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QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Jun 20 2008, 06:23 PM) 
I do think occult knowledge may have been involved right from the beginning of Bluebird and other covert projects. However, my strong suspicion is that this occult knowledge came from the Western Magical Tradition - as epitomised by the Ordo Templis Orientis of known spy Aleister Crowley, and rocket scientist Jack Parsons - and the Thule Gesellschaft which was the occult inspiration of the Nazi cult and its "philosophical" wing, the Ahnenerbe-SS.
I very agree with your analysis Jan. An additional consideration is that Crowley's O. T. O. was a German/Austrian Order founded in the mid-late 1890's that was later brought to prominence by Crowley. Also, the nazi occult order, Thule Gesellschaft, was linked to Crowley's O. T. O.
According to L Ron Hubbard Jnr., his father received the complete Thule Gesellscahft teachings directly, via courier. L Ron Jnr., makes no bones, nor pulls any punches in stating that his father's creation, Scientology, was based exclusively, not just on occult techniques, but specifically the satanic/black magic variant of the occult -- as also transmitted to him directly, in this case by Jack Parsons, the head of Crowley's Church of Thelema in Pasadena, the Agape Lodge. Parsons, as we know, was the leading light of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Leading NASA movers and shakers were former Nazi scientists.
According to Peter Levenda, in 2005 at a conference in Santa Clara, California, Daniel Sheehan stated his understanding that the secret society that is operating behind the scenes in America and the rest of the world is the Thule Gesellscahft.
Since the earliest experiments in mind control appear to have begun in the "camps" of Nazi Germany during WWII on unwilling inmates, I suppose it should no longer come as a surprise that this tried and tested techniques would reappear in the US (and UK) after the war, and also to be perpetrated on unwilling and unwitting subjects.
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Jun 25 2008, 12:55 PM)
Sleep and sensory deprivation were extensively used by the People's Temple, in a manner later fictionalized (knowingly or not) in the excellent movie, "The Jacket".
(p389-90, Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?, Meiers)
So, the Reverend Jim Jones was using advanced sensory deprivation techniques on his "family". Where did a "left-wing" street preacher think of such things?
The fact that both the techniques and the custom-built equipment were in the charge of a University of California psychologist is provocative. It suggests that, once again, we have a meeting of behaviourist and Pavlovian psychology with a large dose of MK-ULTRA - except it's been contracted out to a cult, and physically moved outside the borders of the USA to Guyana.
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Sleep deprivation was also used to break the will of Temple children and adults and render them open to Jones' strong willed orders. For no other apparent reason, the subjects were forced to go days without sleep. Many were so deprived that they would fall asleep standing up.
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Sensory deprivation was also widely employed as a means of breaking down the will of a test subject. ....... It was not until the Temple moved to Guyana that their experiments in sensory deprivation surfaced. Tom Grubbs, a psychologist with a degree from the University of California, was in charge of "the box". Grubbs, who was also the principal of the Jonestown school, personally constructed Jones' sensory deprivation chamber. Test subjects were locked into the chamber which was then placed below ground in a root cellar. The effect was that of being buried alive. Jones recognized the terror in the technique and ordered several additional chambers built in the shape of coffins. The test persons interred in the boxes were totally deprived of all sensory input. Without input, the mind goes blank and the subject emerges from the ordeal in a very receptive state for further conditioning. Tom Grubbs, who had been the Temple's expert in sensory deprivation for eight years, reportedly died in the Jonestown massacre but this cannot be confirmed as his body has never been identified.
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Sensory deprivation was also widely employed as a means of breaking down the will of a test subject. ....... It was not until the Temple moved to Guyana that their experiments in sensory deprivation surfaced. Tom Grubbs, a psychologist with a degree from the University of California, was in charge of "the box". Grubbs, who was also the principal of the Jonestown school, personally constructed Jones' sensory deprivation chamber. Test subjects were locked into the chamber which was then placed below ground in a root cellar. The effect was that of being buried alive. Jones recognized the terror in the technique and ordered several additional chambers built in the shape of coffins. The test persons interred in the boxes were totally deprived of all sensory input. Without input, the mind goes blank and the subject emerges from the ordeal in a very receptive state for further conditioning. Tom Grubbs, who had been the Temple's expert in sensory deprivation for eight years, reportedly died in the Jonestown massacre but this cannot be confirmed as his body has never been identified.
(p389-90, Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?, Meiers)
So, the Reverend Jim Jones was using advanced sensory deprivation techniques on his "family". Where did a "left-wing" street preacher think of such things?
The fact that both the techniques and the custom-built equipment were in the charge of a University of California psychologist is provocative. It suggests that, once again, we have a meeting of behaviourist and Pavlovian psychology with a large dose of MK-ULTRA - except it's been contracted out to a cult, and physically moved outside the borders of the USA to Guyana.
We seem also to have an occult technique in play here. Jones' sensory deprivation chamber replicating the sense of a coffin where subjects were buried alive dates back, at least, to ancient Egyptian times with rituals where the chosen subject underwent a ritual death followed by a ritual rebirth.
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Jun 25 2008, 01:13 PM)
QUOTE(Jan Klimkowski @ Jun 25 2008, 12:55 PM)
Sleep and sensory deprivation were extensively used by the People's Temple, in a manner later fictionalized (knowingly or not) in the excellent movie, "The Jacket".
(p389-90, Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?, Meiers)
So, the Reverend Jim Jones was using advanced sensory deprivation techniques on his "family". Where did a "left-wing" street preacher think of such things?
The fact that both the techniques and the custom-built equipment were in the charge of a University of California psychologist is provocative. It suggests that, once again, we have a meeting of behaviourist and Pavlovian psychology with a large dose of MK-ULTRA - except it's been contracted out to a cult, and physically moved outside the borders of the USA to Guyana.
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Sleep deprivation was also used to break the will of Temple children and adults and render them open to Jones' strong willed orders. For no other apparent reason, the subjects were forced to go days without sleep. Many were so deprived that they would fall asleep standing up.
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Sensory deprivation was also widely employed as a means of breaking down the will of a test subject. ....... It was not until the Temple moved to Guyana that their experiments in sensory deprivation surfaced. Tom Grubbs, a psychologist with a degree from the University of California, was in charge of "the box". Grubbs, who was also the principal of the Jonestown school, personally constructed Jones' sensory deprivation chamber. Test subjects were locked into the chamber which was then placed below ground in a root cellar. The effect was that of being buried alive. Jones recognized the terror in the technique and ordered several additional chambers built in the shape of coffins. The test persons interred in the boxes were totally deprived of all sensory input. Without input, the mind goes blank and the subject emerges from the ordeal in a very receptive state for further conditioning. Tom Grubbs, who had been the Temple's expert in sensory deprivation for eight years, reportedly died in the Jonestown massacre but this cannot be confirmed as his body has never been identified.
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Sensory deprivation was also widely employed as a means of breaking down the will of a test subject. ....... It was not until the Temple moved to Guyana that their experiments in sensory deprivation surfaced. Tom Grubbs, a psychologist with a degree from the University of California, was in charge of "the box". Grubbs, who was also the principal of the Jonestown school, personally constructed Jones' sensory deprivation chamber. Test subjects were locked into the chamber which was then placed below ground in a root cellar. The effect was that of being buried alive. Jones recognized the terror in the technique and ordered several additional chambers built in the shape of coffins. The test persons interred in the boxes were totally deprived of all sensory input. Without input, the mind goes blank and the subject emerges from the ordeal in a very receptive state for further conditioning. Tom Grubbs, who had been the Temple's expert in sensory deprivation for eight years, reportedly died in the Jonestown massacre but this cannot be confirmed as his body has never been identified.
(p389-90, Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?, Meiers)
So, the Reverend Jim Jones was using advanced sensory deprivation techniques on his "family". Where did a "left-wing" street preacher think of such things?
The fact that both the techniques and the custom-built equipment were in the charge of a University of California psychologist is provocative. It suggests that, once again, we have a meeting of behaviourist and Pavlovian psychology with a large dose of MK-ULTRA - except it's been contracted out to a cult, and physically moved outside the borders of the USA to Guyana.
We seem also to have an occult technique in play here. Jones' sensory deprivation chamber replicating the sense of a coffin where subjects were buried alive dates back, at least, to ancient Egyptian times with rituals where the chosen subject underwent a ritual death followed by a ritual rebirth.
Sounds like SKULL AND BONES.
Jack
Yes jack, to the extent that S & B is an occult order/secret society.
Have you read Kris MillEgan's excellent book FLESHING OUT SKULL & BONES?
Prof Antony Sutton broke the S & B story is his 4 part series "The Order". He considered it likely that S & B was founded out of the Bavarian Illuminati. The three universities he saw a connection with were Heidelberg (I believe? - my copies of his books are now stored and no longer are easily accessible for reference), Oxford & Yale. Oxford is the home of the "Group", which is the secret society founded by Cecil Rhodes. Yale, obviously has the S & B. Curiously enough, Oxford Rhodes scholarships were originally awarded to American, German and British Commonwealth students. German students stopped being invited after WW1, but then were re-invited in the late 1920's/early 1930's, to be permanently suspended after WWII.
Have you read Kris MillEgan's excellent book FLESHING OUT SKULL & BONES?
Prof Antony Sutton broke the S & B story is his 4 part series "The Order". He considered it likely that S & B was founded out of the Bavarian Illuminati. The three universities he saw a connection with were Heidelberg (I believe? - my copies of his books are now stored and no longer are easily accessible for reference), Oxford & Yale. Oxford is the home of the "Group", which is the secret society founded by Cecil Rhodes. Yale, obviously has the S & B. Curiously enough, Oxford Rhodes scholarships were originally awarded to American, German and British Commonwealth students. German students stopped being invited after WW1, but then were re-invited in the late 1920's/early 1930's, to be permanently suspended after WWII.
QUOTE(David Guyatt @ Jun , 04:24 PM)
Yes jack, to the extent that S & B is an occult order/secret society.
Have you read Kris MillEgan's excellent book FLESHING OUT SKULL & BONES?
Prof Antony Sutton broke the S & B story is his 4 part series "The Order". He considered it likely that S & B was founded out of the Bavarian Illuminati. The three universities he saw a connection with were Heidelberg (I believe? - my copies of his books are now stored and no longer are easily accessible for reference), Oxford & Yale. Oxford is the home of the "Group", which is the secret society founded by Cecil Rhodes. Yale, obviously has the S & B. Curiously enough, Oxford Rhodes scholarships were originally awarded to American, German and British Commonwealth students. German students stopped being invited after WW1, but then were re-invited in the late 1920's/early 1930's, to be permanently suspended after WWII.
Have you read Kris MillEgan's excellent book FLESHING OUT SKULL & BONES?
Prof Antony Sutton broke the S & B story is his 4 part series "The Order". He considered it likely that S & B was founded out of the Bavarian Illuminati. The three universities he saw a connection with were Heidelberg (I believe? - my copies of his books are now stored and no longer are easily accessible for reference), Oxford & Yale. Oxford is the home of the "Group", which is the secret society founded by Cecil Rhodes. Yale, obviously has the S & B. Curiously enough, Oxford Rhodes scholarships were originally awarded to American, German and British Commonwealth students. German students stopped being invited after WW1, but then were re-invited in the late 1920's/early 1930's, to be permanently suspended after WWII.
Actually, David, our good friends and allies, the Germans are not permanently suspended. They have been back in the club since the early eighties. Two students from Germany were Rhodes scholars in 2006. This came to my attention yesterday when I was looking for info on our own beloved RJ Hawke (Rhodes scholar 1953) who I am sure (but have no definitive proof) was a CIA tool. http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_oz/cia_oz4.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/...5638356466.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...47893-2,00.html
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