Tatum's G7 angle and also would tie-in the rightist/fascist angle, too.
Interesting David. Of course, as you well know, there was a shameless time when Israeli and South African [Apartheid] Intelligence were as close as 'could be' - even working on nuclear projects together - as well as a few wet projects. The US Intel was overseeing and approving both angles. I'm trying to find out what happened to Tatum. He has seemingly disappeared off radar and/or the Planet.
As I recall, Gene Tatum's order to neutralize Perot was written on George Bush stationery. I remember seeing this personal note from Bush to Tatum posted on the web. I didn't think that it was a particularly credible document, which doesn't reflect well on Tatum's story. But that's all I know.
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Apr 16 2008, 06:34 PM)
As I recall, Gene Tatum's order to neutralize Perot was written on George Bush stationery. I remember seeing this personal note from Bush to Tatum posted on the web. I didn't think that it was a particularly credible document, which doesn't reflect well on Tatum's story. But that's all I know.
I well remember all of this too, and notice we have not heard a WORD from Perot since!!. I also remember that his family was threatened, something having to do with the wedding of one of his kids. Daughter? Threats to harm one's family are the most effective. That's why I get so po'd when someone bashes Ted Kennedy. He KNOWS who/what did in Jack, Bobby, and John Jr. And he well remembers that weekend at Marth's Vineyard and the foolish story he was forced to tell on national tv.
As for Tatum, and his wife, I would be very surprised if they are alive.
What an evil planet this is.
Dawn
QUOTE(Dawn Meredith @ Apr 16 2008, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Apr 16 2008, 06:34 PM)
As I recall, Gene Tatum's order to neutralize Perot was written on George Bush stationery. I remember seeing this personal note from Bush to Tatum posted on the web. I didn't think that it was a particularly credible document, which doesn't reflect well on Tatum's story. But that's all I know.
I well remember all of this too, and notice we have not heard a WORD from Perot since!!. I also remember that his family was threatened, something having to do with the wedding of one of his kids. Daughter? Threats to harm one's family are the most effective. That's why I get so po'd when someone bashes Ted Kennedy. He KNOWS who/what did in Jack, Bobby, and John Jr. And he well remembers that weekend at Marth's Vineyard and the foolish story he was forced to tell on national tv.
As for Tatum, and his wife, I would be very surprised if they are alive.
What an evil planet this is.
Dawn
Ron, Dawn, All, I'm not saying I have been able to confirm either Tatum and his Pegasus info, or the veracity of, or information behind, any letter Tatum might or might not have written to Perot.....but several good researchers seem to have 'leaned' on the side of this being much more than legend. That Tatum has sort of disappeared [and might I add someone else who'd likely know of his whereabouts - Wheaton] off radar makes one wonder
.....as there is no reason to go [or have to go] 'underground' if one is only spinning a false
tale - although stranger things have
happened, and sometimes there are wheels within wheels. I bring this up to see
if anyone has any further information on Tatum. As Dawn points out Perot has kept t
just counting his money approximately coincident with the letter.
The research showing Tatum might well kknow something about
Palme has a strong basis, and some others he named, coincidently died. Cui Bono?
QUOTE(Dawn Meredith @ Apr 16 2008, 06:55 PM)
That's why I get so po'd when someone bashes Ted Kennedy. He KNOWS who/what did in Jack, Bobby, and John Jr. And he well remembers that weekend at Marth's Vineyard and the foolish story he was forced to tell on national tv.
What I don't understand is why he stays in government, when he knows what he knows as you say. Does he need the money that bad? Do you continue to hang out with a gang when it's killing your relatives? Why? What does he accomplish by doing it? If I were a Kennedy, I think I could find better company than the U.S. government, given its track record on the family.
QUOTE(Peter Lemkin @ Apr 16 2008, 06:33 PM)
Interesting David. Of course, as you well know, there was a shameless time when Israeli and South African [Apartheid] Intelligence were as close as 'could be' - even working on nuclear projects together - as well as a few wet projects. The US Intel was overseeing and approving both angles. I'm trying to find out what happened to Tatum. He has seemingly disappeared off radar and/or the Planet.
Peter, I agree entirely about the Mossad/South African intel cooperation. I was in contact for several years with a gentleman who knew many of the realities of much that went on in South Africa on a first hand basis. I don't think he would be upset with me if I described him as a killer -- although he was more than that (and really I don't want to upset him). He contacted me after reading my Tatum story and although I have a thick file of documents and tapes he provided over a period of seven years or so, I have never written about him. Not only do I like the guy but I respect him, too. He has a code of honour that shames many. Anyway, his insights covering a wide variety of black operations and other activities in southern Africa by the French, Israeli's, Americans and others are truly fascinating.
I know what happened to Chip btw. After he "disappeared" that is. I continued to be in contact with him from time to time, but then promised I'd leave him to alone to live in peace with his charming wife, Nancy. Like the other gentleman above, I have a thick file of papers and others material Chip provided to demonstrate his bona fides, including paperwork covering his Air America tour in Vietnam. But many other documents/papers far more contemporary to his story -- including his Ross Perot letter and background to that event -- plus some "in-case-of-need- safe-keeping" material I looked after for him. I also have respect for Chip for being a straight-shooter.
But I doubt we'll ever hear from him publicly again.
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Apr 16 2008, 06:34 PM)
As I recall, Gene Tatum's order to neutralize Perot was written on George Bush stationery. I remember seeing this personal note from Bush to Tatum posted on the web. I didn't think that it was a particularly credible document, which doesn't reflect well on Tatum's story. But that's all I know.
Ron, I agree that the George Bush letter was (in my opinion anyway) a phony. You'll never get all the answers from any one spook and they often have a personal agenda they are following - which is what I suspect this was about (but I don't know that). But as I say, I found him to be very straight and someone who wold never duck a question.
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