And left for dead in 1977?

Just an open question

Wim

Sure - why were T. Casey Brennan and his Father bound, soaked in gasoline, and lit on fire while still alive, starting with their hands? Why bother stabbing teen Brennan in the head so many times with a knife?

Questions...

- lee

Citation?

Why? You don't believe he was kidnapped and tortured?

What if I give you a citation? What's your next funny question going to be then?

Wim

Career criminals have lots of enemies. So what?

Where is evidence of the kidnapping and torture?

Just another Files tall tale?

Jack

How is asking for a citation a "funny" question, why so defensive Wim old chap.

Jack/Stephen,

What kind of citation are you seeking? A document? A witness?

I will think about giving it to you. Not sure yet. If I prove to you that the kidnapping/torture happened, what will your response be?

Wim

Cart before horse Wim, post any evidence you have and I will evaluate it dispassionately, I promise.

I suspect you already have an answer for "why" he was kidnapped and tortured and left for dead. Rather than this being another quiz show ((which is really just a psy-op tactic of bestowing a "man with the answers" moniker on yourself)) why dont you simply PROVE HOW his torture was related to the JFK assassination. I for one dont care IF he was or was not tortured. For arguments sake let's just say he was....Frankly it would suprise me if someone DIDN'T torture Files. Show us proof of how it was related to the JFK assassination and not just because Files said it was....

Jason

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Because he'd been a bad boy?

--Thomas
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Because the shot he fired was a miss?
KK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascagoula_Abduction


Because, he too was caught by the "Interstellar Fish & Wildlife Commission", fishing with no liscense.

Very funny answers!

This for the serious researchers:

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/faith.htm

Wim

Darn it!! I left out the cattle prod remark! Gee-- tortured, prodded, and left for dead! Faith must be one heck of a nurse!!!! Also no hospital records.
Wim, you would've probably got more return on your money if you would've sent Faith to nursing school--she obviously has a gift for restoring health, and Lord knows, we could use more "Faith healers".



Kathy

PS: I didn't think some of the mmmmms were affirmatives, I thought that they could've been hmmmms.

Kathy, what is it exactly you are saying? Can you be more specific?

Is it that we now have two hoaxes? Faith and Jimmy?

Wim

Wim,

in all fairness, what she does is saying she is not sure about his military past, since
all she ever heard/saw of it was him mentioning it a few times.

There is nothing more from her in that in regard .

You sort of lead her to an answer, that is the impression I got while reading.

You say she corroborates his military stint, but does she really ?

I think it would be fair to say that she corroborates him claiming
sometimes in the early 70's to have been in the military.

We've talked a longer while back about his military time, and I still think you see
very clear where the problems in the story are.They are not alone the lack of proof.
You simply can not wipe this Grady matter off the table, more so since he now
claims to remember his army number.

So, I still would be rather cautious in that regard and try to find his first wife, also in
hope to get smt in regard of documents,pictures,names of comrades and so on.

What you mentioned about Carilles sounds interresting, and I do mean that, no tricks (I never use(d) them).

I recently saw an interview with both Bosch and Carilles, Bosch admitted being a terrorist and also
blowing up that cuban airliner.
Maybe both become more talkative now that their life is getting near the end, and
age does not make it that easy anymore to run away from the ghosts of the past.

They both certainly came across as having some (slight but maybe growing) remorse about things they did.


May I ask how you got confirmation from him that he knows Files/Sutton from the Bay of pigs ?

This is a serious question.

Wim,

I agree with David that you were leading the witness.




You sent her a package--I think you should have waited to send her anything until after you interviewed her. With the information you gave her, she could more easily fall in line with the things you wanted her to say.

The torture story is a little "out there"--I can't imagine the police bringing someone home who was badly beaten, esp. as severe as this was supposed to have been. She didn't speak of him as if he were severely injured, enough to be left for dead--you did. Were it that bad, I would suspect that he would've been taken to a hospital.

Kathy, how interesting !

So you are suggesting that I was helping Faith to lie, right?

You don't accept that Files told Faith he was in the army and courtmartialed around the time they married, right?

And the storuo of Wolfman shooting a mouse is also inevented?

Or am I leading you now?

How big is this conspiracy to push the hoax of James Files? Who is involved in it? Me too? Or am I just a gullible sucker?

Wim


PS: Uwe, why do you need to emphaszie you never use tricks?

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mmmms and hymns---hallejujah!

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Even if he was kidnapped and beaten what does it prove? Files has been a criminal and con man his whole life, things like that happen to people like that.

Or am I just a gullible sucker?

Wim




Correct me if wrong (and I am certain that you will), but, didn't you purchase the "James Files Story" from Bob Vernon?


Bob, being a good New Orleans born and bred person, is also apparantly a graduate of the WC Fields School of Business.

"One has a moral obligation to take advantage of all suckers"

Wim,

I am saying that, by sending her information on Files, which she claims she viewed some of, before you interviewed, may have been suggestive to her---I, in no way, accuse her of lying.

I said absolutely nothing about she and Files being married, and not anywhere did I mention a court martial.

I did not mention Wolfman and the mouse either.

I think what you are doing is trying to find something for us to agree on, and from there, I can perhaps be persuaded to agree on more things, because something you presented to me, I bought. IMO, that's tactical. While it sometimes works, I don't think it is a good tool to use for research.. You lose your objectivity.

I don't know how big a conspiracy there is to push the Files Hoax. Nor do I claim to know who is involved. Are these supposed to be pressing questions for me? I fail to see the merit of them.

As for your last question, people will believe what they believe.

Kathy

How likely is it that Wolfman shot a mouse in a restaurant?

Well, Faith seems quite annoyed by this inappropriate depredation which probably was a deafening detonation in a confined space.

Did Wim prompt Faith to make up this story in order to demonstrate that Wolfman was a renowned pistolero?

I'd say you can take Faith at face value.

Otherwise, you must accept the illogical.

I see, selective word picking by you. Ignoring the hot issues and
jumping on the bone I did place for you to bite on.

You want an answer, ok.

Because else you would have ignored my whole posting, methinks.




Wim,you wanna know the truth about the mob ?
Here it is, enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnNT9fsuFEQ

Well thanks, Uwe, for showing why I rightfully should ignore you.

I guess trying to turn this thread and Faith's assertions into a joke, is not to be interpreted as a "trick", for you never use those

Wim

Whatever Wim.
Being serious or not is one thing, loosing humor and a healthy view of reality,
because of someone like Files for example ,is smt completly different.

The later seems to be your problem, it certainly isn't mine.

I always choose a good laugh instead of "serious BS", and like to share
what I think is pretty funny.
If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I am like I am.


Now back to the issue, the interview with Faith.

I asked you a question about Carilles, care to answer to that one or not ?
No need to give away the pearls, just what you think members here could find
interresting in how that info from him about Files came to your attention.

Thank you.

Files should be tortured some more for lying about being involved in the JFK assassination IMO. Neither of the two men described by Bowers as being in the RR yard during the shooting seem to fit Files description or what he claimed to have down following the shooting.

Bill Miller

Bill,

Allow me to disagree:

Lee Bowers

Directly in line, towards the mouth of the underpass, there were two men. One man, middle-aged, or slightly older, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt, fairly dark trousers. Another younger man, about midtwenties, in either a plaid shirt or plaid coat or jacket.

James Files

At that point, through the scope, I witnessed everything, matter and skull bring blown out to the back on the limousine and everyone on television watching saw Jackie Kennedy crawl out there to get it. I watched her hold it in her hand, crawl back on to the car, I put the Fireball back into the briefcase, and closed it up, I pulled my jacket off, reversed my jacket so I would have, instead of the plaid side out, I would have the grey like a dress jacket more or less and I put a cap on my head, my hat, to walk away, carrying a briefcase.

I said: With my clothes I can turn my jacket inside out, it’s plaid on the inside, it looks like railroad workers. Somebody out there wearing a flanel shirt, nobody is going to pay attention to me. I said: I can go over there, walk around a piece of (inaudible), walk up and down those boxcars, cross the railroad tracks, look at things, I ‘ll just be another worker, nobody will even look at me.

and my jacket was a grey poplin , we had these car jackets back then, they were like waistelength, not a short jacket, they kind of come down a little bit, no car jacket like … made out of a material that they no longer use, it was called poplin. You might even remember that material, the poplin material? Grey color, had a shine to it. That’s what the jacket was like that I was wearing. A pair of grey pants with it. And I reversed the jacket, it had the all-set plaids in it, kind-a-like checkers on the inside. When I turned it over it looked like one of the old grey flanel shirts we used to wear out, you know, when you’re doing work in the yard or something out there. And I walked around the railroad yard and was waiting for the time to pass.

I’ve already reversed my jacket. When I picked up the guncase, I reversed my jacket, no plaid side, I ‘ve got the poplin grey material on the outside, I took the fedora hat under the sleeve of it, snapped it out and put it back on my head and I walked away, carrying the briefcase and my 45 inside my coat pocket.

Johansson

I wonder what reactions you would get if Files would take a polygraph and pass with flying colors.

I guess something like : "He has beaten the machine, and by the way polygraphs are irreliable and not admitted in court."

Wim

PS: No, Uwe, I do not care to answer to that one. For all I care, you may say that information is flaky. Fine with me.

Bill, you better direct your anger towards Ed Hoffman.

http://i26.tinypic.com/34oeaf9.jpg

Whatever he describes, as a witness from over a 100 yards, was seen by no one much closer to it, not even by all the people on the railroad bridge. Has Hoffman really sold you that none of those people saw suitman running towards them along the picket fence, and that none of them saw railroad man accepting and dissassembling suitman's weapon at a distance from them of ..., what is it? 10 yards?

Johansson

William,

You asked the question about Files taking a polygraph test and would anyone believe him then. It would bring more credibility to his story. Has he been given one in the past about his role in the assassination? Would you be willing to have one administered to him? And do you think he would agree to it?

Thank you

John

Yeah, John, he has agreed to a polygraph, but the authorities didn't want to administer it. Any idea why?

He has taken a voice stress analysis test, which he passed. There was high stress when he talks about David Atlee Phillips.

But there may be another reason for that:


Lie detection/behaviour experts have also looked at his video and concluded: "What I see is a guy telling his story from memory"

To be continued

Wim