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Stephen Turner
Following Sen Joe Wilsons outburst, where he shouted "You Lie" at President Barak Obama, ex President Jimmy Carter claimed that most opposition to Obama was racist in nature. So, does he have a point, or are the Democrats using the race card as cover for an increasingly unpopular President?
Matthew Lewis
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 23 2009, 05:34 AM) *
Following Sen Joe Wilsons outburst, where he shouted "You Lie" at President Barak Obama, ex President Jimmy Carter claimed that most opposition to Obama was racist in nature. So, does he have a point, or are the Democrats using the race card as cover for an increasingly unpopular President?

Are complaints against Obama and his increasingly unpopular policies racist? I don't think so. Will it still be used as an excuse. Most definitely
Ron Ecker
David Letterman asked Obama on his show if Carter was right to call attacks on Obama racist. Obama made a simple observation: "I was black before I got elected president." There were racists in America before Obama got elected, and they certainly did not lead in getting him elected. There are still racists in America, but they are not leading the attacks against the elected president. The attacks are all about the economic crap the country is in, and a healthcare plan that the people perceive as being shoved down their throats at a time of economic hardship and without an understanding of what all is involved. It's still impossible to tell who is lying and who isn't about, for example, how it will be paid for and how people's present coverage will be affected. But Carter's basically stupid remark was of course fodder for the media, always looking for something to exploit for ratings, and the media has been eating it up. Keeps all those TV talking heads busy night after night to earn their pay.



Terry Mauro
QUOTE (Ron Ecker @ Sep 23 2009, 09:21 PM) *
David Letterman asked Obama on his show if Carter was right to call attacks on Obama racist. Obama made a simple observation: "I was black before I got elected president." There were racists in America before Obama got elected, and they certainly did not lead in getting him elected. There are still racists in America, but they are not leading the attacks against the elected president. The attacks are all about the economic crap the country is in, and a healthcare plan that the people perceive as being shoved down their throats at a time of economic hardship and without an understanding of what all is involved. It's still impossible to tell who is lying and who isn't about, for example, how it will be paid for and how people's present coverage will be affected. But Carter's basically stupid remark was of course fodder for the media, always looking for something to exploit for ratings, and the media has been eating it up. Keeps all those TV talking heads busy night after night to earn their pay.


I think they're angry with Obama because they placed their hope with him and he betrayed them. With Bush they didnt see much of anything to hope for.
Stephen Turner
Thanks for the replies folks, so why, in your opinion, are People disappointed in President Obama, or is this all Rush and his barbarians stirring the pot, I mean surely his Health care proposals must have been in his manifesto, and so can't come as a huge shock........Whitewater and stained dresses anyone?
Ron Ecker
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 24 2009, 04:36 PM) *
Thanks for the replies folks, so why, in your opinion, are People disappointed in President Obama, or is this all Rush and his barbarians stirring the pot, I mean surely his Health care proposals must have been in his manifesto, and so can't come as a huge shock........Whitewater and stained dresses anyone?


All I can do is state why I'm disappointed. He could have waited till we're out of the recession (whenever that is) to push healthcare reform down our throats. One drastic thing at a time. He did nothing to convince me that a trillion dollar budget (I believe that was the figure, give or take a few dollars) was needed as a stimulus. It strikes me as just obscene Democratic spending, which is "change" in that Democrats couldn't hope for such deficit spending before in their wildest dreams. His man in charge of the economy, the Secretary of the Treasury, is a crook (tax evader) who apologized for their "mistake" and got confirmed by his fellow crooks on Capitol Hill, while his "mistake" would probably put me and any other ordinary citizen in jail. And this guy is just one of the tax evaders whom Obama has hypocritically chosen to help lead this law-abiding nation. The people charged with getting us out of the current economic mess come from the same Wall Street criminal class that got us in the mess to start with. One can get the impression that Obama and crew are treating the American people just like the stupid suckers they are. He also put a well-known gangster's moll in charge at the State Department. I would have thought that the guy who ran on a platform of "change we can believe in" wouldn't have touched the kind of people he has around him with a ten-foot pole. Maybe these are some of the things that have people disappointed in Obama. Oh, and I am not a racist.

David Andrews
QUOTE (Matthew Lewis @ Sep 23 2009, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 23 2009, 05:34 AM) *
Following Sen Joe Wilsons outburst, where he shouted "You Lie" at President Barak Obama, ex President Jimmy Carter claimed that most opposition to Obama was racist in nature. So, does he have a point, or are the Democrats using the race card as cover for an increasingly unpopular President?

Are complaints against Obama and his increasingly unpopular policies racist? I don't think so. Will it still be used as an excuse. Most definitely

So far, I can second this opinion, and Ron's on the "gangster's moll" at State. Let's consider the source here: Jimmy Carter, tool of the Fed and Big Oil, bringer of Zbig Brez to the table at the behest of the super-monied superelite.

Were we supposed to be fooled? Since Woodrow Wilson, the Democrats have gotten control of an executive dominated since the Civil War by the Republicans through elevating some previously unknown quasi-populist savior with intellectual-humanist credentials - WW, FDR, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. Did I leave anybody out? Throw in the LBJ of the "Great Society" (styled after the New Deal of his mentor, but done to capitalize on JFK's liberal pragmatism).

The first Dem savior brought us the Fed and WW I. The one whose liberal-intellectual pretensions were the greatest, and whose family thought it could compete with the major family wealth in the US (the Big Oil that made it possible for Texas Small Oil to oppose him) was blown away in public.

The racist Wilson, remember, was the beginning of a new, populist Dem party that had to counter Republican control of the African-American vote (which it had retained despite the horrors of Reconstruction and its abandonment of the Black south in the 1877 election compromise) with an appeal to all those downtrodden in the GOP's rush to court business and industry. Eventually that appeal encompassed disillusioned African-Americans. Am I speaking an untruth to list the roll call of erstwhile saviors above as Wilson's heirs? Including Barry Obama of Chicago?

"Fool me once...shame on you, I guess. Fool me twice...uh..." JFK was the best of the bunch, judging by what he said and accomplished. He would remain so had he died of natural causes in 1963.
Daniel Wayne Dunn
Judging by the responses, there's not much in the way of racism to worry about, Steve. Racism will be "used as an excuse" for "complaints against Obama and his increasingly unpopular policies." President Carter's remarks about racism are "basically stupid." President Carter is a "tool of the Fed and Big Oil, bringer of Zbig[niew] Brez[inski] to the table at the behest of the super-monied superelite." So now you know .......

But in any event, here's some links and quotes to consider as you sleep safely without fear of racism in the United States, and while you continue your plotting to advance Prince Philip's wicked schemes for global domination.


Video of Carter's remarks and the House of Representatives' vote to censure Rep. Joe Wilson:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009...bama-joe-wilson



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/1...sm-barack-obama

"Jimmy Carter: Animosity towards Barack Obama is due to racism"
Ewen MacAskill in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 September 2009 18.58 BST


.... "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African American," Carter said. The Republican party today issued a denial, saying Carter was "flat-out wrong" and that opposition was not because of Obama's skin colour but his policies.

Carter, who aired his views in a television interview and at a public meeting in Atlanta, Georgia, on Tuesday, is the most senior Democrat yet to voice what many in the party have been saying both in public and private after the Republican Congressman Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" during Obama's key speech on healthcare reform in Congress, after anti-government demonstrations over health that have been almost exclusively white, and after the increasingly aggressive tone on rightwing talk shows.

Blog sites in the US attracted an unusually high volume of traffic today in the aftermath of Carter's claims and highlighted the rawness of the divide.

Carter, interviewed by NBC to mark his 85th birthday, said: "I live in the south, and I've seen the south come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that shared the south's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans.

"And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."

The Associated Press reported that Carter, when asked at a public meeting about Wilson's jibe, said: "I think it's based on racism."

.... The Southern Poverty Law Centre, one of the main groups in the US tracking hate groups, expressed support for Carter. Mark Potok, the director of the team investigating hate groups, said: "I think what President Carter said is precisely what is going on. I am not saying that everyone involved in opposing healthcare reform is a Klansman in disguise, but it is the elephant in the room."

His group has noted an increase in the number of hate groups, plots and racist incidents linked to Obama since he accepted the Democratic nomination to run for president last year....




http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/15/car...bama/index.html

"Carter again cites racism as factor in Obama's treatment"
updated 9:17 a.m. EDT, Thu September 17, 2009


ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Former President Jimmy Carter reiterated Wednesday that he believes racism is an issue for President Obama in trying to lead the country....

"When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds," the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.

"I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.

"It's a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both Democratic leaders and Republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the United States," Carter said.

Carter's comments came a day after he said racial politics played a role in South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst during Obama's speech to Congress last week and in some of the opposition the president has faced since taking office....
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