Jim is of course right, 9/11 is more important than the assassination of JFK. However, I would justify this research with the claim that they are both part of the same conspiracy. By discovering what happened in 1963 will help us understand what is going on now. The only real reason for the study of history is that it is really about finding out about the present. The role of the historian is to show the connections between these events.

The start of this worldwide conspiracy began in the 17th century. It was at this time that people began demanding universal suffrage. They were only a small minority but they were highly dangerous people. Their ideas were based on something Aristotle said: “When quarrels and complaints arise, it is when people who are equal have not got equal shares.”

Inequality is the source of all conflict. It became clear to a few individuals that they only way you were going to obtain an harmonious society was to create one based on equal rights. The ruling elites were horrified by this idea. It posed a direct threat to the wealth and privileges they enjoyed. They knew that any truly egalitarian society would redistribute wealth and power. Therefore it was decided by ruling elites throughout the world that they would have to use this power to suppress this desire for equality. For hundreds of years they had distorted the teaching of Jesus Christ to justify inequality. Only occasionally had religious figures like John Ball and George Fox emerged to question this philosophy. However, it had not been too difficult to suppress the ideas of these people.

The 17th century caused particular problems for the ruling elites. The reason for this was the development of mass produced forms of communication. It was now possible for just a few to communicate with a very large number. Those few divergent thinkers who obtained an understanding of how the system worked, naturally became interested in communicating this to a wide audience. They became writers and publishers. Therefore, to maintain control, the ruling elite had to take control of all forms of mass communications. Those who refused to be censored (or bribed) had to be punished severely.

The desire for democracy became very closely linked to the struggle for freedom of expression. The radical journalist became a key figure in this struggle. One man who was involved in this battle was Henry Hetherington. His name has been airbrushed out of history but when he died thousands of people attended his funeral. In 1831 Hetherington began publishing a newspaper called The Poor Man’s Guardian. Above the title was the words: “Knowledge is Power”. It became the slogan adopted by all those fighting for democracy. People like Hetherington realised that for their dreams to be realised, they had to compete with the ruling elites for the minds of the people.

Those in favour of democracy and freedom of expression had many victories but the ruling elite always won the war. They were always had the power to adapt the reforms that took place to their own advantage.

Some countries even had revolutions. Most notably in France and Russia. These were only short-lived affairs and in essence involved one ruling elite replacing another ruling elite. These revolutions were then used to prevent the emergence of true democracy in other countries. Those seeking radical reform were accused of being followers of foreign revolutionaries. The examples of these revolutions inspired some but frightened a great deal more. Not surprisingly, most people questioned the wisdom of revolutionary action when they always resulted in a great deal of bloodshed followed by the betrayal of the ideas that had inspired the revolution. Understandably, the idea of gradual reform was considered to be a far better option.

The problem was that these reforms were always undermined by the unequal distribution of power and wealth that continued to exist in these societies. Money was therefore used to corrupt political leaders. This eventually became built into the system. To gain political power you had to raise a considerable amount of money. The people who provided this money wanted something back in return. This meant control of party policy. In some cases, this money was linked to government action that favoured a particular company or industry.

In 1937 a new development emerged. It all started with a meeting between Lyndon Johnson and two brothers, George and Herman Brown. As a result Brown & Root won the Marshall Ford Dam contract. This was worth $27,000,000. It is not known how much profit the company made from the deal. However, in a letter written to LBJ, George Brown, admitted the company was set to make a $2m profit out of just a small part of the deal worth only $5m.

During the Second World War this corrupt network made millions. In 1942 the Brown brothers established the Brown Shipbuilding Company. Over the next three years the company built 359 ships and employed 25,000 people. This was worth $27,000,000. This contract was eventually worth $357,000,000. Yet until they got the contract, Brown & Root had never built a single ship of any type.

Another key player in this was John McCone. He established the California Shipbuilding Company. This was a successful move and in 1946 it was recorded that the company made $44 million in wartime profits on an investment of $100,000.
McCone went on to serve in Eisenhower’s government (Deputy to the Secretary of Defense and Under Secretary of the Air Force. He was of course head of the CIA when JFK was assassinated.

After the Second World War this network became known as the Military Industrial Congressional Complex (MICC). Other countries had other names for this new phenomena. In some countries in the western world it never even acquired a name but it always took place.

The basic idea behind the MICC is that the country is threatened by an ideology. For most of the 20th century this ideology was communism. The actual ideology is not in itself important as long it can be associated with a foreign power. To defend yourself against this ideology you need to spend a great deal of money on armaments. This money should be given to particular companies in the form of government contracts. To ensure they got these contracts these companies paid large sums of money to the politicians and the political parties responsible for granting these contracts.

In a true democracy this corrupt system would never have survived. Although in theory every adult in the western world has the vote, that does not matter as long as the ruling elite kept control of the means of communication. In some countries they used crude methods such as the state control of the television industry. In the west more sophisticated methods of shaping the minds of electorate were used.

This system worked very well until the election of John F. Kennedy. Not that he was elected with a commitment to destroying the MICC. He might not have been aware of it in 1960 and was probably confused by Dwight Eisenhower’s last speech as president when the term Military Industrial Complex for the first time (Eisenhower dropped the word Congressional from the original speech written by Malcolm Moos).

In 1960 JFK was a Cold War warrior who was fully convinced by the need to spend a large sum of money defending the “free world” from communism. In fact, during his presidential campaign he criticised Eisenhower and the Republican Party for not spending enough on armaments.

No, JFK was a problem because he was independently wealthy. He had not been one of those drawn into the MICC network of corruption. Therefore there was the danger that JFK might want to dismantle this system once he found out about it. However, this was considered to be highly unlikely. Lyndon Johnson, the central figure in the MICC, was confident that JFK could be dissuaded from taking such action. It would not have been an issue if it had not been for Cuba. It was the conflict with this small island that revealed to JFK the problems of the MICC. The key event was the Cuban Missile Crisis. As far as the public was concerned this event had resulted in a diplomatic triumph for JFK. He had emerged from the crisis as a heroic cold war warrior. JFK knew differently. He was aware of just how close the world had come to nuclear war. JFK had come to the conclusion that the MICC and the Cold War had brought the world to the edge of extinction.

This in itself would not have changed most politicians. But JFK was not a typical politician. He was an intellectual (very unusual in an politician). He thought deeply about things. He decided it was his responsibility to bring an end to the Cold War. However, he could not do this openly. JFK knew he would be destroyed by the media if he made it clear what he was doing. He was also aware that the MICC would never allow him to openly enter into such negotiations. If he was going to do this, it would have to be in secret. During the summer of 1963 JFK began to use a few key figures such as William Attwood and Lisa Howard, to set up these secret negotiations. Unfortunately, JFK did not know about the key role played by the CIA in the MICC. It soon became clear that JFK would have to be removed from office.

The conspiracy was a great success. The MICC had virtually full control over all forms of mass communication in America. There were some brave people, mainly journalists, who tried to explain to the people what had taken place. However, it was not too difficult to portray them as communist agents or from suffering from some form of mental illness. When that failed, as in the case of Dorothy Kilgallen and Lisa Howard, these people had to be murdered.

The MICC emerged from the JFK crisis virtually unscathed. The next crisis for them came in 1989. The collapse of communism in Eastern Europe caused serious problems for the MICC. Surely the people would start demanding a reduction in military spending now that the main enemy had lost its power base. Most people would now realise that these obscene sums of money should be spent on improving the quality of life of the less fortunate members of society. Was it not to logically to spend most of this money on education, health care, pensions, etc.?

If the power of the MICC was to continue, a new enemy had to be discovered. However, this was a problem. The military power of the United States was such that no country would take them on. It took them some time before they realised who this new enemy would be. Eventually they came up with the idea of the Muslim Fundamentalists. This was ideal as they did not think in the same ways as previous enemies had. They were willing to die for the cause. They were the only ones who would be willing to physically attack America. This had to happen because otherwise people would have begun to question the need to spend so much on defending the country.

I am not saying that 9/11 was organized by the MICC. In fact, I believe this is highly unlikely. However, it was not in their interests to stop it happening. It is for this reason that the CIA missed all those clues. As with the JFK assassination, the intelligence services pleaded guilty to incompetence rather than complicity.

The main link between the assassination of JFK and 9/11 is that it was the MICC who benefited. That could be a coincidence. Or it could be evidence that they were both events in the same conspiracy. The conspiracy to prevent the world from achieving democracy.

Very interesting post, John. Deserves great reflection!
I cannot believe that the CIA, or our government, had knowledge of 9/11 and let it happen. However, I remarked on a different thread that I think the restrictions placed on the CIA as a result of the Church Committee revelations about theCIA assassination plots most likely impeded the CIA's ability to discover the 9/11 plot.
Kennedy was indeed an intellectual, I've discovered that reading some biographies of JFK (books not concentrating on the assassination). What comes to my mind (from memory only) is JFK's writings as a journalist regarding the founding of the UN. I am confident that you are correct that, as an intellectual, he learned a lot from the Cuban missile crisis when the world teetered on the brink of apocalypse. It is also true, I think, that the threat of nuclear war constrained leaders in both the US and the Soviet Union, which prevented the Cold War from becoming WWIII (and bought the time necessary for the collapse of Communism).

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I had this thought (again it is on another thread but I'd like to repeat it): I doubt that JFK could have achieved passage of the civil rights bills pending at the time of his death, but LBJ was able to get them passed in large part because of the "good will" engendered by JFK's assassination. The civil rights bills (of both 1964 and 1965) helped to transform American society for the better, although we certainly still have a long way to go. The enfranchisement of blacks by the Voting Rights Act of 1965 certainly was a significant step toward a more democratic America. So whether JFK's death was at the hands of a lone nut (well, a few people still cling to that) or a conspiracy guided by persons not yet identified, it was not in vain but, as tragic as it was, there was some good that flowed from it. That, I think, helps make him truly a martyr.

9/11 has precisely pretextualized the usurpation of concerns about civilian control of the military and individual civil rights that carry back to the founding fathers. Having visited Israel in July, 1975, as well as Beirut during that very moment of transitional history, I have always been a devoted supporter of Israel. But I cannot help but see Mossad's hidden hand in the performances of bin Laden, who has been the Bush administration's most effective supporter. I see Bush and bin Laden as co-dependents.

Tim

Come on, now, Tim: one conspiracy at a time!

But: see
http://www.killtown.911review.org/lonegunmen.html

Had you seen this before? (Boy, I checked the link and it is not where I was trying to go, but for now, I'll leave it as it is. Try it!)

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John:

Brilliant analysis. Every "Christian" who voted for W needs to read this and understand this. (Of course they will do neither).

Your piece was perfect timing for what I needed to read today.

Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite.
(At least I think that is what she was trying to say, thread being gone I can't go back and recheck).

Jim: 9-11 is very important, but as John and Tim so elequently pointed
it's all tied together. Always ask: "Who benefited?"

This forum is GREAT folks!!!

Dawn

("Starting Over", in more ways than one.)

John,

Warning, you probably won't like this post...

With all due respect, your post reads like the leftist manifesto.

I believe that JFK was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy, but I stop well short of tying all world history to the same source. I do this because of the not so smalll encumberance called proof (as opposed to supposition). I also believe that theories like this, especially in the abscence of proof , are very damaging to efforts to engage officialdom/public opinion in any further quest for the truth.

I'll go further to suggest that it is this very type of thinking (or the propagation of it) that leads to the strong, worldwide anti-American sentiment which seems to prevail presently. IMO, it is at the heart of the " they had it ( 911) coming "attitude, when in reality, there really was/is no moral equivalent to the motivations behind, or the actions that culminated in 911.

I sincerely hope that educators (of all political stripes), with the unique power inherent in their positions, conduct themselves responsibly by limiting their teaching of history to that which is known to be true ie.) has a proven basis in fact.

As I look at this generation; hear their opinions ;and watch them put their ideas into actions, I am more inclined to believe that as opposed to having benefitted from the great potential for enlightenment that this age of information posesses, they are more, and more the victims of (well?) disguised misinformation. Small wonder, when news now exists as an editorial (opinion), and cyberspace is mired in a mass of blogs (still more opinion).


Ian

That is not true. I always enjoy a debate. However, you do seem a bit confused by my position. According to my dictionary a manifesto is a “public declaration of intensions by a political party before an election”. My posting was an attempt to show the links between the JFK assassination and 9/11. I put this in the context of the long struggle to obtain democracy and freedom of expression. I suppose that might make me a “leftist” (whatever this is). However, I would have thought you would have been able to grasp that I am hostile to both left and right wing governments who have undermined these two basic values.



Why do people on the right always insist on calling critics of George Bush as anti-American? As this forum proves, America is full of decent people committed to democracy and freedom of speech. Jim Marrs, whose quotation started this thread is a good example of this great tradition. I don’t know if Jim is a “leftist” or “rightist”. I don’t particularly care. What I do know is that he is fully committed to democracy and freedom of speech. What is more, he is willing to spend considerable time doing something about it. No doubt at great personal risk to himself. That is why people like Jim Marrs and Henry Hetherington are my heroes. When we eventually get our democratic society, it is these brave journalists who we will be able to thank for it. There will be few politicians on that list.



You sound like Bob Vernon in this passage. Am I really an irresponsible educator for expressing such opinions? Do you think that any student (or adult for that matter) will be brainwashed by these comments? It is of course impossible for a lone individual, especially someone with the sort of divergent views that I have, to brainwash anyone. That is what governments and media corporations do. All I can do is to ask awkward questions. To encourage people to think the unthinkable. That is of course what a lot of people do on this forum. I am proud to be a member of that group.

Anyway, don’t blame my views on the younger generation. I am close to reaching 60. However, I still think like I did when I was 20. I have never allowed the system to crush my belief in a better future. Nor have I allowed myself to be bought off. The struggle continues.



I am afraid this view is too common amongst JFK researchers. This is an attempt to take the politics out of the assassination. If the JFK assassination was just a case of murder I would not be interested in the subject. There are plenty of unsolved crimes. The JFK assassination was not an ordinary murder, it was a coup d’etat. A democratically elected government was removed from office. That is something all of the world’s citizens have to be concerned about.

I have been very hesitant to say anything about this 9/11 business, and I defensively prefaced my comment by citing my quarter century as an unreservedly staunch supporter of Israel, but I could no longer restrain myself when I read Jim Marrs' post on the timely relevance of this inquiry. You are correct about my having slammed Pam's constant blame of the Israelis, including recitation of James Files' assertion of the Mossad possessing an aerial film of the JFK assassination. That is nutsville, and the constant repetition of the Jews did it mentality did/does not sit well with me. I'm still a supporter of Israel as I am of America, but the countries are not the same thing as their leaders. I don't hold the average Israeli to blame for that country's Nazi-like prime minister's policies any more than I would want to be blamed for Bush and Co.'s.

Tim

Have you read Jim Marrs's book Inside Job? Or David Ray Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor?

I think it is fairly clear from the evidence that 9/11 was a covert military/intelligence operation. This evidence includes the complete inaction of the Defense Command Authority (officially the president and secretary of defense) during the attacks, with the spectacle of Rumsfeld hiding in his office, the Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs hiding in Max Cleland's office on Capitol Hill, and the president continuing to listen to a goat story in a Florida schoolhouse. Some would call the total inaction of the DCA during an attack on the nation acts of treason, but instead those who attack these "leaders" are looked upon as treasonous (un-American).

Anyway, "Who benefited?" The military industrial complex, which had the added advantage of a virtual coup in the form of the neocon Project for the New American Century (PNAC, of which Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and several others now running the Bush regime were members) assuming key positions in government to further the PNAC agenda of democratic imperialism through "transformation of warfare" which would be hastened, as the PNAC wrote in 2000 in what amounted to wishful thinking, if there were some catastrophe like "a new Pearl Harbor." This was a coup in that hardly anyone had heard of PNAC and its agenda until after the 2000 election. Bush was elected, and the PNAC simply moved in. A few months later, they had their new Pearl Harbor.

For simplicity, this combination of the MIC and PNAC may be simply called the "warlovers," with plans on the table for invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq even before 9/11, the spoils of war in this case being, aside from all the money for Halliburton etc., control of Middle East energy resources. But 9/11, i.e. a casus belli, was first needed, just as Roosevelt needed one in 1941 to take an isolationist America to war.

The evidence in the JFK assassination also points to a covert military/intelligence operation, with the intelligence component most apparent in the murder itself, and the military component most apparent in the cover-up (sham autopsy etc.). Again those who benefited were the warlovers, in this case war in Vietnam, along with all the money therein for Halliburton (which had bought Brown & Root) etc., control of the Southeast Asian drug trade, and whatever else could be gained out of those two old standbys, death and destruction.

In a lawsuit filed in a US district court, an unnamed CIA agent, described as a 22-year veteran of the agency's counter-proliferation department, accuses his former supervisors of demanding that he alter his intelligence reporting to conform to the views of CIA management in the run-up to the war on Iraq.

The action marks the first time the CIA, which proclaimed that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of WMD, has been publicly accused by one of its employees of exerting pressure to produce reports that would help the Bush administration make its case to go to war on Saddam.

One former CIA employee said the process described by the analyst - pressure and retaliation - was a familiar bureaucratic response to agents who did not conform.
The agent's refusal to tailor his reports had, he claims, a disastrous effect on a career that had previously been marked by regular promotions and a CIA medal for the operative's recruitment of moles who penetrated a nuclear weapons programme in another Middle Eastern country.

"The complaint alleges that there was a pre-war dogma at the CIA concerning weapons of mass destruction, and my client's reports were contrary to the dogma," said Roy Krieger, who represents the agent. "My client was told to conform to the dogma. He refused and retribution followed."

Court papers describe how the "plaintiff was subsequently advised by CIA management that his report did not support the earlier assessment... and instructed that if he did not alter his report to support this assessment, it would not be received well by the intelligence community".

A year later, the agent obtained intelligence from a "highly respected human asset", which he tried to pass on to his superiors, the complaint says. "Plaintiff was later instructed that he should prepare no written report of the matter", and received assurances that the CIA chief would personally brief the president.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...1370577,00.html

I wonder if the same thing happened to CIA agents following the JFK assassination. Several would have been aware that Oswald was a CIA agent. Others would have known of the links between David Morales, William Harvey and David Phillips with the assassination. Did any of them suffer from “pressure and retaliation”?

I agree 100% with Jim Marrs that 911 is 3000 times more important than the JFK assassination. I have studied the alleged events of 9-11-01 for three years and it is clearly a US government operation.

If Mr. Simkin would start a separate 911 research category, I would be an eager contributor.

Attached is Dan Rather describing the CONTROLLED DEMOLITION of Building Seven, which had not been hit by planes nor suffered any significant damage...and suspiciously housed important government offices.

Jack White

Jack,

I agree that 9/11 was a "US government operation," but the influence and interests of the Mossad lead me to ask the question: to whom does the U.S. government belong? As for the "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION of Building Seven," I would say that the perfectly vertical demolition of the towers themselves constitutes the greatest, and most competent skyscraper demolition in history. The best in the business could not have brought those towers down as perfectly with months of work. Random jet fuel heat would surely have toppled one corner faster than others, leading to a toppling effect. Those suckers came straight down - it defies all physical probability, perhaps even possibility. 9/11 was the ultimate counter-intelligence operation - a contemporary reflection of the Operation Northwoods mindset.

Tim

The controlled demolition of the twin towers at least had an alleged excuse (hijacked airliner impacts).

Building Seven was a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, ordered by owner Larry Silverstein. Building Seven had a tiny fire on a lower floor, and was not damaged by airplanes or falling debris. Below, watch it fall.

Thanks for your reply.

Jack

The airliner impacts were nothing but a stagecrafted "excuse;" all of the buildings collapsed as a result of remarkably competent controlled demolitions.

Tim

Tim,

According to an architechtural engineer interviewed on a recent episode of " Frontiers of Construction " aired on the Dicovery Channel, the toppling effect , under the circumstances, given the design characteristics of large buildings like the Trade tower, is itself, a physical impossibility. The jet fuel that wasn't dissipated in the giant fireball immediately post impact, spilled onto floors immediately above and below the area of impact, igniting fires that burned sufficiently hot to weaken the structure components of the building. Some of that fuel also ran down elevator shafts which caused fires and a similar structural comprimise on lower floors. The program showed a computer animation of the theorized effect that theses fires had on the building, onto which the actual footage of impact and aftermath were superimposed. The reason that the building came straight down was gravity. Once the structural components on or near the point of impact were sufficiently weakened, the weight of the upper floors caused a gravity induced pancaking effect to take place.

The tremendous, and overwhelming weight of the upper portion of the building caused the irresistable force of gravity, to act on the structure and it's components in a vertical vector. In order to achieve a toppling effect, some other force greater than the force exerted by the weight of the upper floors would have had to have acted in a different direction. The structural components simply couldn't bear the weight from above, and crumpled in a chain reaction in the direction of the force. To expect the building to fall in any other way would require an active imagination and a total disregard for simple physics.

So far as I know, the laws of physics aren't under any immediate threat by conspiracy, or otherwise ie.) unless oneis also willing to accept ideas like the SBT...
Ian

John,

Thanks for the reply. I've read it and accept it as your position - for me, no further comment is necessary.

I look forward to working with you (and others on the forum ) to achieve our common objective.

regards,

Ian

Ron is right to point out the link between Brown & Root and Halliburton. As I have argued earlier, the Military Industrial Congressional Complex network began in 1937 when Lyndon Johnson joined up with the Brown brothers. Herman Brown (1) died in 1962. George Brown (2) decided to sell the business to Halliburton. As well as joining Halliburton, he also served on the board of other companies involved in the MICC.

During the Vietnam War Brown & Root won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had condemned Brown and Root “for massive accounting lapses”. Brown & Root became a target for anti-war protesters who called the firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" (3).

Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration. Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam - allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability.

In his book, Cronies: Oil, the Bushes, and the Rise of Texas, America's Superstate, Robert Bryce argues that Texas’ powerful crony network, centered around the energy industry, has come to dominate national politics. Bryce traces how Texas energy companies and law firms have propelled politicians from Lyndon B. Johnson to George W. Bush to power and how the candidates rewarded their backing once in office. (4)

Dan Briody’s book, The Halliburton Agenda, explains the workings of the MICC works in America today. (5) In 1992 Dick Cheney, head of the US Department of Defence, gave a $3.9m contract (a further $5m was added later) to Kellog Brown & Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton. The contract involved writing a report about how private contractors could help the Pentagon deal with 13 different “hot spots” around the world.

The KBR report remains a classified document. However, the report convinced Cheney to award a umbrella contract to one company to deal with these problems. This contract, which became known as the Logistics Civil Augmentation Programme (Logcap), was of course awarded to KBR. It is an unique contract and is effectively a blank cheque from the government. KBR makes it money from a built in profit percentage. When your profit is a percentage of the cost, the more you spend, the more you make.

KBR’s first task was to go to Somalia as part of Operation Restore Hope. KBR arrived before the US Army. Over the next few months KBR made a profit of $109.7m. In August 1994 KBR made $6.3m in Rwanda. Later that year they received $150m profit from its work in Haiti. KBR made its money from building base camps, supplying troops with food and water, fuel and munitions, cleaning latrines and washing clothes.

The contract came up for renewal in 1997. By this time Cheney had been appointed as CEO of Halliburton. The Clinton administration gave the contract to Dyncorp. The contract came to an end in 2001. Cheney was now back in power and KBR won back the Logcap contract. This time it was granted for ten years. The beauty of this contract is that it does not matter where the US armed forces are in action, the KBR makes money from its activities. However, the longer the troops stay, the more money it makes.

KBR is now busy in Iraq (it also built the detention cells in Guantanamo Bay). What is more Halliburton was given the contract for restoring the Iraqi oil infrastructure (no competitive bid took place).

Cheney sold his stock options in Halliburton for $30m when he became vice president. He claimed he had got rid of all his financial interests in Halliburton. However, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) discovered that he has been receiving yearly sums from Halliburton: $205,298 (2001), $162,392 (2002), etc. They also found he still holds 433,333 unexercised stock options in Halliburton.

Notes and References

1. Herman Brown: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbrownH.htm

2. George Brown: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbrownG.htm

3. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483

4. Robert Bryce, Cronies: Oil, the Bushes, and the Rise of Texas, America's Superstate (2004)

5. Dan Briody, The Halliburton Agenda (2004)

Ian,

I agree with your position. As far as you other guys, my God, you need to take a break from the conspiracy business. Controlled explosions took down the two towers? It was a US government operation? Someone blew the dust off Operation Northwoods and put it into effect? There are some pretty simple answers to the oblivious attitudes in the government prior to 9/11. The Clinton administration warned the Bush camp during the transition period after Bush was elected. They were briefed about terrorism and bin Laden. The Bush league chose to ignore it, choosing instead to play the "bring me the head of Saddam Hussein" game. Ian is correct in the assessment of how those towers fell. I despise Bush, Chaney, and their cohorts. But to say they would allow the deaths of 3000 people(it could have been over 10,000) is ludicrous at best. I suppose the next thing said will be that former New York City police commissioner Bernie Kerik withdrew himself from consideration as Homeland Security Secretary because he found out that 9/11 was a government plot. Two airliners and complete ignorance on the part of the Bush administration brought down those towers. Do you actually think that if Bush, Cheney and gang were plotting the demise of Iraq, and anticipating raking in billions in profit for certain US companies, they would want a major interruption like 9/11?
I consider myself to be rather open minded, but I also buy into Occam's razor. All things considered, the simplest explanation is probably correct. I don't believe a world wide conspiracy that involved thousands killed JFK, just as I don't believe the Larouche puppet at Lancer who claimed the British monarchy was behind it, no matter how much "evidence" he spewed. And to get into someone's face for not reading a particular book, give me a break. Sorry, I don't find Pam Ray's take on world events as "interesting", and if Jim "Lyndon Larouche Jr" Harwood was to write a book I wouldn't run out and buy it. On second thought, maybe I do have a closed mind when it comes to over the edge speculation, fringe opinions and untenable positions.

RJS

I would say that the perfectly vertical demolition of the towers themselves constitutes the greatest, and most competent skyscraper demolition in history. The best in the business could not have brought those towers down as perfectly with months of work. Random jet fuel heat would surely have toppled one corner faster than others, leading to a toppling effect. Those suckers came straight down - it defies all physical probability, perhaps even possibility.

Richard:

Your concept of Occam's Razor re 9/11 is not unlike the SBT. According to your rationale, the entire science of building demolition can be rewritten to something far simpler: douse a tall building with jet fuel part way down from the top and set it ablaze. The four corners will melt uniformly, regardless of the random application of said jet fuel. The simple and inexplicably uniform melting of the corners will cause the top part of the building to demolish the entire building perfectly vertically, with no toppling effect. Who woulda thunk it?

Tim

Hello Mr. White,

The universe's Greatest known fact; (Einstein)
e... IS ...m
or it's perfectly correct to say;
m... IS ...e

I believe it's fact;
11/22/63... IS ...911
or
911... IS ...11/22/63

Both equations sound scary, but their simplicities can be Very Easily understood by the average person. (i understand.) Lets plan to ILLUSTRATE to the people the situations and answers. They will understand and know what do to.

>Jack White>>> If Mr. Simkin would start a separate 911 research category, I would be an eager contributor. <<<

I agree 100%. But my fear is;
42 years later in 2042, thanks to (our) 911 research, 82% of the people may well think 911 was a gov operation, but just like 11/22/63 research, it will equal practically NOTHING in accomplishing righting the wrong.

So I vote, COMBINE JFK and 911.
Reasons:
1. The two WILL connect. 911 IS 11/22/63. (say bye-bye to anyone who may have been involved with 11/22/63, but escaped the (our) 911 investigation. Clean house of JFK perpetrators in our gov, or riding the 911 criminals will be small stuff. They will still own us--and just do it again, plus protect their 911 buddies.)
2. JFK public awareness comes first because, …you (we) easily have enough evidence for a verdict Now! 82% of the public already know there’s a JFK problem. Show your JFK evidence on TV! TEE VEE- is the mass educator. We best like pictures on TV or Oliver Stone movies, and then we act in mass. Remember? People power is a must in a REAL 911 investigation. It’s an unheard of power for over 30 years. "THE PEOPLE" will enjoy their part in cleaning out the dirt. Reach them! They are the ONLY power we have to force cooperation from gov types. PEOPLE will be upset when they see on TV, the hindrances given to JFK researchers by the gov. They will react if the gov is disobedient to a request for some small 911 information request from them. We need people as much as researchers at this time.
Residents geo and jeb bush, will Never help us. We know that!

11/22/63 facts came in piecemeal, in books, with no coalition. Was that the mistake?
Let’s not make mistakes this time. THE PEOPLE are numerous and Hot to hear what really happened. Plan to show them.
Unite and involve People, JFK, and 911, on a TV show that is entertaining, educational, and fun.
(Yes, there is a plan that allows Egos to unite.)

I would prefer to submit to Mr. Simkin that along with a separate 911 research category that he also start another new category entitled, maybe, ... "101 marketing plans desperately needed from 101 people that show how best to excite and concern 280m Americans into gaining and involving their attention into 11/22/63--911 so they can even help researchers regarding gathering info and facts, and Mainly lending their essential People Power to the acquiring of the info and facts from the Sources who Own, Protect, and even hide those facts." (....Mr. Simkin, ok to shorten title.

We must have "A PLAN" now.
Put in motion Now. Right now. As you research.
A plan saying, a "Peoples 911 coalition” is working and researching now. And will report. The People must know its coming, follow its progress, respect it, and read and understand it. They, with advice, will know what to do with it.

Do you have "A PLAN" that explains how to get the 'People' into Wanting to see your report Mr. White or Mr. Marrs, so that it will have maximum impact? Okay if you don’t! Leave it to us 101 little marketing people to come up with a plan for you. You just research and write it. We've been waiting for three years for you and your community, you know? You have a good team here. We've lost a lot. We're available to you now, unlike 1963. Use us well.

While you work, do you want us to work on 'a plan', to interest 'the people' of your research communities future findings, release dates, ETC?

Richard Pullen

Ps. Mr. White, I've read you for years. Wanted to say hello in other forums- but those weren't --really forums IMO. So I just watched. And waited. This is my second post ever to any JFK discussion, and I thank John Simkin.
Courage is a quality all CT'ers have. I envy you courageous Mark Lane types. You’re wonderful.
I must, in public, add my opinion of an extra adjetive to you, Jack White;
Your just plain, "Unafraid" from what I've seen! Unafraid to hit, or be hit. Unafraid to be wrong. Unafraid to try, or to go first into unknowns. That’s Special! Hope I didn't embarrass. Thanks!

I would like to join Richard in his praise for Jack who has shone a very bright light into the conspiracy darkness for decades. It was his photographic work that got me interested all those years ago. To share ideas with the likes of Jack White in forums like this in invaluable and indeed a very great pleasure.

James

That may all be true, but I believe it is James Richards from Australia who brings the most to the evidence table. Thanks for the posts.

Jim, do you know who that is in Wim's site in the film with Frank Sturgis? Wim Dankbaar offers one thousand dollars if you can identify who is getting an arms lesson on film with Sturgis and some commandos. DO you know what I'm talking about? Why is it so important?

Thank you for the nice words, Shanet.

According to Gerry Hemming and some other guys who were there at the time and wish to remain nameless, the guy was a UPI reporter out of Knoxsville, Tennessee; name unknown.

The film the still image was taken from was shot at an airfield run by Paul Poppenhager in 1961.

I know Wim doubts this but I have heard it from several sources and I have no reason at this time to doubt them.

FWIW.

James

"According to your rationale, the entire science of building demolition can be rewritten to something far simpler: douse a tall building with jet fuel part way down from the top and set it ablaze. The four corners will melt uniformly, regardless of the random application of said jet fuel. The simple and inexplicably uniform melting of the corners will cause the top part of the building to demolish the entire building perfectly vertically, with no toppling effect."

Let's be real Tim. That's not what happened. The design of the building, the crashed airliners, and the burning jet fuel were all contributing factors. The building fell exactly as would be anticipated under the circumstances.

"Your concept of Occam's Razor re 9/11 is not unlike the SBT"

The SBT was and is not the simplest explanation, all things considered, although the WC tried to make it so. IMO you cannot compare 9/11 to the SBT or the JFK assassination for that matter, with the possible exception of the moronic attempts at covering up by the Bush administration(and unfortunately, the American public's wearing of blinders). And not that there was an American conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center, but that the Bush's Iraq policy superceded the Clinton, CIA, and high ranking dissenter projections that terrorists such as bin Laden would attack us and were ignored. More can be tied to the assassination regarding current Bush policy against Cuba and for Cuban exiles than 9/11.

RJS

Hi Peter,

How is life treating you lately? Everything okay in Prague?

Wim

James
I watched the film thru Wim's site.
(I thought it was the Band, with Bob Dylan in the black sweater).

NO Seriously, it shows Frank Sturgis on a hill top out of doors with about ten others showing a gentleman how to take the safety off of a loaded handgun.
It has the cheesy feel of a paramilitary guy giving a press demonstration.
Do you think Wim is suggesting the tentative Knoxville press member is an Oswald lookalike? Its worth watching, for Sturgis...Fiorini.
Lot of material recently, thanks for everything/

RJS appears to be totally ignorant of the issues of 9-11-01.

Jack

Thanks for the kind words, Richard. I just try to do my part to expose
lies and wrongdoing in our "official" history.

Jack

NO Seriously, it shows Frank Sturgis on a hill top out of doors with about ten others showing a gentleman how to take the safety off of a loaded handgun.
It has the cheesy feel of a paramilitary guy giving a press demonstration.
Do you think Wim is suggesting the tentative Knoxville press member is an Oswald lookalike? Its worth watching, for Sturgis...Fiorini.
Lot of material recently, thanks for everything/ (Shanet Clark)

Hi Shanet,

The piece of film in question was originally shown on an Italian documentary titled 'The Two Kennedys'. I do believe in some quarters that the suggestion is the UPI guy is Oswald; I do not believe it is.

What is interesting though is in that gathering of people is Marita Lorenz (see below). That is Sturgis on the far right and Lorenz in the black.

FWIW.

James

That film is on my website:

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/reward.htm


FWIW, I DO believe it is Lee Oswald (with Frank Sturgis)

Wim

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Dear Richard Pullen

THANK YOU for posting, you post has made my day. After reading the horrible news about Gary Webb, and reading some more bad news....I read your post.

And thank you John- (again)- for providing this forum. The truth is out there and we need to unite and stay on point, connect the dots, and educate those who just don't want to know. Then, at least we will know that we have tried.


Dawn

While the Warren Commission, HSCA, and 9/11 Commission were all exercises in whitewash, it is interesting to note the difference in the amount of information provided to the public. Though there are documents still withheld, the WC gave us 26 volumes of material and information. The HSCA gave us 12 volumes. The 9/11 Commission gave us 1 volume, a total of 567 pages.

I think this steady decline in volumes provided, from 26 to 12 to 1, is instructive. It can be seen as reflecting the fact that over the years the American people have come to expect less and less information or truth from their government.

The notes in the 9/11 report refer to many interviews that were conducted by staff. Those interviews would be of great value to 9/11 researchers, in the same way that published statements and interviews by the WC and HSCA have been of great value to JFK researchers. But the 9/11 interviews are locked away somewhere and may never see the light of day.

A few months ago, I wrote to the 9/11 Commission office while it was still in operation, asking how a copy of an interview might be obtained. I received no reply.

You might have read about the Gary Webb suicide on another thread: (if not, I suggest you do).

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2554

Personally, I do not think he was murdered. However, he was still murdered by the system that punishes those people brave enough to take on organizations like the CIA.

It is worth considering the way the CIA/MI5 work when they are faced with someone who is having success in investigating their illegal activities. Especially when this activity is linked to the worldwide conspiracy against democracy and freedom of expression.

(Stage 1) The researcher is likely to be young and ambitious. If they are working in the field of journalism, they are probably working for a small, radical, independent, media organization. The first stage is to seduce the investigator into the network they can control. They will therefore be offered a job in a major media organization. The important thing is to get them on the ladder. Once there, they are unlikely to sacrifice their career by writing stories that upset those in power. This normally knocks out most crusading journalists. It is a good strategy as no one is usually aware of what has happened (even the person involved will rarely admit to it).

(Stage 2) A few investigators refuse to get on the ladder. They then have to be dealt with in a different way. These people will start receiving anonymous threats against their children or other loved ones. Most investigators succumb to this threat. Even if you only think there is a 10% chance of it being true, you are unlikely to take risks with the lives of those you love the most.

(Stage 3) Surprisingly some people refuse to give up despite the threats made at Stage 2. It could be said that these people have a personality defect. They do not respond to either bribes or threats. They have to be dealt with in another way. They have to be discredited. Information is planted that suggests they are guilty of some terrible crime, for example, paedophilia. Not that this information is actually published. The threat of this smear taking place is usually enough for someone to end their investigation. After all, they know most people will take the view “there is no smoke without fire”.

(Stage 4) A very small number do not even respond to Stage 3. They suspect the blackmailer is bluffing. Maybe they have the personality that makes it impossible to give in. They continue but they have to constantly deal with false stories about them being planted in the media. They might not be as bad as the threatened paedophilia-type stories but these stories will undermine the investigator’s reputation. This will hurt their career and will cause financial problems. The investigator will begin to suffer from paranoia and depression. It is at this stage the investigator takes their own life.

(Stage 5) When all the previous stages have failed to produce results the investigator will have to be murdered (it is usually made to look like a heart-attack, an accident or suicide).

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And Thank you Dawn,
I know only what I read on the thread here of Gary Webb. I read it eagerly when I saw suicide. That's a bad virus in our community we know. Hopefully, someone will get feedback from a close family member regarding his emotional..... Im mincing aren't I,..... Whether it was suicide or another murder. There!
He'd want us to know I believe.


Im amazed our military thought they could invade an innocent country, Bomb them, burn them, beat them and be arrogant.... Then win their hearts and minds. Didn't they learn anything from the last time!

I look at the net and see 100's of 911 sites and many of them are very enlightening and impressive. These kids are good! But 100’s.... can be cast to the wind. But one big combined site, one big person(s), with one big voice, would/may have weight.

JFK researchers have produced some 300ish observable events that point to political danger. But it’s told in a whisper, with the backlash sounds of ‘black helicopters’ and ‘Elvis is alive’ in the background.
Its plain- we failed to have a voice. We only had facts. Did we learn from that failure?
I believe, send 50 JFK researchers to the 911er’s, explaining their mistake in never creating a voice, but armed now with a plan to gain a loud stereo sound…. And the 911’ers will sit-down, listen, be mesmerized and unite. It’s for our community to this. Not theirs. Did we learn from the last time?

Unbelievable! 2 1/2 YEARS to start a government 911 investigation. Did anyone voice objection to....'that'? I heard no significant voice or screams.
Unbelievable! I mentioned to a Grandfather of 11, that on Dec 9th a law was passed that beginning 18 days from now, all driver license will now have a biotech type ‘hickey’ on them. “Where to you get ‘such’ information,” he asked. He works hard to buy them Nike shoes. Yet he just gave his kids away. No voice told him it wasn’t a political good idea. And in the future, if one of his grandkids farts toward washington, he’ll be arrested for sedition, in his nikes.

Once we went to war and changed a world over Tea.
But it wasn’t really tea. It was just some 100 people who did something. And made them a voice.

Richard Pullen

John:

Brilliant analysis. Every "Christian" who voted for W needs to read this and understand this. (Of course they will do neither).

Your piece was perfect timing for what I needed to read today.

Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite.
(At least I think that is what she was trying to say, thread being gone I can't go back and recheck).

Jim: 9-11 is very important, but as John and Tim so elequently pointed
it's all tied together. Always ask: "Who benefited?"

This forum is GREAT folks!!!

Dawn



Dawn,

I’m taking a break from re-editing my book To Kill A Country and thought I would stop in the Education Forum to see what is happening.

I decided to put the book back together and not have it focus only on the JFK assassination. Some people will have a fit that I’m doing this but the original book was covering a broad spectrum. This includes, but is not limited to by any means, showing how the Mossad and U.S. intelligence agency work hand in hand.

You can find my other post in the “letter from James Files” thread.

Here is sample from the middle of my introduction that I’m re-working and updating.

I was very impressed that he was endangering himself and showed courage to tell the truth about the events surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. In February of 1999 I wrote him a simple letter thanking him for telling the truth. We developed a friendship and on September 6-7, 2000 I visited James Files at Stateville Prison. It was then he asked me to do this book. I said, “Yes, with God’s help.”

It hasn’t been easy to communicate with James Files being a political prisoner of the FBI and CIA, incarcerated at a maximum-security prison. Letters usually take a minimum of two to three weeks to get to him, sensitive information usually a month or longer. Highly monitored, taped phone calls, give or take all the lock-downs, have only been since April 2000.

Little did I know when starting this project I would witness the most horrific terrorist attack on the American people by its own government September 11, 2001. Knowing full well how the U.S. Government really operates, Files has a lot to say on this terrible event and many other “Black-Ops” sanctioned by the leaders of our country. The war has truly come home.

This book is about the truth, unsettling and unimaginable as it might be for some people to comprehend. We want to believe in our leaders and that they are looking out for our best interests as a nation. Sorry to say, this is not true. Power, control and greed are the ends that justify all the inhumane means being implemented on a trusting, propagandized public.

Most of the information presented is in the form interview, James commenting on various articles I have sent to him in prison, articles from the Internet, as well as his original material from TO KILL A COUNTRY. He has a unique “I was there” perspective. We are going to expose and weave the events of history together in such a way that the average person can understand the seemingly disconnected complex issues that confuse and confound the mind of us all concerning The New World Order.

Going around the globe in the name of Freedom and Democracy, United Nations Peacekeeping and plunging the peoples of the world into despair and despotism isn’t what this nation historically stands for. Remember the Protestant Pilgrims? Catholics, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, et cetera weren’t on the boats sailing to freedom. Yes, I’m aware there were Saints and Strangers coming to America, but this high level subversion and treason to our Protestant Constitution has to stop, otherwise we get the CIA’s domestic War on Terrorism thrust upon us, like it or not, while we foot the bill as taxpayers, not to mention having our Bill of Rights ripped away with anti-terrorism legislation.


Satan, the devil, is the main terrorist but a history lesson is in order on the multinational conspiratorial group he malevolently controls, known as the Illuminati; people who worship Lucifer by name. We will be reaching into the high echelons of Freemasonry and other secret groups, the creation of money, the high level infiltration of the State Department with the pro-Zionist lobby, and all of the international intelligence agencies. Get your Bible out and follow along as the Scriptures are opened regarding the prophetic times we live in, especially in the conspiracy for the New World Order section of this book.

Other people in America also share some of my sentiments. The following is from the letters on page 22 in the December 6 & 13, 2004 issue of American Free Press:

“Some in the media have rejoiced over the death of Yasser Arafat, adding the hope the he is the last “celebrity terrorist.”
No, he is not the last. Israel’s prime minister, Ariel Sharon, is still alive. Known as the “Butcher of Beirut,” Sharon led the invasion of Lebanon that brought wholesale death and destruction, and then followed this by massacring women and children in the Palestine refugee camps there – and his horrible crimes continue even now.
Sharon is the only terrorist who can announce he is going to Washington to see the president of the United States and members of Congress and they welcome him with open arms.”

We will look at in detail the CIA’s international media manipulation called Operation Mockingbird, which they hoped you would never find out about. The International Banksters and big-Babylon-business will get their fair share of credit when it comes TO KILL A COUNTRY.

George H.W. Bush, David Rockefeller, and Henry Kissinger need to come up front and center to answer some questions at one of the proposed Military Tribunals set up for terrorists. While were at it, demand Chile’s Augusto Pinochet to come too. After all, he’s a team player.

There are answers.

· We the People insist the scoundrels that are in power leave by volition rather than force. All law enforcement, military and National Guard personnel, I implore you to decide whose side you’re on. Remember the oath you took to defend and protect the Constitution and We the People?

· America needs to start respecting the International Law of Nations. Just for practice, let the Kingdom of Hawaii exercise the right to self-determination and respect the peaceful and lawfully Reinstated Hawaiian Government. www.Reinstated.org.

· Publicly and legally nullify the treaties and laws made against the Protestant Constitution of the United States of America after WWII in San Francisco where a creature from hell was hatched called the United Nations.

· Get the United Nations - read modern Tower of Babel - off American soil and never participate in their peacekeeping again. Bring our young men and women in the military - New World Order cannon fodder- home and defend our country and its borders. What a concept.

· Abolish this King George mentality and stop bombing countries now!

· Quit shutting down people who come up with renewable forms of safe energy besides oil. Besides the known alternative energy sources, release the secret, antimatter, amplification of gravity wave, technology once and for all. We are not children who are unable to deal with the source of this technology.

· American and Israeli intelligence agencies need to quit training terrorists and being the biggest active group terrorizing people on the planet.

· Most definitely get rid of gallons and gallons of the “Satan Bug Virus” out of the underground bunkers in Pine Bluff Arkansas - “one pint can kill every living thing on earth” - and dispose of it safely somehow.

· America needs to quit being the guardian of the Jesuit- Mossad controlled Synagogue of Satan Zionist hard-line Israel. See Revelation 2:9 and John 8: 39-44, Jesus speaking to Jewish religious leaders. Lest anyone accuse me of being anti-Semitic I’m not talking about God’s chosen people, Messianic Hebrews-Jews and the true Israel we are to bless. American citizens, especially Christian Americans, need to differentiate between the two versions of Israel. What would Jesus do? He called liars and all those who reject Him children of the devil. John 8:44.

· You folks in the Holy Land need to stop fighting and killing each other and have a serious Bible study to find out who the real enemy of mankind is. Here is a clue: it isn’t the Palestinian people. Out of love I’m going to tell all of you who are Islamic-Muslim; you are in for a rude awakening thinking that you are going to heaven-paradise for blowing yourself and others up to be a martyr for your “God”. Don’t do it! Especially don’t encourage your precious children to do it! Eternity is a long time to live with a bad decision.

· Declare jubilee and the cancellation of debts; return the creation and supply of interest free money to lawful government represented by the people. Repeal the 16th amendment that taxes everybody literally to death.

· Make all the rich Elite Families return what they have stolen- number one, the power to create money out of thin air, the privately owned Federal Reserve System.

· Establish honest verifiable elections. Outlaw lobbying and only individuals can contribute to election campaigns. Corporations and business cannot be allowed to influence our elections.

· Abolish the NSA, CIA, NRO, FBI, Homeland Security, FEMA and any other subversive “above the law” agency.


· Quit forcing our precious children to be vaccinated with monkey pus, mercury, thimerosal, formaldehyde and other poisons all in the name of modern medicine, later showing up as “incurable diseases” like cancer and autism.

· For a start, bust the Rockefeller’s, and their water boys like Henry Kissinger, Clinton’s and Bush’s for treason, conspiracy, drug smuggling and murder on the scale of genocide.

· Quit being the policeman of the world and constantly creating the best enemy money can buy. Let nations prosper and bless their own. We’re supposed to be a light as a Protestant Christian nation, not enforcers of darkness, lies, and death. Why do you think there is so much international hatred towards the policy makers, politicians and the citizens of America who allow this to continue for years, all in the name of Defending Freedom and Democracy?

· If we want to win the War on Terrorism we better look at our own leaders who only want more power, war and the profits. Don’t forget- the Bin Laden, Bush and yes, the Hussein families have been in business together for years.

· Institute major prison reform and release of all political prisoners who were whistleblowers to this massive corruption.

This is a start. Hey, when Jesus returns, what will you be standing for? This end-time world government has been prophesied in the Bible, but are we supposed to roll over and play dead?

People we better wake up and take action before our freedom is gone forever. All the countries that have already been killed are hoping we will awaken from our slumber and be the true Christian America of all the patriots’ dreams.

The Illuminazi’s at the IRS have all the Protestant pastors, with the threat of loosing their 501c3 tax exemption status, intimidated into not telling the flock that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people (individuals) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Article II, Bill of Rights

Some critics will discount any and all of this information as being true. We will be called conspiracy kooks and right-wing religious fanatics and let’s not forget the ever so politically correct and popular label, anti-government domestic terrorists In the name of National Security attempts will be made to stop this book. Not long after he asked me to do this book Files commented, “They know we’re doing a book back East and it’s making them nervous.”

A reality check is in order. Let’s call a spade a spade. The people who run the United States government are the true terrorists. They lie to us and the CIA-Illuminati-Jesuit-Vatican-pro Zionism controlled media back them up 100%. Remember November 22, 1963? Remember September 11, 2001? This book will refresh your memory.

A clear and present danger is upon us as a nation. Truly, I say to us all; we must awaken before it’s too late. This is not to instill fear but faith and courage because God is with us when we walk in truth and love. Jesus said to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and love our neighbor as ourselves. This could solve a lot of problems. Amen?

Satan lost one of his long-time assassins when James Files was born- again in 1999. The devil is a liar and wants you to think God is your problem and that he – satan - doesn’t even exist. Fear connects people to satan the same way faith in Jesus Christ our only Savior connects us to God our heavenly Father. God is love and perfect love casts out fear.

Terrorism - politically organized use of fear as a weapon to bring terror and oppression - has no power when there is no fear! If you want true peace and safety accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and mean it. I promise the fear of death and its torment will leave you, not to mention the joy of receiving everlasting life here on earth and going to heaven instead of hell. This will not invite you to a life of disconnected ease but “what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” We better get in touch with courage. Persecution for the truth is not a new thing.

Pam:

You are correct that Dawn noted: "Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite."

My response to her was and is as follows:

"You are correct about my having slammed Pam's constant blame of the Israelis, including recitation of James Files' assertion of the Mossad possessing an aerial film of the JFK assassination. That is nutsville, and the constant repetition of the Jews did it mentality did/does not sit well with me. I'm still a supporter of Israel as I am of America, but the countries are not the same thing as their leaders. I don't hold the average Israeli to blame for that country's Nazi-like prime minister's policies any more than I would want to be blamed for Bush and Co.'s."

Tim

American Free Press

BLACK BOX COVER-UP

Rescue workers silenced after exposing 9-11 whitewash

By Greg Szymanski

A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002.

The pair first claimed in an August 2003 book entitled Behind the Scene: Ground Zero to have found the data recorders.

DeMasi said the “black boxes” were found while he traversed “ground zero” in his all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with three federal agents.

FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders.

Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret.

“They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it.

“Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.”

Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents.

“I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.”

Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn’t break a fellow worker’s confidence by revealing his identity.

“I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia cleanup, and you know when something important is found and when something is not,” he said.

The day the “black boxes” were secretly carted away, agents acted like “something big was going down,” he added.

Bellone said he never learned the FBI agents’ names as this type of personal contact and information wasn’t exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero.

“They had on their FBI jackets, but I’m sure I could pick them out of a lineup or recognize their pictures,” said Bellone.

The pair’s bombshell accusations blow a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 9-11 commission report.”

In Chapter 1, footnote 76, there is the sole but definitive reference to the airline “black boxes”: “The CVR’s and the FDR’s [voice and flight data recorders] from American 11 and United 175 were not found.”

Asked if DeMasi and Bellone were questioned or subpoenaed, commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said: “I can’t tell you now if he was one of the 1,200 people we interviewed or if the book was one of the countless ones we researched. We explored every lead, but I will try to find out if we talked with him and get back to you.”

Bellone said commission members never contacted him or DeMasi and never asked the two to appear before the group even though the book was published well before the hearings commenced.

“I have been contacted by only one newspaper reporter, from The Philadelphia Daily News,” said Bellone, referring to an October 2004 story by reporter William Bunch, who recapped DeMasi’s statements as well as the usual official denials.

Those close to the 9-11 investigation said the recovery of the “black boxes” is important because they may hold vital clues about what really happened on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

The cockpit voice recorder uses a pair of microphones to capture all cockpit sounds for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight. The flight data recorder is also significant since it records altitude, heading and airspeed.

Both recorders are designed to withstand enormous impact and heat. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials said they should have withstood the conditions at the WTC.

And finding the boxes after a crash seems to be standard procedure, according to the NTSB.

“It’s extremely rare that we don’t get the recorders back,’ said NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz. “I can’t remember another case which we did not recover the recorders.”

Bellone is retired and was made an honorary New York fireman for his efforts after 9-11. DeMasi has recently retired from Engine Co. 261, nicknamed the “Flaming Skulls.”


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Hey Tim,

Can you please explain the differences between Judaism and Zionism? I clearly see two separate groups of "Jews" that inhabit Israel.

I also see two separate groups in America that call themselves Christians. Those who support Zionism and those who support Judaism. The pro-Zionists are the ones who voted for Bush's re-election. I realize many are just good church goin' folks listening to their pastors, but their ignorance enables our leaders to invade and destroy any country Israel wants eliminated. Iran seems to be next on the agenda.

Until the Christians wake up and see the deception, they will think they are doing God a favor by supporting any and all of the hard-line Israeli aggression in the name of self-preservation. Their leaders tell Christians that to say ANYTHING against Israel is tantamount to blasphemy against the Word of God.

Just as James Files has an "I was there" perspective in matters that deal with assassination and covert ops, I have an "I was there" perspective on what really goes on in fundamental churches and ministries. We have both deeply repented of aiding the enemies of mankind.

Pam

What a wonderfully succinct account of the past couple of hundred years. I agree with you wholeheartedly except for one thing - I believe the facts will show that 9/11 WAS orchestrated by your MICC, in the person of Dick Chaney. In 1992, Chaney as sec. of defense in Bush’s government issued a defense policy paper outlining everything that is happening now - invasion of Afghanistan, regime change in Iraq, moving on the Iran and a larger US military presence in the Middle East. His thoughts were echoed in Sept. 2000 by the neo-con think tank, Project for a New American Century, but this time they added that this agenda would not be acceptable to the American People unless there was "a catalyzing and catastrophic event like Pear Harbor"! On 9/11, Chaney, as head of Bush's highest-level counterterrorism committee (he was named to this about the same time he was named to the energy committee, which the Supreme Court recently ruled did not have to make public their energy deliberations). Considering his background in both government and industry, Chaney was in a position to know how to manipulate both the war game exercises which allowed the hijackers to bypass our confused security systems and the sluggish response of those systems. This is admittedly simplistic, but I am pretty sure it happened something like this.

Ron,

I read this in the American Free Press this morning as well. Thank you for posting this article and helping educate people on the education forum.

A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Hey Wim...there is that pesky FBI again that we are dealing with in America.

In another post there is a question about LBJ and Marcello. I find it interesting that LBJ and Hoover were best of buds and Hoover is on record for saying there is no such thing as Organized Crime in America. The FBI is STILL covering for the gangsters that run our country.

From this article Ron posted you can see the FBI complicity in our national nightmare didn't go away when Hoover died. Yet, you still put so much trust in "former" FBI agents. Is it any wonder the James Files story is so messed up with the FBI in the middle of the investigations relating to him?

Pam

I have created a new section called Political Conspiracies. All unrelated-JFK conspiracies should be posted in this section. It can be found here. All members are recommended to bookmark this page rather than any other. It will also give you access to all other JFK sections.

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