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Jack White
After not being able to mention it for several months, I can now
announce the publication of an outstanding new JFK book on
the assassination. Peter Lemkin will be especially gratified to
learn of it.

The book is

A DEEPER, DARKER TRUTH
Tom Wilson's Journey into the
Assassination of John F. Kennedy
by
Donald T. Phillips

Peter...this book is the reason Jonathan has been reluctant
to talk to you. He was working with Don on the book. Tom
had selected Don as someone he'd like to do a book. I will
send you a private email about this. This is the book you
were hoping somebody would write, and is better than you
could have expected. I will put you in touch with Phillips
in case you have questions.

I have read the book, and it is an outstanding presentation
of Tom's computer analysis. I felt like it was Tom himself
speaking to me. It is PROFUSELY ILLUSTRATED.

This is a very important book and may change the thinking
of some researchers about Tom's work. It contains many
new revelations not previously known to most.

Even those who refuse to believe Tom's analyses will find
much additional information new to them.

This is a "must have" book for all serious JFK researchers.
It will be available from Amazon.

Jack
David Andrews
It's good to hear that the McAdams slurs will be quashed. I won't even link to McAdams' tendentious Wilson page.
Jack White
Attention Peter...I know you have not read the book yet...but any thoughts?

Jack
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 16 2009, 08:35 PM) *
Attention Peter...I know you have not read the book yet...but any thoughts?

Jack


I posted my immediate thoughts on another Forum and in a private message to you. I'll have more to say after thinking it all over. It is ten minutes old and a shock - if welcome one.
Jack White
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Oct 16 2009, 09:32 PM) *
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 16 2009, 08:35 PM) *
Attention Peter...I know you have not read the book yet...but any thoughts?

Jack


I posted my immediate thoughts on another Forum and in a private message to you. I'll have more to say after thinking it all over. It is ten minutes old and a shock - if welcome one.



Peter...I have not received any emails from you today. Are you sure
you used the correct address? Did you receive my email from early
this morning, about 7 hours ago?

Jack

Jack White
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 16 2009, 10:06 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Oct 16 2009, 09:32 PM) *
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 16 2009, 08:35 PM) *
Attention Peter...I know you have not read the book yet...but any thoughts?

Jack


I posted my immediate thoughts on another Forum and in a private message to you. I'll have more to say after thinking it all over. It is ten minutes old and a shock - if welcome one.



Peter...I have not received any emails from you today. Are you sure
you used the correct address? Did you receive my email from early
this morning, about 7 hours ago?

Jack


Peter...I still have not heard from you. Please reply.

Jack
Bernice Moore
GREAT NEWS FINALLY WILSON'S WORK THANK YOU JACK .ARE ANY OF HIS STUDIES INCLUDED IN THE BOOK....DID THE AUTHOR GET POSSESSION OF THEM..WOULD YOU KNOW ?? .BEST B..
Bernice Moore
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Jack White
QUOTE (Bernice Moore @ Oct 17 2009, 04:36 AM) *
GREAT NEWS FINALLY WILSON'S WORK THANK YOU JACK .ARE ANY OF HIS STUDIES INCLUDED IN THE BOOK....DID THE AUTHOR GET POSSESSION OF THEM..WOULD YOU KNOW ?? .BEST B..


Most of Tom's studies (except the ones done for Oliver Stone) are in the book.
Tom's family gave the author access to Tom's materials.

Before Tom died, he had suggested to Phillips that they collaborate on a book.
Phillips felt an obligation to do so.

Even though the book was done in STRICT SECRECY, apparently the agency
was able to keep in close touch with its progress and is already working to
discredit it.

Jak
Denis Pointing
Hi Jack, is this the same Tom Wilson who came up with the 'sewer theory'?
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Denis Pointing @ Oct 17 2009, 05:39 PM) *
Hi Jack, is this the same Tom Wilson who came up with the 'sewer theory'?


Tom Wilson believed [and believed he could prove in court] that one shot did come from the sewer below the GK, but he was NOT the first person to suggest that. Not by a long shot.
Denis Pointing
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Oct 17 2009, 05:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Denis Pointing @ Oct 17 2009, 05:39 PM) *
Hi Jack, is this the same Tom Wilson who came up with the 'sewer theory'?


Tom Wilson believed [and believed he could prove in court] that one shot did come from the sewer below the GK, but he was NOT the first person to suggest that. Not by a long shot.


O.K. Peter, thanks for answering, may I ask what you think of that particular theory?
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Denis Pointing @ Oct 17 2009, 07:11 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Oct 17 2009, 05:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Denis Pointing @ Oct 17 2009, 05:39 PM) *
Hi Jack, is this the same Tom Wilson who came up with the 'sewer theory'?


Tom Wilson believed [and believed he could prove in court] that one shot did come from the sewer below the GK, but he was NOT the first person to suggest that. Not by a long shot.


O.K. Peter, thanks for answering, may I ask what you think of that particular theory?


I think there was almost certainly a shooter there. Whether they fired the fatal shot[s] from the front or it was someone behind the fence, I remain 'on the fence'. I personally think there were several shooters, some who did not fire....several who did. LHO did NOT fire any shots that day at anyone! Wilson's presentation is very persuasive, but I've not seen all the details. They will soon be out, I hope - in summary in the book, in other ways as well.
William Kelly
I was at the conference in Dallas when Tom Wilson made his presentation, and was impressed, though I didn't understand the science behind what he was saying.

As an engineer from Pittsburgh who tested metals, Wilson had developed a machine or computer system that measured grey scales in photos, and he applied this technology to the Zapruder film and possibly other films and photos.

Using this device, Wilson says he could strip off layers of film, see bullets in the film and view below and read redacted documents.

When I talked with Wilson on the phone in Pittsburgh after the conference, he wanted to show what he had to members of Congress, but he was reluctant to have his work scientifically reviewed by other engineers and scientists, which made me suspicious of the whole thing.

I guess someone should read and review the book so we know what's in it.

Is there a review on line?

BK
David Andrews
The book isn't on Amazon yet, nor listed on Donald T. Phillips' site.

It's a toss-up where the final front hit came from, based on the extant Z-film. It seems to me now that the lower you place the right rear evulsion, the more likely the round came from the GK fence or the elevated north sewer, though the lower fence location seems best choice. I don't think it's a south knoll round anymore, unless I'm better convinced.

Have people seen this slo-mo rendering? It may be more useful for the throat wound and JBC, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yON-21lHw6c&NR=1
Chris Halbower
QUOTE (David Andrews @ Oct 17 2009, 10:01 PM) *
The book isn't on Amazon yet, nor listed on Donald T. Phillips' site.

It's a toss-up where the final front hit came from, based on the extant Z-film. It seems to me now that the lower you place the right rear evulsion, the more likely the round came from the GK fence or the elevated north sewer, though the lower fence location seems best choice. I don't think it's a south knoll round anymore, unless I'm better convinced.

Have people seen this slo-mo rendering? It may be more useful for the throat wound and JBC, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yON-21lHw6c&NR=1



This book is definitely on Amazon. Here is the link

http://www.amazon.com/Deeper-Darker-Truth-...3493&sr=8-1
David Andrews
QUOTE (Chris Halbower @ Oct 17 2009, 10:06 PM) *
QUOTE (David Andrews @ Oct 17 2009, 10:01 PM) *
The book isn't on Amazon yet, nor listed on Donald T. Phillips' site.

It's a toss-up where the final front hit came from, based on the extant Z-film. It seems to me now that the lower you place the right rear evulsion, the more likely the round came from the GK fence or the elevated north sewer, though the lower fence location seems best choice. I don't think it's a south knoll round anymore, unless I'm better convinced.

Have people seen this slo-mo rendering? It may be more useful for the throat wound and JBC, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yON-21lHw6c&NR=1



This book is definitely on Amazon. Here is the link

http://www.amazon.com/Deeper-Darker-Truth-...3493&sr=8-1


OOPS - It wasn't when I checked yesterday! sad.gif
Bernice Moore
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 17 2009, 11:23 AM) *
QUOTE (Bernice Moore @ Oct 17 2009, 04:36 AM) *
GREAT NEWS FINALLY WILSON'S WORK THANK YOU JACK .ARE ANY OF HIS STUDIES INCLUDED IN THE BOOK....DID THE AUTHOR GET POSSESSION OF THEM..WOULD YOU KNOW ?? .BEST B..


Most of Tom's studies (except the ones done for Oliver Stone) are in the book.
Tom's family gave the author access to Tom's materials.

Before Tom died, he had suggested to Phillips that they collaborate on a book.
Phillips felt an obligation to do so.

Even though the book was done in STRICT SECRECY, apparently the agency
was able to keep in close touch with its progress and is already working to
discredit it.

Jak


THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION FINALLY HIS MATERIALS ...PERHAPS A MOD CAN ENABLE THE LINK I POSTED..IT IS TO THE TOM WILSON THREAD HERE ON THE EF..STARTED BY CHARLES DRAGO..IT WILL NOT WORK FOR ME..B..

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9508

Bernice Moore
QUOTE (Bernice Moore @ Oct 17 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 17 2009, 11:23 AM) *
QUOTE (Bernice Moore @ Oct 17 2009, 04:36 AM) *
GREAT NEWS FINALLY WILSON'S WORK THANK YOU JACK .ARE ANY OF HIS STUDIES INCLUDED IN THE BOOK....DID THE AUTHOR GET POSSESSION OF THEM..WOULD YOU KNOW ?? .BEST B..


Most of Tom's studies (except the ones done for Oliver Stone) are in the book.
Tom's family gave the author access to Tom's materials.

Before Tom died, he had suggested to Phillips that they collaborate on a book.
Phillips felt an obligation to do so.

Even though the book was done in STRICT SECRECY, apparently the agency
was able to keep in close touch with its progress and is already working to
discredit it.

Jak


THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION FINALLY HIS MATERIALS ...PERHAPS A MOD CAN ENABLE THE LINK I POSTED..IT IS TO THE TOM WILSON THREAD HERE ON THE EF..STARTED BY CHARLES DRAGO..IT WILL NOT WORK FOR ME..B..

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9508

KATHY THANKS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.IT KEPT WORKING FOR ME BUT NOT WHEN I POSTED IT IN THE REPLY HERE??






blink.gif I CAME BACK TO TRY AGAIN.....I HAVE BEEN HAVING AN AWFUL TIME ENABLING LINKS. ph34r.gif .B...
Bernice Moore
QUOTE (David Andrews @ Oct 17 2009, 04:01 PM) *
The book isn't on Amazon yet, nor listed on Donald T. Phillips' site.

It's a toss-up where the final front hit came from, based on the extant Z-film. It seems to me now that the lower you place the right rear evulsion, the more likely the round came from the GK fence or the elevated north sewer, though the lower fence location seems best choice. I don't think it's a south knoll round anymore, unless I'm better convinced.

Have people seen this slo-mo rendering? It may be more useful for the throat wound and JBC, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yON-21lHw6c&NR=1

THANKS DAVID FOR THE SLO MO..HAVE YOU PER CHANCE GONE THROUGH THE MEDICAL AUTOPSY STUDIES OF DR.DAVID MANTIK AND OR DOUG HORNE..THE FINDINGS OF THE TRAJECTORY OF THE BULLET THROUGH THE HEAD IS ON A UPWARD ANGLE NOT DOWNWARD AS IT WOULD NEED TO BE IF FROM THE TSBD.. ph34r.gif BELOW IS SOME INFO FROM DR WECHT'S FINDINGS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN..THAT I COPIED FROM HIS BOOK A FEW YEARS AGO..IN A POST BEST B...

Dr.Cyril Wecht

Information from…. “Tales From The Morgue”.
2005...Prometheus Books

In February 1965 Dr .Cyril Wecht was asked by the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) to present a “critical view” of the Warren Commission Report (WC), in Chicago. The only access to the report was at the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh. No one could check out copies, so he spent each evening for two weeks reading the key portions of the 26 volumes. They were based largely on, three sources, the Zapruder film, the FBI investigations, and the autopsy.

The Film was of the uppermost importance as the report repeatedly pointed to the film being the decisive evidence, in that it determined the number of shots fired, the sequence of injuries to the President and the Governor, the trajectory of those bullets, and the number of gunmen.
It contained 486 frames, ran about 18.3 frames per second, meaning that the film caught the reactions every 1/8th of a second.
The WC created on Nov.29, 1963 by President L.B.Johnson, executive order #11130, reported that “Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President’s throat also caused Governor Connally’s wounds.” The report also stated that the second bullet that struck President Kennedy came from the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD).

In 1965, Dr.Wecht had no reason to question the Zapruder film.
He had believed the WC findings …..After all it stated that the Zapruder film had proved its findings that Oswald had fired the shots, and acted alone, they were agreed to by the Chief Justice Earl Warren, and six other respected commission members, the FBI, and beside all that, the physical evidence that connected LHO to the killing was overwhelming. In other-wards it was a slam dunk. “Pretty damning evidence, or so it seemed at the time.”

“My intent was not to question the findings of the Warren Commission, but to review how the autopsy and other medicolegal aspects of the inquiry were conducted. In doing so, I became simply astonished.”

The first problem was that the Secret Service had removed the body, from Dallas to Washington.
At this point in time LHO was still alive, arrested, in the city jail, and if not murdered would have been put on trial in Dallas, because the 6th Amendment of the Constitution requires people to be tried where the crime takes place.
The authorities within that state retain all evidence, as that guarantees its authenticity. In removing the body from control of the Dallas County coroner, federal officials probably destroyed the admissibility of any evidence gained through the autopsy held in Washington.

At Bethesda, Dr.James Humes, and Dr.J.Thornton Boswell, not forensic pathologists and Dr.PierreFinck who was, but had not functioned in that position in any coroner’s office.
Neither the military officers nor any person in the autopsy room, in charge, had either the education, training, or experience for the task. Seemingly, Humes and Boswell started before Finck arrived, and they missed the fact that there was an entrance wound in the front of the President’s neck, the path of the wound was not traced, and they did not dissect nor trace the wound in his back, also Humes burnt his early autopsy notes.
Dr.Wecht found that the brain, which is soft and cannot be examined immediately, had been placed in a fixture of formalin, which then allows it to harden. But he discovered that two weeks later they had not performed an adequate examination by not serially sectioning that brain. This would have allowed them to trace the path of the bullet(s) that struck the President in the head. They said this was what killed him, yet they did not dissect the brain…He was needless to say, flabbergasted, and is as appalled today as he was then back 1965.

After researching the medical and autopsy findings, he was disturbed and critical, also of the police investigation .The crime scene was not protected, witnesses were allowed to leave, without being questioned .The limousine was not properly quarantined nor examined for forensic evidence; the Governor’s clothes were laundered before examination.

However at that time in 1965 he concluded his report without questioning the basic findings of the WC. That was not his charge, and neither did he have sufficient evidence or reason to believe they were wrong in deciding that Oswald was the lone assassin. He was though, quite critical of the autopsy and the forensic investigation. He did announce that had LHO not been murdered and put on trial for the murder of President Kennedy, the prosecutors would have lost.
“ The medical and forensic evidence was so screwed up, so incomplete, and so tainted that it would not have held up in a court of law.”..

After the lecture, at a breakfast meeting, Dr. Pierre Finck approached him and extended his congratulations on his report. Dr.Wecht could have told him he was wrong in his conclusions but did not. Dr.Finck instead stated to him, and he has never forgotten,
“You cannot believe what it was like, it was horrible. Horrible. I only wish I could tell you about it.” He regrets in not pushing Dr.Finck a little more for some details, but he did not and he thought at the time that would be all he would ever say publicly about the assassination of President J.F.Kennedy. As we know Dr.Cyril Wecht was so very wrong.

******************
On the morning of Aug.24, 1972, in Washington D.C, where Dr.Cyril Wecht had flown from Pittsburgh, the previous evening, he was ready and waiting at 8 am for a cab to be flagged, so he could begin his trip through the National Archives (N/A) having finally been given access to the Kennedy assassination materials.

In 1965 an unheard of event had taken place, the federal officials in their maddening wisdom, had chosen to turn over to Jacqueline Kennedy, all physical and autopsy materials ,and it is unacceptable to this day. This was evidence in a crime, plain and simple, the fact that it was evidence in an assassination of the President made it all the more horrific. In 1966 she turned it over to the National Archives, a request to the court being that the materials not be made public until after the death of her children. She did however say that recognized experts in the field of pathology would be allowed to apply to review the materials “for serious historical purpose.”
Dr.Wecht in 1971 was president of the American College of Legal Medicine, and he had applied for over a year to the N/A, and Burke Marshall, the executor of the Kennedy archive materials, seeking the access to review them. His letters and phone calls went unanswered. Then in 1971 when New York Times investigative reporter, Fred Graham, called him, having heard that he had applied to the N/A, he told him he was being stonewalled and so Graham made a few phone calls to find out why? Within a few days of Graham’s call, he was contacted by Burke Marshall and the wheels began to turn. He was given two days of exclusive access to all the physical evidence, autopsy materials and crime scene photographs.
When he arrived that morning and entered, he was still somewhat skeptical of the official version of the investigations into the assassination.

Dr C.Wecht: “What I saw during those two days convinced me that the truth still remains unknown. Those two days changed my view about the honesty of my government”..

Within the National Archives building he was directed to a Mr. Marion Johnson, an affable man who shook his hand, and told him he was there to help him in any way he could, and led him to a large private room, containing a table, chair, an x-ray viewing machine and a projector.
He had brought his own microscope, as none was available for him.
As he scanned the list of materials connected to the assassination he noticed the item, an original copy of the Zapruder film. Mr. Johnson had set up the projector to review the film, if he wished.
“He added that the film was only about thirty seconds long .He said that while more than five hundred photographs and pieces of film recorded portions of the assassination, only the Zapruder film captured the entire event on tape. When he informed me that the film was graphic, I reminded him that I’m a forensic pathologist and used to witnessing the result of violence and tragedy”..

What he did not tell Johnson was that he had seen the Zapruder film; in 1966 he had received a call from Dr.Josiah Thompson, who was working on an article for Life magazine, he had told him.
“that the editors at Life had purchased an original copy of the Zapruder film and that they wanted me to fly to New York to watch the eight-millimeter film with them”.
The film had not been shown publicly at that time, though some frames had been published in its magazine. He had read about the film seen the few photographs and studied the additional frames that had been printed in the WC. Report. He was acutely aware of how important the film was.
Wecht watched the film in N.Y with Thompson and the Life editors, Thompson explained to him that the film had been taken with a Bell & Howell Model 414D Zoomatic Director Series camera. The film 8mm Kodachrome color but recorded no sound, it consisted of 486 frames played at 18.3 frames a second. Taken approximately, by Abraham Zapruder, on a pedestal, assisted by Marilyn Sitzman, his receptionist some 70 feet from the middle of Elm St. where the Presidential limousine passed. He had sold a copy to Life for $150,000.
To better examine the timing and sequence, Life had printed each frame into 11 by 15 inch photographs.

He sat alone and watched the film, again, that morning at the N/A examining the still enlargements of each frame. As he watched it over and over, and reviewed the still photographs, he felt that the WC was right, that the Zapruder was the best documentary of the assassination, but that it contradicted some conclusions of the WC..
First: It called into question the timing of the bullet that supposedly hit both the President and Governor. If it struck JFK in frame 210 as the WC said, then more than a second elapses before the Governor is hit, and that is not consistent with a bullet that is traveling at speed of two thousand feet a second.
Second: Firearms experts had said that it would take 2.3 seconds for the Mannlicher-Carcano to be re-loaded and fired again, far too little time for the President and the Governor to have been shot with the same gun.
Third: It called into doubt the trajectory of the bullet.
If as the WC had concluded that one missile # 399, had entered the President’s back and coursed through the upper part of his back and neck, striking neither bone nor cartilage, then exited from the front of his neck, midline near the level of the knot of his tie.
Then entered the Governor’s back, breaking the right fifth rib, which destroyed four inches of that bone, then exited from the front of the Governor’s chest below his right nipple.
The same bullet then re-entering the back of the Governor’s wrist , which caused a fragmented fracture, in what is called the distal end of the radius, that being…one of the two large bones that comes down from the elbow to the wrist….
Then finally exiting the front of the Governor’s right wrist and re-entering his left thigh..

But as he viewed the Zapruder film and the photographs, he realized something was wrong. If a bullet had been fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD towards the President in frame 210, as the WC concluded. It would have been traveling at a downward angle, of about 17 degrees, from back to front, and from right to left as it entered his back…but a bullet travels in a straight line, unless it strikes an object on the way to alter its course..?
If the bullet was shot from the TSBD, it would travel from left to right, and if it did not hit any bones, within the president’s body, then JFK would have to have been sitting dramatically forward, his head almost on his knees, for that bullet to have exited through his neck, but the Zapruder film showed him sitting almost bolt upright. As we know for the bullet to have done what the WC stated, it would have had to emerge from the president’s neck, stop in midair, make an acute turn to the right about 18 to 20 inches ,stop again in midair ,turn downward and enter the governor’s back on the right side just behind his right armpit.
Because if you draw a straight line from the president’s back at the point of entrance and the front of the neck, at the site of the knot or a tie, as shown in the Zapruder film, the bullet would probably miss the governor,
completely or possibly it could have clipped him on the left back or left shoulder area instead of his right armpit. But fours years of medical school, six years of additional education and training, to become a forensic pathologist as well as three years of law school and nearly a decade of experience at the time, had led him to understand one basic principle and common sense as well, that bullets travel in straight lines, they do not change course in mid air, it was a “magic bullet”.

This bullet was very special, it was found on a stretcher by a maintenance man, so the story went, at Parkland Hospital after the President and the Governor had been wheeled in. The federal authorities said initially they did not know about the wound in JFK’s neck ?, so they decided that at Parkland this bullet must have come from his back when they were trying to save his life. When they did learn, (they said the next day), and decided that the bullet must have entered his back and exited his neck. (Without ever dissecting the throat wound at Bethesda.).Under their original theory, the bullet which traveled at a speed of two thousand feet per second, did not have the power to penetrate the President’s starched collar?
That was some heavy starch.

But then along came the Warren Report with a second theory..
They had to make the facts fit the story that LHO was the lone shooter, so they had to develop a scenario whereby only three bullets were fired, all from the 6th floor window of the TSBD…….and they also had to have it taken place within the time frame of the Zapruder film. So Arlen Specter a young brilliant lawyer serving as one of the junior counsel members on the W/C, came up with a scenario that fit. It required that all the nonfatal wounds from President Kennedy and Governor Connally were caused by the same bullet. (So it fell from Governor Connally’s thigh .If it was to work?.)

Dr.Cyril Wecht: “And then there is the business of the bullet just popping out of Governor’s Connally’s left thigh while he was lying on the stretcher at Parkland Hospital. This is a substantial piece of metal that was buried deep in the governor’s thigh near the femur. The entrance hole in the skin was small. There is no way that a bullet that went down that deep would just come back out. A bullet will on rare occasions plop out of an entrance wound, if the wound is a large gaping wound with extensively torn tissues. But in wounds such as the one suffered by Governor Connally in the left thigh, bullets become immediately entrapped in hemorrhagic tissue. The tissue swells and the skin, which stretches to accommodate the entry of the bullet, becomes elastic like within a few seconds, entrapping the bullet in the tissue”.
Mr. Johnson brought him CE 399, in a small case, it rested on a bed of cotton padding, he picked up the bullet and held it against the light. It is in nearly pristine condition, the bullet before it is shot weighs 161 grams….the bullet he held in his fingers weighed 158.6…Impossible.
Even the autopsy pathologists agreed with him on this point Dr.Pierre Fink had asked Arlen Specter during the WC if CE 199 “could have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connally’s right wrist?”
“No, for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist,” Dr.Finck responded. “There was practically no loss off this bullet.”

The federal government did try to duplicate with an experiment and replicate the magic bullet at US Army’s Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland. They tried Mannlicher-Carcano bullets through goat carcasses and human cadavers, broke one rib in the goat’s chest and also finally they broke a distal end of the radius in the human cadavers to simulate the wounds in Connally.
They also fired MC bullets into cotton wadding. The bullets that broke the goats rib were significantly deformed. The bullets that broke the radius bone in the human cadaver were tremendously deformed .Some fragmented and all showed the mushrooming, umbrella-like appearance, seen in bullets that hit dense bones.
Keeping in mind that none of the bullets hit and broke both bones as the Magic Bullet did. The WC own experiments failed and proved that the single-bullet theory was physically impossible.

As Dr.Wecht looked at the CE 399 bullet, he realized that it was a “magic bullet”..Magic because it accommodated the WCs every wish and desire.
“There has never been a bullet like this one in the world”.

Among the many documents and such that he came upon was a verbatim transcript of a briefing at Parkland Hospital at 3.16pm., just two hours
After the President had been pronounced dead…
Dr. Malcolm Perry and neurosurgeon Dr. Kemp Clark discuss what they witnessed.
“Reporters: Where was the entrance wound?
Dr. Perry: There was an entrance wound in the neck.
Reporter: Which way was the bullet coming on the neck wound?
Dr.Perry: It appeared to be coming at him.
Reporter: Doctor describe the entrance wound.
Dr.Perry: The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the front of the throat.”

He scanned through some of the 500 photos taken that day in Dealey Plaza ..Some that showed the presidential limousine turning from Main onto Houston, directly in front of the shooter? Why didn’t he shoot at the President then? Unobstructed by trees or foliage, a clear shot. Instead the WC claimed that he waited until it was partially hidden and at a more difficult angle to hit the moving target?? It didn’t make sense…

He examined the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and the spent three shells. He is not a gun expert, but can tell us that it is not a very sophisticated weapon; it is weighty, bulky, and not easy to fire or to reload. It is considered by to be a most inferior weapon of it’s genre in existence at that time.

He then was allowed also to examine the President’s clothes.
“His shirt, pants and jacket, were neatly folded and separated from each by a thin soft paper.” He held up his suit jacket and examined the bullet hole, it is approximately five and three-quarter inches down from the base of the back.
This raised another interesting issue to him, where was the entrance wound in the President’s back?
The doctors handling the autopsy placed the bullet wound further down on the President’s back initially. About five and three quarter inches from the base of the neck?.
The Secret Service agents who had the first contact with the President immediately after the shooting, two Secret Service Agents Glenn Bennett and Clint Hill, who had first contact with the President immediately after the shooting, had told the WC that the bullet hole was four to six inches below the neckline on the right of the spinal column, which is exactly where the autopsy notes indicated it was. Even the FBI agents who had witnessed the autopsy had reported a back wound that “was below the shoulders”. In their report (Sibert and O’Neill), which was sealed till a few years ago, stated they doubted the same bullet that entered the back could have exited the neck, because the bullet entrance was too low on the back. The WC and the Government claimed it was actually four inches higher. That made their theory that the same bullet that entered, and somehow exited his neck, though that was highly unlikely. Also by moving Governor Connelly’s seating farther and farther to the left. It made it all the more feasible to them.
Even though in the Zapruder film and in eyewitness confirmation that he was sitting directly in front of the President, if they had edged him over any closer he would have been sitting in Mrs. Connally’s lap.

His attention returned to studying frames 312 and 313 of the Zapruder film, he saw that President Kennedy’s head is in a slight chin-downward position as the fatal bullet strikes his head, they showed him that blood and brain matter sprayed on Mrs. Kennedy and the back of the presidential limousine and the Dallas motorcyclists who followed their car.
He wondered why, if the bullet was fired from behind, why did the president’s head lurched backwards, instead of forward with the momentum of the bullet, and why did nearly all the blood spray and matter go towards the back of the of the limousine if the bullet was fired from behind? It made no sense.
Indeed the size and location of that fatal head wound, which was instrumental in determining the position of the assassin was in dispute.
“The truth is, very little about the evidence in this case is not in dispute.”
The emergency room Physicians at Parkland and the three autopsy pathologists (at Bethesda) agreed the President died of a massive fatal head wound toward the back right of the skull.

The size and location of the head wound, officially changed in 1968. The Attorney General, Ramsey Clark (The Clark Panel) re-examined the autopsy records and determined that President Kennedy’s wound was actually 4 inches higher on his head that either the emergency doctors or the autopsy pathologists had indicated. They said it was a simply and easy mistake and that the higher head wound proved that the fatal shot came from the TSBD. They based their findings exclusively on a review of the autopsy photographs and x-Rays.
The problem of course, was that the head wound the Clark Panel saw is so significantly different from the wound described by Parkland and the autopsy pathologists (at Bethesda). The emergency doctors saw cerebellar tissue when they examined the president’s head, (this is a part of the brain from the lower portion of the head, no where near where this new entry site was located.)This intrigued Dr.Wecht.

He then turned his attention to the autopsy materials and started with the original autopsy report and photographs. The original autopsy described an entrance point as “just above the external occipital protuberance” which is the bony knob at the bottom rear of the skull, while they did not say how far above, it is certain they were not saying four inches.. The blow out wound was on the back right side of the president’s head, also known as the “parietal-temporal area.”
While he was critical of the three autopsy pathologists lack of forensic pathology expertise, he did not believe they could have mistaken the back of his head for the top of the president’s head..

As he examined the autopsy photographs and x-Rays he also found a couple of previously unreported items…the x-Rays showed a very dense 6.5 millimeter object at the base of the skull. It was 9 centimeters above the external occipital protuberance (bony knob at the bottom rear of the skull)
And one centimeter below a crack in the parietal bone in the skull.( above the occipital bone right hand side). It was a large fragment seen in the x-Ray that was not mentioned in the autopsy?? Equally as baffling was the fact, that it was so large as fragments go, and why the pathologists had not retrieved it as they had smaller fragments? And in addition why had a small flap on the back of the president’s head, slightly above his neckline, that appeared to be loose tissue, and was it an entrance wound or an exit wound?.. Had also not been reported…?

If it was an entrance wound, it would prove the lone assassin theory wrong,
and obsolete, because it would mean an additional bullet had been fired at the president, and recall the Zapruder film confines the shooting to six seconds. If it was an exit wound then that would disprove the lone assassin because it shows a bullet from the front. Meaning an accomplice and a conspiracy.
Unfortunately the only way to know for sure is to exhume the body, and conduct a second autopsy, but Dr.Wecht knew neither the Kennedy family nor the federal government will allow such within his life time..
Something else seemed odd to him, in the autopsy photographs, there was very short thick hair covering the back spot where the Parkland doctors saw the open gaping wound , the hair is less than an inch long though in an area where the hair would have been much longer. Instead, this was the length of hair normally found at the bottom of the scalp. It made him wonder if the president’s head in the autopsy photos had been tampered with to cover the actual wound.
He also examined a roll of film that had been improperly exposed and ruined, he learned that an autopsy photographer (Floyd Riebe )
took a series of pictures at Bethesda as they were starting the autopsy.
A military officer seized the camera, and stripped the film from such claiming he was not authorized to take the photographs, it was overexposed. This roll reminded Dr.Wecht of Dr.Finck’s remark regarding how horrible the conditions were that night at the autopsy.

Spending time with and reviewing Governor Connally’s X-Rays taken at Parkland that showed bone injuries and fractures to his right fifth rib and right radius above the wrist ,and also showing small fragments embedded in his chest, right wrist, and left thigh..They were never removed, (even after his death ) and could have proven or disproven whether they came from the magic bullet..(Another deliberate gaffe.)

As his time was running out he asked for three additional items.
(1: The President’s brain.
(2: The Autopsy photographs of the President’s chest wounds.
(3: The microscopic tissue slides of the wounds.

The brain was removed the evening of the autopsy. It was placed in a container of formalin to preserve it, it is a soft tissue, and the formalin causes it to harden and then the doctors are able to dissect and determine the trajectories of the bullets. However the president’s brain had not been dissected. But he thought it had been preserved for future examination.
The microscopic slides included sections of the actual wounds; he would have been able to tell if they were entrance or exit wounds. They would reveal the outer layer of skin called the epidermis, if it was pushed in then it would be an entrance, if out it would be an exit. There are also other differentiating features between exit and entrance wounds.
But that is when Mr. Johnson told Dr.Wecht the shocker
President Kennedy’s brain.
Some X-rays of the chest.
The microscopic slides.
Were all missing.
Gone.
Taken.

The Warren Report states that the brain was, “removed and preserved for further study”.The brain, x-Rays and microscopic slides were placed in a small metal container for storage amongst other Kennedy assassination materials presented to Mrs. Kennedy ,though there is no evidence she ever received them. Instead they were stored for about a year, by the president’s secretary Evelyn Lincoln, and his brother Robert.
Mr. Johnson told Dr.Wecht that when the family decided to turn all materials over the National Archives as a gift, the brain, chest X-rays, and microscopic slides were mysteriously not included. He also said he had no idea whatever happened to them, who had them, nor when they disappeared.
These three missing items are the key pieces of the hard physical evidence.
So as a result much of the case is based upon subjective interpretation or circumstantial, it is physical evidence that cannot be replaced nor duplicated.

Dr.Cyril Wecht left the National Archives late that Friday afternoon, after spending two full days examining the evidence in the President’s assassination. He was met by Fred Graham of the New York Times; he was pleased to discuss his findings with him as he had been so helpful in his being able to gain access to the materials. What he told him about the missing brain and all, as well as his general observations and opinions, in regard to the physical and medical evidence. Was published on the front page of the New York Times on the Sunday Aug 27th,1972 by Mr. Graham in which he detailed the doctor’s findings.

His interest did not cease in the assassination then or in the future.
In 1975 amid the strong public dissatisfaction of the outcome of the investigation of their President’s murder, President Gerald Ford, who was an original member of the WC, created the Rockefeller Commission, headed by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller.
One of the panel’s senior lawyers interviewed Dr.Wecht as to his scientific opinion, and for five hours he walked him through his critique of the autopsy, his analysis of the medical and physical evidence. He testified that the evidence made it clear that the Single Bullet was nonsense, that all bullets were not fired from behind, and that more than three shots were fired at the President and the Governor. That the autopsy was a sham, that he was convinced there was a second gunman, and the case should be reopened and reinvestigated.
Imagine his surprise when he read the Rockefeller’s Commission’s Report stating that he agreed with their opinion that all shots came from behind and most likely the TSBD. The report made clear that this was all the evidence that Dr. Wecht had provided to the commission.
He demanded to see a transcript of his testimony, and was told it was confidential, and that by releasing it in full, it would be a breach of national security.
He was stunned and dumbfounded .His statement was a matter of national security, he had never realized he was that important.
To a reporter from the Associated Press he stated:
“It that transcript shows in any way that I have withdrawn or revised my thoughts on the Warren Commission Report, I’ll eat the transcript on the steps of the White House.”

Twenty years later the government finally released the transcript of his entire five hour interview. It showed exactly what he had said..

Two years later the Government created the House Select Committee on Assassinations in1977 they were charged with reopening investigations into the assassinations of President John F Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King. To help it acquire, organize and analyze the medical and physical evidence in the Kennedy case, they appointed a 9 member pathology panel, and Dr.Wecht was surprised when he was asked to be a member on the panel. He learned later from personal friends that pressure had been applied to have him not appointed.
So for several months they discussed and reviewed the evidence. All agreed that the autopsy was woefully substandard, and all nine agreed the forensic investigation was equally tragic. The other 8 pathologists were well qualified and very experienced. He simply believes that they had made up their minds long ago that the WC was probably correct, and as a result their eyes were closed to accepting any different explanations. He challenged them to show him another bullet that could match the condition and weight of the so-called magic bullet. “Go back to your respective cities and search through the thousands and thousands of bullets and show me one bullet that has done what you say this bullet and has and looks like this bullet looks,” He implored the panel.
Twenty seven years later, he is still waiting.

His gut feeling was that the HSCA would only whitewash this investigation as well. He was somewhat surprised when they found in their finally report that there was a high degree of probability that the President’s death was a result of a conspiracy and that there was a second gunman involved. The committee also pointed to the Mafia and that they had motive and means to organize an assassination plot.
They also stated that the senior government officials were determined that any investigation would be a finding of a single assassin, Oswald.
“It must be said that the FBI generally exhausted its resources in confirming the case against Oswald as the lone assassin, a case that Director J.Edgar Hoover, at least, seemed determined to make within twenty-four hours of the assassination.”
The committee’s report, turned over all of its findings to the FBI and the US Dept. of Justice for further investigation.
Unfortunately, the Justice Dept. was never interested and or willing to continue the inquiry.

“So what did happen? Was there a conspiracy? How many gunmen were there? How many shots were fired?”

Dr.Cyril Wecht believes there are two elements to consider. He believes that there was a conspiracy, and also that the physical, medical and scientific evidence clearly points to at least two shooters. That under the law if there were two shooters, then there was a “conspiracy”, that there were at least four shots fired, perhaps five. Three were probably fired from behind and probably two from the front.
He has never believed that the murder was a result of an official FBI or CIA planned assassination, but that it was a domestic plot, and that there was no foreign power involved. While some members of organized crime may have had a hand and a contributing role, they were not the principals who did orchestrate the overthrow of the government in 1963.
CBS anchor Dan Rather asked Dr.Wecht in 1979 if he believed there was a postassassination conspiracy cover-up by government officials or the Warren Commission to hide the truth regarding the assassination, or were the numerous missteps the result of sheer incompetence?.
“I think it was both. I think the autopsy and original investigation was sheer incompetence that was in no way meant to be part of a cover-up I have never suggested that these pathologists or even some members of the Warren Commission knowingly engaged in any kind of conspiracy. However I think as things developed, when they began to realize that there were tremendous defects and gaps in their overall investigation and forensic scientific aspects of the case, they felt that they simply had to put it together in some seemingly plausible scenario. I think it started off as incompetence but that it has become an organized effort to ensure that the truth would never be exposed.”

“In 1992 Congress did pass the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, which required the establishment of an Assassination Records and Review Board to review and declassify millions of documents related to the president’s slaying. Approximately five million such records were made public. It was a huge step forward in discovering what happened.”

While there have been no” smoking guns” found among the documents such as the CIA admitting that they were behind the shooting, some of the records did contain big surprises. For instances there is a previously confidential memo from the lawyer of Dr. George Burkley, who as President Kennedy’s personal physician was in the motorcade that day when he was shot. Also was present in Parkland and in Bethesda during the autopsy. In 1977, in a letter to the HSCA, Burkley’s lawyer stated “Although he, Burkley, signed the death certificate of President Kennedy in Dallas, he had never been interviewed and he has information
in the Kennedy assassination indicating that others besides Oswald may have participated”. Despite the letter to them, Burkley was never called nor officially interviewed by any government agency, nor the HSCA.

The ARRB also exposed another secret problem: the legitimacy of the autopsy photos of the brain. During Wecht’s visit to the NA, he noticed that the brain had appeared in the photographs to be completely intact, which was impossible. The Zapruder film shows that the skull is exploding and spraying copious amounts of brain matter.
( On the back of the limo, towards the motorcycle policemen, and Governor Connally mentions the fact that brain matter flew all over the back of the limo…including himself and Nellie).
As well as witnesses to the shooting, who were standing extremely close.
Mrs. Kennedy handed a part of the brain to the chief of anesthesia at Parkland, Floyd Riebe a photographer at Bethesda, testified,
“Less than half the brain was there”. on and on, many related the information that the President’s brain had been blown out and that there was much missing. FBI agent Francis O’Neill, who was present at Bethesda, for the autopsy was shown the photographs and testified, that they were inaccurate.
“This looks almost like a complete brain.” he stated.
(Though at Parkland there seems to have been more of the brain present within the skull than when the body finally was given the autopsy at Bethesda?)
The official autopsy report documents the weight of the President’s brain to be fifteen hundred grams, which is heavier than the average, complete human brain. In 1998 John Stringer, the lead autopsy photographer also examined the photograph.
“He told the Washington Post that the current pictures are not his, and do not resemble anything he saw the night of the autopsy.”

This is very important because it shows that the Presidents assassination
evidence has been tampered with.
“Someone does not want the truth to be told. Who that person or persons are and what their motives may have been, I have no idea”.

“When I was a young man I believed that the Kennedy assassination would one day be solved and that the truth would be revealed. As I enter my seventh decade on this Earth, I now have serious doubts. The only way this case will ever be solved is through re-examination of the physical and medical evidence. Every day that goes by, the evidence deteriorates. If the brain does exist I doubt it still has any evidentiary value. And I am willing to bet every dollar that I possess that the Kennedy family and the federal government will never allow the body of President Kennedy to be exhumed for a second autopsy”.

When Governor Connally died there was a slight window of opportunity to gain new evidence, and Dr.Wecht along with a group of forensic experts and physicians petitioned US attorney general Janet Reno, to have the bullet fragments removed from his body and tested, they then would have been able to tell if they were from CE 399. Surprising to them Mrs. Reno did write to the Connally family and asked permission. However the family refused, and the bullet fragments along with possibly our last opportunity for finding the truth were buried..
Despite his doubts that he will learn the entire truth in his lifetime.
“There are legitimate efforts underway that are utilizing advances in science and technology to shed light on the mystery.”
Dr.D.Thomas who is an expert in the study of acoustical evidence,
made a dramatic presentation in, Pittsburgh in 2003 at a JFK Symposium,
hosted by Dr.Wecht.
Using photographs, the Zapruder film, and the Dallas Police audio recording his research and analysis showed that there were 5 shots fired in less than 9 seconds. At least two from the grassy knoll area, he explained to the panel. Stating that the evidence indicates, the bullets that were fired probably came from a .30 caliber weapon. At that time, the most popular weapon available was a .30 caliber Winchester.30-30 rifle.
His findings are quite ironic as a Dallas police officer radioed an alert at 12.45 pm stating “The wanted person in this, is a slender white male, about thirty five feet ten, one sixty five, carrying what looked like to be a .30-30 or some type of Winchester.”
The evidence, at every turn, does not add up in the Kennedy assassination,
to a lone assassin. Everywhere Dr.Wecht looks the evidence does point to an effort to keep the American public from knowing the truth.
Evidence missing, witnesses asked to and falsifying affidavits, testimony dramatically altered and documents manipulated.

“What happened in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, was an effort by two or more people to kill the President of the United States. What has happened since has been a conspiracy to hide the truth.
The result of the two was nothing short of a coup d’e’tet”.


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Bernice Moore
TRYING ANOTHER http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/..._Killed_Kennedy PART 6 THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE FOR TOMS WORK IN TMWKK..OR IF THIS SO AND SO DOES NOT WORK GO TO NIGEL'S INFO ON THIS FORUM THEY ARE WITHIN...BEST B. rolleyes.gif
Bernice Moore
WELL THAT'S ONE LINK THAT TOOK..FINALLY...B
Jack White
The book is profusely illustrated. Here is but one example.

Jack
Steve Kober
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 18 2009, 06:47 PM) *
The book is profusely illustrated. Here is but one example.

Jack


Recalling the TMWKK segment with Tom Wilson's analysis of the Mary Moorman photo, he concludes an upward angle head coming out of the ground and out the back/top of the President's head. I also recall that Tom struggled with limo locations based on the Z-Film. If the Z-film were altered by frame removal and artistic overlays (which I believe is the case) then perhaps we should revisit Wilson's original study with those changes in mind. Perhaps the unaltered Z-film would have changed the angle of entry to one witha slight downward angle. Thsi of course supports the GK shooter who I believe was seen by Ed Hoffman. Any thoughts?
Jack White
QUOTE (Steve Kober @ Oct 18 2009, 10:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 18 2009, 06:47 PM) *
The book is profusely illustrated. Here is but one example.

Jack


Recalling the TMWKK segment with Tom Wilson's analysis of the Mary Moorman photo, he concludes an upward angle head coming out of the ground and out the back/top of the President's head. I also recall that Tom struggled with limo locations based on the Z-Film. If the Z-film were altered by frame removal and artistic overlays (which I believe is the case) then perhaps we should revisit Wilson's original study with those changes in mind. Perhaps the unaltered Z-film would have changed the angle of entry to one witha slight downward angle. Thsi of course supports the GK shooter who I believe was seen by Ed Hoffman. Any thoughts?


The book gives a detailed description of the shot from the curbside storm drain.

Jack
Dean Hagerman
I have just finished reading this amazing book

Anyone who has wanted to know about Tom Wilson's work needs to get this book ASAP

Like Jack said it has tons of pictures and most of Tom's work is explained in detail with pictures

I myself have been waiting for 10+ years to see Tom's work published, and all I can say is that this book has made it worth the wait

This is a must have for any serious JFK researchers library

William Kelly
QUOTE (Dean Hagerman @ Nov 3 2009, 11:27 PM) *
I have just finished reading this amazing book

Anyone who has wanted to know about Tom Wilson's work needs to get this book ASAP

Like Jack said it has tons of pictures and most of Tom's work is explained in detail with pictures

I myself have been waiting for 10+ years to see Tom's work published, and all I can say is that this book has made it worth the wait

This is a must have for any serious JFK researchers library



It's too late.

Tom said that his work could be replicated by any high school physics student, but nobody bothered, and now, over a decade after his death, nobody has still bothered to replicate his experiments and create the type of evidence he claimed he had.

He could have shared his work and overseen the peer review, but none were done, and none are being done, and until it is, this is all words on paper.

God Bless Tom Wilson.

BK
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Nov 4 2009, 03:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Dean Hagerman @ Nov 3 2009, 11:27 PM) *
I have just finished reading this amazing book

Anyone who has wanted to know about Tom Wilson's work needs to get this book ASAP

Like Jack said it has tons of pictures and most of Tom's work is explained in detail with pictures

I myself have been waiting for 10+ years to see Tom's work published, and all I can say is that this book has made it worth the wait

This is a must have for any serious JFK researchers library



It's too late.

Tom said that his work could be replicated by any high school physics student, but nobody bothered, and now, over a decade after his death, nobody has still bothered to replicate his experiments and create the type of evidence he claimed he had.

He could have shared his work and overseen the peer review, but none were done, and none are being done, and until it is, this is all words on paper.

God Bless Tom Wilson.

BK


It is more than a bit of an exaggeration that any high school physics student could have done the same, but despite that, behind the scenes there has been [and continues to be] an effort to replicate his technique and validate his methodology. It was stalled (unbeknownst to some involved) by the book. I just finished the book myself. Much I know about Tom's work is not included, but what is there goes a long way to vindicate his work, despite the many errors he made in working [or is that not working] with others in the research community and his naivete about being able to work within the 'system' to right the wrongs of the events of 11/22/63. Here, I'm referring to his little-known lawsuit and the fact he gave his best findings to the FBI, not to the research community, and other matters. Nevertheless, it is a book that belongs in every serious researchers bookshelf, IMO. When others first made new claims [that the BYP were fakes; about Badgeman and others behind the fence; that the Z film might have been tampered with, et al.] most didn't 'buy' it and others had to repeat the attempts to look and confirm....]. It is my belief Tom will not be proven correct on all his findings, but will come out in the end with a great 'batting average' and a unique technique we can use on other photos. The expertise needed is somewhat sophisticated, but not beyond the level of those with a good science and computer background. I'm informed that the Borg within the USG were well aware of this book and are prepared with a counter-attack. That alone should clue those in the know that it contains information 'dangerous' to those who would have us believe in the fairytale of Dallas.
Bernice Moore
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 4 2009, 03:04 AM) *
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Nov 4 2009, 03:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Dean Hagerman @ Nov 3 2009, 11:27 PM) *
I have just finished reading this amazing book

Anyone who has wanted to know about Tom Wilson's work needs to get this book ASAP

Like Jack said it has tons of pictures and most of Tom's work is explained in detail with pictures

I myself have been waiting for 10+ years to see Tom's work published, and all I can say is that this book has made it worth the wait

This is a must have for any serious JFK researchers library



It's too late.

Tom said that his work could be replicated by any high school physics student, but nobody bothered, and now, over a decade after his death, nobody has still bothered to replicate his experiments and create the type of evidence he claimed he had.

He could have shared his work and overseen the peer review, but none were done, and none are being done, and until it is, this is all words on paper.

God Bless Tom Wilson.

BK


It is more than a bit of an exaggeration that any high school physics student could have done the same, but despite that, behind the scenes there has been [and continues to be] an effort to replicate his technique and validate his methodology. It was stalled (unbeknownst to some involved) by the book. I just finished the book myself. Much I know about Tom's work is not included, but what is there goes a long way to vindicate his work, despite the many errors he made in working [or is that not working] with others in the research community and his naivete about being able to work within the 'system' to right the wrongs of the events of 11/22/63. Here, I'm referring to his little-known lawsuit and the fact he gave his best findings to the FBI, not to the research community, and other matters. Nevertheless, it is a book that belongs in every serious researchers bookshelf, IMO. When others first made new claims [that the BYP were fakes; about Badgeman and others behind the fence; that the Z film might have been tampered with, et al.] most didn't 'buy' it and others had to repeat the attempts to look and confirm....]. It is my belief Tom will not be proven correct on all his findings, but will come out in the end with a great 'batting average' and a unique technique we can use on other photos. The expertise needed is somewhat sophisticated, but not beyond the level of those with a good science and computer background. I'm informed that the Borg within the USG were well aware of this book and are prepared with a counter-attack. That alone should clue those in the know that it contains information 'dangerous' to those who would have us believe in the fairytale of Dallas.



-------------------- "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------

The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the
assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in
the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was
entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'.

The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and
others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined
the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is
unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had
been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate
Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became
obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence
agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for
information every step of the way.

There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who -
through their investigations, research, released information - have shed
light on the dark corners of this event/

The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and
photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this
techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the
Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging
and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot
frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques-
the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from
the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality
evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been
maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself
found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness
of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling
with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his
work seriously or at least tried to replicate it.

He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to
reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get
things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery.
However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at
the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed
the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head
shot).

This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in
1992, who found:

a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh
view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade.

cool.gif the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23
minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making
his way clear and free.

The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and
show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime,
with the perpetrators getting away scott free.

After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the
autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the
photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine
Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the
rear).

His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in
the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the
pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was
revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake'
material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred
to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the
front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there.

Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us
have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes.

Attention then shifted to Lt. Col. Dan Marvin, with 15 years experience
as a paratrooper and eight combat campaigns. He has 21 awards and
decorations and servied in the Elite Special Forces, the Green Berets.
He had volunteered for Special Forces Guerilla Training at Fort Bragg,
NC only several weeks after the assassination. He noted also that nearly
all the instruction techniques at the 'Guerrila Warfare School' was
classified. The most secret of all - conducted within an enclosed and
wire fence perimeter - was that dealing with terrorism and
assassinations.

His instructors in this phase noted how the JFK assassination was "a
classic example of the way to organize a program to eliminate a head of
state while 'pointing the finger' at a lone assassin" (His words). He
noted that this also included a mock layout of Dealey Plaza indicating
where all the shooters were located. He indicated that he and other
trainees had also been told point blank that 'Oswald was not involved-
he was set up'. He also recalled the remark in passing of one of the CIA
instructors to another : "Things really did go well in Dealey Plaza that
day, didn't they?"

Marvin's segment ended by recalling how in 1965 he was asked to kill a
Naval person in the States- a William Bruce Pitzer. He refused, of
course, but suspects that someone else he knew took the job. Not long
thereafter- Pitzer (who was a Visual Aids officer at Bethesda - and had
the actual film footage of the autopsy) was found dead with a .38 in his
right hand and a gunshot wound to the head. (A later climp interviews
Pitzer's Petty Officer assistant who noted that this was odd since
Pitzer had always been left-handed, and indeed had been kidded in card
games for 'dealing the wrong way around'.)

The presentation concludes by interviewing two other researchers who
have - based on released documents- shown how the original assassination
plots directed at Castro, were re-directed at JFK in something called
'Operation Freedom'. They even have documented evidence that RFK called
one of the leaders of this group and said to his 'you did this to my
brother.'

Daeron

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Part Six, The Truth Shall Set You Free..Tom Willson

Tom Wilson, for 30 years a top consultant for U.S. Steel for discovering product defects through computer enhanced photography, shows his state-of-the-art computerized analysis of the photos of the wounds to JFK's head. Using over 6000 pieces of mathematical information, he constructed a large model of the projectile of the right temple wound which prove that the bullet came from below upwards, from inside the manhole cover at the bottom of the steps in Dealey Plaza and not from "badge man."

The autopsy photos released by the government are proven to show that morticians' wax had filled in the right temple entrance wound and that photo retouching had masked and disguised the rear head exit wound.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58659498316845631

B....Testimony of Thomas Wilson

http://jfkassassination.net/arrb/index68.htm

Witnessess scroll down his testimony to the ARRB

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm#u
Bernice Moore
2) "Fair Play" (Richard Bartholemew), in the middle of
review of "Assassination Science": I would be remiss if
I did not mention another oversight by Fetzer: his
complete omission of the digital photographic
photometry experiments of former U.S. Steel scientist
Tom Wilson. Those experiments, completed and presented
years earlier, but never published, reached many of the
same conclusions as Fetzer's contributors (Harrison E.
Livingstone, High Treason 2, [New York: Carroll & Graf,
1992], pp. 338-39).

I saw both of Wilson's initial public presentations.
The first was at the Assassination Symposium on John F.
Kennedy (ASK) in Dallas in 1991. It was a presentation
involving charts of mathematical calculations and color
slides of computer-processed images.

That debut of Wilson's work was videotaped by South by
Southwest, the conference organizers, but the quality
of the presentation and the video was compromised by a
loud party in the next-door ballroom. The two ballrooms
were separated by a non-soundproof, movable partition.
In what is at best an amazing coincidence, that party
was part of a reunion of U.S. Secret Service agents,
some of whom had served on Kennedy's Dallas trip. That
was learned about three years later by Vince Palamara
while interviewing some of those former agents.


Shortcut to: http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0052-VP.TXT

b...


John Dugan
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Oct 17 2009, 08:35 PM) *
I was at the conference in Dallas when Tom Wilson made his presentation, and was impressed, though I didn't understand the science behind what he was saying.

As an engineer from Pittsburgh who tested metals, Wilson had developed a machine or computer system that measured grey scales in photos, and he applied this technology to the Zapruder film and possibly other films and photos.

Using this device, Wilson says he could strip off layers of film, see bullets in the film and view below and read redacted documents.

When I talked with Wilson on the phone in Pittsburgh after the conference, he wanted to show what he had to members of Congress, but he was reluctant to have his work scientifically reviewed by other engineers and scientists, which made me suspicious of the whole thing.

I guess someone should read and review the book so we know what's in it.

Is there a review on line?

BK


I always wondered if technology would ever allow this to be done.

I do think the sewer assassin is total garbage. Sure there was enough room for a person to stand in there, but the trajectory is not supportive of a shot from that low. Wouldn't it have made an echo of some sort? i'm sure the assassin used a silencer laugh.gif

Might as well put the umbrella man firing a shot and the sewer drain shot in the same sentence.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (John Dugan @ Nov 4 2009, 11:57 PM) *
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Oct 17 2009, 08:35 PM) *
I was at the conference in Dallas when Tom Wilson made his presentation, and was impressed, though I didn't understand the science behind what he was saying.

As an engineer from Pittsburgh who tested metals, Wilson had developed a machine or computer system that measured grey scales in photos, and he applied this technology to the Zapruder film and possibly other films and photos.

Using this device, Wilson says he could strip off layers of film, see bullets in the film and view below and read redacted documents.

When I talked with Wilson on the phone in Pittsburgh after the conference, he wanted to show what he had to members of Congress, but he was reluctant to have his work scientifically reviewed by other engineers and scientists, which made me suspicious of the whole thing.

I guess someone should read and review the book so we know what's in it.

Is there a review on line?

BK


I always wondered if technology would ever allow this to be done.

I do think the sewer assassin is total garbage. Sure there was enough room for a person to stand in there, but the trajectory is not supportive of a shot from that low. Wouldn't it have made an echo of some sort? i'm sure the assassin used a silencer laugh.gif

Might as well put the umbrella man firing a shot and the sewer drain shot in the same sentence.


I'm not aware of a 'formal' review on the book, yet. I just finished my copy and was HIGHLY impressed, but I knew and worked [a little] with Wilson. I understand, in principle, his technique - and it is, in principle sound science - but a little complex. I'm not convinced that all of his CONCLUSIONS are correct, but I do believe many of his FINDINGS and many of this conclusions are, from his analysis of the photos, and bear further scrutiny and work by others. His methodology needs to be replicated and some of his findings reproduced, in order to validate his technique. Then, it can be used on other photos. His conclusion on a shot from the sewer is based on the angle he figured the axis of damage to the head of JFK, based on his calculation of the position of the car at the moment of his head exploding in the Z-film [his calculation totally different than most others]. Personally, I'm not convinced the fatal shot came from the sewer, but think a shot could have. None of us who  have done work on this massive effort have been without mistakes. Bill, my suggestion to you and all others reading this is do NOT fail to buy and read the book!!!! Don't wait for a review. My short 'review' is this book is NOT to be ignored and not to be missing from your JFK library!....
Brian O Connor
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included. The steel plate defect example is a bit "thin", and when I discussed this with a friend, a former aircraft mechanic with experience of testing aircraft machinery he laughed me out.
The whole theory stands or falls on a controlled proof of the science supporting it.
Jonathan Cohen

QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! I worked with  him and know others that did, as well. In  my case, as with others, he worked HARD to get the best, most pristine, closest [if not] original photo possible. The originals of most photos are NOT available - another issue that should make one question things. I fought for a year to get a contact print of large negative and had to do it by the 'back door' - the official response was 'NO!'. I gave my contact print to him to work on...the best available. Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand. It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Dean Hagerman
I think what Jonathan was refering to was at the begining of the the book it was talking about Tom using a VHS copy of a JFK program and an image from a book

Well all that was because it was Toms FIRST time trying his sytem on anything besides Steel!

So of course when he was curious he used whatever images he had at that moment in time

And having never researched the assassination the only images Tom had to use were off a VHS and a book for the first run through his sytem

Well Jonathan said he was not finished with the book yet, Im sure he is still on the first pages
Brian O Connor
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! .....
Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand.
It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Hi Jonathan, and Hi Peter, the problem is I`m not a scientist, and while I believe you Peter when you say you know Toms meticulousness first hand, that isn't the point. He didn't need to write the book for you; you already understand the process.
I need to understand a bit more and like most lay people who don't have your expertise, I need a little more than faith in your word to go on.
I am not questioning your integrity, simply pointing out that the public aren't going to appreciate his work without understanding the science behind it.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! .....
Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand.
It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Hi Jonathan, and Hi Peter, the problem is I`m not a scientist, and while I believe you Peter when you say you know Toms meticulousness first hand, that isn't the point. He didn't need to write the book for you; you already understand the process.
I need to understand a bit more and like most lay people who don't have your expertise, I need a little more than faith in your word to go on.
I am not questioning your integrity, simply pointing out that the public aren't going to appreciate his work without understanding the science behind it.


I'm fully aware of the complexity of both his methodology and its perception by the average person. Why, however, do the 'average public' usually trust a trained person working for the government without 'further explanation', but not [usually] someone who comes to a scientific conclusions at odds with the 'powers that be'?! Actually, there is a project to make Wilson's methodology more accessible to the public - but it will not be manifest for quite some time yet. I'll try to find some references [though they will be technical! I did post one here on the Wilson tread long ago.] that are on the general scientific principles behind this. In its simplest form, realize that a computer/optical devices, etc. can see more of the spectrum, more detail and more differences in color or shades of gray than can the eye. It is not magic, it is science, and not a whole lot different than the photo enhancement techniques used by, say NASA of other scientists, and others at looking at objects less controversial. Those detailed databases [that were once photos] can then be manipulated by the computer in various ways, giving 2D and 3D, even layer-stripping views; though the details of how this is done is a tad complex. Another thing he did was to compile a huge self-made database of reflective properties of known substances [different substances of different colors and brightnesses, etc.] and put them into his computer to match against. This way he could have the computer identify a piece of metal, or wax, then the human eye could only see a color. In fact a 'medium gray' piece of metal reflects differently [to the computer - not the eye] than wood; flesh from morticians wax, et al.
Adele Edisen
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 07:12 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! .....
Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand.
It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Hi Jonathan, and Hi Peter, the problem is I`m not a scientist, and while I believe you Peter when you say you know Toms meticulousness first hand, that isn't the point. He didn't need to write the book for you; you already understand the process.
I need to understand a bit more and like most lay people who don't have your expertise, I need a little more than faith in your word to go on.
I am not questioning your integrity, simply pointing out that the public aren't going to appreciate his work without understanding the science behind it.


I'm fully aware of the complexity of both his methodology and its perception by the average person. Why, however, do the 'average public' usually trust a trained person working for the government without 'further explanation', but not [usually] someone who comes to a scientific conclusions at odds with the 'powers that be'?! Actually, there is a project to make Wilson's methodology more accessible to the public - but it will not be manifest for quite some time yet. I'll try to find some references [though they will be technical! I did post one here on the Wilson tread long ago.] that are on the general scientific principles behind this. In its simplest form, realize that a computer/optical devices, etc. can see more of the spectrum, more detail and more differences in color or shades of gray than can the eye. It is not magic, it is science, and not a whole lot different than the photo enhancement techniques used by, say NASA of other scientists, and others at looking at objects less controversial. Those detailed databases [that were once photos] can then be manipulated by the computer in various ways, giving 2D and 3D, even layer-stripping views; though the details of how this is done is a tad complex. Another thing he did was to compile a huge self-made database of reflective properties of known substances [different substances of different colors and brightnesses, etc.] and put them into his computer to match against. This way he could have the computer identify a piece of metal, or wax, then the human eye could only see a color. In fact a 'medium gray' piece of metal reflects differently [to the computer - not the eye] than wood; flesh from morticians wax, et al.


For those who have read this book and for those who have not, the following excerpt on page 12 (top) might be enlightening:

"Some of Tom's industrial clients viewed this ability (to "see" through surface layers of steel - my insert - AE) as almost unbelievable, and certainly futuristic in nature. But Tom pointed out that he was snoky employing the same technology that the FBI and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had been using for years. It was all based on photonics, the science and technology of the transmission, control, detection, and measurement of light."

Photons, the little packets of light energy, do occupy space and can penetrate matter between the atoms or molecules which comprise it. Light may br totally absorbed and thereby reflect no light out, or some light may be reflected, or all the light may be relected.

When all the light is absorbed, the material appears to be black. When some light is reflected, the material may appear grayish, and if only certain wavelengths of light are reflected, the material may appear red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or violet, or some mixture of hues in between. With no light absorbed, the material will look white to us. Tom Wilson's computers, cameras, and electronic measuriong devices were capable of distinguishing 256 different shades of gray between black and white, which the human eye cannot distinguish, except for a few different shades. His system measured photons of light.

Visible light is only one form of electromagnetic radiation, which comprises gamma rays, X-rays, ultrviolet light (invisible to us), visible light, infra-red light (heat), microwaves, television waves, radio waaves, etc. All of these forms of electomagnetic radiation can be detected and measured with the proper instrumentation. They all travel with the same velocity which we commonly know as the speed of light.

Adele
Adele Edisen
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 07:12 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! .....
Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand.
It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Hi Jonathan, and Hi Peter, the problem is I`m not a scientist, and while I believe you Peter when you say you know Toms meticulousness first hand, that isn't the point. He didn't need to write the book for you; you already understand the process.
I need to understand a bit more and like most lay people who don't have your expertise, I need a little more than faith in your word to go on.
I am not questioning your integrity, simply pointing out that the public aren't going to appreciate his work without understanding the science behind it.


I'm fully aware of the complexity of both his methodology and its perception by the average person. Why, however, do the 'average public' usually trust a trained person working for the government without 'further explanation', but not [usually] someone who comes to a scientific conclusions at odds with the 'powers that be'?! Actually, there is a project to make Wilson's methodology more accessible to the public - but it will not be manifest for quite some time yet. I'll try to find some references [though they will be technical! I did post one here on the Wilson tread long ago.] that are on the general scientific principles behind this. In its simplest form, realize that a computer/optical devices, etc. can see more of the spectrum, more detail and more differences in color or shades of gray than can the eye. It is not magic, it is science, and not a whole lot different than the photo enhancement techniques used by, say NASA of other scientists, and others at looking at objects less controversial. Those detailed databases [that were once photos] can then be manipulated by the computer in various ways, giving 2D and 3D, even layer-stripping views; though the details of how this is done is a tad complex. Another thing he did was to compile a huge self-made database of reflective properties of known substances [different substances of different colors and brightnesses, etc.] and put them into his computer to match against. This way he could have the computer identify a piece of metal, or wax, then the human eye could only see a color. In fact a 'medium gray' piece of metal reflects differently [to the computer - not the eye] than wood; flesh from morticians wax, et al.


For those who have read this book and for those who have not, the following excerpt on page 12 (top) might be enlightening:

"Some of Tom's industrial clients viewed this ability (to "see" through surface layers of steel - my insert - AE) as almost unbelievable, and certainly futuristic in nature. But Tom pointed out that he was only employing the same technology that the FBI and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had been using for years. It was all based on photonics, the science and technology of the transmission, control, detection, and measurement of light."

Photons, the little packets of light energy, do occupy space and can penetrate matter between the atoms or molecules which comprise it. Light may br totally absorbed and thereby reflect no light out, or some light may be reflected, or all the light may be relected.

When all the light is absorbed, the material appears to be black. When some light is reflected, the material may appear grayish, and if only certain wavelengths of light are reflected, the material may appear red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or violet, or some mixture of hues in between. With no light absorbed, the material will look white to us. Tom Wilson's computers, cameras, and electronic measuring devices were capable of distinguishing 256 different shades of gray between black and white, which the human eye cannot distinguish, except for a few different shades. His system detected photons of light.

Visible light is only one form of electromagnetic radiation, which comprises gamma rays, X-rays, ultrviolet light (invisible to us), visible light, infra-red light (heat), microwaves, television waves, radio waves, etc. All of these forms of electomagnetic radiation can be detected and measured with the proper instrumentation. They all travel with the same velocity which we commonly know as the speed of light.

Adele
Peter Lemkin
Tom Wilson used/invented some interesting new uses of photonics for his work, but basicly, the science is well-developed, if not well know to most. For an overview of photonics see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photonics
Jack White
QUOTE (Adele Edisen @ Nov 10 2009, 07:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 07:12 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 05:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! .....
Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory. I don't know where you got that he used photos out of books or tapes.....you ought to question that source of information....as they are either mis-informed or working hard at disinfo against Tom. Tom Wilson was meticulous to a fault! The book doesn't go into details on his technique nor meticulousness. I know it first-hand.
It is meant as a book the general public can also understand and appreciate. He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases! Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!...put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Hi Jonathan, and Hi Peter, the problem is I`m not a scientist, and while I believe you Peter when you say you know Toms meticulousness first hand, that isn't the point. He didn't need to write the book for you; you already understand the process.
I need to understand a bit more and like most lay people who don't have your expertise, I need a little more than faith in your word to go on.
I am not questioning your integrity, simply pointing out that the public aren't going to appreciate his work without understanding the science behind it.


I'm fully aware of the complexity of both his methodology and its perception by the average person. Why, however, do the 'average public' usually trust a trained person working for the government without 'further explanation', but not [usually] someone who comes to a scientific conclusions at odds with the 'powers that be'?! Actually, there is a project to make Wilson's methodology more accessible to the public - but it will not be manifest for quite some time yet. I'll try to find some references [though they will be technical! I did post one here on the Wilson tread long ago.] that are on the general scientific principles behind this. In its simplest form, realize that a computer/optical devices, etc. can see more of the spectrum, more detail and more differences in color or shades of gray than can the eye. It is not magic, it is science, and not a whole lot different than the photo enhancement techniques used by, say NASA of other scientists, and others at looking at objects less controversial. Those detailed databases [that were once photos] can then be manipulated by the computer in various ways, giving 2D and 3D, even layer-stripping views; though the details of how this is done is a tad complex. Another thing he did was to compile a huge self-made database of reflective properties of known substances [different substances of different colors and brightnesses, etc.] and put them into his computer to match against. This way he could have the computer identify a piece of metal, or wax, then the human eye could only see a color. In fact a 'medium gray' piece of metal reflects differently [to the computer - not the eye] than wood; flesh from morticians wax, et al.


For those who have read this book and for those who have not, the following excerpt on page 12 (top) might be enlightening:

"Some of Tom's industrial clients viewed this ability (to "see" through surface layers of steel - my insert - AE) as almost unbelievable, and certainly futuristic in nature. But Tom pointed out that he was only employing the same technology that the FBI and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had been using for years. It was all based on photonics, the science and technology of the transmission, control, detection, and measurement of light."

Photons, the little packets of light energy, do occupy space and can penetrate matter between the atoms or molecules which comprise it. Light may br totally absorbed and thereby reflect no light out, or some light may be reflected, or all the light may be relected.

When all the light is absorbed, the material appears to be black. When some light is reflected, the material may appear grayish, and if only certain wavelengths of light are reflected, the material may appear red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or violet, or some mixture of hues in between. With no light absorbed, the material will look white to us. Tom Wilson's computers, cameras, and electronic measuring devices were capable of distinguishing 256 different shades of gray between black and white, which the human eye cannot distinguish, except for a few different shades. His system detected photons of light.

Visible light is only one form of electromagnetic radiation, which comprises gamma rays, X-rays, ultrviolet light (invisible to us), visible light, infra-red light (heat), microwaves, television waves, radio waves, etc. All of these forms of electomagnetic radiation can be detected and measured with the proper instrumentation. They all travel with the same velocity which we commonly know as the speed of light.

Adele


Thanks, Adele...for introducing the word PHOTONICS into the discussion. I have spent the last
30 minutes reading about photonics, and what I read WAS EXACTLY THE THINGS TOM TOLD ME,
although I do not recall his ever using that word. He said that the layman does not understand
the properties of light and how light can be used and measured. Much of what he told me was
way over my head, but he told me many times, LIGHT IS LIGHT and however it is recorded, its
properties are locked in and can be discovered, measured, analyzed, magnified, layered and studied.

I urge anyone wanting to understand Tom's work Google PHOTONICS. These exact things were
what Tom described to me, but in the 1980s I had never heard of photonics. His LIGHT VALVE
INVENTION most certainly is an application of this, in which light falling on a receptor could
be reconstituted as a photograph without using a lens. I think some of today's electronics may
use some of this principle.

Jack

Brian O Connor
Hi Adele, Jack and Peter, and thanks but... and sorry for being so crass, but wouldn't controlled experiments, carried out under the auspices of an independent 3rd party work just as well , explain the technology and prove the theory:
A badgeman wearing a particular design badge, a cadaver with painted and real wounds, hidden electronic equipment, photos and film altered from the originals, and all tested and exposed using the photonic system.
All I`m saying is that the book, if its meant for the general readership rather than informed experts then this sort of explanation should be /might better have been included.
Jonathan Cohen
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 10 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Hi Adele, Jack and Peter, and thanks but... and sorry for being so crass, but wouldn't controlled experiments, carried out under the auspices of an independent 3rd party work just as well , explain the technology and prove the theory:
A badgeman wearing a particular design badge, a cadaver with painted and real wounds, hidden electronic equipment, photos and film altered from the originals, and all tested and exposed using the photonic system.


Very well said, and I agree. I very much want to believe the major claims being made in this book (eyes being painted on to autopsy photographs; Moorman photo altered; Badgeman being real). And while the evidence for them is indeed intriguing, to me it would be much stronger if it could be reproduced in the manner Brian suggests.
Peter Lemkin
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 11 2009, 03:50 AM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 10 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Hi Adele, Jack and Peter, and thanks but... and sorry for being so crass, but wouldn't controlled experiments, carried out under the auspices of an independent 3rd party work just as well , explain the technology and prove the theory:
A badgeman wearing a particular design badge, a cadaver with painted and real wounds, hidden electronic equipment, photos and film altered from the originals, and all tested and exposed using the photonic system.


Very well said, and I agree. I very much want to believe the major claims being made in this book (eyes being painted on to autopsy photographs; Moorman photo altered; Badgeman being real). And while the evidence for them is indeed intriguing, to me it would be much stronger if it could be reproduced in the manner Brian suggests.

I sense doubt for doubt's sake. Few of Tom Wilson's 'claims' have not been 'claimed' by others - often many other researchers - using other methods. Second, his techniques were vetted and approved for use in US Courts as an expert witness. As said, all agree that future work on validating his methodology would be nice and is in the works. It is a very complex, expensive, and time consuming task. For now, you will have to be satisfied without - only that the same basic science is used every day. Of course, if you are only doubting to create doubt you will continue to press your doubts. I'd suggest you do a little more of your own homework on photonics and on Tom Wilson [for example, the part of The Men Who Killed Kennedy that contains him], some of which has been referenced above and on other threads about him. When NASA or other scientists use this few, if any, call for independent reproducing of the experiments. I realize it is a controversial subject, but. I am also informed much on Tom's work by the reaction it has created in those entities that have fought, and all too much succeeded, in the cover-up since 11/22/63. I have alluded to some of that, but choose not to go into greater detail. In the fullness of time, I think his methodology will be found sound and very many of his conclusions, as well. I'd ask all to evaluate his work along with that of the research community, in general. Divide and conquer attempts, or doubt for doubt sake won't change the fact that there was an enormous conspiracy, and an even greater cover-up [that continues still, at the same levels as it did since 11/22/63]. Tom's secrecy and reticence to work with many other researchers openly didn't help his legacy. More than one researcher has chosen, or been forced, to be somewhat less than fully transparent, due to the 'efforts' of those who would continue the Big Lie about Dallas, and much of what is presented to us as 'authentic history' since (and which mostly is not). Everyone is free to choose what they believe or not believe....but gather the facts, and look past and through the smoke-screen often conjured-up and presented on a platter of 'official and MSM banter' by those who have much to gain and other things to hide in a false presentation of our true history and deep political truths.
Adele Edisen
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 11 2009, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 11 2009, 03:50 AM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 10 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Hi Adele, Jack and Peter, and thanks but... and sorry for being so crass, but wouldn't controlled experiments, carried out under the auspices of an independent 3rd party work just as well , explain the technology and prove the theory:
A badgeman wearing a particular design badge, a cadaver with painted and real wounds, hidden electronic equipment, photos and film altered from the originals, and all tested and exposed using the photonic system.


Very well said, and I agree. I very much want to believe the major claims being made in this book (eyes being painted on to autopsy photographs; Moorman photo altered; Badgeman being real). And while the evidence for them is indeed intriguing, to me it would be much stronger if it could be reproduced in the manner Brian suggests.

I sense doubt for doubt's sake. Few of Tom Wilson's 'claims' have not been 'claimed' by others - often many other researchers - using other methods. Second, his techniques were vetted and approved for use in US Courts as an expert witness. As said, all agree that future work on validating his methodology would be nice and is in the works. It is very complex, expensive and time consuming. For now, you will have to be satisfied without - only that the same basic science is used every day. Of course, if you are only doubting to create doubt you will continue to press your doubts. I'd suggest you do a little more of your own homework on photonics and on Tom Wilson [for example, the part of The Men Who Killed Kennedy that contains him], some of which has been referenced above and on other threads about him. When NASA or other scientists use this few, if any, call for independent reproducing of the experiments. I realize it is a controversial subject, but. I am also informed much on Tom's work by the reaction it has created in those entities that have fought, and all too much succeeded, in the cover-up since 11/22/63. I have alluded to some of that, but choose not to go into greater detail. In the fullness of time, I think his methodology will be found sound and many of his conclusions, as well.


I was about to reply along similar lines as Peter did so elegantly. It would not necessarily give more "proof" or validity to the work that has already been done. Nor would it challenge the results obtained. The instrumentation is valid, the calculations are valid, and the work was done by a very competent engineer, using scientific methods. It would amount to mere repetition, with no new evidence being produced.

If others choose to distrust the methodolgy, then it would be the responsibility of such persons to show and prove that the methods are invalid and the results and conclusions to be incorrect. This is done in science all the time if some error is detected in someone else's work. That is how scientists as a group can achieve the truth in their quests.

Adele
William Kelly
QUOTE (Adele Edisen @ Nov 11 2009, 08:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 11 2009, 06:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 11 2009, 03:50 AM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 10 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Hi Adele, Jack and Peter, and thanks but... and sorry for being so crass, but wouldn't controlled experiments, carried out under the auspices of an independent 3rd party work just as well , explain the technology and prove the theory:
A badgeman wearing a particular design badge, a cadaver with painted and real wounds, hidden electronic equipment, photos and film altered from the originals, and all tested and exposed using the photonic system.


Very well said, and I agree. I very much want to believe the major claims being made in this book (eyes being painted on to autopsy photographs; Moorman photo altered; Badgeman being real). And while the evidence for them is indeed intriguing, to me it would be much stronger if it could be reproduced in the manner Brian suggests.

I sense doubt for doubt's sake. Few of Tom Wilson's 'claims' have not been 'claimed' by others - often many other researchers - using other methods. Second, his techniques were vetted and approved for use in US Courts as an expert witness. As said, all agree that future work on validating his methodology would be nice and is in the works. It is very complex, expensive and time consuming. For now, you will have to be satisfied without - only that the same basic science is used every day. Of course, if you are only doubting to create doubt you will continue to press your doubts. I'd suggest you do a little more of your own homework on photonics and on Tom Wilson [for example, the part of The Men Who Killed Kennedy that contains him], some of which has been referenced above and on other threads about him. When NASA or other scientists use this few, if any, call for independent reproducing of the experiments. I realize it is a controversial subject, but. I am also informed much on Tom's work by the reaction it has created in those entities that have fought, and all too much succeeded, in the cover-up since 11/22/63. I have alluded to some of that, but choose not to go into greater detail. In the fullness of time, I think his methodology will be found sound and many of his conclusions, as well.


I was about to reply along similar lines as Peter did so elegantly. It would not necessarily give more "proof" or validity to the work that has already been done. Nor would it challenge the results obtained. The instrumentation is valid, the calculations are valid, and the work was done by a very competent engineer, using scientific methods. It would amount to mere repetition, with no new evidence being produced.

If others choose to distrust the methodolgy, then it would be the responsibility of such persons to show and prove that the methods are invalid and the results and conclusions to be incorrect. This is done in science all the time if some error is detected in someone else's work. That is how scientists as a group can achieve the truth in their quests.

Adele


Yes, Adele,

But we saw and heard Tim Wilson's presentation at the Dallas ASK conference nearly twenty years ago. Wilson said then that any college physics lab could do the same thing then. Why hasn't it been done, yet? At the time I wrote a letter to the head of the Physics dept at Drexel U. in Philly asking him to assign a class to review Wilson's work, but never heard back from them.

When will some people who are familiar with these areas of science apply them to the JFK evidence like Wilson did and try to duplicate his work.

Until that is done it is still mumbo jumbo.

Excuse me for being frustrated over this, but we can't wait another 17 years for somebody to get around to do it.

BK
Len Colby
QUOTE (Peter Lemkin @ Nov 9 2009, 12:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Jonathan Cohen @ Nov 8 2009, 10:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Finally got hold of the book, but have to say I`m disappointed with the explanation of the science behind the technology.
Surely a chapter proving the system should be included.


I'd have to agree. I am not yet finished with the book but so far I am finding the science behind it somewhat dubious. For one thing, Wilson appears to have not used any original photographs or negatives for his analysis ... he is using copies out of books and VHS tapes. Would be interested to hear further discussion about all of this.


Completely wrong! I worked with  him and know others that did, as well. In  my case, as with others, he worked HARD to get the best, most pristine, closest [if not] original photo possible. The originals of most photos are NOT available - another issue that should make one question things. I fought for a year to get a contact print of large negative and had to do it by the 'back door' - the official response was 'NO!'. I gave my contact print to him to work on...the best available. Further, I'm a scientist, and there is nothing wrong with his science or technique, in theory.


Classic example of an appeal to(false) authority since Peter is an environmental scientist and thus NOT specially qualified to comment on image processing techniques


He was approved to use his techniques as an expert witness in court cases!

What confirmation is there for this claim? Did these cases involve steel quality or analysis resembling that which applied assassination imagery?

QUOTE
Further, U.S. Steel had him using his technique for steel quality control for many years until his retirement!


Any confirmation for this claim?

Brian O Connor
Hi Peter, and Hi Adele, like Jonathan I would like to think that this is the Rosetta stone, and as William points out 17 years is quite a stretch.
I would think too, that with the advances in computer technology since then, the replication process should be much easier ?
Not raising doubts for the sake of it, just looking for a satisfactory solution, that hopefully, the 2nd edition will provide.
Adele Edisen
QUOTE (Brian O Connor @ Nov 11 2009, 02:10 PM) *
Hi Peter, and Hi Adele, like Jonathan I would like to think that this is the Rosetta stone, and as William points out 17 years is quite a stretch.
I would think too, that with the advances in computer technology since then, the replication process should be much easier ?
Not raising doubts for the sake of it, just looking for a satisfactory solution, that hopefully, the 2nd edition will provide.


Duplication and reproduction of the work, or even a part of the work, by Tom Wilson probably might not be a big problem, if the methods used are identical to those of Tom Wilson. That might be the problem because it is not always possible to have the identical conditions or equipment.

I can think of some common variations in chemical reactions when repeated under very slightly different temperatures, air pressures, and other possible unknown variables. In biological experiments the large variability may be due to uncontrollable and unknown conditions found among living organisms.

I wonder why some people cannot accept Wilson's metallurgical work. That was his only responsibility when he worked so many years for US Steel. Would a major corporation risk the quality of its steel products to an incompetent engineer using an unknown or undeveloped physical system?

Maybe it might help if we look at another electromagnetic radiation, which is heat energy from a fire or from the infra-red radiation from sunlight (not the visible light from sunlight). If we leave a car outside in the summertime sun, the metal gets hot, does it not? How does that happen?

Obviously, the infra-red radiation has to interact with the metal atoms. These atoms have to absorb the energy from the infra-red radiation in quanta amounts (quanta are packets of energy like the photons). If you touch the underside of a fender or hood metal, that will also be hot. How did the heat get to the underside of a sheet of metal?

We have to find out what heat does to atoms and molecules. Atoms (and molecule) move all the time, except at Absolute Zero, we think. Gas atoms (neon), and gas molecules (two bonded oxygen atoms), can move from place to place because of the temperature of their environment ys above Absolute Zero. This type of movement is due to Translational Energy. It's the reason you can smell someone's cologne from across several feet of space in the room. The cologne molecules have traveled from there to the inside of your nose.

Another thing atoms and molecules can do is vibrate and the frequency of vibration increases with the amount of heat energy absorbed. We call that Vibrational Energy.

And finally, atoms and molecules can rotate. This increases with heat applied and is called Rotational Energy.

The reason your car's fender doesn't fly away is that all of these movements are going in all different directions at the same time, so their effects are cancelled out and the fender stays there on the car. Gas molecules can move, being unrestricted by forces from other molecules, etc.

The underside of the fender or hood is hot because the infre-red energy penetrates the metal and the energy from the near-surface atoms has been transferred from atom to atom below, changing their characteristics. Visible light is higher on the energy scale in the electromagnetic spectrum than the infra-red energy (heat). Infra-red means "below red" of the light spectrum which runs from violet to red.

Imagine what light energy is doing to any material based on the interaction of infra-red energy and matter just described. Tom Wilson had an archive of different materials and textures to which he could refer in his photographic work.

This principle is one of the Thermodynamic LAWS which states that matter-energy can neither be created anew or destroyed, but can only be changed in form. A LAW in Science is universal and is absolute in certainty, and is above a theory, which is above an hypothesis, in factual coverage and certitude.

And yes, laws and theories and hypotheses in science can change. That is the history of science over the past centuries. But the challenging ideas must be based on fact and reason.

As far as assassination talk is concerned, all the LNs and the CTs, strictly speaking, have been talking about various hypotheses, not yet to the level of certitude of theory. But, the some of the CTs are getting pretty close to theory right now. in my opinion.

Adele
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