Jan, Kathy Steve and others ‘on the fence’ concerning 9/11, I am curious as to what points concerning 9/11 you have doubts about. I suggest the following: each of you mention your top (up to five) doubts, hopefully you will look over the existent threads to avoid rehash. The partisans of each side can give you their take.

I just voted and the results did not reflect my vote.

About what Id expect from someone so low as to post together quotes and unstated assumptions ( in the j'accusers head) to imply things dealing with violence about another member.

Sleaze. Period

There is no way Len - or even the mods - can rig this. I highly doubt it would even be possible for John or Andy to do so.

Try voting again. If you can't, then you vote was either recorded, you hit 'submit vote' without making any selections, or there is something wrong with your browser.

Nathaniel should have been able to figure out that I have no control over the foru's software. His attack is typical of the "9/11CT" mindset; something goes wrong -"it must be a conspiracy". Disappointing (but not at all surprising) that he would make an accusation before ascertaining the facts. But that's what 'truthers' do in general.

The odd thing though is at this point it says there were 5 votes but only 4 are registered Perhaps Andy or John could set it so that he could vote again.

I attempted to vote. I got a message that I had not registered a vote
by selecting one or more radio buttons, when I obviously HAD. Apparently
the poll is rigged to reject votes of a certain point of view.

I tried three times. Same result.

Jack

I don't know what the problem with the poll could be for Jack or Nathaniel. This poll worked normally for me, when I tried moments ago. I was the 7th participant. I suggest you try again, or try another computer from another location. I don't have the means nor the skills to investigate why this may not work for some members.

Antti

I voted [said 8th vote] and results, I believe don't reflect correctly my vote and the views I'm sure I know of some others who've voted. But so what. Just another LC-911 trick. I'm sure he'll claim that the 'vote' will 'prove' the facts of the matter. Let's vote on history and truth....especially with this very poorly constructed 'poll' that won't even tell us who on this Forum [who vote] believes what.....for all that is worth. Endless bag 'o tricks has Len.

I recommend, as always, not to vote.

Taking part in polls, like elections, is simply playing the game of another's choosing...

Yours cynically

David

I voted for 2, 4 and 2. I will explain why later today. Steve.

Len, I have purposely ceased commenting on 911 for two reasons, one, I was in danger of being branded a "left gatekeeper" and I don't have Chomsky's intellectual breadth or depth, and two, What was intially a tragedy for thousands of innocent Americans, and laterly hunderds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's, is in danger of becoming a mere parlour game. But, here's my two pence worth.

First, lets seperate out the diasterous Iraqi, and Afgan wars, definately a conspiracy, aided and abetted by Blair and his "Dodgy"(read outright lies ) dossiers, and false claims about Iraqi strike capablity.
THIS, should people choose to see it, is the real conspiracy.

Second, America was warned by at least ten other intel services of what was coming, Putin even tried to speak directly to Bush only days before 911, so any claims of being taken by surprise are, by extention, lies. The Neo cons simply had to sit back, relax (you can always blame incompitence) and wait. It would also be interesting to know how deeply penetrated Al quada were, particularly by the CIA, their old paymasters in Afganistan.

When I posted my poll selections I got the following response from the forum remote viewing software

"Your vote for Jeb Bush is being processed"

I demand a recount.

In one place let it happen has 1/10 votes; in another let it happen has 50%. Flawed poll and anyway a poll shows [if well structured] what we [who care to 'vote'] think - not what happened. At university I spend much time on the construction of questionaires [polls] and this one lacks what is called internal consistancy. I think Len constructed it this way under MIHOP protocol.

No Peter in one it got 1 vote in the other it got 2. I have no control if someone was inconsistant. Your belief that the "results...don't reflect correctly [your] vote" are probally due to similar confusion.




This is what is was meant to reflect



Odd that someone who can't even interpret simple poll results correctlly claims to construct polls. The 1st question was to determine members' views the 2nd and 3rd were to messure how sure they were.

I started a test poll here on a forum that has been inactive for years.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=12799&st=0

It seems that Nathaniel clicked the "See Poll Results (null vote)" option. I imagine Jack didn't make a selection in one or more of the 3 questions, the software only lets you vote if your make a selection for all 3.

If any of the supposed problems are due to the software rather that Jack, Peter and Nathniel's errors I obviously have no control over that. This didn't stop them from making completely unfounded accusations.

SO LEN ADMITS THE POLL IS RIGGED. Two of the categories HAD NO ANSWERS which I agreed with,
One category had only ONE answer I agreed with. So I voted in just ONE category! So my vote was
not counted.

To be valid, each category should have a NONE OF THE ABOVE response.

So much for honesty.

Jack

Me too, Stephen, except in my case it is self preservation, pure and simple. I am not going to come over here and get blasted. I get my fair share on the other forum, which is why I have learned alot of time that to be protective "I keep my visions to myself."(Fleetwood Mac, Rumours)

I am not really happy to come home, and find myself being dragged through the mud.


The Immoderate Moderator.

Completely Unfounded Accusations?

Len, since when are we so formal that we use our full names around here?

No Jack because I have no control over the software. I doubt even Andy does, if you are unhappy with this ‘rule’ I suggest you get in touch with the people at Invision rather than make baseless accusations against other member’s of this forum. But then again you have a track record for such behavior and even got put on moderation for it.

Even if I had such control if wouldn’t amount to “fixing” the poll because I had no way of anticipating some members would not want to answer all the questions nor predicting what their views would be.

Ever heard of the concept of choosing the answer which best reflects your view? Which questions “HAD NO ANSWERS which [you] agreed with,”?



You could be right but it didn’t occur to me the options seemed to wide enough to reflect all views.



So much for not being a …

Yes Nate (is that what you want me to call you?) unfounded.

You accused me of:

Misquoting you
Fixing the poll and
“mpl[ing] things dealing with violence about another member”

All untrue, all unfounded all without basis in fact

Best. Post. Ever!

The poll is not rigged by Len. This has been explained.

I will consider any further accusations of "rigging" as being a personal attack on Len, prohibited under the rules, okay?

If you think the poll and / or the results are a crock, then that's fine. Say so, if you like. Do NOT accuse Len or anyone else of rigging the poll.

I had a number of problems with the poll.

first of all it required that I show ID
Next it stated that it was out of ballots
Next try it stated I was on the "no Vote List"
When I tried it the fourth time it was closed
Is this poll located in Florida?

Len admits HE WROTE THE POLL QUESTIONS. I accuse Len of "writing the poll questions". Is that prohibited?
He admits he did not offer choices for persons who found ALL REPLIES unacceptable. All right?
If anyone wanted to vote, they were forced to choose unacceptable answers by Len's choice of questions. True?
What would you call that? I know what I call it.

Jack

If you are unhappy with the choices, that's fine. No problem. Just don't accuse Len of rigging the poll.

"If anyone wanted to vote, they were forced to choose unacceptable answers by Len's choice of questions. True?" No, not true. You'd not choose answer. The fact that the forum software would appear (and I am not sure of this - John, can you confirm?) to have a problem with answering some questions and not others is a forum problem. Len has nothing to do with it.

Len admits WRITING the poll. The forum software did not write the poll with inadequate choices. Len did.

Jack

"Inadequate" is NOT rigging. If none of the choices were sufficient for you, then don't answer. It's your choice. If you made a wrong choice, then tough luck. If you think the poll is a crock, then say so (as I think we can take your vitriol as expressing). A reminder - do not accuse Len of rigging the poll, as he has done no such thing.

Jack you still haven’t said which questions you couldn’t answer and why none of the options were acceptable to you. If you give a reasonable answer I’ll acknowledge the poll was badly set up.