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James H. Fetzer
9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda

Jim Fetzer

Abstract. During a “Freedom Rally” in recognition of Ron Paul, (R-TX) and in opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth explained why the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement should be more closely linked, since exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars. While a clip of a part of his presentation has been posted on YouTube, here is a summation (with corrections) of his remarks in Washington, D.C., 15 April 2008. When it comes to 9/11, however, Ron Paul himself, alas!, doesn’t have a clue.


We cannot support the troops by “staying the course” when the Commander-in-Chief is marching them over a cliff.
—Jim Fetzer (15 April 2008)

I speak in praise of Ron Paul, who believes in the Constitution and in ending these illegal and immoral wars, which the Bush administration obviously does not.

There is a crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement, because exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars.

We are told not to discuss conspiracy theories, but if 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four planes, outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, and perpetrated these atrocities under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan, then 9/11 involved a conspiracy.

If we can’t talk about conspiracies, we can’t talk about 9/11. Why would this administration want to suppress public discussion of 9/11? To conceal the truth about the war or to conceal the truth about 9/11?

Lies about the War

We were told big lies about the war, including, first, that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. But during a press conference, Bush himself had to admit that Saddam had “nothing” to do with 9/11.

We were told, second, that Saddam was in cahoots with al Qaeda. But several investigations have revealed that not only was Saddam not in cahoots with al Qaeda, but he was actively tracking down its leaders to incarcerate or even kill them.

Moreover, honest generals have told us al Qaeda is not responsible for more than 10% of the opposition to US presence in Iraq and that our presence there is the greatest recruiting tool al Qaeda possesses.

In fact, an admiral—who may face imminent demotion—was quoted in The New York Times (11 April 2008) observing that no more than 40-50 foreign fighters were entering the country each month. How great a threat can that represent?

Political hacks tell us differently. Compare what General William Odom, who is retired, has said, with the words of General David Petraeus, who is not.

Third, we were told that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. But our FBI—our own FBI!—has acknowledged that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of 9/11.

You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.

He said that he opposed the presence of US forces in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina—the two most holy sites in Islam—and our one-sided stance regarding the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

The so-called “confession tape” involves a different “Osama” who does not look the same and has a different voice. It is the product of an intelligence agency.

Lies about 9/11

And we have been told lesser lies about 9/11. You don’t have to have read the books of David Ray Griffin to know these things, but it helps.

At the Twin Towers, the fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt. Jet fuel is primarily kerosene, most of which burned up in those spectacular fireballs. If it could have such effects, our Coleman lanterns and camping stoves would melt when we use them.

The towers were pulverized from the top down. Each floor stands motionless awaiting its destruction. They were turned into very fine dust and the buildings were destroyed to below ground level. There were no “pancakes”.

WTC-7 was destroyed by a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM. All of its floors fell together in a complete, abrupt, and symmetrical collapse in about 6.5 seconds. When it was over, there was a stack of about 7 floors of “pancakes”. Their modes of demolition were quite different.

Earlier, at 4:57 PM, the BBC reported that WTC-7 had collapsed, 23 minutes before the event occurred. If anyone wonders whether there is any collusion between the intelligence agencies, the government, and the mass media, I cannot imagine a better example.

The Pentagon presents many oddities. Pilots for 9/11 Truth has taken the black box data that the National Transportation Safety Board says came from the plane that hit the building and discovered that the data corresponds to a flight with a different approach and altitude than the official account describes.

It was too high at 300 feet to have taken out any lampposts and, one second from the building, it was 100 feet too high to have impacted with it. Such a plane may have swooped over the Pentagon, but it could not have hit it.

Moreover, two lime-green civilian fire trucks were on the scene almost immediately and extinguished the fires in the first 15-20 minutes. The billowing black clouds that were later observed from the Capitol came from a series of enormous dumpsters in front of the building rather than from the building itself. They were a special effect. We are being played for saps.

Apologists for the government insist that there is so little debris at the crash site in Shanksville because the plane crashed into an abandoned mine shaft!

Well, we know what to do with miners trapped in mine shafts: We bring out the heavy equipment and work non-stop in the hope that someone may have miraculously survived. But that was not done in Shanksville.

An Air Force officer who is an expert on plane crashes, Colonel George Nelson (retired), has told me that it looked to him as though someone had taken a bulldozer, dug a trench, filled it with trash, and blown it up!

We are not alone in our concerns with what we have been told by our government about 9/11. Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader are two of the latest to join us. If you want to know why hundreds of military officers, intelligence experts, pilots, scientists, and members of the families of survivors support 9/11 truth, visit Patriots Question 9/11.

Why All These Lies?

According to the Center for Public Integrity, prominent members of the administration made nearly 1,000 lies to induce Americans to support a war in Iraq. These were made by George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and others. Why were they lying to us?

One reason may be because real national security depends upon (a) a sound economy, (cool.gif military strength, and © our moral standing in the world. Bush has vitiated all three. (a) The war alone is estimated to run $1-3 trillion and the nation is bankrupt.

These ongoing rotations are (cool.gif weakening our military and are not sustainable, as general after general has observed. And if you doubt the morality of this practice, view the film “Stop-Loss”.

By launching wars of aggression in violation of international law, the UN Charter, and the US Constitution, combined with the practice of torture, © the US has lost its moral standing in the eyes of the world. Instead of being the most admired and respected of nations, we are now—together with our ally, Israel—the most despised and reviled.

Since our greatest source of security from attack has been our moral standing, for Bush to describe himself as “the security president” is no more than a sick joke.

The Real Reasons for War

Do they want to conceal the real reasons for going to war? There appear to be three: oil, Israel, and ideology.

OIL: It’s easier to steal their oil than it is to find it ourselves. For a war that was supposed to pay for itself, we are shelling out $1 billion a week for gasoline to move our equipment around in Iraq.

I haven’t heard that ExxonMobile is offering to provide that gas for free to support our troops! Where do you suppose those profits are going?

After Dick Cheney’s latest visit to the Middle East, al Maliki rushed to Basra to oversee an attack on the militia forces of al Sadr. Basra is not just the second largest city in Iraq but sits astride the large oil fields in south and eastern Iraq.

Without pacifying the conflict there, ExxonMobile, Shell, BP and other companies will not be comfortable taking oil from that region. I have no doubt that the Bush-Cheney “benchmark” for success in Iraq is that the country has been pacified sufficiently for that purpose. That’s their bottom line.

ISRAEL. Israel has had a long-standing interest in weakening the influence of its political rivals in the region. Before 9/11, Iraq was the most modern and sophisticated among the Arab states, with a fine national health-care system, a strong program of public education, and an excellent infrastructure.

Anyone who wants to appreciate one of the real reasons for 9/11 should think about a clip of cheering Palestinians that played as the towers were being destroyed.

I asked myself, “Is there an enormous large-screen, outdoor television in the West Bank that would enable Palestinians to view these events as they are happening?”

It turns out to be archival footage from 1993 of rejoicing after some students had given an olive branch to Israeli soldiers and thought that peace was “just around the corner”, which just happened to be introduced at the point of maximum revulsion about what we were seeing on the screen.

IDEOLOGY. An influential group known as “Project for the New American Century” has formulated a plan for creating an empire greater than any the world has ever seen.

Now that the US is the only superpower, they advocated moving aggressively into the Middle East to seize control of its oil, support Israel, and exerting influence outward from that geopolitically strategic area.

Those who signed on to its principles included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Eliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, “Scotter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and even Jeb Bush, many of whom assumed powerful positions in the Bush administration.

To get a handle on the “mind set” that drives this conception, which is now being justified as part of the “war on terror”, try reading The Shell Game. It is undemocratic, anti-American, and perverted.

Yet it exerts a powerful grip upon this administration. It is a mind set that must not just be changed but completely destroyed!

When Basra is pacified and that oil is transported, it will be through a series of pipelines that reach the Mediterranean Sea by way of Israel.

“Follow the Money”

The motives for mass murder must have been powerful. What happens when we “follow the money”?

Larry Silverstein took control of the World Trade Center on 24 July 2001 and promptly insured it for $3.5 billion against terrorist attacks. When there were two planes, he claimed “double indemnity” and asked for $7 billion, settling for $4.6. Not bad for a six week’s investment of $114 million.

Security and Exchange Commission records stored in WTC-7 were destroyed when that building was brought down. They not only included documents from the Enron case but many other major investigations of financial and banking interests.

The fines and penalties could have totaled hundreds of millions, even billions. But information necessary to conduct those investigations has now been destroyed.

Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged the day before 9/11 that the Pentagon had lost track of $2.3 trillion. He did that on a Monday, which was very odd for an experienced politician, who would know that reporters would dog him all week and the story would “grow legs”.

Ordinarily, you would wait until Friday with a story like this, hoping that it might be lost among weekend sports and other news. It is as if he knew that something would occur to wipe this from consciousness so he could waltz back into the halls of Congress and ask for hundreds of billions more in defense spending—which is exactly what he did!

Halliburton of course is profiting mightily from $100 billion, no bid, cost-plus contracts, which means that, no matter how much you spend on a project, you can add your profit on top of it.

Dick Cheney still has some 400,000 shares of stock in Halliburton in a not so blind “trust”.

And the gas and oil industry is benefiting immeasurably. Consider the case of Afghanistan as an illustration.

Before 9/11, we negotiated on behalf of Unocal with the Taliban over a pipeline to be built in northern Afghanistan, telling them that if they allowed it, we would bathe them in gold, and if not, we would bathe them in bombs. They didn’t and, after 9/11, we did.

Today that pipeline is under construction, there are two permanent bases ideally positioned to support it, the President of Afghanistan is a former Unocal oil official, and our Ambassador to Afghanistan is another Unocal oil official. This is not rocket science.

Condoleezza Rice asked the Taliban to turn Osama over to the United States for prosecution. They replied that they would do that on the condition that she produce proof that he had been involved. She said she would but never got around to it. She must have more pressing engagements.

What about Israel?

But could Israel have been involved? There are disturbing indications. The five “dancing Israels” were observed on a roof across the Hudson in New Jersey drinking and celebrating as they filmed the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Complaints by neighbors led to their apprehension in a van. The driver told the arresting officer, “We are not your problem. The Palestinians are your problem!” They would be incarcerated for 71 days until an assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft directed that they be released.

They returned to Israel where three of them appeared on Israeli TV and explained they were there to document the destruction of the Twin Towers. Obviously, they could not have done that without knowing the Twin Towers were going to be destroyed.

The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.

The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.

Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?

An especially interesting case is Michael Mukasey, our new Attorney General, who was also the judge on litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies over the events of 9/11.

Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”.

If Israel was involved in 9/11, the American people are entitled to know.

Conflicting Loyalties

I will be accused of anti-Semitism for telling you facts in the public domain. But it is not “anti-Semitic” to criticize the state of Israel, the government of the state of Israel, or the policies and actions of the state of Israel.

Anti-Semitism involves discounting or belittling persons on the basis of their religious orientation or their ethnic origins.

It is not anti-Semitic to object to the expansion of illegal settlements, the starvation and killing of the Palestinian people, or the butchering of a peace activist with a bulldozer! For these gross violations of human rights, we have the government of Israel to thank.

We need laws to keep dual citizens from decision-making and policy-shaping positions in the US government. Who knows whose loyalty they respect?

I call upon those with joint citizenship to resign their positions in the interests of the nation—the United States of America!

If you think that’s “in your face”, consider this. Michael Hayden, our Director of the CIA, like General Petraeus, still wears his uniform. That means he is still in the chain of command and under the control of the President as Commander-in-Chief. We are being played for suckers!

I call upon him to resign his commission or to resign his position!

An Attack on Iran?

We who support Ron Paul want to end this war. They want to expand it.

The last time Cheney visited the Middle East, we attacked Iraq. This time may presage an attack on Iran. A Saudi newspaper has reported that the kingdom has been warned to prepare to cope with “sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards”, the source no doubt Cheney himself.

Estimates of casualties run as high as 1 million dead Iranians and as many as 35 million collateral casualties in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, who will incur cancer as a result of exposure to radioactivity.

If we—or “our ally”, Israel—undertake such an action, it will be the greatest act of mass murder in history, which will inevitably lead to attacks in kind on the US and on Israel, leading to its annihilation.

Those who would attack Iran are betraying this country. As a former Marine Corps officer, I remind commissioned officers of the American military that they not only have an obligation to refuse illegal orders but have the duty to take into custody those who issue them.

Iran is not in Iraq. Our own National Intelligence Estimate concluded that Iran abandoned its development of nuclear weapons in 2003. It has the right to develop nuclear energy.

Even if it had a bomb, Iran could not use it for offensive purposes without committing national suicide. Israel alone has more than 200 nuclear weapons. Did we learn nothing from the Cold War?

I call upon the officers of our armed forces to take into custody those who would direct the commission of further war crimes.

Parting Reflections

Here in Washington, we have a crime syndicate masquerading as an administration.

And Bush is talking about another 9/11, even suggesting its source!
Someone should sit down and ask him how he could possibly know.

I say, Support the Constitution! Stand with Ron Paul! End these wars! Study 9/11!

And remove these liars, cutthroats, and thieves from office!

The Commander-in-Chief is marching our troops off a cliff!

Enough is enough! Enough is enough!


James H. Fetzer is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota, Duluth.

Maggie Hansen
Len should be along shortly.
Ron Ecker
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 04:36 AM) *
You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.


This is the first I have heard of a "first video." I am aware only of an early print interview in which Osama said he had nothing to with 9/11. If there is a video, I would very much like to see it.

Len Colby
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Apr 23 2008, 05:32 AM) *
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 04:36 AM) *
You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.


This is the first I have heard of a "first video." I am aware only of an early print interview in which Osama said he had nothing to with 9/11. If there is a video, I would very much like to see it.


You beat me to it Ron. This was just one of many false or misleading claims in Fetzer’s piece.. OBL denial wasn’t even in a proper interview it was him as quoted by “Taliban officials” who obviously had a vested interest in disassociating him with the attacks

“Notorious international terrorist Osama Bin Laden denies his involvement in the US terrorist acts. The Pakistani Khabrein daily with reference to some Taliban sources quotes him as saying that the terrorist act was committed by some American terrorist group and that he had nothing to do with it.”


http://web.archive.org/web/20010913191943/...9/12/14910.html

The paper quoted bin Laden as saying: "Neither I nor my organisation Al-Qaida is involved in the attacks and the US has traced the attackers within America.

[…]

Ummat quotes bin Laden as saying: "We are against the American system but not the American people. Islam does not allow killing of innocent people, men, women and children even in the event of war."

[…]

The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies.


http://web.archive.org/web/20010929010503/.../sm_410936.html

The Taliban quoted OBL as saying “Islam does not allow killing of innocent people, men, women and children even in the event of war."

But in a 1998 videotaped interview he said

“Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they [Americans and “all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.”] are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ...”


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh.../interview.html

(Hat tip 911 Myths)

QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 04:36 AM) *
The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.

The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.

Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?



I challenge Fetzer to document his claim the above are dual (Israeli-American) citizens. This seems just to be a code to point out that they are Jewish. And not all of them are Bolton is a Lutheran

http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all,event.../transcript.asp

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An especially interesting case is Michael Mukasey, our new Attorney General, who was also the judge on litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies over the events of 9/11.


You’re right good doctor he’s Jewish he obviously can’t be trusted

QUOTE
Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”
.

Can Fetzer source this supposed quote?

Since Fetzer hasn’t seen fit to document any of his BS I don’t see any need to rebut any more of it. His claims that there is a videotape of OBL denying involvement in 9/11 and that John Bolton the Lutheran son of a Baltimore fire man is an Israeli are examples of his scholarship. At least he gave up claiming the passengers could he heard in the cabin in the cockpit tape of flight 93, apparently looking at the transcript was too much effort for Dr “scholar for truth” Fetzer.

Ron Ecker
QUOTE(Len Colby @ Apr 23 2008, 01:20 PM) *
I challenge Fetzer to document his claim the above are dual (Israeli-American) citizens. This seems just to be a code to point out that they are Jewish. And not all of them are Bolton is a Lutheran


I recall it stated in news sources that Zakheim has dual citizenship.

Chertoff's mother was an El Al flight attendant. Assuming she was Israeli, I guess that could give him dual citizenship. I have no idea about the others named.

I just came across this interesting article on Zakheim and 9/11. The writer cites evidence that Flight 175 was a refitted Boeing 767 tanker, equipped with the aircraft guidance system (hence the famous "pod") with which Zakheim was associated, and that Zakheim contracted such refitting of 767s as tankers while at the Pentagon. Comments?

http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html
Mark Stapleton
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 05:36 AM) *
9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda

Jim Fetzer

Abstract. During a “Freedom Rally” in recognition of Ron Paul, (R-TX) and in opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth explained why the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement should be more closely linked, since exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars. While a clip of a part of his presentation has been posted on YouTube, here is a summation (with corrections) of his remarks in Washington, D.C., 15 April 2008. When it comes to 9/11, however, Ron Paul himself, alas!, doesn’t have a clue.


We cannot support the troops by “staying the course” when the Commander-in-Chief is marching them over a cliff.
—Jim Fetzer (15 April 2008)

I speak in praise of Ron Paul, who believes in the Constitution and in ending these illegal and immoral wars, which the Bush administration obviously does not.

There is a crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement, because exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars.

We are told not to discuss conspiracy theories, but if 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four planes, outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, and perpetrated these atrocities under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan, then 9/11 involved a conspiracy.

If we can’t talk about conspiracies, we can’t talk about 9/11. Why would this administration want to suppress public discussion of 9/11? To conceal the truth about the war or to conceal the truth about 9/11?

Lies about the War

We were told big lies about the war, including, first, that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. But during a press conference, Bush himself had to admit that Saddam had “nothing” to do with 9/11.

We were told, second, that Saddam was in cahoots with al Qaeda. But several investigations have revealed that not only was Saddam not in cahoots with al Qaeda, but he was actively tracking down its leaders to incarcerate or even kill them.

Moreover, honest generals have told us al Qaeda is not responsible for more than 10% of the opposition to US presence in Iraq and that our presence there is the greatest recruiting tool al Qaeda possesses.

In fact, an admiral—who may face imminent demotion—was quoted in The New York Times (11 April 2008) observing that no more than 40-50 foreign fighters were entering the country each month. How great a threat can that represent?

Political hacks tell us differently. Compare what General William Odom, who is retired, has said, with the words of General David Petraeus, who is not.

Third, we were told that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. But our FBI—our own FBI!—has acknowledged that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of 9/11.

You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.

He said that he opposed the presence of US forces in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina—the two most holy sites in Islam—and our one-sided stance regarding the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

The so-called “confession tape” involves a different “Osama” who does not look the same and has a different voice. It is the product of an intelligence agency.

Lies about 9/11

And we have been told lesser lies about 9/11. You don’t have to have read the books of David Ray Griffin to know these things, but it helps.

At the Twin Towers, the fires burned neither long enough nor hot enough to cause the steel to weaken, much less melt. Jet fuel is primarily kerosene, most of which burned up in those spectacular fireballs. If it could have such effects, our Coleman lanterns and camping stoves would melt when we use them.

The towers were pulverized from the top down. Each floor stands motionless awaiting its destruction. They were turned into very fine dust and the buildings were destroyed to below ground level. There were no “pancakes”.

WTC-7 was destroyed by a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM. All of its floors fell together in a complete, abrupt, and symmetrical collapse in about 6.5 seconds. When it was over, there was a stack of about 7 floors of “pancakes”. Their modes of demolition were quite different.

Earlier, at 4:57 PM, the BBC reported that WTC-7 had collapsed, 23 minutes before the event occurred. If anyone wonders whether there is any collusion between the intelligence agencies, the government, and the mass media, I cannot imagine a better example.

The Pentagon presents many oddities. Pilots for 9/11 Truth has taken the black box data that the National Transportation Safety Board says came from the plane that hit the building and discovered that the data corresponds to a flight with a different approach and altitude than the official account describes.

It was too high at 300 feet to have taken out any lampposts and, one second from the building, it was 100 feet too high to have impacted with it. Such a plane may have swooped over the Pentagon, but it could not have hit it.

Moreover, two lime-green civilian fire trucks were on the scene almost immediately and extinguished the fires in the first 15-20 minutes. The billowing black clouds that were later observed from the Capitol came from a series of enormous dumpsters in front of the building rather than from the building itself. They were a special effect. We are being played for saps.

Apologists for the government insist that there is so little debris at the crash site in Shanksville because the plane crashed into an abandoned mine shaft!

Well, we know what to do with miners trapped in mine shafts: We bring out the heavy equipment and work non-stop in the hope that someone may have miraculously survived. But that was not done in Shanksville.

An Air Force officer who is an expert on plane crashes, Colonel George Nelson (retired), has told me that it looked to him as though someone had taken a bulldozer, dug a trench, filled it with trash, and blown it up!

We are not alone in our concerns with what we have been told by our government about 9/11. Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader are two of the latest to join us. If you want to know why hundreds of military officers, intelligence experts, pilots, scientists, and members of the families of survivors support 9/11 truth, visit Patriots Question 9/11.

Why All These Lies?

According to the Center for Public Integrity, prominent members of the administration made nearly 1,000 lies to induce Americans to support a war in Iraq. These were made by George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and others. Why were they lying to us?

One reason may be because real national security depends upon (a) a sound economy, (cool.gif military strength, and © our moral standing in the world. Bush has vitiated all three. (a) The war alone is estimated to run $1-3 trillion and the nation is bankrupt.

These ongoing rotations are (cool.gif weakening our military and are not sustainable, as general after general has observed. And if you doubt the morality of this practice, view the film “Stop-Loss”.

By launching wars of aggression in violation of international law, the UN Charter, and the US Constitution, combined with the practice of torture, © the US has lost its moral standing in the eyes of the world. Instead of being the most admired and respected of nations, we are now—together with our ally, Israel—the most despised and reviled.

Since our greatest source of security from attack has been our moral standing, for Bush to describe himself as “the security president” is no more than a sick joke.

The Real Reasons for War

Do they want to conceal the real reasons for going to war? There appear to be three: oil, Israel, and ideology.

OIL: It’s easier to steal their oil than it is to find it ourselves. For a war that was supposed to pay for itself, we are shelling out $1 billion a week for gasoline to move our equipment around in Iraq.

I haven’t heard that ExxonMobile is offering to provide that gas for free to support our troops! Where do you suppose those profits are going?

After Dick Cheney’s latest visit to the Middle East, al Maliki rushed to Basra to oversee an attack on the militia forces of al Sadr. Basra is not just the second largest city in Iraq but sits astride the large oil fields in south and eastern Iraq.

Without pacifying the conflict there, ExxonMobile, Shell, BP and other companies will not be comfortable taking oil from that region. I have no doubt that the Bush-Cheney “benchmark” for success in Iraq is that the country has been pacified sufficiently for that purpose. That’s their bottom line.

ISRAEL. Israel has had a long-standing interest in weakening the influence of its political rivals in the region. Before 9/11, Iraq was the most modern and sophisticated among the Arab states, with a fine national health-care system, a strong program of public education, and an excellent infrastructure.

Anyone who wants to appreciate one of the real reasons for 9/11 should think about a clip of cheering Palestinians that played as the towers were being destroyed.

I asked myself, “Is there an enormous large-screen, outdoor television in the West Bank that would enable Palestinians to view these events as they are happening?”

It turns out to be archival footage from 1993 of rejoicing after some students had given an olive branch to Israeli soldiers and thought that peace was “just around the corner”, which just happened to be introduced at the point of maximum revulsion about what we were seeing on the screen.

IDEOLOGY. An influential group known as “Project for the New American Century” has formulated a plan for creating an empire greater than any the world has ever seen.

Now that the US is the only superpower, they advocated moving aggressively into the Middle East to seize control of its oil, support Israel, and exerting influence outward from that geopolitically strategic area.

Those who signed on to its principles included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Eliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, “Scotter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and even Jeb Bush, many of whom assumed powerful positions in the Bush administration.

To get a handle on the “mind set” that drives this conception, which is now being justified as part of the “war on terror”, try reading The Shell Game. It is undemocratic, anti-American, and perverted.

Yet it exerts a powerful grip upon this administration. It is a mind set that must not just be changed but completely destroyed!

When Basra is pacified and that oil is transported, it will be through a series of pipelines that reach the Mediterranean Sea by way of Israel.

“Follow the Money”

The motives for mass murder must have been powerful. What happens when we “follow the money”?

Larry Silverstein took control of the World Trade Center on 24 July 2001 and promptly insured it for $3.5 billion against terrorist attacks. When there were two planes, he claimed “double indemnity” and asked for $7 billion, settling for $4.6. Not bad for a six week’s investment of $114 million.

Security and Exchange Commission records stored in WTC-7 were destroyed when that building was brought down. They not only included documents from the Enron case but many other major investigations of financial and banking interests.

The fines and penalties could have totaled hundreds of millions, even billions. But information necessary to conduct those investigations has now been destroyed.

Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged the day before 9/11 that the Pentagon had lost track of $2.3 trillion. He did that on a Monday, which was very odd for an experienced politician, who would know that reporters would dog him all week and the story would “grow legs”.

Ordinarily, you would wait until Friday with a story like this, hoping that it might be lost among weekend sports and other news. It is as if he knew that something would occur to wipe this from consciousness so he could waltz back into the halls of Congress and ask for hundreds of billions more in defense spending—which is exactly what he did!

Halliburton of course is profiting mightily from $100 billion, no bid, cost-plus contracts, which means that, no matter how much you spend on a project, you can add your profit on top of it.

Dick Cheney still has some 400,000 shares of stock in Halliburton in a not so blind “trust”.

And the gas and oil industry is benefiting immeasurably. Consider the case of Afghanistan as an illustration.

Before 9/11, we negotiated on behalf of Unocal with the Taliban over a pipeline to be built in northern Afghanistan, telling them that if they allowed it, we would bathe them in gold, and if not, we would bathe them in bombs. They didn’t and, after 9/11, we did.

Today that pipeline is under construction, there are two permanent bases ideally positioned to support it, the President of Afghanistan is a former Unocal oil official, and our Ambassador to Afghanistan is another Unocal oil official. This is not rocket science.

Condoleezza Rice asked the Taliban to turn Osama over to the United States for prosecution. They replied that they would do that on the condition that she produce proof that he had been involved. She said she would but never got around to it. She must have more pressing engagements.

What about Israel?

But could Israel have been involved? There are disturbing indications. The five “dancing Israels” were observed on a roof across the Hudson in New Jersey drinking and celebrating as they filmed the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Complaints by neighbors led to their apprehension in a van. The driver told the arresting officer, “We are not your problem. The Palestinians are your problem!” They would be incarcerated for 71 days until an assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft directed that they be released.

They returned to Israel where three of them appeared on Israeli TV and explained they were there to document the destruction of the Twin Towers. Obviously, they could not have done that without knowing the Twin Towers were going to be destroyed.

The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.

The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.

Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?

An especially interesting case is Michael Mukasey, our new Attorney General, who was also the judge on litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies over the events of 9/11.

Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”.

If Israel was involved in 9/11, the American people are entitled to know.

Conflicting Loyalties

I will be accused of anti-Semitism for telling you facts in the public domain. But it is not “anti-Semitic” to criticize the state of Israel, the government of the state of Israel, or the policies and actions of the state of Israel.

Anti-Semitism involves discounting or belittling persons on the basis of their religious orientation or their ethnic origins.

It is not anti-Semitic to object to the expansion of illegal settlements, the starvation and killing of the Palestinian people, or the butchering of a peace activist with a bulldozer! For these gross violations of human rights, we have the government of Israel to thank.

We need laws to keep dual citizens from decision-making and policy-shaping positions in the US government. Who knows whose loyalty they respect?

I call upon those with joint citizenship to resign their positions in the interests of the nation—the United States of America!

If you think that’s “in your face”, consider this. Michael Hayden, our Director of the CIA, like General Petraeus, still wears his uniform. That means he is still in the chain of command and under the control of the President as Commander-in-Chief. We are being played for suckers!

I call upon him to resign his commission or to resign his position!

An Attack on Iran?

We who support Ron Paul want to end this war. They want to expand it.

The last time Cheney visited the Middle East, we attacked Iraq. This time may presage an attack on Iran. A Saudi newspaper has reported that the kingdom has been warned to prepare to cope with “sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards”, the source no doubt Cheney himself.

Estimates of casualties run as high as 1 million dead Iranians and as many as 35 million collateral casualties in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, who will incur cancer as a result of exposure to radioactivity.

If we—or “our ally”, Israel—undertake such an action, it will be the greatest act of mass murder in history, which will inevitably lead to attacks in kind on the US and on Israel, leading to its annihilation.

Those who would attack Iran are betraying this country. As a former Marine Corps officer, I remind commissioned officers of the American military that they not only have an obligation to refuse illegal orders but have the duty to take into custody those who issue them.

Iran is not in Iraq. Our own National Intelligence Estimate concluded that Iran abandoned its development of nuclear weapons in 2003. It has the right to develop nuclear energy.

Even if it had a bomb, Iran could not use it for offensive purposes without committing national suicide. Israel alone has more than 200 nuclear weapons. Did we learn nothing from the Cold War?

I call upon the officers of our armed forces to take into custody those who would direct the commission of further war crimes.

Parting Reflections

Here in Washington, we have a crime syndicate masquerading as an administration.

And Bush is talking about another 9/11, even suggesting its source!
Someone should sit down and ask him how he could possibly know.

I say, Support the Constitution! Stand with Ron Paul! End these wars! Study 9/11!

And remove these liars, cutthroats, and thieves from office!

The Commander-in-Chief is marching our troops off a cliff!

Enough is enough! Enough is enough!


James H. Fetzer is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota, Duluth.



James,

You might have the notorious nit picker from hell squawking in the background, but it sounds just about spot-on to me.
Len Colby
QUOTE(Mark Stapleton @ Apr 23 2008, 01:14 PM) *
James,

You might have the notorious nit picker from hell squawking in the background,


You’re right Mark I get hung up on meaningless details like evidence and documentation, silly me.

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but it sounds just about spot-on to me.


Can we assume that since you only rarely opine on 9/11 you know little about the subject? If so how valid then is your opinion?

Len Colby
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 23 2008, 02:23 PM) *
Jim Fetzer wrote:

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Earlier, at 4:57 PM, the BBC reported that WTC-7 had collapsed, 23 minutes before the event occurred. If anyone wonders whether there is any collusion between the intelligence agencies, the government, and the mass media, I cannot imagine a better example.


On the specific issue of the BBC reporting of the collapse of WTC-7, I have seen the relevant BBC World footage. The version I saw had no timeclock in vision, but it is possible to "sync up" the broadcast by other ways (eg top of the hour news summaries), and as far as I can tell BBC World did report this event before it actually happened.


The FDNY had been predicting for hours that 7 WTC would collapse due structural damaged it sustained when the North Tower collapsed and due to hours of heavy un combated fire on multiple floors. Numerous people who were there attest to this. The people who say the building wasn’t damaged or heavily involved weren’t there. The only person who claims to have been there who says the building wasn’t that heavily damaged is a cop (Bartmer?) who by his own admission only got there a few minutes before the collapse and only came forward after seeing Loose Change. The BBC transmission presumably came after the FD established a “collapse zone” around the building. This has already been discussed at least twice on this forum.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry118839

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=142987 see posts 25, 32, 35

Funny that ‘truthers’ refuse to deal with this other than to suggest that dozens of firefighters were lying.


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why is there no record of other BBC News outlets, or other 24-hour news organizations such as CNN, reporting this information?


Actually CNN said “"we are getting information now that building 7 is on fire and has collapsed or is about to collapse"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o
James H. Fetzer
The sourced version has many links, including this one:

http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

On WTC-7, check out google video, "This is an orange".

QUOTE(Len Colby @ Apr 23 2008, 02:20 PM) *
QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Apr 23 2008, 05:32 AM) *
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 04:36 AM) *
You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.


This is the first I have heard of a "first video." I am aware only of an early print interview in which Osama said he had nothing to with 9/11. If there is a video, I would very much like to see it.


You beat me to it Ron. This was just one of many false or misleading claims in Fetzer’s piece.. OBL denial wasn’t even in a proper interview it was him as quoted by “Taliban officials” who obviously had a vested interest in disassociating him with the attacks

“Notorious international terrorist Osama Bin Laden denies his involvement in the US terrorist acts. The Pakistani Khabrein daily with reference to some Taliban sources quotes him as saying that the terrorist act was committed by some American terrorist group and that he had nothing to do with it.”


http://web.archive.org/web/20010913191943/...9/12/14910.html

The paper quoted bin Laden as saying: "Neither I nor my organisation Al-Qaida is involved in the attacks and the US has traced the attackers within America.

[…]

Ummat quotes bin Laden as saying: "We are against the American system but not the American people. Islam does not allow killing of innocent people, men, women and children even in the event of war."

[…]

The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies.


http://web.archive.org/web/20010929010503/.../sm_410936.html

The Taliban quoted OBL as saying “Islam does not allow killing of innocent people, men, women and children even in the event of war."

But in a 1998 videotaped interview he said

“Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they [Americans and “all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.”] are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ...”


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh.../interview.html

(Hat tip 911 Myths)

QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 04:36 AM) *
The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.

The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.

Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?



I challenge Fetzer to document his claim the above are dual (Israeli-American) citizens. This seems just to be a code to point out that they are Jewish. And not all of them are Bolton is a Lutheran

http://www.aei.org/events/filter.all,event.../transcript.asp

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An especially interesting case is Michael Mukasey, our new Attorney General, who was also the judge on litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies over the events of 9/11.


You’re right good doctor he’s Jewish he obviously can’t be trusted

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Who runs this country? About two weeks after 9/11, Ariel Sharon said, “We own America, and the Americans know it”
.

Can Fetzer source this supposed quote?

Since Fetzer hasn’t seen fit to document any of his BS I don’t see any need to rebut any more of it. His claims that there is a videotape of OBL denying involvement in 9/11 and that John Bolton the Lutheran son of a Baltimore fire man is an Israeli are examples of his scholarship. At least he gave up claiming the passengers could he heard in the cabin in the cockpit tape of flight 93, apparently looking at the transcript was too much effort for Dr “scholar for truth” Fetzer.

Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 23 2008, 07:23 PM) *
Jim Fetzer wrote:

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WTC-7 was destroyed by a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM. All of its floors fell together in a complete, abrupt, and symmetrical collapse in about 6.5 seconds. When it was over, there was a stack of about 7 floors of “pancakes”. Their modes of demolition were quite different.

Earlier, at 4:57 PM, the BBC reported that WTC-7 had collapsed, 23 minutes before the event occurred. If anyone wonders whether there is any collusion between the intelligence agencies, the government, and the mass media, I cannot imagine a better example.


On the specific issue of the BBC reporting of the collapse of WTC-7, I have seen the relevant BBC World footage. The version I saw had no timeclock in vision, but it is possible to "sync up" the broadcast by other ways (eg top of the hour news summaries), and as far as I can tell BBC World did report this event before it actually happened.

The BBC editorial explanation is here, but leaves some questions unanswered:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html

For me, two important questions are:

i) what was the source of the information BBC World relied upon to broadcast, even with caveats, news of the collapse of WTC-7? Was it agency wire reports? Or a report from a stringer on the ground? Or some other source?

ii) For BBC World to broadcast this information, even with caveats, they must have decided at a senior editorial level that the source was very sound. So why is there no record of other BBC News outlets, or other 24-hour news organizations such as CNN, reporting this information? Indeed, many of the American and European main network channels were broadcasting live largely uninterrupted news on 9/11, so why did only BBC World regard their source as strong enough to broadcast reports of the collapse of WTC-7 before it occurred? And if that source was an agency wire, why can't they simply provide that specific wire report?

BBC Editor Richard Porter writes:
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Our reporter Jane Standley was in New York on the day of the attacks, and like everyone who was there, has the events seared on her mind. I've spoken to her today and unsurprisingly, she doesn't remember minute-by-minute what she said or did - like everybody else that day she was trying to make sense of what she was seeing; what she was being told; and what was being told to her by colleagues in London who were monitoring feeds and wires services.


It's some time since I've seen the footage. I'd welcome clarification on the precise sequence of events. Specifically who first reported the collapse of WTC-7? Was it the on the ground reporter, Jane Standley? Or was the broadcast anchor in the BBC World studio behind his desk?


This was one of the first stories on it, along with the video. I remember seeing a more definitive article on these events, and will try to find it. The BBC reply is rather amazing, and perhaps you know the people involved and/or can contact them or those who worked with them; to help resolve this very important issue. One can see the WTC7 behind the person announcing that it has just collapsed from a studio that was supposed to have a live shot out the windows behind her. Later the 'Borg' claimed it was a blue screen shot taken at another time.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bb...min_advance.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html
Len Colby
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 23 2008, 09:42 PM) *
The sourced version has many links,


Where exactly can the " sourced version" be found? I located you piece on 5 sites (including this one) and in all cases it came sans any citations.


QUOTE


I imagine you provided this link because you are proud of it as a solid case of good documentation on your part. I also imagine you cited it in support of your claim that various Bush administration officials are dual nationals.

So what is your documentation? An essay on an obscure website by an obscure author that like you fails to document his claims. His supposed source of information, a “list that I obtained on the web”. Of course he never provides a link to the supposed list so we have no way of verifying its reliability or even if it really existed. Odd that you didn’t include Kissinger in your essay like he did, I image you realized few people would swallow that. He also listed Robert Zoellick who IIRC isn’t even Jewish.

But I’m used to joke documentation on your part, over at the Yahoo group you cited cannabis.com and Nostradamus sites.

I have a modest proposal for you Jim. Choose the five points from you essay that you think are the best documented, most compelling etc and we’ll see it they stand up to scrutiny.

While you’re at it you can provide a citation indicating the is a videotape of OBL denying responsibility for 9/11 and evidence that John Bolton a Lutheran fireman’s son born in Baltimore is a dual Israeli-American citizen.

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On WTC-7, check out google video, "This is an orange".


That exercise in stupidity has already been delt with on another thread on this forum
Evan Burton
Thanks for that, Jan. I have no background in news / media, but know from experience that (in Australia at least) media reporting can be wildly wrong, especially when it comes to a chaotic situation. Caveats should be given, and sometimes are - but certainly not always.

I still rely on hard evidence for my views on 9/11. To date, no-one has produced any 'smoking gun' or any verifiable evidence that says it was an inside job, it was MIHOP, LIHOP, etc. Did the current US administration take full political advantage of it? Hell, yes. Did they use it as a pretext for further operations in Afghanistan and Iraq? Hell, yes. Are they covering up for failures in the system that day, systemic or individual, accountable or not? Hell, yes. Did they blow up buildings with controlled demolitions or fly unmanned aircraft / missiles into others? Hell, no. The only facet which might hold some truth is that Flight 93 was shot down by US forces in order to stop it attacking a target, and that the Administration now wants to cover up that incident (even though it would have been an understandable action in the chaos of that day).

I'll review my opinions when I see evidence - not people speaking on subjects which they do not have a background in, not professional giving opions on which the overwhelming majority of their professional peers disagree with, not innuendo and fairy tales.

Evidence. Facts.

(end rant)
Christopher Hall
QUOTE(Len Colby @ Apr 24 2008, 01:12 AM) *
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 23 2008, 02:23 PM) *
Jim Fetzer wrote:

QUOTE
Earlier, at 4:57 PM, the BBC reported that WTC-7 had collapsed, 23 minutes before the event occurred. If anyone wonders whether there is any collusion between the intelligence agencies, the government, and the mass media, I cannot imagine a better example.


On the specific issue of the BBC reporting of the collapse of WTC-7, I have seen the relevant BBC World footage. The version I saw had no timeclock in vision, but it is possible to "sync up" the broadcast by other ways (eg top of the hour news summaries), and as far as I can tell BBC World did report this event before it actually happened.


The FDNY had been predicting for hours that 7 WTC would collapse due structural damaged it sustained when the North Tower collapsed and due to hours of heavy un combated fire on multiple floors. Numerous people who were there attest to this. The people who say the building wasn’t damaged or heavily involved weren’t there. The only person who claims to have been there who says the building wasn’t that heavily damaged is a cop (Bartmer?) who by his own admission only got there a few minutes before the collapse and only came forward after seeing Loose Change. The BBC transmission presumably came after the FD established a “collapse zone” around the building. This has already been discussed at least twice on this forum.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry118839

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=142987 see posts 25, 32, 35

Funny that ‘truthers’ refuse to deal with this other than to suggest that dozens of firefighters were lying.


QUOTE
why is there no record of other BBC News outlets, or other 24-hour news organizations such as CNN, reporting this information?


Actually CNN said “"we are getting information now that building 7 is on fire and has collapsed or is about to collapse"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o



Len-

I don't recall what channel I was watching, but I specifically remember that the newsperson said that the FDNY or some other authority said that Bldg 7 was burning and that they expected it to collapse as a result of its structural integrity being compromised.

Shortly thereafter, they said it had, in fact, collapsed.

My beliefs about 911 are based on what I heard and saw that day.
Jack White
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 24 2008, 12:59 PM) *
I want to limit my comments strictly to the mechanics or logistics of the BBC broadcasts.

First, I need to make some personal disclosure. In September 2001, I was in America researching a proposed BBC documentary about Jack Welch, who was retiring from GE. Ultimately, this documentary was not made because of access problems. On 11 September, my recce completed, I was staying at a friend's house in Connecticut, and watched the events of 9/11 unfold on network television. By 12 September, a BBC Money Programme Special, "The Cost of Terror", had been commissioned in London, and I was sent down to New York as the field producer for the US side of the story. Because American airspace was closed, the only people the BBC had on the ground were staff/freelancers already physically on the eastern seaboard. Eventually, a special plane was chartered by UK news organizations, and this flew the "name" reporters/presenters and production staff in from the UK via Canada. The final Money Programme focussed on the experiences of Cantor Fitzgerald staff:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_...mme/1605109.stm

However, I did personally film for 3 days (12-14 September) in the aftermath of the attacks, and I vividly remember seeing and filming Wall Street covered in thick layers of white powder. It was surreal, like a scene from a science fiction movie. End of disclosure.

Now I am a documentary producer/director. I do not, and have not, worked in News. However, there are certain logistical and technical similarities in the process of film and newsgathering.

I see that at around 8 minutes in to this video clip, BBC News 24 also report on air that the Salomon Brothers building has collapsed. This time there is a timeclock in vision showing 21:54, which syncs up fairly well with the already known BBC World report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s...feature=related

This is significant for the following reasons:

i) it means that both BBC News 24 and BBC World have received information that they believe is sufficiently strong to broadcast that the Salomon Brothers building "has collapsed". The caveat in the BBC News 24 piece is "we are being told that...". The BBC World anchor is even stronger, saying just before handing over to Jane Standley: "you may have heard us talking about the Salomon Brothers building collapsing and indeed it has". Given the breaking news context and the fact that "information" was very difficult to verify as these events unfolded, these statements are not particularly heavily caveated by the BBC;

ii) back in 2001, the BBC rolling news channels were regarded as being slower and more cautious in reporting breaking news than their commercial rivals, such as Murdoch's Sky News in the UK. Yet this is clearly a story that is broken first by the two major BBC news channels. With the only problem being that the BBC is breaking news which hasn't actually happened yet;

iii) Jane Standley, the BBC reporter in New York, is some considerable distance from Ground Zero, and clearly does not understand the precise geography of the WTC complex. There is nothing inherently wrong or suspicious about this - the precise names & identity of the various WTC buildings would not have been crucial knowledge for a BBC reporter prior to 9/11. However, WTC-7 is clearly visible still standing some distance behind her shortly after 17:00 US time, and I think it is unlikely that Standley herself is the direct source for the information that WTC-7 has collapsed;

iv) I note in passing that both BBC News 24 and BBC World name the "collapsed" building as the 47-storey "Salomon Brothers building" rather than as WTC-7. This also suggests that both BBC News channels are relying on the same source for their information that the building has collapsed;

v) my initial response was that the BBC were reporting a press agency (eg Reuters, AP) wire. However, such a context is not given onair as the source by either channel. If there was a wire reporting the collapse at this time, then I would expect other news outlets (eg CNN) to report this wire on air (with appropriate caveats). However the CNN report appears at c17:11 (New York time), with the reporter saying "we are getting information that one of the other buildings in the WTC complex, building 7, is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing". The CNN strapline is "Building 7 at WTC on fire, may collapse".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

My best guess is that CNN's source is different from the BBC's, for two main reasons:

a) it is less certain, saying the building is on fire and "may collapse", as compared with the more definitive statement - "has collapsed" - from the BBC;

b it identifies the building as WTC-7 and not as the "Salomon Brothers building".

If it was an agency wire report that led the BBC to state that the building has collapsed, there should - somewhere - be a copy of that wire, but I haven't seen it produced in evidence;

vi) it is highly likely that other BBC New York-based staff - either directly employed or freelance stringers - were on the streets far closer to Ground Zero than Jane Standley. For shorthand reasons, let's call these staff "stringers". Now, stringers would have been feeding information directly into BBC editorial staff. In my experience, stringers are usually outstanding journalists, and if one of these reported the information that the "Salomon Brothers building has collapsed" to a BBC editor or producer, that may have been regarded as strong enough for the BBC to broadcast that information.

NB once again, I am a documentary maker, not a News producer. Presumably, there are specific and detailed internal BBC Newsgathering regulations about how to treat such information. So my suggestion above that stringer information "may" have been been regarded as strong enough to justify broadcast needs checking against any such regulations or guidelines. I suspect that the relevant (ranking) BBC Editor would also have had authority to make journalistic judgements as to the reliability and quality of the source and the information.

However, if we assume for the moment that the information may have come from a BBC stringer on the ground, then we're still left with a problem. That stringer cannot have seen with his or her own eyes the collapse of WTC-7 for the simple reason that the building was still standing. So, any stringer must have been relying on secondhand information passed to him or her. Again, for a stringer to state categorically that WTC-7 "has collapsed", the source of the information would have to be highly credible or the stringer would have - by journalistic convention - caveated the information when passing it on to the BBC. In the latter case, the BBC would surely have preserved that caveat when broadcasting the information - especially since none of the American channels were broadcasting this story at that time;

vii) alternately there may have been another source for the information, eg a private briefing to a well-placed BBC correspondent. In this case, there should be a record of such a briefing within the BBC.

In conclusion, the available evidence suggests the BBC had their own source which told them that WTC-7 had collapsed, and that source was sufficiently strong for them to break the news to the world. Now, mistakes do happen in high pressure rolling news situations, but this was a major one.

I should add that large corporations hate admitting that they've made a mistake. This is especially so when the mistake goes to the very core of that corporation's reputation or brand. The BBC brand stands for accurate and objective news reporting. Clearly, the BBC do seem to have wrongly reported that the Salomon Brothers building had collapsed some twenty-odd minutes before it did in fact collapse. Such a mistake does cut to the credibility of the BBC reputation for accuracy, and such an event is therefore highly embarrassing institutionally to the BBC.


Jan... many thanks for providing this highly relevant insider evaluation regarding an important subject.

Jack
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(Jack White @ Apr 24 2008, 06:10 PM) *
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 24 2008, 12:59 PM) *
I want to limit my comments strictly to the mechanics or logistics of the BBC broadcasts.

First, I need to make some personal disclosure. In September 2001, I was in America researching a proposed BBC documentary about Jack Welch, who was retiring from GE. Ultimately, this documentary was not made because of access problems. On 11 September, my recce completed, I was staying at a friend's house in Connecticut, and watched the events of 9/11 unfold on network television. By 12 September, a BBC Money Programme Special, "The Cost of Terror", had been commissioned in London, and I was sent down to New York as the field producer for the US side of the story. Because American airspace was closed, the only people the BBC had on the ground were staff/freelancers already physically on the eastern seaboard. Eventually, a special plane was chartered by UK news organizations, and this flew the "name" reporters/presenters and production staff in from the UK via Canada. The final Money Programme focussed on the experiences of Cantor Fitzgerald staff:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_...mme/1605109.stm

However, I did personally film for 3 days (12-14 September) in the aftermath of the attacks, and I vividly remember seeing and filming Wall Street covered in thick layers of white powder. It was surreal, like a scene from a science fiction movie. End of disclosure.

Now I am a documentary producer/director. I do not, and have not, worked in News. However, there are certain logistical and technical similarities in the process of film and newsgathering.

I see that at around 8 minutes in to this video clip, BBC News 24 also report on air that the Salomon Brothers building has collapsed. This time there is a timeclock in vision showing 21:54, which syncs up fairly well with the already known BBC World report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s...feature=related

This is significant for the following reasons:

i) it means that both BBC News 24 and BBC World have received information that they believe is sufficiently strong to broadcast that the Salomon Brothers building "has collapsed". The caveat in the BBC News 24 piece is "we are being told that...". The BBC World anchor is even stronger, saying just before handing over to Jane Standley: "you may have heard us talking about the Salomon Brothers building collapsing and indeed it has". Given the breaking news context and the fact that "information" was very difficult to verify as these events unfolded, these statements are not particularly heavily caveated by the BBC;

ii) back in 2001, the BBC rolling news channels were regarded as being slower and more cautious in reporting breaking news than their commercial rivals, such as Murdoch's Sky News in the UK. Yet this is clearly a story that is broken first by the two major BBC news channels. With the only problem being that the BBC is breaking news which hasn't actually happened yet;

iii) Jane Standley, the BBC reporter in New York, is some considerable distance from Ground Zero, and clearly does not understand the precise geography of the WTC complex. There is nothing inherently wrong or suspicious about this - the precise names & identity of the various WTC buildings would not have been crucial knowledge for a BBC reporter prior to 9/11. However, WTC-7 is clearly visible still standing some distance behind her shortly after 17:00 US time, and I think it is unlikely that Standley herself is the direct source for the information that WTC-7 has collapsed;

iv) I note in passing that both BBC News 24 and BBC World name the "collapsed" building as the 47-storey "Salomon Brothers building" rather than as WTC-7. This also suggests that both BBC News channels are relying on the same source for their information that the building has collapsed;

v) my initial response was that the BBC were reporting a press agency (eg Reuters, AP) wire. However, such a context is not given onair as the source by either channel. If there was a wire reporting the collapse at this time, then I would expect other news outlets (eg CNN) to report this wire on air (with appropriate caveats). However the CNN report appears at c17:11 (New York time), with the reporter saying "we are getting information that one of the other buildings in the WTC complex, building 7, is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing". The CNN strapline is "Building 7 at WTC on fire, may collapse".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

My best guess is that CNN's source is different from the BBC's, for two main reasons:

a) it is less certain, saying the building is on fire and "may collapse", as compared with the more definitive statement - "has collapsed" - from the BBC;

b it identifies the building as WTC-7 and not as the "Salomon Brothers building".

If it was an agency wire report that led the BBC to state that the building has collapsed, there should - somewhere - be a copy of that wire, but I haven't seen it produced in evidence;

vi) it is highly likely that other BBC New York-based staff - either directly employed or freelance stringers - were on the streets far closer to Ground Zero than Jane Standley. For shorthand reasons, let's call these staff "stringers". Now, stringers would have been feeding information directly into BBC editorial staff. In my experience, stringers are usually outstanding journalists, and if one of these reported the information that the "Salomon Brothers building has collapsed" to a BBC editor or producer, that may have been regarded as strong enough for the BBC to broadcast that information.

NB once again, I am a documentary maker, not a News producer. Presumably, there are specific and detailed internal BBC Newsgathering regulations about how to treat such information. So my suggestion above that stringer information "may" have been been regarded as strong enough to justify broadcast needs checking against any such regulations or guidelines. I suspect that the relevant (ranking) BBC Editor would also have had authority to make journalistic judgements as to the reliability and quality of the source and the information.

However, if we assume for the moment that the information may have come from a BBC stringer on the ground, then we're still left with a problem. That stringer cannot have seen with his or her own eyes the collapse of WTC-7 for the simple reason that the building was still standing. So, any stringer must have been relying on secondhand information passed to him or her. Again, for a stringer to state categorically that WTC-7 "has collapsed", the source of the information would have to be highly credible or the stringer would have - by journalistic convention - caveated the information when passing it on to the BBC. In the latter case, the BBC would surely have preserved that caveat when broadcasting the information - especially since none of the American channels were broadcasting this story at that time;

vii) alternately there may have been another source for the information, eg a private briefing to a well-placed BBC correspondent. In this case, there should be a record of such a briefing within the BBC.

In conclusion, the available evidence suggests the BBC had their own source which told them that WTC-7 had collapsed, and that source was sufficiently strong for them to break the news to the world. Now, mistakes do happen in high pressure rolling news situations, but this was a major one.

I should add that large corporations hate admitting that they've made a mistake. This is especially so when the mistake goes to the very core of that corporation's reputation or brand. The BBC brand stands for accurate and objective news reporting. Clearly, the BBC do seem to have wrongly reported that the Salomon Brothers building had collapsed some twenty-odd minutes before it did in fact collapse. Such a mistake does cut to the credibility of the BBC reputation for accuracy, and such an event is therefore highly embarrassing institutionally to the BBC.


Jan... many thanks for providing this highly relevant insider evaluation regarding an important subject.

Jack


Far from being a 'negative' on the BBC, it could be looked at as a rather amazing plus, as someone somewhere in it obviously could see into the future....! ph34r.gif So I often keep BBC World Service on - I might just get a 30 minute warning to the end of the world, meteor hitting, or some such. CNN, Fox, and all that crowd only know when (or after) something happens - boring! I even think one could make some good money off of this source in the BBC in the 'futures' market.

Yes, thanks Jan. Have you taken a close look at what the official 'explanation' by the BBC executive was on this?...I find it rather hard to swallow. They basicly say it was a random mistake. A coincidence. No way, Jose!
Len Colby
Jan


For the most part I agree with your analysis but with a few 'caveats' laugh.gif rolleyes.gif


Len

QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 24 2008, 09:59 AM) *
iv) I note in passing that both BBC News 24 and BBC World name the "collapsed" building as the 47-storey "Salomon Brothers building" rather than as WTC-7. This also suggests that both BBC News channels are relying on the same source for their information that the building has collapsed;


Either that or one go their information from the other

QUOTE
v) my initial response was that the BBC were reporting a press agency (eg Reuters, AP) wire. However, such a context is not given onair as the source by either channel. If there was a wire reporting the collapse at this time, then I would expect other news outlets (eg CNN) to report this wire on air (with appropriate caveats). However the CNN report appears at c17:11 (New York time), with the reporter saying "we are getting information that one of the other buildings in the WTC complex, building 7, is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing". The CNN strapline is "Building 7 at WTC on fire, may collapse".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

My best guess is that CNN's source is different from the BBC's, for two main reasons:

a) it is less certain, saying the building is on fire and "may collapse", as compared with the more definitive statement - "has collapsed" - from the BBC;


At the 10 second mark, Aaron Brown says: “We are getting information now that one the other buildings, building 7 in the World Trade Center complex is on fire and either has collapsed or is collapsing”

I assume the ultimate source in both cases was the FDNY. Did you play the gane "telephone" when you were a kid?

FDNY - 'the Solomon Brothers Building is about to collapse, We're establishing a collapse zone around it'

CNN "building 7... either has collapsed or is collapsing”

BBC 'we are know being told the Solomon Brothers building has collapsed'
'we are getting reports the Solomon brothers building has collapsed details are sketchy'

These were hardly the only erroneous reports that day, some media outlets reported that flight 93 crashed near Camp David.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 24 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Len - it is of course possible to over-analyze the choice or use of particular words or phrases, and I suspect that this is particularly so in the case of a breaking news story where newsreaders & reporters are not especially familiar with all the terminology and are reacting to fast-moving events. Having admitted that though, I will highlight some of the language used.

The BBC reports - which precede the CNN report - do seem to use more certain language about the building having collapsed, and I do stress again that the BBC was routinely criticized in the UK for being too cautious and therefore breaking news later than commercial rivals, Sky News. Now, in the video in the link below, right at the beginning, the BBC World anchor says:

QUOTE
"you may have heard us talking about the Salomon Brothers building collapsing and indeed it has".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s...feature=related

Now that may simply be the BBC World anchor overstating the situation. However, given that the BBC mindset is typically to underplay events, it does suggest to me that the offscreen BBC editorial team providing the information for the broadcast were pretty certain that the collapse had indeed happened.

To my eyes, CNN seem to be hedging their bets far more.

We can even compare the straplines, with CNN saying WTC-7 "may collapse" and BBC World saying "the 47 story Salomon Brothers building.... has collapsed" (see 2:21 in the YouTube video above).

CNN video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

I also do consider the different identifier - "47-storey Salomon Brothers building" for both BBC World and BBC News 24, versus "WTC 7" for CNN - as suggestive that the two news organisations may be relying on different sources. NB I don't remember hearing the identifier "WTC 7" used in either BBC report, although I haven't exhaustively transcribed the reports and that may be an error on my part.

I am not saying that this is proof of a conspiracy. It obviously isn't proof of anything. However, it is suggestive of:

- the BBC having a unique source for the claim that WTC-7 had collapsed some twenty minutes before it did;

- that information being shared at a senior editorial level hence its near simultaneous appearance on both BBC World and BBC News 24. This is best practice. However, it should be stated that different bulletins/programmes are encouraged to compete with each other for stories inside the BBC;

- that source being sufficiently strong for the BBC to report as fact the collapse of the Salomon Brothers building.

BBC World Editor Richard Porter's defence (see link below) does not really address the core issue, which is the nature of the source of the information broadcast by both BBC World and BBC News 24. Indeed, he claims not to know what the source of the information was.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html

That source was clearly wrong. However, you are correct to say that this was not the only example of factually incorrect reporting on 9/11.


This all goes toward more evidence that the WT7 was brought down in a contolled demolition [which would have to have been prepared long before the 'attack']. BBC clearly is was not 'in on' the actions involved, but somehow got used or involved. Silverstein knew the building was coming down before it did. The Mayor knew it was coming down before it did. Some other first responders had heard that it was about to come down and someone [and it REALLY would explain A LOT about the WHOLE event to know WHO told the BBC - or the chain of persons or feeds involved]. There were other buildings more damaged and more obviously at risk of collapse. There were hardly any fires in WTC7 and no reason for a reporter or even a fireman to think it was about to collapse [or wrongly report it had] unless someone who knew it was to be brought down by controlled demolition made a slight slip up. They might have only said it 'will' come down and this became it 'has' in the chaos of the day - there are many other possible varients - essential to know which it was. It would not serve either conspirators or non-conspirators [reporters or responders or other officials or emergency persons] to say it HAD collapsed (and even then 'confirm it') when it was not yet 'scheduled' to - nor had. But it is most suggestive of a pre-planned controlled demolition that somehow got out before the pre-planned time. It is very suggestive IMO of the little tidbits of those who knew about Dallas before the fact that the officials try to ignore or debunk. That other mistakes were made that day by many persons in the chaos is not germaine here, and a canard by persons hellbent on stopping any examination of what really happened that day. [covering-up the events and the cover-up]. That the BBC did not try to find the source, and the US Government did not want to find the source [and a whole host of other unexplained and mysterious issues!] is most upsetting, and THERE the BBC may be [albeit a minor] part of the cover-up/conspiracy - not in its original reporting, IMO - where someome [who may have been involved or in the know] fed them the scripted events too early and they only served as an conduit. The importance cannot be overstated, as all three WTC buildings seemed to collapse in the exact same manner and only two were hit by planes. Planes that couldn't have caused their collapse; resultant fires that couldn't have caused their collase and certainly not the manner of the collapse. If one was known to be about to collapse before the fact, all three may have been known to be about to collapse, before they did. That could be advance knowledge of pre-planted explosives or other methods of bringing them down unrelated to the 'attack' and the scenario we are told happened. [i.e. a conspiracy other than the official conspiracy, and a conspiracy to cover-up what really did happen.] In fact, there are hints of many knowing the big towers were to collapse, before anyone 'normal' thought of that horrible possibility. Certainly most of the on the scene [and not part of anything but doing their duty] firemen, police, etc. did not.

The big question for the BBC is why are they not moving heaven and earth to find out how that gaff happened?!?!? How did they loose the tape?!?! My guess is someone very powerful in British Government and/or Intelligence is leaning on them not to find out - or making it impossible for them to. That smells of cover-up and points to many other things we are not being told and are not being investigated. Cui Bono?

Take a look at this timeline of events at the WTC - most enlightening and I think fair to both sides - the issues are complex in spots - but have not been fairly nor fully investigated! There are many entries related to WTC 7 and three on reports related to the BBC and other newsmedia - painting a much more complex picture.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...ld_trade_center
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 25 2008, 11:54 AM) *
I had another thought.

When the summer time clocks change, there is often one week when the time difference between US Eastern Seaboard Time and UK time is six hours, rather than five. So it would be important to check that the time difference on 9/11 really was five hours. NB this syncing up should be easy to do for any researchers who have access to other BBC footage recorded on the day - eg simply check the UK time when the first plane hits.

However, if the visual on screen identification of WTC-7 (see c1:20 in the YouTube clip below) still standing behind Jane Standley is correct, then this summer time five or six hours difference scenario is effectively eliminated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s...feature=related


She was in a NYC studio/building and I'm sure not on GMT. If it is an electronic time signal, BBC is very sophisticated and sends the appropriate local time to its various locations. Time stated is before the event.

Do you Jan have any friends or friends of friends who can ask or push inside the BBC for a REAL explanation and attempt to locate sources and any paperwork that may exist on this?! It could go a long way to breaking this case IMO

[also take a look at the timeline I posted url to, above, very carefully and the links]
James H. Fetzer
Postscript

The BBC broadcast occurred just as I have reported it. You can find it on YouTube, for example, where reporter Jane Stanley is stating that "The Solomon Brothers Building" has collapsed and over her left shoulder you can see WTC-7 in the background. No steel structure high-rise had ever collapsed before due to fire, yet we are supposed to believe that on 9/11 it happened three times!

Significantly, I returned to Madison only to discover a series of recent posts that confirm the themes of my presentation. One was a report of Benjamin Netanyahu telling an audience at Bar Ilan University that the 9/11 terror attacks “were good for Israel”. Netanyahu, by the way, just happens to be a close personal friend of Larry Silverstein. These relationships are important to understanding 9/11.

Disturbingly, there were also several reports about studies that have been done of the consequences of a nuclear attack on Washington, D.C. They suggest that an attack with a nuclear device near The White House would kill around 100,000 people and flatten federal buildings. The panel that called for these studies is chaired by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Israel’s strongest ally in the Senate.

The New York Times (20 April 2008) has now published an extensive study confirming that the Pentagon and the mass media have used “independent military experts” with massive conflicts of interest to evaluate progress in Iraq. And, to my astonishment, The Times (24 April 2008) reported that General Michael Hayden, the Director of the CIA, will resign his commission but continue with his position during the coming summer.

Additional links:

Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel (16 April 2008)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

Nuclear attack on D.C. a hypothetical disaster (16 April 2008)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../556828862/1001

Risk of Nuclear Attack on Rise (16 April 2008)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8041502969.html

Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand (20 April 2008)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washingt...amp;oref=slogin

C.I.A. Director Announces He’ll Retire from Air Force (24 April 2008)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/washingt...rtner=BREITBART

MORE ABOUT THIS ARTICLE:

9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda (with links)
http://911scholars.org (scroll down the home page)

9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda (slightly edited with illustrations and links)
http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/Too...Con_Agenda.html

The Real News James Fetzer, 15 April 2008 (video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdApVIeRN7U

Prof. Jim Fetzer recounts Freedom Rally Speech, 15 April 2008 (audio)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=66...04816&hl=en


QUOTE(Evan Burton @ Apr 24 2008, 02:59 PM) *
Thanks for that, Jan. I have no background in news / media, but know from experience that (in Australia at least) media reporting can be wildly wrong, especially when it comes to a chaotic situation. Caveats should be given, and sometimes are - but certainly not always.

I still rely on hard evidence for my views on 9/11. To date, no-one has produced any 'smoking gun' or any verifiable evidence that says it was an inside job, it was MIHOP, LIHOP, etc. Did the current US administration take full political advantage of it? Hell, yes. Did they use it as a pretext for further operations in Afghanistan and Iraq? Hell, yes. Are they covering up for failures in the system that day, systemic or individual, accountable or not? Hell, yes. Did they blow up buildings with controlled demolitions or fly unmanned aircraft / missiles into others? Hell, no. The only facet which might hold some truth is that Flight 93 was shot down by US forces in order to stop it attacking a target, and that the Administration now wants to cover up that incident (even though it would have been an understandable action in the chaos of that day).

I'll review my opinions when I see evidence - not people speaking on subjects which they do not have a background in, not professional giving opions on which the overwhelming majority of their professional peers disagree with, not innuendo and fairy tales.

Evidence. Facts.

(end rant)

Mark Stapleton
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 25 2008, 10:54 AM) *
I had another thought.

When the summer time clocks change, there is often one week when the time difference between US Eastern Seaboard Time and UK time is six hours, rather than five.



I don't think September 11 is, or has been, within that summer time transition period when the time differences are out of kilter, Jan.

April to October uniformly in the US in 2001:

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/e.html

The UK in 2001 was March to October, adopted by the EU in 1996.


I concur with the others in thanking you for sharing your info and experiences on this. (and links).
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Apr 26 2008, 12:37 AM) *
QUOTE(Mark Stapleton @ Apr 25 2008, 09:42 PM) *
I don't think September 11 is, or has been, within that summer time transition period when the time differences are out of kilter, Jan.

April to October uniformly in the US in 2001:

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/e.html

The UK in 2001 was March to October, adopted by the EU in 1996.


I concur with the others in thanking you for sharing your info and experiences on this. (and links).


Mark - thanks for that. Rigour is important in these matters, and by raising the summer time issue I was trying to rule out other potential explanations for the premature BBC broadcast.

QUOTE(Peter Lemkin @ Apr 25 2008, 03:14 PM) *
Do you Jan have any friends or friends of friends who can ask or push inside the BBC for a REAL explanation and attempt to locate sources and any paperwork that may exist on this?! It could go a long way to breaking this case IMO


Peter - this goes to institutional competence. Richard Porter, Head of BBC World News, has stated:

QUOTE
"We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007...conspiracy.html

This does beggar belief. Those lost BBC World master tapes are important historical documents which the BBC would want to use as archive material in future programmes over and over again.

It also seems that Porter makes a factual error in his statement. Assuming the YouTube BBC News 24 footage is authentic (and it certainly looks authentic), then if he'd watched the relevant News 24 footage he would have seen that his sister channel made precisely the same mistake about WTC-7 at a very similar time (21:54 London time). This suggests, as I've written above, that the BBC had a single unique source for the claim that the "47-storey Salomon Brothers" building had collapsed when in fact it was still standing.

It would be reasonable to ask Richard Porter, and the relevant 2001 News 24 Editor, to identify that source.


An interesting question to Porter or someone else in the BBC is what percentage of their mastertapes go missing 'due to cock-up'. My guess it is exceedingly small and the very 'sensitive nature' of this one 'missing' makes me think of things like the 'gap' in the Nixon tapes et al. The BBC should tell [and should long ago have been asked by competant (sic) authority] from where and when they received exactly that information (I can't imagine the people involved have forgotten 'due to cock-up') of such a dramatic event? What happened to the mastertape? And why no internal investigation on all this? The BBCs very lame explanation is totally unsatisfactory. It just smells of someone trying very hard not to fully explore the incident
or some entity they depend on for 'inside sources', funding (or some such) putting 
pressure on them to just let this 'sleeping dog lie'. In watching one of the videos, I noted that the on-camera person mentioned the name of at least one person in the chain from which
 the information came. I didn't note it down, but I'm sure one can 
find it quite easily in the longer versions. 
Those pushing the official conspiracy 
version of events would have us believe it was 'just another one of those odd 
coincidences' - of which there were just far TOO many that VERY odd day, IMO.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE(James H. Fetzer @ Apr 25 2008, 10:27 PM) *
One was a report of Benjamin Netanyahu telling an audience at Bar Ilan University that the 9/11 terror attacks "were good for Israel". Netanyahu, by the way, just happens to be a close personal friend of Larry Silverstein. These relationships are important to understanding 9/11.

Disturbingly, there were also several reports about studies that have been done of the consequences of a nuclear attack on Washington, D.C. They suggest that an attack with a nuclear device near The White House would kill around 100,000 people and flatten federal buildings. The panel that called for these studies is chaired by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Israel's strongest ally in the Senate.


Netanyahu is also quite close to many of the NeoCons who were just lusting for their 'New Pearl Harbor'. How 'lucky' a break for them it 'just happened to happen'. How nice that Netanyahu found the attacks 'good for Israel'. Maybe he'd like some other such. Frightening and very odd when taken along with the lines of evidence of some in Israel having had foreknowledge of something up in the WTC - not to mention the dancing 'agents' watching and another group that was mysteriously arrested and deported, et al. There were quite a few stranger than strange Israeli connections in the story that need to be explored further. I don't believe the 911 Ommission looked at any of them; but then they tried very hard not to look at any of the American ones, Pakistani and Saudi ones either. In fact, they seemed to be doing a 'WC' whitewash controlled by Zelikow and others (starting with a scripted 'conclusion' and finding 'facts' to fit it.)

Many of the possible or known Israeli connections to 911 in timeline below.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...and_9/11=israel
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