After two 'studies' and one 'investigation' all contolled; all done by the Government itself (elements of which are chief suspects in the MIHOP or LIHOP scenarios) that were totally insufficient and designed to cherry-pick supporting theories and partial evidence; create others out of whole cloth, and generally cover-up and lull the Public into thinking all was well with the official conspiracy theory - we are left with another phone set of explanations and investigations - just like with JFK and so many other such.

Griffin in his Debunking 9/11 Debunking totally destroys the 9/11 Commission, NIST and FEMA reports - obliterates them, in fact - along with the pathetic PM book - which he points out was also under control of those connected to the government.

The list of unexplained phenomenon - and the back-to-back anomalous actions and behaviors of the entire day are too numberous to list here. I suggest one readhis book or any of his earlier ones, along with Scott's The Road To 911 - for the background and buildup of this event and its key players - plus the ominous COG events on that day.

The official story and its official reports/investigations can not explain [a very partial list]
- the squibs coming from the three WTC buildings below points of collapse; symetrical; explosive in nature (not compressed air); equally spaced; perfectly timed
- collapse of the antenna moments before collapse of the North Tower - contradicting its own 'theory' of the collapse event.
- the molten metal found under all three WTC towers
- the collapse of WTC7 in any way
- the pyrocalstic cloud and pulverization of the building - needing about ten times the energy to be found in gravitational collapse alone.
- the explosive lateral ejection of materals - including beams weighing tens of tons.
- the explosions heard by many
- evidence that the fires were not so large nor hot and even had they been could not have caused any of the buildings to collapse - less so symetrically.
- the 34 floor chunk of the S. Tower that miraculously exploded into dust and stopped its decent and lost its angular momentum.
- the free fall speed of collapse - showing that there was no resistance [i.e. beams severed]
- the opportunities and hints that people connected to Bush and Co. had companies doing security in the building and that strange power-outages, closed floors and elevator mantainance, not to mention bomb-sniffing dogs were pulled prior to events.
- Silversteins, Gulianni's and others forknowledge of events and slips of the tongue.
- unwillingness of Govt. to verify part numbers of items claiming to be parts of planes used.
- signitures of thermate in dust of WTC
- failure of NORAD, FAA and Air Force, generally, to track, intercept and deal with the 'threats' - not to mention the changed stories; destroyed tapes, gag-orders, etc.
- huge variety of military games ongoing that day - many highly suspicious in their parallels to events and/or in removing needed planes / adding phantom radar blips.
- evidence of many in Administration with forwarnings.
- inaction of W during crisis and his security stripping then.
- ISI chief meeting with Goss week of 9/11 and having sent Atta 100,000$, or more.
- Atta and other not ascetic Holy Warriors, but US Intelligence related sybarites.
- lack of hijackers on manifests and convenient finding of passports, headbands, etc.
- some of the hijackers alive after event and no revisions of the lists by FBI etc.
- lack of any connection of OBL [by admission of FBI] to events, and apparently fake 'admission' tapes.
- evaporation, sufidization of steel; evidence of diagonally cut beams; beams cut into sizes that just fit the largest trucks for removal of the beams; quick disappearance of 99% of the steel before forensic analysis.
- too many mysterious and unexplained events at the Pentagon and Sharpsville to list here, but including:
- hole too small for 757; too little fire; too little debris; light-pole anomalies
- flght of plane difficult to impossible for ace fighter pilot - not at all possible for a poor Cessna pilot.
- no evidence of fire from 5,000 gallons fuel on 757
- depth of penetration into Pentagon only explainable by bunker-buster type missle.
- attack on least vulnerable; least populated; furthest from Top Brass, and least accessible part of Pentagon.
- non-response by anti-aircraft defense nor Air Force to protect the building.
- smell of cordite and color of flash consistant with missle, rather than plane.
- lack of parts (or wong size parts) at both Penatagon and Sharpsville.
- evidence of shoot-down at Sharpsville and other white plane (official explanation obsurd on the face of it - asking a private plane supposed to be grounded to scout).
- several mile debris field at Shapsville indicating explosion of plane before crash - likely by heat-seeking missle.
- non-release of videos showing approach of whatever hit Pentagon.
- evidence the Flight 93 calls couldn't be made; likely most were not made and they were fakes done by voice morphing techniques - perhaps also used on FAA and NORAD tapes, in places.
- mismatch of flight recorder info and other facts - showing tampering.

...and one could go on. These are all adequately covered in the books I've mentioned and on responsible 911/Truth websites [a few are by bad researchers and a few posing as 9/11 Truth sites are constructed by those who would destroy the 9/11 Truth movement as electronic psyops]

But my question is - how do we move forward from here? The implications are EXTREME and imply that some of those in control of the Government, Military, Investigative Services, Intelligence, etc. are capable of [and did] commit a heinous crime and cover it up - though half of the US Population think there was some Government complicity.

We have provacateurs on the internet trying to shut down discussion of 9/11 events - as well as some well meaning, but self-deluded or in denial - simply unable to believe America could have any such evil persons contained within - despite all the evidence for this; multiple evidence for motive; and the historic evidence of similar precedents in the past.

The 9/11 Truth Movement is not a monolith and no one in it claims to have a complete explanation of all events - we don't have access to all the evidence; can't subpeona witnesses or compel testimony under penalty.

I'd like to see and International Tribunal/Investigation using experts, the evidence we have and those witnesses who are willing to testify - or the testimony we have from other statements, studies and such.

The floor is open to all of good will on how to proceed. The Borg will be ignored by me - I don't feel they want to get to the truth of the matter, but only obstruct same. We also know all too well you have excuses [lame ones at that] for each of the above - the same dissembling lies and selected info the Government has used. You also want nothing to be done so the Secret Government can stay in control and run riot over the USA and world with their genocide, wars, policestate, theft - demestic and foreign and generally consolidate the Empire. Start your own threads.

Anyone who want to add to the list above, feel free - but my prime motivation for this thread is not the evidence - we have to my satisfaction proven the official version a fraud and a knowing lie and cover-up. My motivation here is to discuss how to proceed - to get the information to the public; to better hone the information; and to act on it all to get those guilty convicted and clean up this evil mess!

I'm a little confused here. Who do you blame? The current administration? The US government? A cabel within the US government?

Researchers are not OBLIGATED to name suspects nor how secret crimes were committed. We lack the necessary
investigative powers to bring wrongdoers to justice.

Our only job is to study available evidence and impartially determine its veracity vis a vis the official story.

Peter has given us a long list of anomalous evidence which refutes the govt conspiracy theory, pointing
to different answers than we have been given. All of these give clues for the direction of a proper investigation.
But none of them would convict any of the suspects.

However, a reported quote attributed to GWB alleges: IF THE PEOPLE KNEW WHAT WE'VE DONE, THEY WOULD
HANG US.

Jack

Ah! I see - just accuse without facts. Gotcha.

Griffin? He's not only wildly wrong, he's also a joke.