QUOTE(Peter Lemkin @ Jul 9 2008, 07:28 AM)

QUOTE(Robert Howard @ Jul 9 2008, 04:47 AM)

I am sure that everyone realizes the fact that it is somewhat problematic, in relying on information, in this case books by CIA officers, such as David Atlee Phillips to "understand" the intricacies of the Kennedy Assassination.
Bill Kelly mentioned the Phillips book about Intelligence Operations, and it being difficult to find. [Probably not as hard as finding a copy of Who's Who in the CIA...lol]
The point being, with regards to the above is that the scenario is not unlike asking the fox who killed the chickens.
This facet of the assassination has been present since 11/22/63,
ie The Warren Commission hierarchy asking questions about the CIA to Allen Dulles or James Jesus Angleton.......
Another item that I have never seen addressed on the Forum is the very name "Maurice Bishop," revelations about this person were revealed in the labyrinth of Antonio Veciana's detailing his account of the aforementioned being in the presence of Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, two months before the assasination. But I have never seen mention on the Forum of the very real Maurice Bishop who was the head of state in Grenada at the time of the Reagan-era invasion of that same country. Was the use of that particular code name some kind of inside joke? It appears to be a legitimate question
Then there is Morris Bishop.......Who seems to have always used his own name, there are records on him at NARA, so I suppose the point has been made......It is indeed a tall order to find out the truth when the very people you are ostensibly relying on to get to final resolution of the assassintion of JFK, arguably have a vested interest in making sure any real information is some blur between fiction and reality.....Not a real feel good message, but its better that having your eyes wide shut.....
Agree very much with you one relying on those in 'intelligence' to speak with less than a forked tongue. The New Jewel Movement of Bishop didn't happen until 1979 and I think he was an unknown in the early 60s....or are you proposing he was actually a provocateur using the name previously used by one of Oswald's handlers?
None of this we discuss here is 'feel good stuff'....quite the opposite. My low general opinion of humanity has tumbled much in recent decades. All we can do is fight the forces of denial, ignorance and control. No one ever said we'd win. Fact is, I'm getting very pessimistic about that happening......but it is still possible and we've got give it our best shot and say we tried.
Regarding your question, that is one of those areas, I do not know much about, except that the Maurice Bishop, of Grenada, if it is the same one I have just found out about, had some rather weird pursuits in the US of A, years earlier.
This Bishop was active in religious activities in Benton Harbor Michigan......As far as the scenario you mentioned, ie deliberately using the name of the Bishop who met with Oswald in Dallas, my guess is that there was probably something like that going on.....
Maurice Rupert Bishop (May 29, 1944 – October 19, 1983) was a Grenadian politician and revolutionary.
Bishop was the son of Rupert and Alimenta Bishop. He was educated at the London School of Economics and had an extensive background in studies of the black power movement. Returning to Grenada, he became active in politics. In 1973 he became head of the Marxist New Jewel Movement political party. He was elected to parliament, and for several years he held the position of leader of the opposition in the Grenadian House of Representatives, opposing the government of Prime Minister Eric Gairy and his Grenada United Labour Party (GULP).
In 1979 Bishop's party staged a revolution and deposed Gairy, who was out of the country addressing the United Nations at the time. Bishop subsequently suspended the constitution and declared himself Prime Minister of Grenada. All political parties except for the NJM were banned, and no elections were held during Bishop's rule. Without a constitution in place, the PRG simply issued laws by decree. The country was governed in theory by a cabinet of ministers with Bishop as Prime Minister, but in reality power in the country was exercised by the central committee of the party.
Bishop began to build a close relationship with Cuba after he took power. He initiated a number of projects including the building of a new airport on the island‘s southern tip and the creation of a new large army for the country. Financing and labor for the construction of the airport came from Cuba, although most of the airport’s infrastructure was designed by European contractors. American President Ronald Reagan accused Grenada of intending to use the new airport’s long “airstrip” as a waypoint for Soviet military aircraft.
The People's Revolutionary Army (PRA) was also formed during Bishop's administration. Critics accused the army as being a waste of money and resources, and there were many complaints that the PRA was used as a tool to commit human rights abuses, such as torture and detention of political dissidents without trial. PRA recruits were required to take an oath of loyalty to the NJM party and the natural superiority of Marxist socialism as a basis for government.
Arrest and execution
In 1983 disputes at the top level of the party leadership occurred. A group within the party attempted to get Bishop to either step down or agree to a power-sharing agreement with Deputy Prime Minister Bernard Coard. Bishop rejected these proposals and was eventually deposed and placed under house arrest during the first week of October 1983 by Coard. Large public demonstrations demanding the restoration of Bishop afterward occurred in various parts of the island. In the course of one of these demonstrations Bishop was freed from house arrest by the crowd. In unclear circumstances, Bishop made his way to the army headquarters at Fort Rupert. After he arrived, a military force was dispatched from another location to Fort Rupert. Fighting broke out later at Fort Rupert with many civilians being killed. Bishop and seven others including cabinet ministers were captured. Later in the day they were executed by an army firing squad.
Maurice Bishop married Angela Redhead in 1966. They had two children John and Kariin. Angela Bishop emigrated to Canada with her children, John and Nadia in 1981, while Bishop was still prime minister. He also fathered a son, Vladimir, with his longtime mistress Jacqueline Creft, who was also a minister in the PRG. She was killed with Bishop at the confrontation in St. George’s. Like his parents, Vladimir was killed in violent circumstances (stabbed in a nightclub) in Toronto, Ontario, Canada while still a young man.
That was the wiki page.....Then here is what I found......The News-Palladium, Thursday, July 18, 1968 Benton Harbor, Michigan
Maurice Bishop president of recently organized ton Harbor branch of the Southern Christian Leadership conference confers with security officers Nathaniel Cooper and Ulysses Walker has been picketing Wallace-for-president headquarters in Benton Harbor Denim suits are called uniform Staff photo Explains Picketing Of Wallace Headquarters Officer Of Local Group The location of the headquarters on the doorstep of the Benton Harbor ghetto is a major reason for picketing according to Rolan.
Maurice Bishop the barber turned civil rights leader excels at making the news columns but appears to be striking out at passing the hat At least four St Joseph churches are not warming up in the slightest to his newest proposition. This is a demand for seed money for a low cost housing project in Benton Harbor which he raised during the weekend Monday night the held a special meeting which voted to pay no attention to the idea The Southern Baptists in like tone
Wednesday, July 23, 1969 Benton Harbor, Michigan
Then there is this URL, and the following
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Bernar...shop/id/4847712Born in Victoria, Coard first met Bishop when they were studying together at the Grenada Boy's Secondary School. Interested in the left wing politics which he shared with Bishop from an early age, the two became friends, and in 1962, they joined together to found the Grenada Assembly of Youth After Truth. Twice per month Bishop and Coard would lead political debates in St. George's Central Market Place. He also ran several youth organisations in South London.
At the University of Sussex he studied political economy. During his time as a student at Sussex, he joined the Communist Party of Great Britain. After completing his doctorate, he moved back to the Caribbean, working as a lecturer at the Jamaican campus of the University of the West Indies. During his stay in Jamaica, he joined the Worker's Liberation League. Coard even helped draft the manifesto of the League. He also worked as a visiting lecturer at the Institute of International Relations from 1972 to 1974.
Coard published How the West Indian Child is Made Educationally Subnormal in the British School System in 1971.
In 1976 Coard returned to Grenada, soon becoming active in Grenadian politics. Soon after returning home, he joined the New Jewel Movement, his childhood friend's left wing organisation. He was to run for the seat of St. George's in the upcoming elections.
So maybe you can tell me, is the Bishop in Benton Harbor, Michigan the same Bishop who "ruled" Grenada?