Today I was looking for Hugh Betzner in the Z film. The first sharp clear frame
I could find him in was Z 161. Working backward through the frames I found
the best clear frame NOT showing him was 21 frames earlier...barely over one
second. In Z140 he is nowhere to be seen. How is it possible for him not being
in the frame to be there 21 frames later standing flatfooted with camera to his
eye? He had to get there in LESS THAN ONE SECOND. I say it is impossible.
If you disagree, please explain.
Jack
Full Version: Betzner makes sudden appearance
QUOTE(Jack White @ Jun 25 2008, 06:15 AM) 
Today I was looking for Hugh Betzner in the Z film. The first sharp clear frame
I could find him in was Z 161. Working backward through the frames I found
the best clear frame NOT showing him was 21 frames earlier...barely over one
second. In Z140 he is nowhere to be seen. How is it possible for him not being
in the frame to be there 21 frames later standing flatfooted with camera to his
eye? He had to get there in LESS THAN ONE SECOND. I say it is impossible.
If you disagree, please explain.
Jack
I could find him in was Z 161. Working backward through the frames I found
the best clear frame NOT showing him was 21 frames earlier...barely over one
second. In Z140 he is nowhere to be seen. How is it possible for him not being
in the frame to be there 21 frames later standing flatfooted with camera to his
eye? He had to get there in LESS THAN ONE SECOND. I say it is impossible.
If you disagree, please explain.
Jack
I say watch the film in slow motion and you'll find it very possible. (sigh~)
Bill Miller
During the time of Betzner's sudden materialization, THE RUNNING ROSEMARY WILLIS
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
QUOTE(Jack White @ Jun 25 2008, 11:36 PM)
During the time of Betzner's sudden materialization, THE RUNNING ROSEMARY WILLIS
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
Do you not think it likely he just stepped out from behind some people Jack?
QUOTE(Denis Pointing @ Jun 25 2008, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE(Jack White @ Jun 25 2008, 11:36 PM)
During the time of Betzner's sudden materialization, THE RUNNING ROSEMARY WILLIS
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
Do you not think it likely he just stepped out from behind some people Jack?
No. The Dorman film shows him about 50 feet south on Houston. Then as he
goes northward, he pauses to shoot the limo turning the corner, with the Towners
in the foreground. Then he goes to the corner and shoots his famous shot.
Study of the 21 frames I mention shows that he moves FROM OUT OF FRAME
TO STANDING ON THE ELM CURB IN ABOUT ONE SECOND. Out of frame is
at least twenty feet. How can he move twenty feet in one second? In the same
frames a RUNNING Rosemary Willis takes TWO STEPS. Check it out.
Jack
The reason I was looking for Betzner is that I was searching for the man at the
left side of his photo.
Jack
left side of his photo.
Jack
Interesting Jack. Perhaps more evidence of frames removed or other changes. In your photo of the man you were looking for I noticed the Freeway sign and it struck me it seemed to have a different proportion [height to width] than it seemed to from the backside as seen in the Z film. As some suspect the Z film was tampered with and the sign seen in it may be an artifact to hide a shot or something other...was just wondering. Didn't mean to change the topic. I find Betzner's teleporting [beam me down Scotty] strange.
QUOTE(Denis Pointing @ Jun 25 2008, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE(Jack White @ Jun 25 2008, 11:36 PM)
During the time of Betzner's sudden materialization, THE RUNNING ROSEMARY WILLIS
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
TAKES ONLY TWO STEPS. Her dad steps from the gutter back onto the curb. Halfback,
the yellow SS car, moves about 15 feet. Betzner came from nowhere in one tick of a
clock and is ready to take his photo. Ranks right up there with Greer's impossible head
turns.
Jack
Do you not think it likely he just stepped out from behind some people Jack?
Betzner first appears in frame 142, morphing from a headless black blob with legs.
Jack
QUOTE(Peter Lemkin @ Jun 26 2008, 04:32 AM)
Interesting Jack. Perhaps more evidence of frames removed or other changes. In your photo of the man you were looking for I noticed the Freeway sign and it struck me it seemed to have a different proportion [height to width] than it seemed to from the backside as seen in the Z film. As some suspect the Z film was tampered with and the sign seen in it may be an artifact to hide a shot or something other...was just wondering. Didn't mean to change the topic. I find Betzner's teleporting [beam me down Scotty] strange.
Peter...after studying the frames for more than an hour, I find that Betzner suddenly appears in
frame 142, after morphing from a headless black blob. I had assumed that he should be seen
traveling in the background, but he is simply not there and then suddenly appears.
Jack
QUOTE
The reason I was looking for Betzner is that I was searching for the man at the
left side of his photo.
Jack
left side of his photo.
Jack
Good Point Jack,
The man in the Betzner photo seems to try and block Betzner's view when you view the frames 177-193 of the Zapruder film. IMO, this is another government agent that was in Dealy Plaza on 11/22/63.
Don
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