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Robert Howard
QUOTE (Peter Fokes @ Jul 25 2009, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Pat Speer @ Feb 24 2005, 11:43 PM) *
CHARLES SIRAGUSA AND ROBERT BANNERMAN

Robert Bannerman, who was Deputy Director, Office of Security, during the early 1960's, and later the Director of the Office of Security "remembers Siragusa as a Office of Security covert contact/informer. He says that when an Office of Security investigation turned up information related to narcotics, Siragusa might be contacted to see if he could provide assistance. Bannerman says he is not aware of any other contacts with Siragusa nor was he involved in any assassination plotting. He says he now knows that Sheffield Edwards was involved in Castro assassination plotting, but was not aware of it at the time." [CIA OGC 77-6457 10.11.77 Robert S. Young]

The Office of the Inspector General of the CIA determined that there was no basis for Siragusa's allegations. William K. Harvey took over the assassination project from Charles Siragusa. Notes on ZR/RIFLE stated: "Maximum security. Kubark [CIA Station] only. e.g. What does Siragusa now know?"


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I am intimately familiar with the book and have been in contact with him on occasion.
As I am sure you know the identity of QJWIN has been the subject of intense scrutiny.
This is intriguing. I re-read the 1967 IG report on the attempts on Castro only yesterday, and Bannerman was listed as one of those in the loop. When it came time to pay Varona, it turned out O'Connell had no budget to do so, so they briefed Esterline so he could take the money from the Bay of Pigs project, and went to Edwards to okay the money, only Edwards was out of town, so they briefed his assistant Bannerman, and got the money. Or something like that. Anyhow, the top secret 67 report said that Bannerman was in the loop, and here he lied about it ten years later.


Siragusa is mentioned in Douglas Valentine's The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America's War on Drugs.

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Joined the Federal Bureau of Narcotics before the Second World War; protege of George White; served in the OSS; group leader in New York; opened the FBN's first overseas office in Rome in 1951; became the FBN's liaison to the CIA in 1959 when he returned to Washington as field supervisor; competed with Giordano to replace Anslinger as Commissioner, served as Deputy Commissioner until his retirement in December 1963.

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See:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=Bed0gQKn-u...ary_r&cad=0

Has anyone here read Valentine's book?

Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto

I am intimately familiar with the book as well as being acquainted with Douglas Valentine via email.
Here is probably the single most comprehensive thread on the Forum on the topic.
Who Was QJWIN?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10942
Robert Howard

Additional Info and Bump
File this post under serendipity.......
There are obviously so many documents to go through between the 26 Volumes of the Warren Commission and the declassified files that an attempt to obscure pertinent facts can be a relatively simple thing to do, I did run across an interesting fellow.


104-10274-10042...March 24, 1961
AMBANG 1 WIFE ADVISED LATE 23 MAR MRP* REP JUAN P MARTIN MORAN ENGINEER MINISTRY PUBLIC WORKS
STOWAWAY ABOARD TURKISH VESSEL “FATISH”
Ambang-1 advised late 23 March MRP Rep. Juan P Martin Moran Engineer Public Works arrived Houston, Texas
Accompanied by one Marsio?......WAVE will debrief subjects upon arrival this area
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=38521
It should be pointed out that the April 17, 1961 Bay of Pigs fiasco was only a few weeks away, and that there was a Alfred J Moran associated with Clay Shaw see Let Justice Be Done William Davy. page 179
Interestingly enough in Jack Ruby's old memo book, he had listed the Name and phone number of Sandra Moran
See WC Vol 19, p. 75; WC Vol 22, p. 520
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...wRec.do?id=6711


In Thomas Edward Beckham’s Grand Jury testimony in New Orleans by District Attorney Garrison’s office, Beckham was asked about another Jack Martin, besides the Jack Martin who had worked in Guy Bannister’s office, as well as Goldonna, Louisiana.
Question. ........We have already gone into Jack Martin. Do you know another party by the name of Jack Martin?
Beckham: I know Joe Martin.
Question: Have you ever been to Goldonna, La.
Beckham: I went to a lot of small towns, but that name doesn’t sound right
See
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=146

Recently I discovered that in the Book The Armies of Ignorance - William Corson, that the CIA implemented a dossier analysis of President-elect Kennedy to determine how he would react in certain situations, tendencies, ie.....Garrison discusses this in On The Trail of The Assassins page 69; I dont have Corson’s book I only know of it from Jim Garrison’s mention of it.

James H. Meek independent oil operator who lived on Turtle Creek Blvd. died on Friday, November 22, 1963
This is recorded in the Dallas Times Herald of November 23, 1963.

Also from the same edition was this article:
Man Injured In Shooting
“A 24 year-old West Dallas man was in serious condition Friday morning
with a gunshot wound he said he suffered when two Negroes opened fire
on the car in which he was riding after curbing it at Singleton and Winne-
tka.
Methodist Hospital attendants identified the victim as Joe Jesse Medrano
of 3610 Singleton.
Police said, Medrano, Juan Velasco, 25, 3418 Odessa and Mario Gonzalez,
26, 3610 Singleton were occupants of a car driven by Fernando Rodriguez,
24, of 3604 Bedford.
The men told police the gunmen’s automobile began crowding them, about
midnight as they drove into the 1700 block of Singleton. The men said
they stopped their car and Medrano got out to be met by five shots from the
other car which had pulled up behind them. After firing their shots, one of
which struck Medrano in the right chest, the gunmen sped away.

Could there possibly have been a connection with the bungled Terrell Armory incident?

WHITTER, DONNELL DARIUS
Sources: CD 847; Arrest Report of Dallas Police Department 11/18/63; Dallas Morning News, Tuesday, 11/19/63, p. 1-A; Houston Post, 11/14/93, p. A-1; 14 pgs being withheld - Record No. 180-10071-10289 - Agency File No. 010223 (FBI)
Mary's
Comments: DOB: 5/30/20. Wife: Mary. Driving 1962 Thunderbird, HD5095, with Lawrence Reginald Miller as a passenger when arrested 11/18/63 at Gaston and Hall, Dallas, and held on suspicion of robbing National Guard Armory near Terrell, TX. Had been attendant at V.E. Morallis Texaco Service Station and had "waited on" Jack Ruby.
Distance between Singleton and Winnetka and Gaston and Hall Street is 4.1 miles
See
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

Oswald look-a-like at The Lawrence Hotel the night before the assassination; remember the other Oswald that was on Industrial Blvd., the morning of the assassination
Commission Document 7 - FBI Gemberling Report of 10 Dec 1963 re: Oswald
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=763


Robert: And here is the Joke of the Day
LETR RE WEST GERMAN INTELL INVESTIGATION
investigator reporting to Reinhard Gehlen feels there is no manner of further clarifying the matter of whether Anton Ehrdinger did have prior knowledge of Oswald before the assassination.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=2


And I saved the most interesting section at the end...
The Other Oswald after leaving the Depository
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=100
The light-colored Rambler station wagon that was seen with someone who was practically a double for Lee Harvey Oswald passed under the triple-underpass at 12:40 P.M.
A few blocks beyond that overpass is the Commerce Street Viaduct, leading directly into Oak Cliff. It is practically certain that after the Rambler with an unknown driver and a “Oswald impostor” left the Depository it crossed the viaduct, and after turning left on Sylvan Street drove 12 blocks further going south on Davis St. Three blocks away was the Tidy Lady Launderette. The drive from the Texas School Book Depository, would have taken 7 or 8 minutes. It is at the launderette where the car stopped. It would have been within a minute or so of 12:47 P.M.
The Tidy Lady (1227 Davis) was at the corner of Davis St and North Clinton St. There were only two people in the laundromat, at that time John Wesley and Oda Pennington. The car with the two fugitives parked on the east side of North Clinton St., by the side door of the laundromat. The young man who exited the car passed the laundromat and then turned around and entered, making a beeline towards the payphone. A brief pause and the Pennington’s heard the caller speaking in Spanish, in the FBI report, the Pennington’s felt that the man acted as if he was in trouble, under the circumstances, the Pennington’s were no doubt, accurate in their were perception. What happened to the driver is not certain but he may have left the scene as soon as he parked the car, which is what the Oswald impostor did as soon as he finished his call. He was last seen walking South on North Clinton St.
The car had been abandoned. When the couple were shown a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, they said he “appeared” to be the same person.
Just as compelling is how close the laudromat was to Jefferson Street, the location of the Texas Theater, and on the other side of Jefferson St. in the distance was the apartment of Jack Ruby. The Tidy Lady Lauderette on Clinton Street was only five blocks south away from Jefferson Street.
paraphrased from pages 831-832 Harvey and Lee - John Armstrong
So if you are trying to ascertain if another person was "in play" on Jefferson Street besides Lee Oswald, this scenario definitely seems pertinent. End of account. Yes....End of story? Definitely not.

There was also a Clarence Otis Pennington in W. Virginia who was interviewed by the FBI, at this point it is not known whether the individual Oda Pennington was related to Clarence Pennington. However there is a very sophisticated genealogy website and Family organization named Pennington Research Association, that almost without question makes mention of an C.O. Pennigton and “his wife Ida!”......If you surmised that the Pennington’s are interesting you would be right....
http://praresearch.blogspot.com/search/lab...itary%20Records
25 hits at NARA as of 7/24/09 under simple search under last name Pennington
http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/27799/jfksnew.txt
There is another Pennington, probably C.H. Pennington who was a member of the Alien Affairs Staff who is listed in some of the hits in the From and or To Fields. None of these documents appear to be still classified.
[see 104-10260-10095]
TELEPHONE CALL FROM MR. PENNINGTON , ALIEN AFFAIRS STAFF, CONCERNING POSSIBLE POSITION OF IMMIGRATION ON MARCOS DIAZ LANZ' APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT RESIDENT VISA
also 104-10130-10149

There are a very important couple of points to be made regarding the ostensible second Oswald at the Tidy Lady Laudrette.
First off The Ruby family was directly associated with washateria's in the Dallas are, the elusive Juan Martin of Uruguay also was said to have operated a washateria, the name of which seems difficult to determine.........Why would that be?

Secondly and more important?
As the Pennington account of this "Oswald" appearance within virtually minutes of the assassination of President Kennedy specifically implies, both of the occupants of this vehicle did not leave in it, but left on foot. Making the point that, if this was indeed the case, then there should be a record of "what happened to this vehicle."
If one knew the answer to that question, it would follow that it might be determined who the vehicle belonged to, and that in itself, would be a major accomplishment........
Peter Fokes
QUOTE (Robert Howard @ Jul 25 2009, 09:20 PM) *
QUOTE (Peter Fokes @ Jul 25 2009, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Pat Speer @ Feb 24 2005, 11:43 PM) *
CHARLES SIRAGUSA AND ROBERT BANNERMAN

Robert Bannerman, who was Deputy Director, Office of Security, during the early 1960's, and later the Director of the Office of Security "remembers Siragusa as a Office of Security covert contact/informer. He says that when an Office of Security investigation turned up information related to narcotics, Siragusa might be contacted to see if he could provide assistance. Bannerman says he is not aware of any other contacts with Siragusa nor was he involved in any assassination plotting. He says he now knows that Sheffield Edwards was involved in Castro assassination plotting, but was not aware of it at the time." [CIA OGC 77-6457 10.11.77 Robert S. Young]

The Office of the Inspector General of the CIA determined that there was no basis for Siragusa's allegations. William K. Harvey took over the assassination project from Charles Siragusa. Notes on ZR/RIFLE stated: "Maximum security. Kubark [CIA Station] only. e.g. What does Siragusa now know?"


End quote
I am intimately familiar with the book and have been in contact with him on occasion.
As I am sure you know the identity of QJWIN has been the subject of intense scrutiny.
This is intriguing. I re-read the 1967 IG report on the attempts on Castro only yesterday, and Bannerman was listed as one of those in the loop. When it came time to pay Varona, it turned out O'Connell had no budget to do so, so they briefed Esterline so he could take the money from the Bay of Pigs project, and went to Edwards to okay the money, only Edwards was out of town, so they briefed his assistant Bannerman, and got the money. Or something like that. Anyhow, the top secret 67 report said that Bannerman was in the loop, and here he lied about it ten years later.


Siragusa is mentioned in Douglas Valentine's The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America's War on Drugs.

<quote on>

Joined the Federal Bureau of Narcotics before the Second World War; protege of George White; served in the OSS; group leader in New York; opened the FBN's first overseas office in Rome in 1951; became the FBN's liaison to the CIA in 1959 when he returned to Washington as field supervisor; competed with Giordano to replace Anslinger as Commissioner, served as Deputy Commissioner until his retirement in December 1963.

<quote off>

See:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=Bed0gQKn-u...ary_r&cad=0

Has anyone here read Valentine's book?

Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto

I am intimately familiar with the book as well as being acquainted with Douglas Valentine via email.
Here is probably the single most comprehensive thread on the Forum on the topic.
Who Was QJWIN?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10942


Thank you, Robert. I will read that thread.

Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
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