Some coincidences that I wouldn't mind getting into perspective.

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"Banister, Singelmann, Donnels. It is not always fair to judge a lawyer by his clients. However, in this case, Hennessey made his own statement as president of the subtly named White Educational Association. In an announcement for an August 1960 meeting, it was promised that Hennessey would "discuss possible action to be taken to keep the New Orleans Public Schools open and segregated." (NOTP; August 10, 1960; s1, p9) A few days later, the White Educational Association sponsored a meeting which featured GNOCC chairman, Emmett Lee Irwin, as a speaker. (NOTP; August 25, 1960; s1, p26)

Banister's positions attracted the backing of the chairman of the Citizens' Council of Gentilly, Louis Pennington Davis, Jr. (NOTP; March 19, 1961; s 1, p 21) The Gentilly Council was a subunit of the larger Citizens' Council of Greater New Orleans (referred to as GNOCC). Davis had been involved since the inception of GNOCC in 1956 (NOTP; January 27, 1956; p 13) Leander Perez was a member of the board. Other members of the Gentilly section were Robert L. Hickerson and George L. Singelmann, usually identified as an assistant to Perez (NOTP; March 4, 1956; p 28). Perez himself spoke at an early meeting of the Gentilly Council in 1956. His topic was the "menace" of the Supreme Court. (NOTP; March 10, 1956; p 2)

Davis made his position on the NAACP clear: "a small group of Russian Jews with known Communist ties is procuring the vast amounts of money being 'poured into NAACP activities.'" (NOTP; August 5, 1956; p 2)

In 1961, Davis and Singelmann held forth on CORE: 'No less than 13 members of its national advisory board belong to numerous organizations that have been cited for their Communist front activities. The avowed purpose of this organization is to create incidents and excite people to violence. If their objective is successful, the South and the nation will be a seething mass of racial strife and violence.' (NOTP; June 3, 1961; S 3, p 20)

During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)"
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"In August 1961, one John Burkman, residing at 535 baseline Road, Northvile, Michigan, and who is employed as a sales representative for the Richmond Arms Company, Blissfield, Michigan, was approached by one William Newton and a Lt. General (FNU) Osborne. William Newton, allegedly residing at Miami, Oklahoma, was suspected of being a leader of a Cuban movement but was a person who stayed in the background. The Customs file did not reflect information on Lt. General Osborne. Newton and Osborne requested that Burkman attempt to obtain 10,000 M-1 rifles for an anti-Castro revolution."
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In August 1961, Johnson was in Sweden. Apart from attending Dag Hammarshold's funeral he met with Swedish Americans.
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"Bernard Weissman was born on 1st November, 1937. After graduating from Edison Technical High School in Mount Vernon in June, 1956, he went to work for the Nuclear Development Corporation as an experimental machinist. He the moved to New Jersey where he was employed as a sales manager.

In August, 1961, Weissman joined the U.S. Army and served in Germany where he met Larrie Schmidt. The two men shared an interest in right-wing politics and were both supporters of the John Birch Society. While in Germany the two men discussed the possibility of establishing a right-wing political group when they returned to the United States.

Weissman was discharged in August 1963 but was unable to find work. Short of money, Weissman contacted Larrie Schmidt who at that time was living in Dallas. Schmidt told Weissman about his involvement in the attack on the liberal politician, Adlai Stevenson. According to Schmidt, this had been organized by General Edwin Walker. Schmidt added that his brother was working as General Walker's chauffeur and general aide."


"In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military.

Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated. In September 1961 Walker organized the protests against the enrollment of James Meredith at the University of Mississippi. Attorney General Robert Kennedy responded by issuing a warrant for Walker's arrest on the charges of seditious conspiracy, insurrection, and rebellion."
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"May 5th: Lee reopens his correspondence with his family by writing his brother Robert. 25th: Lee notifies the Embassy that he has married, and his wife would like to accompany him to the U.S.

July 8th: Lee travels to Moscow to talk to Snyder concerning his efforts to return to the U.S. 9th: After a call from Lee, Marina joins him in Moscow. 10th: Lee returns to the Embassy to see Snyder, who agrees to return his passport. 11th: Lee and Marina return to the Embassy to fill out papers for Marina. 14th: Lee and Marina return to Minsk. In a letter to Robert, Lee reports on his efforts to leave Russia.

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August : 20th: The Oswalds send the necessary papers to leave the country to Russian officials.
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October 4th: Lee writes the Embassy requesting the U.S. Government intervene in his case. Marina spends 3 weeks with her aunt in Kharkov. 12th: The Embassy replies to Lee offering little hope for a speedy exit from the country. 18th: Lee spends his 22nd birthday at the opera.

November 1st: Lee writes the Embassy saying that if his residence permit were renewed, it would be over his protest. 12th: Marina returns from Kharkov. 13th: The Embassy replies telling Lee that retention of his passport would not jeopardize his request to leave.

December Lee writes Texas Senator John Tower, asking for his help with the exit visas. 25th: Marina is called to the passport office and told that she an Lee will be granted exit visas. 27th: Lee tells the Embassy that they will be given visas and asks to extend his passport.

1962

January 1st: Lee and Marina spend New Year's Day with their friends, the Zigers. 2nd: Lee writes his mother that he and Marina expect to arrive in the U.S. in March. 5th: He writes to the Embassy asking for a loan from the U.S. Government. 13th: Lee writes to the International Rescue Committee asking for $800. 15th: The Embassy tells Lee it needs proof that Marina will not become a ward of the state. 23rd: Lee replies to the Embassy, saying that his affidavit should be enough but contacts Marguerite the same day requesting that she file an affidavit. 24th: The Embassy receives an affidavit from Lee for Marina, but tells Lee to obtain another one. 26th: Lee writes to the International Rescue Committee again asking for $1,000. 30th: Lee learns of his "Undesirable" discharge, which is incorrectly reported by his mother to be "Dishonorable". 30th: He writes John Connally, former Secretary of the Navy, asking for help reversing the discharge.

February 1st: Lee writes his mother rejecting her suggestion regarding raising money through a newspaper appeal. 6th: The Embassy contacts Lee asking him to make a formal application for a loan. 15th: June Lee Oswald is born. 23rd: Marina comes home from the hospital.

March 3rd: the Embassy receives Lee's request for a loan. 15th: Marina's visa is approved. 28th: Lee receives an affidavit of support from Marguerite's employer.

April 12th: In a letter to Robert, Lee indicates they are not in a hurry to leave since good weather has arrived.

May 10th: The Embassy asks Lee to come and sign the final papers for the departure to America. 18th: Lee leaves his job. 22nd: He picks up his exit visa. 24th: The Oswalds arrive in Moscow to visit the Embassy.

June 1st: Lee signs a promissory note for $435.71, and the Oswalds leave for America. 13th: The Oswalds arrive in Hoboken, NJ. 14th: They leave by plane for Fort Worth."
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Johnson revisited Sweden in early '63. Olof Palme was one of the staunchest western supporters of Ho Chi Minh. (From memory, US Vietnam defectors were granted automatic swedish citizenship if they wanted it? My memory of growing up in Sweden was seeing Vietnamese refugees coming into the country and coming into school, also of a great sadness when Kennedy was killed.) Swedens 'aristocracy' was also traditionally tied to the upper classes in Finland. (and Norway)


What I can't find is exactly hwer Walker was in August '63. Also peripherally, I'm curious about McNamaras* movements during this time.



EDIT:: *from interview with Mcnamara http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/McNamara/mcnamara6.html

"During the seven years I was Secretary, on three occasions we came very very close to war with the Soviet Union. They put pressure on West Berlin to take West Berlin from NATO in August of 1961, we came close to war then. They introduced nuclear weapons into Cuba and we came close to nuclear war with the Soviets then -- that was in October of 1962. They were backing Egypt to destroy Israel, eliminate it from the face of the earth, in June of 1967; the hotline was used for the first time in connection with that. The message from Kosygin, the Prime Minister of the Soviet Union, to Johnson was "If you want war you'll get it." So we faced what we considered a terrible threat to Western security from the Soviet Communists and the Chinese Communists. I think we exaggerated, but to some degree it was real.

But with respect to Southeast Asia, I am certain we exaggerated the threat. Had we never intervened, I now doubt that the dominoes would have fallen; I doubt that all of Asia would have fallen under Communist control. I doubt that the security of the West would have been materially and adversely affected had we not intervened, or had we withdrawn after it became clear that we were having serious problems militarily. That was our major error."

What if...the assassination had failed? What if Kennedy had emerged unscathed?

Could it be that if he then was aware of butllets shot at him, endangering the lives of his wife, and others. Wouldn't he and his intimates immediately set in motion an investigation such that the conspiracy in the making with all its flaws would have crumbled?

What then? There were breaks in the ranks of the armed forces, state and federal. Is the idea that the cuba operations were a cover for an arms/personnell buildup for a civil war too farfetched?


thats just one idea I'm toying with. Has anyone else considered the aftermath of an unsuccessful assassination attempt with a view at the evidence uncovered and seeing how it might have been handled by Jack and Robert? Perhaps in doing so one may percieve a plan for such an eventuality and thus point at the perpetrators of the successful assassination?

That's what I like about your posts, John...nearly 42 years after the assassination, you seem to always spot the unexplored and underexplored areas. Maybe that's because you have a world perspective, rather than simply an American perspective.

IF the assassination attempt had failed....what would have been revealed? Or would there still have been a massive coverup? Would Don Reynolds' testimony before Congress have doomed LBJ's political future? Would Oswald have been flown to Mexico...or Cuba?

Pure speculation, of course...but I think that those who might have planned for this contingency [after all, none of the Castro assassination attempts were successful] may have given themselves away somewhere...all we have to do is find the supporting evidence after almost 42 years. I think you may be on the right track, John; the FBI was out to DISprove a conspiracy, and we aren't of any necessity heading in that direction. Some evidence MAY exist.

The evidence, although entirely circumstantial, clearly exists within the public domain.

One can/could speculate "what if" from now until forever. It will answer no questions regarding the actual event.

The keys to unravelling and making the "ties" to the common denominator's are there for all who wish to pursue them.

One such "key" is even mentioned by name in this topic.

Tom

I seem to remember reading that there was a plan B if Kennedy was not shot. Apparently there was a car bomb that was to be detonated close to the motorcade.

Tom, you always make me think...there are few mentioned there...does it start with H?

As far as "One can/could speculate "what if" from now until forever. It will answer no questions regarding the actual event" goes, for it to be a conspiracy that assumed no events beyond the assassination if that assassination had been unsuccessful doesn't make sense. Therefore, what appointments, travel plans, meetings, letters, memos, prepared were altered, filed etc as a result of success?

This may very well be a fruitful avenue of research as attention to concealment may not have been as rigorous because the scrutiny was avoided early on.

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Tom M. Hi, could it be you mean an earlier car bomb attempt I think back in '61 that was foiled as a result of a postal worker who had been receiving disturbing postcards from a guy following Kennedy around? This attempt was foiled as a result of him alerting the authorities. Otherwise, have you more info on 'plan B'?

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Mark, possibly one thing is coming into this so late in life having spent a lot of life travelling and living in lots of different circumstances. I've always been interested in deBono as well. Others are also applying a kind of 'difference' analysis, offhand Jim and Robert come to mind. As I see it a deliberate viewing of data not for what it contains but for what it doesn't contain. As such I try to look at the events and look for what seems to be missing. If there is a significant omission then I wonder "Why?". Sometimes these amissions are a result of an initially perhaps insignificant skewing of the whole picture that years later has magnified into something even blind freddy can see. Sometimes it's more subtle. Whatever, it's a factor. On the whole I see the investigation (and I have only the experience of this forum to draw on) as a joint effort made up of contributions all different none better (or worse, just different). My role perhaps is to dash off into the unexplored, stumble around for a bit, spot another crack in the wall and hammer away at that. Others who are skilled at putting the pieces together perhaps follow a vanguard of wild theorists and apply a sobering tone to the whole affair. such as yourself, Tom, Pat, John etc. others do other things some a number of different ones. But as far as myself is concerned I try to 'immerse' myself in the situation and see what it looks like from inside and then compare that view with the one I get from todays descriptions.

as I've said, this topic is about coincidences that may or may not mean something. one example is the repeated use of the number 10000 in military style actions in the area. As most of these concern the segregation issue, I'm wondering whether the call by Walker for 10000 men and the purchase of 10000 rifles may ahve something to do with an armed response in case of a failed assassination? perhaps also for military folk 10000 is a size that reflect a standard unit size in the army?


a "Call to Negro America" dated July 1, 1941 calling for 10,000 Black Americans to march on Washington D.C. to secure integration and equal treatment in the Armed Forces. Philip Randolph, then the President of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters" was primarily responsible for this attempt to organize the 1941 march, and he participated prominently 22 years later in the 1963 March on Washington.

"1957 - Desegregation at Little Rock: Little Rock Central High School was to begin the 1957 school year desegregated. On September 2, the night before the first day of school, Governor Faubus announced that he had ordered the Arkansas National Guard to monitor the school the next day. When a group of nine black students arrived at Central High on September 3, they were kept from entering by the National Guardsmen. On September 20, judge Davies granted an injunction against Governor Faubus and three days later the group of nine students returned to Central High School. Although the students were not physically injured, a mob of 1,000 townspeople prevented them from remaining at school. Finally, President Eisenhower ordered 1,000 paratroopers and 10,000 National Guardsmen to Little Rock, and on September 25, Central High School was desegregated."



" During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)" "
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"In August 1961, one John Burkman, residing at 535 baseline Road, Northvile, Michigan, and who is employed as a sales representative for the Richmond Arms Company, Blissfield, Michigan, was approached by one William Newton and a Lt. General (FNU) Osborne. William Newton, allegedly residing at Miami, Oklahoma, was suspected of being a leader of a Cuban movement but was a person who stayed in the background. The Customs file did not reflect information on Lt. General Osborne. Newton and Osborne requested that Burkman attempt to obtain 10,000 M-1 rifles for an anti-Castro revolution.

Here's the reference I read to the car bomb. I found this in Gerry Hemming's bio on spartacus.

This week Hemming revealed to Solares Hill that the assassins had a back-up plan to ensure Kennedy never left Dallas alive. According to Hemming, there was a huge remote-controlled bomb planted in one of the cars parked beyond the triple overpass at the south end of Dealey Plaza. If the assassins were not sure Kennedy had been killed by the ambush in Dealey Plaza, they would detonate the car bomb as the motorcade sped toward the hospital, ensuring the death of all the occupants of the Presidential limousine.

Here's the complete link: Link

Thank you for posting that Tom, I wonder how many members are aware of that article written by Tim?

Gerry, when did you hear of this bomb, and how credible is it?

I find it fascinating. As stated this topic is to look at some coincidences and to look a post assassination attempt plans to see what that might reveal.

OK. So Tim reports that Gerry tells Sol that there was a car bomb of such size that obliteration of occupants of speeding Limousine was ensured. Remote controlled bomb. Radio one would surmise?

Is there an iota of suggestion that Oswald had such a device? No? Well then, it MUST have been a conspiracy. Or...?

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The only people reported as having radios are of course the various Law enforcement agencies, and Harry up in his office speaks of having one, though like his ocular being bi, his radio was tuned to local station. No matter.
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OK, fair enuff..I'd like to hear what Gerry has to say about this article by Tim. There are obvious logical inconsistencies.

If it was to be a conspiracy to have a lone nut, then that would have blown as soon as the bomb went off.

Plus the weight brought to bear on the case would have been of a different magnitude entirely.

How could this split second deciscion NOT to blow the bomb have been made with any degree of certainty?

Let's say it was decided to blow, what then? What if it hadn't worked? Back to the whole question of post assassination attempt survival of Kennedy and his subsequent steps to take charge. Strikes me that the conspiracists played a VERY chancy game. If they had a serious agenda, would they do it like this?

It sounds a bit too pat to me.

one thing that is becoming apparent with these seeming coincidences is a thought that there is no necessary reason to look for 'global' or 'foreign' reasons for conflict sufficient to generate a will to kill the President.
( one amusing coincidence is at the end with regards to 'signals'


"Source: News-clipping (FBI file 961-7398-52) - http://www.nathanielturner.com/blacklegion2.htm


FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Cleveland, Ohio

5/24/35

Synopsis of Facts:

Secret organization national in scope and military in nature, apparently organized by dr. Shepard, of Bellaire, O. membership restricted to native-born, white, gentile, protestant citizens. Former members. state organization is revolutionary and is terrorizing former members for withdrawing. general of organization, at Lima, O., has ordered subordinate to wreck picture shows, burn roadhouses and assault individuals. organization purports to have completely equipped machine guns company in detroit, Mich. Former members advise 80% of FERA employes at Lima, O., are members and relief in district is controlled by head or order. Chief of Police, Lima, is reputed to be a member; General of legion, lima, stated to former member that 60 to 70 members of department of justice were members; also stated that Cincinnati, o., agent was admitted to order fall '34, Event of unknown nature scheduled for Nov. 20-26. Ritual, organization, and partial list of members set forth

Reference: Bureau letters dated 4-22-35 and 5-11-35

Details:

Agent interviewed Mr. J. F. Cordrey, Post Office Inspector, stationed at Lima, Ohio, [was the FBI source of information] . . . .

The following information relative to the history, ritual, organization, officers, members and meeting places of the Order were furnished by . . .

The Black Legion, historical in itself, was first formed prior to the Revolutionary War, and it was this organization that organized the Boston Tea Party, after the Colonies won their independence; there being no more need for the existence of the order it disbanded; however, those who were Generals at that time, there being one General for each of the 13 colonies, handed down their rank to their sons, and thus the order was kept alive. the next time that the order felt it must become active was immediately after the Civil war, and a band of gorillas [sic] under Quantrell was organized and operated until they had satisfactorily straightened out the country. it was again disbanded and has now been reorganized as the country is once again being threatened by various sorts ISMS. *(Note: the above is part of the speech made by General Effinger at meetings.)

Ritual and Initiation

members are armed and masked, recruits are lined up for preliminary questions and oath. grounds are patrolled by masked armed guards.

Captain of the Guard

1. Are you a native-born, white, gentile, protestant citizen?

2. Do you understand that this organization you are about to join is strictly secret and military in character?

3. This organization is classed by our enemies as an outlaw organization; are you willing to join such an organization?

(The above questions are asked each recruit.)

Preliminary Oath

Kneel on your right knee; place your left hand over your heart and raise your right hand; repeat after me: (Say I and repeat your name.)

"Do solemnly promise and swear that i will never reveal any part or portion of the work I have already received or that which is about to be commutated to me. I further promise and swear I will never reveal a single word of anything that has transpired here tonight or the identity of anyone I may recognize in case I am refused membership in this organization. The penalty for violation of this is -- DEATH."

(The recruits having passed this test and placed under oath are now taken before

the larger body of Night Riders and surrounded by armed masked men.)

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Do you believe in the separation of church and state? Will you lie to protect a comrade in this organization, if ordered to do so by your superior officer? To what political organization do you now belong? will you forget your party and vote for the best man if ordered to do so by your superior officer? Can you keep a secret?

(On the last question a phoney password is passed around and

one of the Blacks purposely repeats it, and then he is taken

out and hung before all the recruits; a special harness is

used and the rope is hooked on; a strap in the back; in

the dark it looks like a true hanging. Carter stated that

he has frequently been the victim in this act.)

Colonel to Lieut. Colonel:

"Do you think these men have shown their fitness to join this organization by their answers to questions?" Answer: "Sir, i wish to subject these men to further questioning, have I your permission?" Answer: "You have."

Questions By Lieut. Colonel

"Can you ride a horse and shoot a rifle?"

"Are you properly armed?"

"Will you properly arm yourself as soon as possible"

"Do you believe in Lynch Law?"

"Will you sign your name in Blood?"

Lieut. Colonel to Colonel

"Sir, these men have answered all questions properly, and if they are bound by the oath that we are bound by -- they are acceptable to me."

Black Oath

Kneel on your right knee; place your left hand over your heart; raise your right hand; repeat after me: (orders are then given to cover these men with loaded guns, and if they fail or falter, you know your duty.)

"In the name of God and Devil and by the power of light and darkness, good and evil, here under the black arch of heavens avenging symbol, i pledge and consecrate my body, my limbs, my heart and my mind and swear by all powers of heaven and Hell that i will devote my life to the obedience of any superior officers in this organization and that i will never betray a comrade in this organization. I further promise and swear that I will destroy, without mercy, all FEDERALS, Jay hawkers and their abetors, whose serpent trail has winnowed the fair fields of our allies and sympathizers; these I will fight without mercy as long as breath remains. before divulging a single work or implied pledge of this, my solemn oath, and obligation, i will pray to an avenging God and unmerciful devil that my limbs be broken with stones and cut off by inches; that they may be for carion birds; that my body be ripped open and my bowels torn out and fed to the foulest bird of the air, and that my head be split open and my brains scattered over the earth, my heart be torn out and roasted over flames of sulphur. And, lastly, may my soul be given unto torment, may it be submerged in a molten metal and stifled in the flames of Hell, and may this punishment be meeted out to me through all eternity."

Signs and Pass Words

Pass word: PUT (name of place) Americans only on guard.

Call word: LIXTO (When this word is received by a Black Knight, either by word of mouth, telephone, telegraph or mail, he is supposed to drop anything he is doing and take up arms and go to the place named: for instance, if a call was made for Cleveland, the word would be LIXTO, CLEVELAND)

Test word: (Under the star of the guard, which is answered by the party approached saying Until Death)

Signs: At night-time either a flashlight, match or auto head lights are flashed three times, and if the party flashed is a Black, he will answer with three flashes. in day-time the hat is pushed back on the head three times and is answered the same way. Any sign may be used in multiple of three and must be answered the same way.*

Degrees

1.. Lowest rank -- Foot legion

2. Night Riders

3. Black Knight

4. Armed Guard

5. Bullet Guard (consists of only selected Black Knights)

Organization

1. Squad -- consists of 6 men and a corporal

2. Company -- consists of 78 privates, 18 corporals, 6 sergeants

3. Battalion -- consists of 3 companies and is commanded by a major

4. Regiment -- consists of 3 battalions and is commanded by a colonel"



so 10000 is approximately equal to 10 regiments. assuming the prior selection of officers, leaves approximately 2000 reserves. I wonder if someone with militery experiencecould comment on whether this is a reasonable formation:

ie out of 10000 called up, to expect to form 10 regiments as per above frormula with 3000 reserves, possibly also with the lower ranks, corporal and seargent drawn from this reserve figure? presumably also all the associated support groups such as medical and cantine is drawn from this reserve?

*three yellow stripes painted on a curb?

In this thread I'm exploring an idea I've formulated regarding the nature of the seemingly different major fields of activity foreign and domestic that seem to have an aim of controlling the direction american society was going in in the last century.

I am identifying three broad areas. Communism, Civil Rights, and an area I am having difficulty finding a word for which is largely about the atmosphere that the average american citizen finds him/her self in. This is shaped by such things as Media and in more sinister aspects of action arising out of operations such as MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, MOCKINBIRD.

The McCarthy years taught the citizen what a communist was and what troubles someone who may consider looking seriously at becoming one would experience along the way. The average person would probably have steered clear of anything that may have tainted them in this way. So once this particular mindset is in place then the 'externalising' of a communist threat for example the picture provided by Castro becomes more acceptable. The 'mind control experiments' of the CIA and others is a rather gross description of something far more subtle. These activities were a continuation of a philosophy of psychology and race that sought to understand and consequently control humanity. The activities of the various agencies (including media elements) draw on this research material.

The 'communist' or 'marxist' werte often portrayed as being behind the various US mainland problems such as Civil Rights. I suggest that civil un-rights were behind it. Civil Un-Rights is a product of an Unequal or Unfree society that depends on control of aspects of its society to function. Civil Rights is a response to this. And the reason that the communist would be found in the 'vanguard' of this struggle is because this is essentially communisms reason for being. No mysterious sinister plots there. The sinister thing is the creation of a 'communist' threat mind set that thewn allowed the often legal hounding of such a vanguard.

Now, remember this was happening in America. Emmett Till was slaughtered in America, not Cuba. etc. What happened in little Cuba was a taking back of government by a military action against a corrupt US sponsored regime.

What if there had been no response to this by the US government? Could the idea of people having the right to do such things be applied to the mainland? The people behind the preparations for an armed insurrection obviously thought so. The murderers of Kennedy obviously thought so. The point was to impress on the average decent american citizen what wopuld happen should they get into their mind that such a thing was OK.

All the worlds a stage where we see cause and effect played out. TV is a good example of this. Here we are willing Pavlovian dogs being herded in directions acceptable to those in control.

I'm suggesting that the proper way to view all these events surrounding the assassination of Kennedy had nothing whatsoever to do with Cuba or the USSR, nothing to do with the Mob, nothing to do with Communists or any other identifiable grouping but was an aspect of the logical thread of mindcontrol aimed at the average American spectator to these events. I hope my meaning here is clear?

here is the introduction to the
( http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/c...lreportIIca.htm )

"INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES AND THE RIGHTS OF AMERICANS - BOOK II

FINAL REPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE TO STUDY GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES

UNITED STATES SENATE

TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL, SUPPLEMENTAL, AND SEPARATE VIEWS

APRIL 26 (legislative day, April 14), 1976


A. VIOLATING AND IGNORING THE LAW - MAJOR FINDING

The Committee finds that the domestic activities of the intelligence community at times violated specific statutory prohibitions and infringed the constitutional rights of American citizens. 1 The legal questions involved in intelligence programs were often not considered. On other occasions, they were intentionally disregarded in the belief that because the programs served the "national security" the law did not apply. While intelligence officers on occasion failed to disclose to their superiors programs which were illegal or of questionable legality, the Committee finds that the most serious breaches of duty were those of senior officials, who were responsible for controlling intelligence activities and generally failed to assure compliance with the law.

Subfindings

(a) In its attempt to implement instructions to protect the security of the United States, the intelligence community engaged in some activities which violated statutory law and the constitutional rights of American citizens.

( Legal issues were often overlooked by many of the intelligence officers who directed these operations. Some held a pragmatic view of intelligence activities that did not regularly attach sufficient significance to questions of legality. The question raised was usually not whether a particular program was legal or ethical, but whether it worked.

© On some occasions when agency officials did assume, or were told, that a program was illegal, they still permitted it to continue. They justified their conduct in some cases on the ground that the failure of "the enemy" to play by the rules granted them the right to do likewise, and in other cases on the ground that the "national security" permitted programs that would otherwise be illegal.

(d) Internal recognition of the illegality or the questionable legality of many of these activities frequently led to a tightening of security rather than to their termination. Partly to avoid exposure and a public "flap," knowledge of these programs was tightly held within the agencies, special filing procedures were used, and "cover stories" were devised.

(e) On occasion, intelligence agencies failed to disclose candidly their programs and practices to their own General Counsels, and to Attorneys General, Presidents, and Congress.

(f) The internal inspection mechanisms of the CIA and the FBI did not keep -- and, in the case of the FBI, were not designed to keep -- the activities of those agencies within legal bounds. Their primary concern was efficiency, not legality or propriety.

(g) When senior administration officials with a duty to control domestic intelligence activities knew, or had a basis for suspecting, that questionable activities had occurred, they often responded with silence or approval. In certain cases, they were presented with a partial description of a program but did not ask for details, thereby abdicating their responsibility. In other cases, they were fully aware of the nature of the practice and implicitly or explicitly approved it.

Elaboration of findings

The elaboration which follows details the general finding of the Committee that inattention to -- and disregard of -- legal issues was an all too common occurrence in the intelligence community. While this section focuses on the actions and attitudes of intelligence officials and certain high policy officials, the Committee recognizes that a pattern of lawless activity does not result from the deeds of a single stratum of the government or of a few individuals alone. The implementation and continuation of illegal and questionable programs would not have been possible without the cooperation or tacit approval of people at all levels within and above the intelligence community, through many successive administrations.

The agents in the field, for their part, rarely questioned the orders they received. Their often uncertain knowledge of the law, coupled with the natural desire to please one's superiors and with simple bureaucratic momentum, clearly contributed to their willingness to participate in illegal and questionable programs. The absence of any prosecutions for law violations by intelligence agents inevitably affected their attitudes as well. Under pressure from above to accomplish their assigned tasks, and without the realistic threat of prosecution to remind them of their legal obligations, it is understandable that these agents frequently acted without concern for issues of law and at times assumed that normal legal restraints and prohibitions did not apply to their activities.

Significantly, those officials at the highest levels of government, who had a duty to control the activities of the intelligence community, sometimes set in motion the very forces that permitted lawlessness to occur -- even if every act committed by intelligence agencies was not known to them. By demanding results without carefully limiting the means by which the results were achieved; by over-emphasizing the threats to national security without ensuring sensitivity to the rights of American citizens; and by propounding concepts such as the right of the "sovereign" to break the law, ultimate responsibility for the consequent climate of permissiveness should be placed at their door. 2

Subfinding (a)

In its attempt to implement instructions to protect the security of the United States, the intelligence community engaged in some activities which violated statutory law and the constitutional rights of American citizens.

From 1940 to 1973, the CIA and the FBI engaged in twelve covert mail opening programs in violation of Sections 1701-1703 of Title 18 of the United States Code which prohibit the obstruction, interception, or opening of mail. Both of these agencies also engaged in warrantless "surreptitious entries" -- break-ins -- against American citizens within the United States in apparent violation of state laws prohibiting trespass and burglary. Section 605 of the Federal Communications Act of 1934 was violated by NSA's program for obtaining millions of telegrams of Americans unrelated to foreign targets and by the Army Security Agency's interception of domestic radio communications.

All of these activities, as well as the FBI's use of electronic surveillance without a substantial national security predicate, also infringed the rights of countless Americans under the Fourth Amendment protection "against unreasonable searches and seizures."

The abusive techniques used by the FBI in COINTELPRO from 1956 to 1971 included violations of both federal and state statutes prohibiting mail fraud, wire fraud, incitement to violence, sending obscene material through the mail, and extortion. More fundamentally, the harassment of innocent citizens engaged in lawful forms of political expression did serious injury to the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech and the right of the people to assemble peaceably and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The Bureau's maintenance of the Security Index, which targeted thousands of American citizens for detention in the event of national emergency, clearly overstepped the permissible bounds established by Congress in the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 and represented, in contravention of the Act, a potential general suspension of the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus secured by Article 1, Section 9, of the Constitution.

A distressing number of the programs and techniques developed by the intelligence community involved transgressions against human decency that were no less serious than any technical violations of law. Some of the most fundamental values of this society were threatened by activities such as the smear campaign against Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the testing of dangerous drugs on unsuspecting American citizens, the dissemination of information about the sex lives, drinking habits, and marital problems of electronic surveillance targets, and the COINTELPRO attempts to turn dissident organizations against one another and to destroy marriages."

Were the FBI interested in destroying individuals who supported Civil Rights?
Was the mentality on the right there such as to consider murdering Kennedy?
Yes.

Were there sufficient reason to consider the operations against Cuba and other foreign events as covers for a more sinister aim of controlling the american public?
I think so.

It's important to look at the big picture taking into account the full scope of the actions of the thought police, but here is one example out of many.


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sco.../03/306991.html

"Jean, like her contemporaries Jane Fonda and Vanessa Redgrave, was politically active in the late 60’s and was particularly supportive of the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People). She spoke out after the assassination of Dr Martin Luther King in 1968 and was friendly with the Black Panthers to whom she is reputed to have donated $100,000 [around $1 million in today’s money]. While Jane Fonda was dubbed `Hanoi Jane` and Redgrave’s career suffered because of her support for the Palestinians it was Seberg who was to pay the heaviest price when she fell foul of FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover, `the boss` from 1924 till his death in 1972, saw Jean as a particular threat because of her popularity on both sides of the Atlantic. These were the days of an FBI campaign, sometimes forgotten today, called COINTELPRO meaning Counter Intelligence Programme. Briefly COINTELPRO was a series of programmes of political harassment directed against black and socialist organisations such as the Black Panthers, the Civil Rights movement, the Socialist Workers Party and the burgeoning 1960’s peace movement. Not lawful investigation, but actual criminal acts committed by the FBI designed to deny the black population (along with Native Americans, the anti-war movement, and the early feminist movement) their civil rights. It involved widespread and illegal wiretapping, the use of smear campaigns, infiltration and outright violence against those groups deemed to be a `threat` to the American Apple Pie way of life. The White Anglo Saxon Protestant US ruling class including Hoover had a particular dislike for the Black struggle especially militant or uncompromising organisations like the Panthers. According to a former Los Angeles based FBI agent (M. Wesley Swearingen) a culture of racism had permeated the bureau and their venom was particularly directed towards the Panthers and the white women who associated with them. Hoover was reputed to have said he was going to 'take care of those two bitches' - meaning Jean and Jane Fonda. But Hoover said it was Seberg who kept him awake at nights. When a high profile blonde actress like Jean devoted much of her money and time to them Hoover singled her out for exceptionally harsh treatment. On April 27th 1970, just seven weeks after the New York release of Airport, SAC [Special Agent in Charge] in Los Angeles Richard Held sent a memorandum to headquarters requesting permission to smear Jean: It reads: “Bureau permission is requested to publicize the pregnancy of JEAN SEBERG, well known movie actress, by [DELETED] Black Panther Party (BPP) [DELETED] by advising Hollywood `Gossip-Columnists` in the Los Angeles area of the situation. It is felt that the possible publication of Seberg’s plight could cause her embarrassment and serve to cheapen her image with the general public”
Richard Held is purported to have said: “ I wonder how she’d like to gobble my dick while I shove my .38 up that black bastard’s ass.” This was a reference to Panther theorist Raymond `Masia` Hewit with whom Jean was supposedly having an affair.


Hoover said that Seberg deserved to be `neutralised` because of her financial support for the Panthers. He gave his authorization with the proviso that the implementation be postponed for approximately two months until the pregnancy became more visible and also to protect the secrecy of wiretaps the Bureau had installed in the Los Angeles and San Francisco BPP headquarters. The schedule was accelerated however and on June 6th Held sent Hoover a letter with a newspaper cutting demonstrating the success of the operation. The cutting showed an article by Los Angeles Times gossip columnist Joyce Haber laying out the Bureau fiction of Jean [here referred to as `Miss A`] being pregnant by a prominent Black Panther. The article was syndicated to over a hundred newspapers including the International Press and `Newsweek`.


Held and Hoover knew Jean to be emotionally unstable before the smear and the effect on her was to attempt suicide with an overdose of sleeping pills. Though she survived, the trauma of the event caused her to go into premature labour and the resulting baby girl Nina died just two days later on August 25th 1970. Jean was devastated and never fully recovered, for every one of her remaining 9 years she tried to kill herself on the anniversary of the miscarriage.

She called a press conference at which she presented shocked journalists with the foetus of her dead white child and at the funeral she insisted on a glass coffin. In her 1993 book `Make Believe` Diana Athill recounts how “after the baby died Jean became obsessed with it. She had photographs taken of it in its coffin and tapes made of the funeral, and these she brooded over, and made other people brood over, for hours on end.”


Though plagued by personal problems Jean was to make 12 more films in what remained of her career though none of them was of any great note. She made Ondata di calore (dead of Summer), a psychodrama made in Morocco. She played Joyce Grasse, an American woman who cannot cope with the pressure of her isolated existence. She seldom sees her husband, cannot speak the language, and finds that racial tensions interfere with her ability to get along with the locals. In 1971 Jean made Kill! with James Mason and Stephen Boyd, then in 1972 Questa specie d’amore (This kind of love) and Camorra! followed by the French Conspiracy with Roy Scheider in 1973. On May 1, 1973, tragedy struck again when her close friend Hakim Jamal, a black activist, was brutally murdered. In 1974 she made an American TV movie Mousey with Kirk Douglas and in the same year had her one and only try at directing in Ballad for the Kid. She spent the last five years of her life in Europe making films not released to the foreign market. Her last film was Die Wildente (The Wild Duck) a German-language version of the Henrik Ibsen play in 1976.

Jean attempted suicide by throwing herself under a Paris metro train but miraculously survived and even had thoughts of a comeback. She was apparently enthusiastic about a possible but then unconfirmed role that would have reunited her with her "Bonjour Tristesse" co-star David Niven. The film, "A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square", was eventually remade in 1980 with German actress Elke Sommer taking the role Jean was meant to play.

JEAN'S DEATH
Jean went missing in August 1979 and to the consternation of her fans could not be found. Their worst fears were confirmed when on the evening of Saturday 8th September 1979 her Renault car was discovered by an off-duty policeman in the Rue du General Appertin, in a smart residential district near the Champs-Élysées. The policeman noticed the car by the kerb, covered with leaves and dust. On opening the door he saw a big bundle on the floor at the back, wrapped in a blanket. It was the body of a blonde woman. Near the body were several empty pill bottles and a half empty bottle of mineral water. From the badly decomposed state of the corpse it was believed that her death probably occurred shortly after her disappearance. Jean had left a note addressed to her son, and only child, Alexandre Diego. She complained about depression and wrote: “ I can’t live any longer with my nerves.”

The day after her funeral the London Daily Telegraph reported that the FBI admitted it spread the rumour that destroyed Jean. This revelation consisted of two and three quarter inches on page 19. The London Times of November 20th that year printed a somewhat longer piece, all of nine and three quarter inches on page 9, which was headlined `FBI agents blamed for Jean Seberg suicide` and which mentioned the word COINTELPRO.

After her death came the documentary Jean Seberg: American Actress (1995), and the docudrama From the Journals of Jean Seberg (1995), with Mary Beth Hurt, ironically also from Marshalltown, as Jean.
Jean had outlived both J Edgar Hoover by seven years and COINTELPRO by eight.

Speaking in 1975 Congressman Don Edwards had said: “Regardless of the unattractiveness or noisy militancy of some private citizens or organisations, the Constitution does not permit federal interference with their activities except through the criminal justice system, armed with its ancient safeguards. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. [Emphasis added] No federal agency, the CIA, the IRS, or the FBI, can be at the same time policeman, prosecutor, judge and jury. That is what constitutionally guaranteed due process is all about.”"

http://members.aol.com/forumlead/Articles/...y/fillbust2.htm

"From 1848 to 1851, Cuban separatists residing in the United States established organizations, released publications, and mustered four filibuster invasions to overthrow the Spanish colonial government and establish a Cuban republic. They were following the Texas model by using American funds, volunteers and weapons to achieve independence. The islanders would later decide the question of statehood through a referendum. Filibuster expeditions led by disgruntled former Spanish Army General Narciso López and his aide-de-camp Ambrosio José Gonzales,violated the Neutrality Law of 1818, prohibiting armed enterprises against nations at peace withthe United States. López's attempts to liberate Cuba had profound consequences for United States-Spanish relations and the course of Cuban history. López, Gonzales and most of the filibuster leadership were Freemasons who relied extensively on the international fraternity to accomplish their plans. There had been a similar precedent in the creation of the Republic of West Florida in 1810 and the Republic of Texas in 1836. Louisiana Freemasons led the revolt against Spain that proclaimed the seventy-two-day Republic of West Florida, an area that was later annexed to their state. In Texas, revolutionary leaders Stephen F. Austin, Samuel Houston, David G. Burnet, Mirabeau Bounaparte Lamar, William B. Travis, David Crockett, James Fannin and Thomas J. Rusk were Freemasons. Twenty-two of the fifty-nine delegates to the Texas Independence Convention were Freemasons, as were all four Presidents and four Vice Presidents of the Texas Republic. Austin had met in the fall of 1835 with thirty-five prominent New Orleans Freemasons who planned the liberation of Texas and established a local committee to raise funds and volunteers. The Cuban revolutionaries tried to emulate this pattern fifteen years later."




As there is no input to the contrary I'll continue to stroll down this hypothesis a bit longer.
It is nothing more than a hypothesis using known events but 'naming' or interpreting them differently. Hopefully in a logical way.

The thought taking shape is that at the heart of the whole issue is a secret so veiled and disturbing that any sane person automatically dumps it if ever even considering it. However as I'm not any sane person...

There seems to have been largescale private accumulations of arms and personnell concentrating in the south east ostensibly for the purpose of dealing with Castro.

"There was a thought stream that sought to co-opt current events as a cover for a domestic operation that basically was an armed insurrection."
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Occuring just three weeks before the Cuban missle crisis, the Battle of Oxford quickly vanished from the public consciousness.

Portions of Willian Doyle's essay "The making of an American insurrection" -1996

- "...My partner Carol Fleisher was preparing to videotape Kennedy aide Burke Marshall about JFK's tapes of the so-called James Meredith crisis in 1962, when Meredith attempted to become the first black student to attend the University of Mississippi. As the cameras were about to roll, Marshall said almost off-handedly, "that was the night we had a little war." "

http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1101/doyle/essay.html

"In Jackson I sat down with William Simmons, the 85-year-old former chief of the Citizens Councils of America, a charming, sophisticated intellectual who in 1962 was the most powerful segregationist in America and the shadow ruler of Mississippi on racial matters, the man who Governor Ross Barnett actually reported to. Simmons explained that from the segregationists point of view, the Battle of Oxford was the decisive turning point in the entire struggle against integration.

I tracked down Robert Shelton, former Imperial Wizard of the United Klans of America and the most powerful Klan leader of the late 20th Century. As the Battle of Oxford drew near, Shelton placed his 20,000 Klansmen on alert and prepared them to move on Oxford with rifles and shotguns. Shelton disclosed what went through his mind on the eve of the battle.

"This," he thought, "could be another War Between the States." "

"William Fauklner's nephew, who in 1962 was Captain of Mississippi Army National Guard Troop E. Falkner explained, "No one knows what went on here then." Then he took his thirty-five year old typewritten after-action report out of his files, and handed it to me, saying "read this."

The document described in extraordinary detail how Falkner and his band of local white men, most of whom were personally opposed to the immediate integration of the University of Mississippi, were ordered into the battle to try to rescue the marshals and Meredith from being massacred by the mob. As I read the report I was dumbfounded by the ferocity of the violence inflicted upon the Guardsmen by their fellow white Southerners. I could only mumble, "this is like combat."

Falkner quickly corrected me: "It WAS combat." "


"The Army memo dated April 19, 1963 reads: "It is considered that the focus of additional attention on this incident would not be in the best interest of the nation . . . Decorations should not be awarded for actions involving conflict between U.S. Army units and other Americans."

Together with James Meredith and many unsung heroes of the Battle of Oxford, this country fought and won the last battle of the American Civil War on October 1, 1962."
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An excerpt from his book


"... ack on the front lines, the marshals had just about run out of tear gas, the only means they had to keep the rioters at bay.

"We've got to have more gas," one marshal demanded of Nicholas Katzenbach.

"We don't have any more right now, but we're working on it" was the reply.

"We've got to have it now," the marshal shouted. "My men are getting slaughtered out there!"

The marshals were pumping out tear gas faster than they could get reserves ready. McShane and the Justice Department officials were pleading for more tear gas to be flown down from Memphis, but the supplies were running so low there that marshals were commandeering crates of gas bombs from the 503d Military Police Battalion's supply. Two hours into the chaos, the riot was abruptly shifting into full-scale combat.

The marshals could hear a shotgun blasting away in the distance, and it was soon joined by the rhythmic "pow-pow-pow" of a .22 automatic. Before long, gunfire seemed to be coming from everywhere. "We were now alone," recalled newsman Ed Turner, "the crowd roaring louder with each barrage, the campus filling up with reinforcements from three states and no guard at the gates to stop them."

Across the region, cars and trucks full of armed and unarmed fighters were surging toward Oxford from all directions, especially from segregationist strongholds in adjacent Alabama and Louisiana. A few scattered Mississippi Highway Patrolmen were blocking potential rioters from the campus, but one patrolman was observed telling a carload of outsiders, "We can't let you in here but if you break into small groups you can sneak in across the railroad tracks."


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"Deputy U.S. Marshal James K. Kemp was a thirty-six-year-old father of three from Nashville, Tennessee. "I was a gunners mate in the Navy" Kemp recalled soon after the riot, "and after my ship went down, I was in the Atlantic Ocean for about an hour." But the riot at Ole Miss, Kemp shuddered, "was the worst thing I've ever been in."

Nicholas Katzenbach grabbed the line to the White House, and finally pleaded for a military rescue.

"For God's sake," he said, "we need those troops!"

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Those who aren't already aware of some of the things the FBI got up to may be intertested to read the highlighted portion:

COINTELPRO-SWP

"Socialist Workers Party Split
The SWP has been outspokenly critical of the Communist Party, USA (CPUSA) and has referred to members of the CPUSA as Stalinists. The recent downgrading of Stalin by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev has given the SWP a psychological propaganda weapon to use against members of the CPUSA. The SWP, an organization of approximately 500 members, has instituted an ambitious program of trying to recruit leaders and active members of the CPUSA into the SWP by capitalizing on the confusion existing inside the CPUSA brought about to no small degree by the downgrading of Stalin. The current SWP program includes sending of the SWP publication "The Militant" and other SWP literature to members of the CPUSA, inviting them to SWP social gatherings and finally attempt to sell them on the SWP program. It is believed the following suggestions are feasible in most of the 15 offices and they are being furnished these offices for consideration in an attached letter.

(1) Furnish names and addresses of CP leaders through selected SWP informants to SWP branch leaders where possible without jeopardy.

(2) Through SWP informants, call attention to articles in the press or congressional committees which identify local communist leadsers and members.

(3) Furnish names and addresses of CP leaders and member to SWP branch leaders by anonymous letters, pretext telephone calls or by slipping the names under the door of SWP headquarters.

(4) Furnish the locations of future CP meetings to SWP leaders so that SWP members can pass out SWP literature to CP members attending.

(5) Discreetly subscribe to "The Militant" for three-month period for special rate at fifty cents in name of several top CP leaders.

(6) Suggest through SWP informants that SWP capitalize on anti-Semitic crimes in the Soviet Union.

The current SWP program aimed at winning recruits from the CPUSA is made to order for the Bureau in increasing disruption inside the CPUSA. It is felt that with careful planning we can capitalize on this situation without jeopardy to any SWP informant or without embarrassment to the Bureau. A.H. Belmont to L.V. Boardman, Oct. 10, 1956

You should make certain that [ ] not obtain the impression that the Bureau has any over-all program in this connection. The informant should feel that [ ] participation is a local situation developed between [ ] and the Agent supervising [ ] operations. Director, FBI to SAC, New York, Nov. 6, 1956 "

bearing in mind the backyard photographs of 'oswald' holding a copy of 'the militant' and a copy of 'the worker'.

A number of points (without necessarily tying them together, but logging them for consideration)

#'Oswald' holds a copy of the militant and a copy of the worker, first in his right hand, secondly to his chest thirdly to his left. This shows both sides of the papers.

#The copies are 'pristine' indicated they may have been purchased precicely for the purpose of the photographs (whatever that may be) and not just for reading. There is a sheet of paper on the ground. (in exactly the same location, following exactly the same contours on the ground, indicating (apart from the progressive shadows on the post) that the photos were all taken at the same 'sitting'. This sheet of paper may have been used for wrapping the news papers, indicating secrecy.

#In april 1962, the FBI in its disruptive COINTELPRO- CPUSA and SWP op. noted that a issue of Worker carried an advertisement referring to a SWP office as the source of tickets to an upcoming event. Seeking to utilise this as a way to disrupt they anonymously contacted both organisation expressing outrage at the apparent association.

#An interesting point to note here is that the SWP indicated solidarity as they were aware of troubles the CP were having at this point and did not wish to 'put the knife into them'. The wording of the SWP response to the anonymous phone call indicated that perhaps they were wise to this attempt at fragmenting the left.



To me the interesting aspect here is a consideration of how the backyard photos fit in.

While the Communists and the Trotskyists traditionally are enemies, this does not mean they cannot form a bipartisanship approach on important issues. At this time the Cuban 'problem' presented one such issue (Civil Rights another). Perhaps the surfacing of the backyard photos tied in with a COINTELPRO op. to disrupt this bipartisanship by associating a 'union' between the CPUSA and the SWP with Oswald and hence with pro-Castro forces, and thus the assassination.?

the FBI showed clearly on whose side they were. In this extract is a outlinf of a program to force Martin Luther King to commit suicide before being able to collect his Nobel Prize. To me, this sort of thing reveals something that is about as low as anyone can go. That such an organisation was allowed to run roughshod over peoples lives and seemingly get away with it condemns the ruling groupings. The idea that these people would balk at assassination doesn't seem so far fetched.

""In an internal FBI monograph dated September 1963 found that, given the scope of support it had attracted over the preceding five years, civil rights agitation represented a clear threat to "the established order" of the U.S., and that Martin Luther "King is growing in stature daily as the leader among leaders of the Negro movement ... so goes Martin Luther King, and also so goes the Negro movement in the United States." This accorded well with COINTELPRO specialist William C. Sullivan's view, committed to writing shortly after King's landmark "I Have a Dream" speech during the massive civil rights demonstration in Washington, D.C., on August 28 of the same year:
We must mark [King] now, if we have not before, as the most dangerous Negro in the future of this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security ... it may be unrealistic to limit [our actions against King] to legalistic proofs that would stand up in court or before Congressional Committees.

The stated objective of the SCLC, and the nature of its practical activities, was to organize for the securing of black voting rights across the rural South, with an eye toward the ultimate dismantlement of at least the most blatant aspects of the southern U.S. system of segregation. Even this seemingly innocuous agenda was, however, seen as a threat by the FBI. In mid-September of 1957, FBI supervisor J.G. Kelly forwarded a newspaper clipping describing the formation of the SCLC to the Bureau's Atlanta field office - that city being the location of SCLC headquarters - informing local agents, for reasons which were never specified, the civil rights group was "a likely target for communist infiltration," and that "in view of the stated purpose of the organization you should remain alert for public source information concerning it in connection with the racial situation."

The Atlanta field office "looked into" the matter and ultimately opened a COMINFIL (communist-inflitrated group) investigation of the SCLC, apparently based on the fact that a single SWP member, Lonnie Cross, had offered his services as a clerk in the organization's main office. 14 By the end of the first year of FBI scrutiny, in September of 1958, a personal file had been opened on King himself, ostensibly because he had been approached on the steps of a Harlem church in which he'd delivered a guest sermon by black CP member Benjamin J. Davis. 15 By October 1960, as the SCLC call for desegregation and black voting rights in the south gained increasing attention and support across the nation, the Bureau began actively infiltrating organizational meetings and conferences.

By July of 1961, FBI intelligence on the group was detailed enough to recount that, while an undergraduate at Atlanta's Morehouse College in 1948, King had been affiliated with the Progressive Party, and that executive director Wyatt Tee Walker had once subscribed to a CP newspaper, The Worker.

Actual counterintelligence operations against King and the SCLC seem to have begun with a January 8, 1962 letter from Hoover to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, contending that the civil rights leader enjoyed a "close relationship" with Stanley D. Levison, "a member of the Communist Party, USA," and that Isadore Wofsy, "a high ranking communist leader," had written a speech for King. 18
On the night of March 15-16,1962, FBI agents secretly broke into Levison's New York office and planted a bug; a wiretap of his office phone followed on March 20.

Among the other things picked up by the surveillance was information that Jack ODell, who also had an alleged "record of ties to the Communist party," had been recommended by both King and Levison to serve as an assistant to Wyatt Tee Walker. Although none of these supposed communist affiliations were ever substantiated, it was on this basis that SCLC was targeted within the Bureau's ongoing COINTELPRO-CP,USA, beginning with the planting of five disinformational "news stories" concerning the organization's "communist connections" on October 24, 1962. 21 By this point, Martin Luther King's name had been placed in Section A of the FBI Reserve Index, one step below those individuals registered in the Security Index and scheduled to be rounded up and "preventively detained" in the event of a declared national emergency; Attorney General Kennedy had also authorized round-the-clock surveillance of all SCLC offices, as well as King's home. 22 Hence, by November 8,1963, comprehensive telephone taps had been installed at all organizational offices, and King's residence.

By 1964, King was not only firmly established as a preeminent civil rights leader, but was beginning to show signs of pursuing a more fundamental structural agenda of social change. Meanwhile, the Bureau continued its efforts to discredit King, maintaining a drumbeat of mass media-distributed propaganda concerning his supposed "communist influences" and sexual proclivities, as well as triggering a spate of harassment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). 24 When it was announced on October 14 of that year that King would receive a Nobel Peace Prize as a reward for his work in behalf of the rights of American blacks, the Bureau - exhibiting a certain sense of desperation - dramatically escalated its efforts to neutralize him.

Two days after announcement of the impending award, COINTELPRO specialist William Sullivan caused a composite audio tape to be produced, supposedly consisting of "highlights" taken from the taps of King's phones and bugs placed in his various hotel rooms over the preceding two years.

The result, prepared by FBI audio technician John Matter, purported to demonstrate the civil rights leader had engaged in a series of "orgiastic" trysts with prostitutes and, thus, "the depths of his sexual perversion and depravity." The finished tape was packaged, along with an accompanying anonymous letter (prepared by Bureau Internal Security Supervisor Seymore F. Phillips on Sullivan's instruction), informing King that the audio material would be released to the media unless he committed suicide prior to bestowal of the Nobel Prize.

"King, look into your heart. You know you are a complete fraud and a great liability to all of us Negroes. White people in this country have enough frauds of their own but I am sure that they don't have one at this time that is any where near your equal. You are no clergyman and you know it. I repeat you are a colossal fraud and an evil, vicious one at that. ...
King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do (this exact number has been selected for a specific reason, it has definite practical significant. You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal fraudulent self is bared to the nation."

Sullivan then instructed veteran COINTELPRO operative Lish Whitson to fly to Miami with the package; once there, Whitson was instructed to address the parcel and mail it to the intended victim. 26 When King failed to comply with Sullivan's anonymous directive that he kill himself, FBI Associate Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach attempted to follow through with the threat to make the contents of the doctored tape public:
The Bureau Crime Records Division, headed by DeLoach, initiated a major campaign to let newsmen know just what the Bureau [claimed to have] on King. DeLoach personally offered a copy of the King surveillance transcript to Newsweek Washington bureau chief Benjamin Bradlee. Bradlee refused it, and mentioned the approach to a Newsday colleague, Jay Iselin."

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"Malcolm X was supposedly murdered by former colleagues in the Nation of Islam (NoI) as a result of the faction-fighting which had led to his splitting away from that movement, and their "natural wrath" at his establishment of a separate mosque, the Muslim Mosque, Inc.

However, the NoI factionalism at issue didn't just happen. It had been developed by deliberate Bureau actions, through infiltration and the "sparking of acrimonious debates within the organization," rumor-mongering, and other tactics designed to foster internal disputes. The Chicago Special Agent in Charge, Marlin Johnson, who also oversaw the assassinations of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, makes it quite obvious that he views the murder of Malcolm X as something of a model for "successful" counterintelligence operations.

Over the years considerable thought has been given, and action taken with Bureau approval, relating to methods through which the NOI could be discredited in the eyes of the general black populace or through which factionalism among the leadership could be created. Serious consideration has also been given towards developing ways and means of changing NoI philosophy to one whereby the members could be developed into useful citizens and the organization developed into one emphasizing religion - the brotherhood of mankind - and self improvement. Factional disputes have been developed - most notable being Malcolm X Little.""
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I put together the following graph based on a number of graphs showing where COINTELPRO were focusing its attention. It clearly shows that, while a major threat to the rights of American citizens were from the shadowy organisations of the right, the FBI did most damage to the organisations on the left, that claimed to be fighting to protect those rights.[indent][/indent]

In reading a post about witnesses being killed, it occurred to me that more people around in the 60s had killed before than I'd thought. I actually don't think I know anyone who has killed (though I doubt they would tell me if they had). But back then with the second world war in 'recent' memory and the korean war as well, plus the vietnam war starting up, there probably was a significant number of still active men who had some experience in killing. (just wanted to log the thought for future reference.) I wonder if anyone has any idea what the percentage of veterans in Dallas 63 might have been?

It seems there is a parallell thread to the whole picture that is largely ignored for some strange reason, perhaps one is that a lot of the information relating to it is only recently being uncovered. There is the recent trials of KKK murderers that were aquitted back in the 60's such as the killers of Emmett Till and Medgar Evers and the Mississippi three. Obviously there are plenty more where they came from. Many bodies in the swamps yet to be even identified. Modern Forensic Anthropologists may in the end do that. But while these people await justice..

Back in October 62 when much attention was put on foreign issues like Cuba, Oxford Mississippi had its own share of troubles in the form of an armed insurrection. Only after the mobilisation of the Army was it put down.

Some of the individuals involved with JFK have interesting coincidences attached to them.

James McShane was the US Marshal who gained notoriety in trying to enforce JFK's orders. He had a prior period of notoriety as well. In 1954 he was suspended from the NY police force over extra curricular activities when he appeared in a photo on the NY times holding an Umbrella over Rocky Marciano. Umbrella - Civil Rights

Yarbrough was also right in the thick of things, he was ordered (JFK had taped his conversations with Barnett and threatened him with them unless he backed off) by Barnett to enforce Kennedy's order.

Adding into this coincidences topic from another topic about Garrison.

" "The constitution does not allow reasons of state to influence our judgement. God forbid it should! We must not regard political consequences, however formidable they might be; if rebellion was the certain consequence, we are bound to say - Justitia fiat, ruat coleum. - Let justice be done, though the heavens fall."


It seems to me that this statement could be interpreted in a number of ways. It's reasonable for Garrison to be familiar with it for a couple of reasons. Firstly from his profession in Law. from this he would have a deep understanding of the full quote. thus when paraphrasing it he means the whole. ie. justice irrespective of any consequences, even the fall of government. Secondly, he probably read 'Time' and the use of it in an article on the Oxford insurrection by Barnett and Walker would not have escaped anyone keeping up with current events.

Walker made a call for men. Louisiana (NO) responded with a promise of 10000. This seldom noted event (oxford insurrection) was so significant that the government sought to bury it by refusing to consider medals for those involved in putting down the rebellion in order to not draw attention to it. The use by 'Time' magazine of the 'heavens fall' quote in this context could be seen as a support by 'Time' for the rebellion. Justice to these right wingers was the defeat of integration. Legal means had been exhausted, arms was next on the agenda.

By Garrison using the quote in New Orleans, I wonder if he was turning the tables and throwing it back in the face of these rightwingers."

It's quite interesting to try to find out anything about this insurrection. Generally it's described as a riot around the registry of Meredith as a student. What is seldom mentioned is that General Edwin Walker was bunkered down in the thick of things, directing the military deployment of the bigots who rallied to his and Barnetts call. He started his involvement from Texas by calling for armed men to rally to Barnetts call. He then made his way to Oxford Mississippi to direct operations. He was arrested after the failed insurrection while trying to sneak out in a car.

Generally today, with so much of the time spent in trying to splice together Cuba and the Mob and the CIA etc, little attention is given to these facts. Often they are glossed over with statements about bovine excrement that fail to address any issues at all. FBI agents(former and current tied to such as the SISS), Highway Patrol, Government officials, ordinary run of the mill bigots, Army Generals etc, who probably were the people amongst whom the assassins can to be found are probably most appreciative of this neglect.

The fact that this is surfacing now as the lead up to 2027 approaches is perhaps a preparation for the truth. Perhaps the coverup has served its purpose, the guilty are dead, the New Order is cemented in place?

revisiting Angletons greenhouse.

It would seem that from the very scant attention paid to Angletons Orchids that the mystery as to what he meant is common knowledge. His room full of Mirrors is shattered and no longer important.

What a wonderful guise for an Orchid. Its very core decoy is accepted as real.

Of course back in Dallas on November 22 for about half a day or so the truth was clear. No 'evidence' had as yet been 'uncovered' so Jackie and her intimates, the average jane and joe citizen, black and white, even Hosty and co, instinctively knew 'they' had done it.

When the 'evidence' came to light, Jackie said "He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for Civil Rights...". The nation followed suit. A wierd and wonderful excursion into lala land ensued which has held generations enthralled for close to half a century.

The conspiracy IS the conspiracy. The perfect self perpetuating Enigma. A little sweetener here, a nudge there, all inexorably steering mind and spirit away from the self evident.

However, as with all such smoke screens, the bigger they get the more diffused they get and the less internal logic they have. Naturally for some time those with deep attachment to aspects of the Orchids camouflage will continue to energetically cover the cracks. A time comes when the glue grows thin a swell. The mirrors disintegrate and the awful truth emerges.

There was a writer in the sixties who I think got it right. None other than Mick Jagger, the lead singer of the geriatric Rolling Stones. Back then they were not so old and along with glamourpusses the Beatles were in the beginning of their Fame. Mick penned the ballad 'Sympathy for the devil', which appeared on the 'Beggars Banquet' album. The stones in time dropped it from their play list as it seemed to provoke people into violent behaviour. The willing after the fact complicity of everybody in accepting the obfuscation re the assassins true nature is what the song deals with. You and I.

""Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year, stole many a man’s soul and faith, and I was ’round when jesus christ had his moment of doubt and pain, made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game. I stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change, killed the czar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain.

I rode a tank, held a general’s rank,
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...

Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name. Ah, what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game, I watched with glee while your kings and queens fought for ten decades for the gods they made. I shouted out,

Who killed the kennedys?
When after all, it was you and me...

Let me please introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste, and I laid traps for troubadours who get killed before they reached bombay. Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game.

Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, oh yeah, but what’s confusing you is just the nature of my game.

Just as every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints, as heads is tails just call me Lucifer ’cause I’m in need of some restraint, so if you meet me have some courtesy have some sympathy, and some taste, use all your well-learned politesse or I’ll lay your soul to waste.

Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name, but what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game. Tell me baby, what’s my name, tell me honey, can ya guess my name, tell me baby, what’s my name? I tell you one time, you’re to blame, what’s my name tell me, baby, what’s my name, tell me, sweetie, what’s my name?""

"The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission, formed in 1956 by the state legislature was actually one of two groups leading the state’s official resistance to civil rights. The second group – the white Citizens’ Councils – was a private organization founded two years earlier in response to Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, KS.

Both aided in maintaining Mississippi’s “closed society” by interchanging information, laundering money, tipping off the Klan and FBI to activities of civil rights activists or doing anything to disrupt the plans and activities of those working on the side of civil rights.

Often working the Yazoo-Mississippi Delta, a part of Mississippi with a heritage of struggle too-often ignored in other accounts, government spies (some former FBI agents or other experienced law enforcement personnel and some veterans with multiple Purple Hearts from military days past, ) gathered whatever data they could to harm black citizens and others who “agitated” for voting and civil rights. These agents worked under the direction of the state Sovereignty Commission.

The commission was intended to prevent outsiders from changing Mississippi's Southern--segregationist--way of life. It was supposed to do this by publicizing how well segregation worked and by secretly keeping watch over those who wished to overturn the system. By the time it closed in 1973, thecommission's investigators had amassed confidential files on 87,000 people, making it the largest state-level spying effort in U.S. history.

Some journalists not so jokingly, referred to the Sovereignty Commission as the “Cotton” or “Magnolia” Gestapo, and for good reason: School superintendents, teachers, college administrators, ministers, doctors, bankers, journalist and any others with information to be used against civil rights advocates were vulnerable to the Commission’s pressures.

Those who did “inform” were both white and black. Some were paid for their tips. Some were not. In turn the Commission was typically protective of white informations but not for blacks.

The information received was passed on where ever it was needed – to town constables, police officers and highway patrol officers (some who belonged to the Klan ) or to bankers and businessmen, school board members, loan officers – Citizens Councils members who could use information to financially punish errant Mississippians and others.

The information kept flowing as the Sovereignty Commission used secrets gained in a variety of ways to harm the enemy – supporters of integration and voting rights for blacks."

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Kennedy was supporter of integration and voting rights for blacks.

In January 63 Kennedy announced an intention to stop the use of literacy as a criteria for voting rights. This had been one of the big stumbling blocks in registering the black voter. In mid 63, Kennedy declared (quite differently from the Eisenhower position of asking the blacks to wait patiently) that the time for waiting is over. (just after midnight after the evening of this speech, Medgar Evers was assassinated by a sniper, the first black death during the Civil Rights era to be referred to as a political assassination). Five months later, one year after dallasite Walkers failed insurrection in Oxford, Mississippi, Kennedy was assassinated by a sniper.

Of course, as the patsy is proven to be more interested in Cuba, and the fact that the proof provided by the authorities about this patsy and his associates clearly point away from any Civil Rights issues, this is all just coincidences. Or to qoute various learned scholars, BS. (not)

On the other hand, if other speculations are appropriate fields of time expenditure,then perhaps an issue that Kennedy stood for and which there is ample evidence of some ordinary Americans and some Generals and Governors are prepared to kill for, like Integration, for example...

It is sometimes recognised that 'researchers' tend to wear blinkers. I think ignoring or hoping that dealing with the true climate that Kennedy encountered when travelling to the south is one way of doing limited 'research'. However the whole truth , of which the following is part, is not going to alter irrespective of any wishes to the contrary. Naturally until it can be shown by reasoned argument that there is no connection here I will continue to push it.

Here is a snapshot of widely divergent psyches, one belonging to a group that did such things as lynch humans (personally I think the possibility that they might also murder presidents is real) and the other a collection of Kennedys sayings indicating to me the true humanity of the man.

This is a true clash of cultures. Bound to cause a spark or two.

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"Cox owed his position on the federal bench to his friend and Ole Miss Law School roommate, James Eastland, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Eastland had the power to block President Kennedy’s appointment of NAACP counsel Thurgood Marshall to the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit—an appointment Kennedy very much wanted to make. Eastland bargained for his old friend, saying to Robert Kennedy, “Tell your brother that if he will give me Harold Cox I will give him the nigger.”

Robert Kennedy and Burke Marshall met with Cox prior to his nomination. Cox assured the Attorney General and the head of the Civil Rights division that he would enforce federal law as it had been interpreted by the Supreme Court. Satisfied with Cox’s assurance, President Kennedy nominated Cox for the federal district bench. As soon as his robe was on, however, Cox became a major obstacle to the Justice Department. In one voting rights suit brought by Doar, for example, Cox refused to let government lawyers inspect the public voting records of Clarke County. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals overruled that and many of Cox’s other decisions, but his manipulations caused considerable delay in the progress of civil rights in Mississippi."
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In 1961 a young president declared that "we would bear any burden, pay any price to secure the blessings of liberty.

Some words from Kennedy(from various speeches and writings, sorted in such a way to help me answer the question "what would Kennedy have done?"):

"Wisdom requires the long view.

Our task is not to fix the blame for the past, but to fix the course for the future.

I am reminded of the story of the great French Marshal Lyautey, who once asked his gardener to plant a tree. The gardener objected that the tree was slow-growing and would not reach maturity for a hundred years. The Marshal replied, "In that case, there is no time to lose, plant it this afternoon."

When written in Chinese, the word crisis is compounded of two characters-one represents danger, and the other represents opportunity.

To those peoples in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required--not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

...will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, creed, color, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.

And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long range risks and costs of comfortable inaction.

Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring these problems which divide us.

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war.

....not peace at the expense of freedom, but both peace and freedom.

....our success or failure, in whatever office we may hold, will be measured by the answers to four questions:

First, were we truly men of courage--with the courage to stand up to one's enemies--and the courage to stand up, when necessary, to one's associates--the courage to resist public pressure, as well as private greed?

Secondly, were we truly men of judgment--with perceptive judgment of the future as well as the past--of our own mistakes as well as the mistakes of others--with enough wisdom to know that we did not know, and enough candor to admit it?

Third, were we truly men of integrity--men who never ran out on either the principles in which they believed or the people who believed in them--men who believed in us--men whom neither financial gain nor political ambition could ever divert from the fulfillment of our sacred trust?

Finally, were we truly men of dedication--with an honor mortgaged to no single individual or group, and compromised by no private obligation or aim, but devoted solely to serving the public good and the national interest.

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Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

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All my life I’ve known better than to depend on the experts. How could I have been so stupid, to let them go ahead?"

I thought I might try some more creative means of eliciting a response re the Civil Rights issue. Though I suppose no response is a response.

It seems it is not difficult for a researcher to believe that contrary to the absense of any evidence believe that because certain members of the mob had a grudge that they would kill Kennedy.

The existence of confrontation between violent individuals and the Kennedy government around the issue of intergration is clear and shows an escalation over the period of Kennedys government. That this might culminate in an assassination, particularly in Dallas, seems to me less farfetched than a mob or castro assassination. Even the fact that the entire investigation (apart from very early on) has steered away from any consideration of the civil rights issues, so that today no one seems to know much of anything about it is an indication of this.

So , here goes. #1. The beg. (to the strains of a solitary violin)

"I beseech Thee o Researchers of whom i as a humble footnote, a doodle, a scribble, in the seldom read margins of the dust covers of reality, i beg Thee all, or any, to cast Thy glance fleetingly into my dark, dusty corner where i huddle patiently awaiting morsels from Thy table of plenty, averting my eyes from the blinding light of Thy reason, hoping for just a scrap of the road map to truth that Thy community so generously affords those far more worthy than i. Just a scrap, that no-one wants, so that i may ponder upon it and perchance, one day devine its meaning, and, Thy willing, one day, be permitted to look over Thy mighty shoulders as Thou turnest the pages of this wondrous book."

(tomorrow : #2. The glossy ad, promising fame, fortune, and oodles and oodles of sensual titillation.)

John, I'm beginning to believe that the key to understanding a lot of the mystery is to try to gain an understanding of General Walker. As Jim Root has pointed out, he connects to Max Taylor...and as you and others have pointed out, he also connects to the ANTI-civil rights community. If the evidence ever emerges DIRECTLY connecting Walker with Oswald, outside the April '63 potshot, then I believe you'll have your connection to the actual conspiracy.

In my freshman year of college, when I thought I might want to study engineering, I had a chemistry class under a professor who was so highly intelligent it was almost scary. It seems that this man had been one of the folks who had been involved in the Manhattan Project during WWII...and the operation had been SO compartmentalized, he had no idea what his work had been a part of until AFTER Hiroshima. Sometime afterwards, his guilt over the colossal destruction wrought by the weapons he'd helped to create caused him to go "over the edge." As I heard later, while his recovery was fairly successful, no references to nuclear weapons, mushroom clouds, or Hiroshima or Nagasaki were allowed near his classroom.

It is this sort of compartmentalization that I believe that Mr. Hemming and others have referenced in their comments. For any operation of such a magnitude to occur, certain segments of the operation only need to know what their OWN contribution is to be, and don't have access to the "big picture." This is why I think the "someone would have talked" theory has a flaw; MOST of those involved in the Manhattan Project had no earthly idea where their contributions would culminate, and if they had known, they likely may have balked at participating. I believe the same level of compartmentalization most likely was used in the JFK assassination...which is why the story of the Murchison party on the night of November 21 doesn't ring true to me.

Mark, we have had our disagreements, but I want to complement you on this post. Your comments on the possible significance of Gen. Walker to the plot, and the role of compartmentilization in an intelligeence operation, are interesting.

I believe that within this information are the leads that will lead to a direct connection. Under cover of a Cuban issue, I suggest that these wholly USA issue driven individuals murdered Kennedy.

Various quotes and posts from various sources:

I believe the head of the Dallas area KKK was the Reverend Roy E. Davis. Davis was the editor of The Fiery Cross.
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From http://www.cuban-exile.com/doc_051-075/doc0062e.html

Q: Was Dixon's name mentioned at anytime, the one in Dallas of the K.K.K.
A: The only man in Dallas that he mentioned that was a good patriot down in Texas, and engineering a lot of activity there was a Mr. Davis a reverend Dr. Davis, a preacher, head of the Klu Klux Klan. He was a man who didn't worry about human life, that he worried about his nation now. I know of Davis for several years. This Milteer now says that he doesn't want too much talk about Kennedy anymore, now he is alledgeling his war against the Jews, and their associates. But the Klu Klux Klan and the Officials which were Mims and Bolings didn't seem too please with the assassination of the President. Their main purpose was to eliminate Martin Luther King and some of the negro leaders. But I don't know, they didn't give him any assurance of anything, except that they would go along with him with his political party, and that they would put out the pamphlets, when they were properly written and given to them. But they didn't indicate in anyway that they had known or assisted in the assassination of the President. But Milteer didn't give them too much chance to talk and discuss, he just issued orders, he carried on the conversation on what had been done, and what had to be done. And of course, these men from Denmark and Orangeburg seemed more enthused to go along with him on the assassination and that they appreciated the assassination of the President than Mims and Boling.
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The Dallas PD first suspected that Davis was the publisher of the Wanted For Treason posters but an unnamed Dallas PD officer said it wasn't Davis because "he knew Davis and he didn't do it."

Going back to the list of GI Forum founders, you might also recognise the name Felix Botello. His name was on a membership list of a Minuteman-like paramilitary group with connections to Edwin Walker. Botello was also a FBI informant. I believe that this information about the meeting at the Carousel Club originally came from Butler. It is possible that it was Butler who provided Dorothy Kilgallen with the information about the Jesse Curry's tapes. Butler also provided information to W. Penn Jones Jr. According to Jones, Butler told him that 50% of the Dallas Police Department were also members of the Ku Klux Klan.
By airtel 1-13-64, Dallas Office reported that on 1-4-64 William James Lowery, Jr. a former security informant of the Dallas Office, reported that he had been contacted by Earl Lively, Jr., of Dallas, Texas. Lowery stated Lively is reported writing an anticommunist book which will stress the Fair Play for Cuba Committee connections of Lee Harvey Oswald. Lively showed Lowery a letter from Herbert Philbrick, former Communist Party member who has testified on behalf of the Government concerning communist activities. According to Lively, Philbrick plans to be in Dallas soon and desires to meet Lowery.

Lively further informed Lowery that he desired Lowery’s assistance in writing his book. He stated that Dr. Robert Morris, former counsel to the Senate Internal Security Committee under Senator McCarthy, was assisting him and Lt. George Butler of the Dallas Police Department was also assisting him. Lively added that Lt. George Butler of the Dallas PD was going to try to get any information he could that the FBI turned over to the Dallas Police Department in connection with the Lee Harvey Oswald case.
It might be interesting to note, that in August of 1941, Butler received a 30 day suspension for punching a black youth while in custody
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Banister's positions attracted the backing of the chairman of the Citizens' Council of Gentilly, Louis Pennington Davis, Jr. (NOTP; March 19, 1961; s 1, p 21) The Gentilly Council was a subunit of the larger Citizens' Council of Greater New Orleans (referred to as GNOCC). Davis had been involved since the inception of GNOCC in 1956 (NOTP; January 27, 1956; p 13) Leander Perez was a member of the board. Other members of the Gentilly section were Robert L. Hickerson and George L. Singelmann, usually identified as an assistant to Perez (NOTP; March 4, 1956; p 28). Perez himself spoke at an early meeting of the Gentilly Council in 1956. His topic was the "menace" of the Supreme Court. (NOTP; March 10, 1956; p 2)

Davis made his position on the NAACP clear: "a small group of Russian Jews with known Communist ties is procuring the vast amounts of money being 'poured into NAACP activities.'" (NOTP; August 5, 1956; p 2)

In 1961, Davis and Singelmann held forth on CORE:


No less than 13 members of its national advisory board belong to numerous organizations that have been cited for their Communist front activities.
The avowed purpose of this organization is to create incidents and excite people to violence. If their objective is successful, the South and the nation will be a seething mass of racial strife and violence. (NOTP; June 3, 1961; S 3, p 20)

During the Ole Miss crisis in 1962, Davis sent the following telegram to General Edwin Walker: "You called for ten thousand volunteers nationwide for Mississippi's fight against Federal tyranny. Will pledge ten thousand from Louisiana alone under your command." (NOTP; September 28, 1962; S 3, p 2)

Davis died September 15, 1971, at the age of 58. (NOTP; September 17, 1971; s 1, p 20)

Banister's next public connection with Perez came with his participation as a speaker in a Fourth of July Rally in 1961 at which Perez was presented a 'patriotism award.' The rally was organized by Delphine Roberts acting on behalf of something called the National Confederation for Conservative Government. Others participating included Festus Brown, of the American Legion's Un-American Activities Committee, and Emile A. Wagner, school board member. Banister and Perez were photographed along with State Supreme Court Justice Walter B. Hamlin and city Judge Oliver P. Schulingkamp. (NOTP; July 2, 1961; s 1, p 14; July 5, 1961; s 1, p 3; unfortunately the photo does not come at all)

In May of 1963, "200 persons from throughout" Louisiana met in Baton Rouge to establish the Louisiana Commitee for Free Electors. State Senator Harold Montgomery of Doyline was elected chairman. Two representatives from each Congressional District were chosen. Guy Banister was selected to represent the First District. (NOTP; May 12, 1963; s 1, p 11) Pages 322 to 327 of Glen Jeansonne's book, "Leander Perez" (Baton Rouge: LSU Press, 1977) describe the interest of Perez in the Free Elector Campaign. Note the mention of Perez's control of the First District on page 323. Banister probably couldn't have been chosen to represent that district without at least the tacit approval of Perez.


Bannister applied for a job with the SSC in Mississippi, I have no record of him getting the job but given his credentials and interests I'd say it's likely.

A group of men were stopped on their way to mississippi with guns, with them was a list of people with interesting links. Offhand I can't find it but it is on the forum.

I have read, and unfortunately at the time didn't consider its significance, but I am prepared to restate it as I remember with confidence that the document exists. : at a KKK rally following the assassination a klan leader announced to the audience "We don't have to worry about Kennedy any more, one of the good ole' boys in Dallas has taken care of that.".

Another individual I would like to find out more about is someone mentioned only by Richard Craig to my knowledge. He described this individual as being a stall holder in the lobby of the DPD. Given the KKK-DPD connection it is interesting as Craig describes him as a rabid bigot. Everyone knew him and came in touch with him daily, it would be interesting to find what his story is. Similarly the Hosty, Harry, DPD, Walther, Jimmy, Kay, Olsen group of people and their connections.

This is Harry's namebase chart. It's surprisingly limited. It is also known he reported not only to the FBI as informant, he was also intimate with Fritz of the DPD and reported to his boss in Washington who was intimately directly connected to Helms and Dulles. In fact any information on Harry Holmes is severely limited, for example there seems to be no photo's of him. He is known to have been in the DPD on the afternoon of the assassination, he is known to have been one of the last people to speak with Oswald, and he is known to have wandered around picking up things in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination. If a photo was found of him, it could make a check with known unknowns in the large set of photos available possible. It is also interesting that there is an FBI report of an informant regarding Ruby inviting the informant to come to the corner of the post office to 'look at the fireworks'. Presumably, this would have referred to the area below Harry's office where Harry observed the motorcade from.
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It has been repeatedly stated that Kennedys death and the work of Johnsson for whatever reason was the basis for the Civil Rights act passed a couple of years after Kennedys death. I don't think the evidence bears this out. Kennedy had committed himself to this very goal. He had the declared that the time for waiting was over. The coming elections were going to have to deal with this. A win for Kennedy would inextricably be a win for civil rights...

Kennedy speech to the nation on Civil Rights, June 11 1963:

"One hundred years of delay have passed since President Lincoln freed the slaves, yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free. They are not yet freed from the bonds of injustice. They are not yet freed from social and economic oppression. And this Nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, will not be fully free until all its citizens are free.

We preach freedom around the world, and we mean it, and we cherish our freedom here at home, but are we to say to the world, and much more importantly, to each other that this is the land of the free except for the Negroes; that we have no second-class citizens except Negroes; that we have no class or caste system, no ghettoes, no master race except with respect to Negroes?

Now the time has come for this Nation to fulfill its promise.The events in Birmingham and elsewhere have so increased the cries for equality that no city or State or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them. The fires of frustration and discord are burning in every city, North and South, where legal remedies are not at hand. Redress is sought in the streets, in demonstrations, parades, and protests which create tensions and threaten violence and threaten lives.

We face, therefore, a moral crisis as a country and a people. It cannot be met by repressive police action. It cannot be left to increased demonstrations in the streets. It cannot be quieted by token moves or talk. It is a time to act in the Congress, in your State and local legislative body and, above all, in all of our daily lives. It is not enough to pin the blame on others, to say this a problem of one section of the country or another, or deplore the facts that we face. A great change is at hand, and our task, our obligation, is to make that revolution, that change, peaceful and constructive for all. Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality.

Next week I shall ask the Congress of the United States to act...."

(Three hours later Medgar Evers was assassinated by a KKK sniper as he was returning home from having listened to this speech, a friend of Medgar who had been with him that evening said that before going home Medgar had seemed unusually quiet and quite disturbed. Medgar had at an earlier event declared a glad willingness to die for his cause.)

Martin Luther King two and a half months later: I have a dream

28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

"I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children..."

About two and a half months later Kennedy was dead.

Some more info on Gen. Walker.

(I'll log a totally unsubstantiated thought here that may for reasons I'm not aware of, at some time be worth considering : Edwin Lopez: Lopez..a spanishisation of lope or the stride of a tall person, Walker was 6'3")

In 1961, Gen. Edwin Walker was commander of the 24th Division of the U.S. Army in West Germany, when he was relieved of his command because he attempted to indoctrinate his men with his political philosophy. Soon after, he resigned from the Army. In 1962-63, Gen. Edwin Walker had the financial backing of Haroldson L. Hunt, in his campaign to fight communism in the U.S.. H. L. Hunt was the richest oilman in Texas. Both men lived and worked in Dallas and were members of the John Birch Society.


The Strange Case of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker - http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/walker.txt


General Edwin A. Walker is known to most JFK assassination buffs as the man whom Oswald allegedly shot at in April 1963. The general's right-wing connections are often noted, as is the fact that he was forced out of his command by the Kennedy administration for his political indoctrination of his troops. His activities during the race riots in Oxford, Mississippi in 1962 are also often mentioned, when he was arrested on four federal charges including insurrection.

His public statement at Oxford was as follows:

This is Edwin A. Walker. I am in Mississippi beside Gov. Ross
Barnett. I call for a national protest against the conspiracy
from within.

Rally to the cause of freedom in righteous indignation, violent
vocal protest and bitter silence under the flag of Mississippi
at the use of Federal troops.

This today is a disgrace to the nation in 'dire peril,' a
disgrace beyond the capacity of anyone except its enemies.
This is the conspiracy of the crucifixion by anti-Christ
conspirators of the Supreme Court in their denial of prayer
and their betrayal of a nation.

[source NYT, 9/30/62]

The Army ordered General Walker to undergo psychiatric testing.

The general's case is strange indeed. But another fact, not often mentioned, makes his activities in 1961-3 even stranger. Going back to 1957, we find him in charge of *enforcing* the desegregation order in Little Rock, Arkansas. His public statements on the matter were limited to exhorting the public to uphold the will of the courts and desegregate peacefully. The following article details his biography up to that time.

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New York Times, September 25, 1957, page 18

HE GUARDS THE PEACE
Edwin Anderson Walker

LITTLE ROCK, Sept. 24 -- Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker, who will be responsible for maintaining peace in Little Rock, was described by staff officers today as "tough, but fair." A tall, lean-visaged Texan, General Walker came to Little Rock only seven weeks ago as commander of the Arkansas Military District. He is still a stranger to the city. Today, General Walker was at his desk in a downtown office building at 7 A.M. He had not yet received formal orders to take over the Arkansas National Guard, but he knew what was coming. Already orders carrying his signature were being processed for the deployment of National Guard units. He will command a combined force of regulars and Federalized Guardsmen.

He stands 6 feet 3 inches in height. He is a bachelor and has been considered a prize for hostesses wherever he has been stationed. He was born in Center Point, Texas, on Nov. 10, 1909.

General Walker's favorite expression is "check," a word he snaps to indicate a mission has been accomplished or that he understands his orders.

As a member of the Special Services group, he was required to be a paratrooper. At his test, he approached a subordinate and asked:

"How do you put this thing on?"

He received a fast five-minute briefing and climbed into an airplane. He jumped, landed safe and snapped to the test officer: "Check."

General Walker is a combat officer. He has seen action in World War II and in Korea. He has carried out a number of unusual and hazardous assignments, particularly during World War II.

He started his military career as an artillery officer after he graduated from West Point in 1931. But he switched to commando operations during the war and led a special force of Canadians and Americans, in Italy and in France.

This outfit, trained for airborne, amphibious, mountain and ski operations, was called the Special Services Force.

General Walker led the Third Regiment, First Special Service Force, in its initial operation at Kiska during the Aleutians campaign. When the commandos were transferred to the Italian campaign, General Walker led the first Special Service Force in tough mountain fighting up the Italian peninsula and at Anzio beachhead.

A Surprise Landing

In August, 1944, his men made a surprise landing on the Hyeres Islands off the French Riviera and killed or captured a strong German garrison that could have jeopardized the Seventh Army landings on the mainland near by.

With the Hyeres occupied, his troops rejoined the main invasion force and moved up the Rhone Valley. Toward the end of the war he was detached from the commandos and placed in command of the 417 Infantry Regiment, a separate force attached to the Third Army. At V-E Day he was commanding a special task unit in Oslo.

Returning to the United States in January, 1946, General Walker served as assistant director of the combined arms department, Field Artillery School, Fort Sill, Okla. He was in charge of the Greek desk at the Pentagon during the Greek civil war and made an official visit to Greece and Turkey.

During the Korean War, General Walker commanded the Seventh Regiment of the Third Infantry Division and later was senior adviser to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. His last assignment before coming to Little Rock was as commanding general at the Twenty-fifth Artillery Division in Hawaii.

He holds the Silver Star and the Bronze Star with oak leaf cluster.
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This is the man arrested on four federal charges in Mississippi in 1962?

Those charges were:

Section 111-- For assault and resisting or other opposing Federal
officers, including marshals, in the performance of their duty.

Section 372-- For conspiracy to prevent a Federal officer from
discharging his duties.

Section 2383-- For inciting or engaging in an insurrection
against the United States.

Section 2384-- For conspiracy to overthrow or oppose by force
the execution of the laws of the United States.


A conspiracy is defined legally as including two or more persons.

On October 7, 1962, Walker posted $50,000 bond and returned home to Dallas amid 200 cheering supporters carrying signs like "Welcome Home, General Walker," "Win With General Walker," and "President '64."

On January 21, 1963, a federal grand jury in Oxford, Mississippi adjourned without indicting Walker on any of the four counts against him.

The Justice Department dismissed the charges "without prejudice" after the grand jury failed to indict. The dismissal "without prejudice" meant that the charges could be reinstated before the five year statute of limitations expired.

Walker and his supporters then went on the offensive. On April 2, 1963, a group called the Citizens Congressional Committee filed a petition with the Senate Judiciary Committee requesting an investigation of the treatment of "America's fearless patriot on the occasion of his incarceration at the instigation of the Department of Justice."

Nine days later, on April 9, Walker was sitting at his desk at home when the famous shooting incident occurred.

Meanwhile, the American Medical Association was receiving "a volume of letters from individual physicians" charging Dr. Charles E. Smith, the Army psychiatrist -- who commented on Walker's mental state at the time of the Oxford violence -- with unethical conduct: that he made an improper diagnosis without a personal examination. Dr. Smith was cleared by the AMA on July 4, 1963. He said that news stories of Walker's "reported behavior reflects sensitivity and essentially unpredictable and seemingly bizarre outbursts of the type often observed in individuals suffering with paranoid mental disorder." The society had received 2,500 letters from physicians alleging unethical conduct by Dr. Smith. Nevertheless, the board unanimously ruled in Smith's favor.

Walker then took his case to court, filing a total of $23 million dollars in libel damages against numerous media outlets alleging that they had made "false statements" and that their "suppression of truth was motivated by malice and a desire to hurt and harm him in his good reputation and blacken his good name." The statements in question were that he "led a charge of students against Federal marshals on the Ole Miss campus" and various other statements attributing to him a very active role in leading the insurrection such as "Walker assumed command of the crowd." A jury in Fort Worth awarded an $800,000 judgment against the Associated Press, ruling that malice was intended.

The offensive was also being taken up by Republicans in Congress in an alliance with Southern Democrats, who wanted to embarrass Attorney General Robert Kennedy because of his civils rights activities. The House Judiciary Committee voted on September 1, 1964 by a margin of 18 to 14 to open an investigation of the Justice Department's handling of cases including, but not limited to, those of Jimmy Hoffa, Roy M. Cohn, and former Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker. The vote among Republican and Southern Democratic committee members was 16-2; that of non-Southern Democrats was 2-12.

Meanwhile, a Louisiana jury awarded Walker $3 million in damages in another one of his libel suits.

His luck started to turn sour however, and finally on June 12, 1967, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 extending the constitutional protection of freedom of the press to libelous falsehoods about private individuals who willingly take part in public affairs. Such protections were already in place concerning libel against political officials, but this was a landmark case extending the applicability to private individuals who willingly venture into the public arena. Walker's awards were overturned.

Chief Justice Warren explained, "Our citizenry has a legitimate and substantial interest in the conduct of such persons... Freedom of the press to engage in uninhibited debate about their involvement in public issues should be subject to derogatory criticism, even when based on false statements."

Walker's name occasionally surfaced in the press after this, usually in connection with anti-UN activities or in connection with the presidential campaign of George Wallace.

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APPENDIX

These articles concern the controversy about right-wing extremism in the
military in the early Sixties, specifically related to General Walker and
the Kennedy administration.

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New York Times, June 18, 1961, page 1

Right-Wing Officers Worrying Pentagon

by Cabell Philips

WASHINGTON, June 17 -- The Pentagon is having its troubles with right-wingers in uniform.

A number of officers of high and middle rank are indoctrinating their commands and the civilian population near their bases with political theories resembling those of the John Birch Society. They are also holding up to criticism and ridicule some official policies of the United States Government.

The most conspicuous example of some of these officers was Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, who was officially "admonished" for his activities by the Secretary of the Army earlier this week.

General Walker's offense was in saying that a number of prominent Americans, as well as elements of the newspaper and television industries, were tainted with Communist ideology.

He did this in the course of a continuing effort that the general said was "designed to develop an understanding of the American military and civil heritage, responsibility toward that heritage and the facts and objectives of those enemies who would destroy it."

General Walker was the commander of the Twenty-Fourth Infantry Division in Germany at the time...

The problem for the Pentagon arises out of the fact that a number of its higher ranking officers have participated in or publically lent their support to a variety of so-called forums, schools, and seminars, ostensibly focused on the issues of national security. However, many of those groups -- at least incidentally -- are preoccupied with radically right-wing political philosophies.

Stress on Anti-Communism

The chief ingredient of these philosophies is often a militant anti-communism. The argument is that Communist subversion today is rife among the schools, the churches, labor unions, Government offices, and elsewhere.

In this argument, liberalism is equated with socialism and socialism with communism. Thus it opposes most welfare legislation, many programs for international cooperation such as foreign aid and disarmament conferences...

The genesis of this program goes back to the so-called "cold war policy" evolved by the National Security Council in the summer of 1958...

Cold War Widened

President Eisenhower and his top policy leaders decreed that the "cold war" could not be fought as a series of separate and often unrelated actions, as with foreign aid and propaganda. Rather, it must be fought with a concentration of all the resources of the Government and with the full understanding and support of the civilian population. It was decided, in particular, that the military should be used to reinforce the "cold war" effort.

This was the substance of the still-classified "cold-war policy" paper of the National Security Council...

Of the hundreds of military bases here and abroad, only a score have become involved in these programs to the point that they have caused alarm among the new civilian team in the Pentagon. Officials suspect, however, that the trend is somewhat more widespread than their reports currently indicate. They are quietly trying to find out how widespread it is.

A typical example about which they do know is a seminar labeled Project Action.

This was held at the Naval Air Station, Wold-Chamberlain Field, Minneapolis, on April 28 and 29 of this year. Capt. Robert T. Kieling is the commanding officer of the station. He was a co-sponsor of the program in collaboration with a committee of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Chamber of Commerce.

The official announcement described the program as follows:

"The purpose of Project Action is to inspire the citizens of this area to take an active part in the war against the danger that threatens our freedom and American way of life."

"The program of talks and presentations by nationally-known leaders for the cause of democracy will bring to light facts and figures concerning the rising crime rate, juvenile delinquency, drug addiction, the general degradation of morals, the complacent attitude toward patriotism, and the tremendous gains the Communist conspiracy is making in this country..."

The United States Naval Air Station is making facilities available for the seminar at the request of the Twin Cities Council for American Ideals...

Among the scores of letters concerning Project Action that reached the Pentagon in the following days was one from a newspaper editor. It said in part:

"Perhaps someone can clear up for us our lack of understanding as to just how co-sponsorship of such activities fits in with the Navy mission, or the overall military mission, for that matter. It must be admitted that the local Project Action is politically partisan in a very real sense, although the partisanship is not that of the party label type." ...

Among numerous other incidents that have been brought to the attention of the Defense Department is the "Fourth Dimensional Warfare Seminar" held in Pittsburgh on April 15. Among those listed as giving "assistance and support" to the program were Lieut. Gen. Ridgely Gaither, Commanding General, Second Army, and Maj. Gen. Ralph C. Cooper, Commanding General of the Twenty-First Army Corps, and their respective staffs...

"This sort of thing, if carried far enough among susceptible people, can breed a wave of vigilantism and witch-hunting," one Pentagon official said. "Even Mr. Hoover of the F.B.I., whom nobody would call 'soft on communism,' deplores these self-appointed counter-spies." ...

Reinforcing his point, he took from his desk a memorandum from Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, which has been circulated as "guidance" throughout the services. In part, it said:

"After the President has taken a position, has established a policy, or after appropriate officials in the Defense Department have established a policy, I expect that no member of the department, either civilian or
military, will discuss that policy other than in a way to support it before the public." ...

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New York Times, September 8, 1961

McNamara Refuses to Identify Individual Censors in Pentagon

But He Gives Senators a List of Security Staff --
Thurmond Voices Criticism of Policy on Anti-Red Speeches

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 -- Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara refused today to give the name of the person in the Pentagon immediately responsible for deleting anti-Communist statements from speeches by an Army general.

He did provide a roster of the twelve-man security and review staff, which clears speeches. But he declined to identify particular individuals in the section who had made specific deletions.

The demand for this information was made by Senator Strom Thurmond, Democrat of South Carolina, at the close of hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee on his resolution for a full investigation of charges that military officers have been "muzzled." ...

It was also learned today that Gen. Edwin A. Walker, deposed last spring from his command in Europe because of the nature of his troop indoctrination program, had pleaded the military equivalent of the Fifth Amendment's guarantee against self-incrimination during the investigation of his case by the Army Inspector General...

The entire transcript of the proceedings involving General Walker, which runs to more than 900 pages, is in the process of being declassified by the Department of Defense...

Senator Thurmond's inquiry today related to a speech prepared for delivery last March by Gen. Arthur G. Trudeau, Chief of Army Research. In testimony today it was indicated that the excisions had the effect of softening the general's blunt criticism of Soviet policies and tactics.

Mr. McNamara said that the justifications for the changes was that negotiations were then going on with the Russians for release of the downed RB-47. It was regarded as impolitic at the time, he explained, to provoke the Russians unnecessarily...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 1

KENNEDY ASSERTS FAR-RIGHT GROUPS PROVOKE DISUNITY

Attacks Birch Society and 'Minutemen' at a Party Dinner in Los Angeles

Spread of Fear Scored

President Says Real Threat Comes From Without, Not Within

by Tom Wicker

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18-- President Kennedy spoke out tonight against the right-wing John Birch Society and the so-called Minutemen in a speech at a Democratic Party dinner here.

The President mentioned neither group by name but left no doubt whom he meant.

[In Atlanta, Senator Barry Goldwater, Arizona Republican, attacked
the "radicals in the White House." At a news conference, he called
President Kennedy the "wagon master" who is "riding on the left
wheel all the time."]

The President, in his talk at the Hollywood Palladium, also made his first public response to Edward M. Dealey, publisher of the Dallas Morning News. Mr. Dealey attacked the President at a White House luncheon for "riding Caroline's tricycle" instead of being "a man on horseback."

Some 'Escape Responsibility'

"There have always been those fringes of our society who have sought to escape their own responsibility by finding a simple solution, an appealing slogan or a convenient scapegoat," Mr. Kennedy said.

Now, he continued, "men who are unwilling to face up to the danger from without are convinced that the real danger comes from within."

"They look suspiciously at their neighbors and their leaders," he declared. "They call for a 'man on horseback' because they do not trust the people. They find treason in our finest churches, in our highest court, and even in the treatment of our water."

"They equate the Democratic Party with the welfare state, the welfare state with socialism, and socialism with communism. They object quite rightly to politics' intruding on the military -- but they are anxious for the military to engage in politics." ...

Mr. Kennedy chose a region in which the John Birch Society has some of its strongest support to make his third and sharpest attack on what he called tonight "the discordant voices of extremism."

In the first two speeches, at Chapel Hill, N. C., and Seattle, he also warned against left-wing and pacifist extremists. His remarks tonight were directed to far-right groups and individuals.

The reference to "armed bands of civilian guerillas" appeared to be directed at the Minutemen, individual groups of which are being organized and armed in some parts of the country. The organization is reputed to be particularly strong in California.

Los Angeles is regarded as almost the heartland of the Birch Society. Two Republican Representatives from its urban districts, John H. Rousselot and Edgar W. Hiestland, are avowed members. ...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 54

RIGHTISTS PICKET KENNEDY SPEECH

3,000 Parade in Los Angeles in Orderly Demonstration

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18-- Raucous picketing took place outside the Hollywood Palladium where President Kennedy spoke.

For nearly an hour, 3,000 persons paraded, carrying signs and chanting and singing their protests over a variety of issues.

The demonstration, which started rather mildly five hours before the President spoke, was suddenly stepped up by an apparent influx of rightists.

Some of the signs carried by men and women wearing red, white, and blue paper hats, read: "Unmuzzle the Military," "Clean Up the State Department," "Veto Tito," "Disarmament is Suicide," and "CommUNism is Our Enemy."

The marchers sporadically chanted "Test the Bomb," and, "No Aid to Tito." They sang, among other things, "God Bless America" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."

A much smaller contingent of pacifist marchers was elbowed out. Most of these carried signs urging the end of all atomic testing...

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New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 54

Eisenhower Travels Aloft With Kennedy

SHERMAN, Tex. Nov. 18 (AP) -- President Kennedy and former President Dwight D. Eisenhower rode together to Perrin Air Force Base near here by helicopter today after attending the funeral of Sam Rayburn at near-by Bonham.

Senator Carl Hayden, Democrat of Arizona, was also on the helicopter.

Mr. Kennedy and General Eisenhower stood together talking by the side of the aircraft for about two minutes. Mr. Kennedy gestured repeatedly with his left hand and appearing to be explaining something to General Eisenhower. General Eisenhower listened intently and shook his head affirmatively several times.

They shook hands. Mr. Kennedy then walked briskly to his plane and General Eisenhower got into an Air Force automobile.

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New York Times, November 24, 1961, page 1

Eisenhower Says Officers Should Stay Out of Politics

Assails Extremists In TV Interview

Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower last night urged officers of the armed services to shun partisan politics.

Speaking as a General of the Army, he declared it was "bad practice -- very bad" for an officer, even when testifying under oath before a committee of Congress, to express opinions "on political matters or economic matters that are contrary to the President's." ...

The former President was blunt in discussing the recent "rise of extremists" in the country.

"I don't think the United States needs super-patriots," he declared. "We need patriotism, honestly practiced by all of us, and we don't need these people that are more patriotic than you or anybody else."

His definition of extremists embraced those who would "go back to eliminating the income tax from our laws and the rights of people to unionize... [and those] advocating some form of dictatorship." It also included those who "make radical statements [and] attack people of good repute who are proved patriots."

At that point, Walter Cronkite of the C.B.S. news staff, who conducted the interview, asked about the "military man's role in our modern political life." He did not cite, but obviously referred to, the case of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, who stirred up a controversy that led to his "admonishment" for the political nature of the indoctrination of his troops. General Walker lated resigned from the Army.

"I believe the Army officer, Navy officer, Air officer," General Eisenhower said, "should not be talking about political matters, particularly domestically, and never in the international field, unless he is asked to do so because of some particular position he might hold." ...

The general declared there was hope for disarmament and better East-West relations. As the Russian standard of living improves, the Russian people will begin to understand that there is another way of life, he said...
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from other topics.
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Four days after JFK's announcement, a group of right-wing nuts comprised of businessmen and ex and current military officers, met in New Orleans as the "Congress For Freedom". One of those businessmen was William B. Reilly, who owned the William B. Reilly Coffee Company and was a financial supporter of all kinds of right-wing causes. Among the topics discussed at this two day event were the assassinations of JFK, RFK and Dr. King. The fact that there were active military officers present indicates to me that the assassination of the President was being discussed at military levels.

A week after this meeting, a fake assassination attempt is staged against Gen. Walker. Less than two weeks later, Oswald is off to New Orleans, presumably to gather information on the plot to kill JFK. He gets a job at (of all places) the William B. Reilly Coffee Co. as a mechanic. According to witnesses, he doesn't spend much time there though and instead hangs out at Adrian Alba's garage across the street, where he questions Alba regarding mail-order guns.

To bolster my claim of Oswald being an informant, Alba claimed that he saw Oswald receive an "envelope" from a "Secret Service" man from Washington. Alba further claimed that this man met Oswald twice, my experience telling me that the first meeting was to pass to Oswald pictures of individuals or informaton that they needed, the second meeting was for Oswald to deliver and receive payment for services rendered.

Keep in mind that it is during this time that the training camp at Lake Ponchartrain is operational (in violation of Kennedy's orders), and that a team of shooters is being trained at the CIA facilities in the Florida Keys. The same team that will move into Ponchartrain shortly before Oswald arrives there, as a guest of David Ferrie.

Exactly a week after Oswald's arrival, the FBI raids the camp. Several days later, Oswald is in Carlos Bringuier's store trying to find out where the "kill team" is now training. But Bringuier pegs him as an FBI informant and tells him nothing.

A couple of days later, having been identified as the "rat" on the Ponchartrain camp, Oswald is sent by Bannister to pass out pro-Castro handbills on a New Orleans streetcorner, where he is filmed by a man named John Martin from St. Paul, Minnesota. Martin is a friend of General Walker's.


When an ensuing scuffle breaks out between Oswald and the anti-Castro Cubans, the resulting arrests give General Walker and his co-conspirators the proof they need to connect Oswald to Castro. It comes in the form of official records, an audio radio interview and a video recording.
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Buchanan rewrites history

Buchanan appears to not be a very deep thinker, either that or he has reasons for tailoring reality in order to argue his case. Krennedy's approach to civil rights was a marked change from the previous administration. Johnson faced up to the inevitable that Kennedy had chosen to go into the 64 elections with : a legislation driven approach to civil Rights. He had declared an end to waiting...

The idea that these right wingers were not prepared to face death around the issue of segregation is equally absurd. These were the backers, instigators of the insurrection of 62, they supported organisations that regularly did things that made candidates for death penalty. This is why they may have appeared to not be overly concerned with the blacks in Dallas, : through bitter history, they knew their place!

63 ' Texas is the south, a south where General Walker can call on men from other states and have them respond. With guns.

From John Simkins topic on Buchanan:

Thomas G. Buchanan looks at the motives of the conspirators. Remember, this was published in May, 1964.

"1. On civil rights, despite the fact that Lyndon Johnson is a Southerner, there is no overwhelming difference between the martyred President and his successor. Johnson is, by Southern standards, rather liberal in his approach to civil rights. He is no Dixiecrat; he certainly can be expected to pursue a policy of gradual extension of desegregation practically indistinguishable from the previous administration. It is for this reason that I have not even bothered to discuss the possibility that Kennedy was murdered by pro-segregationists. I find no evidence at all which would sustain this thesis. Anti-Negro sentiment, of course, plays an important part in furnishing a mass basis for extreme right-wing activity in the United States, just as anti-Semitism did in Germany, during the rise of Hitler. Thyssen was not, however, motivated by his anti-Semitism, but by certain economic objectives in which he thought the Nazis would serve a useful purpose. I do not believe that any Texas millionaire would risk electrocution to finance the President's assassination for such motives. He would have no contact with the Negro population of his State, who represent a mere 12 per cent of those who live in Texas. Dallas is not Birmingham, and Texas is not Mississippi. The right-wing of Dallas is inflamed against the Reds; it scarcely notices the Blacks' existence."


The FBI, (whos members past and present were part of the anti integration fighti) dentified the communist with the civil rights activist in no uncertain terms

Article page 12 Time magazine October 26, 1962

"COMMUNISTS
Gee, Men

Last week in The Nation, former FBI Agent Jack Levine reported that nearly 1,500 of the Communist Party's 5,500 members are FBI informants -- almost one out of six. [actually almost one out of four: one out of 3.66 or 100 out of 366] Since members must pay party dues, this would make the FBI the largest single financial supporter of the Communist Party, USA. Concluded Levine : "The day will soon come when FBI informants, who are rising rapidly to the top, will capture complete control of the party." "

There appears to be a little bit of comment on Angleton occurring on the forum at the moment. Unfortunately it is often of the 'throw the baby out with the bath water' kind. Angletons business was deception. He was supremely good at it. The problem with good deception is that it takes careful scrutiny to assess it. Mostly I think one doesn't want to go to the trouble.

Some things to bear in mind with Angleton: All people go through stages. Angleton at 10 for example could not be said to be a master spy. Was the poet at Yale the master spy? The military man? Or the delusional old man? During this life span, no doubt this man said and did things that were true. similarly things that were not true. His adult profession was deceit. It started by looking at and trying to decode deceit. In the proces he became skilled at it. Did this then permeate all of his life , personal and 'public'. Or was he capable of coming home and leaving work at work for periods of time? I think it's reasonable to assume so. So, blanket statements such as 'Angleton is completely discredited' are incorrect. His job was to blur the distinction between what is clearly discreditable and what is clearly true. To arrive at the conclusion that much of his 'output' in life is discreditable is not a particularly magnificent thing. The thing to try to do is to understand him and through that gain some insight into how to read his many enigmatic acts. They need to be put in a historical context.: Which period in his life do they belong to? Whatever the act may be, how do we know about it? Is the knowledge of it verifiable? Whatever it may be, a comment, a writing, an act, what does it reveal in the sense of the unspoken, undone?

The most significant concept that Angleton brought to attention was the 'room full of mirrors'. How he himself used it is something else entirely. The 'idea' is quite separable from the fomulator of it. To not get lost in the room of mirrors, or deceived by a camouflaged orchid (another 'concept' he used to describe this room of mirrors) one needs to study Angleton. I get an impression that he was quite contemptuous of people in general and got a certain amount of 'jollies' from carrying on the way he did. This overlaps into his professional life more towards the end. He also seems to have had a desire to tell what he knew, possibly to even scores. The telling of the orchid analogy seems to be in typical 'mirror' style to be like this. I think that at that moment he was telling the truth (which is quite separate from the concept itself, which is true irrespective of who tells it) and that his forceful separation between on the one hand Nosenko and on the other Angletons greenhouse. The orchid analogy was a revelation.

My uinderstanding is that there is a movie happening shortly (de Caprio?) about Angleton. It would be good to get on the record as much clarity as possible before some of the lies are popularised.

Leading on from Tippit topic


JEFFERSON LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY
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Company History:
Date Event
01-01-1800 JEFFERSON LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, DALLAS, TEXAS
01-01-1900 FIRST LICENSE ISSUED
11-23-1953 FORMERLY: COMMONWEALTH CASUALTY AND INSURANCE COMPANY DALLAS, TEXAS
10-06-1964 REINSURED BY TEXAS JEFFERSON LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY
DALLAS, TEXAS C/A CANCELLED 11/09/1964

By the end of the 1850s life insurance sales again began to increase, climbing to almost $200 million by 1862 before tripling to just under $600 million by the end of the Civil War; life insurance in force peaked at $2 billion in 1871 [Figures 3 and 4]. Several factors contributed to this renewed success. First, the establishment of insurance departments in Massachusetts (1856) and New York (1859) to oversee the operation of fire, marine, and life insurance companies stimulated public confidence in the financial soundness of the industry. Additionally, in 1861 the Massachusetts legislature passed a non-forfeiture law, which forbade companies from terminating policies for lack of premium payment. Instead, the law stipulated that policies be converted to term life policies and that companies pay any death claims that occurred during this term period [term policies are issued only for a stipulated number of years, require reapplication on a regular basis, and consequently command significantly lower annual premiums which rise rapidly with age]. This law was further strengthened in 1880 when Massachusetts mandated that policyholders have the additional option of receiving a cash surrender value for a forfeited policy.



The Civil War was another factor in this resurgence. Although the industry had no experience with mortality during war – particularly a war on American soil – and most policies contained clauses that voided them in the case of military service, several major companies decided to ensure war risks for an additional premium rate of 2% to 5%. While most companies just about broke even on these soldiers’ policies, the goodwill and publicity engendered with the payment of each death claim combined with a generally heightened awareness of mortality to greatly increase interest in life insurance. In the immediate postbellum period, investment in most industries increased dramatically and life insurance was no exception. Whereas only 43 companies existed on the eve of the war, the newfound popularity of life insurance resulted in the establishment of 107 companies between 1865 and 1870 [Figure 1].

just a thought on this. I wonder how the profits go for a life insurance company while people feel secure? Perhaps strife and insecurity is more profitable?

(what, if any, were ties between kkk orother right wing organisations to the JLIC?)

New York Times, November 19, 1961, page 1
KENNEDY ASSERTS FAR-RIGHT GROUPS PROVOKE DISUNITY

Attacks Birch Society and 'Minutemen' at a Party Dinner in Los Angeles, Spread of Fear Scored, President Says Real Threat Comes From Without, Not Within.

by Tom Wicker

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 18-- President Kennedy spoke out tonight against the right-wing John Birch Society and the so-called Minutemen in a speech at a Democratic Party dinner here. The President mentioned neither group by name but left no doubt whom he meant.

[In Atlanta, Senator Barry Goldwater, Arizona Republican, attacked
the "radicals in the White House." At a news conference, he called
President Kennedy the "wagon master" who is "riding on the left
wheel all the time."]

The President, in his talk at the Hollywood Palladium, also made his first public response to Edward M. Dealey, publisher of the Dallas Morning News. Mr. Dealey attacked the President at a White House luncheon for "riding Caroline's tricycle" instead of being "a man on horseback."

Some 'Escape Responsibility'

"There have always been those fringes of our society who have sought to escape their own responsibility by finding a simple solution, an appealing slogan or a convenient scapegoat," Mr. Kennedy said. Now, he continued, "men who are unwilling to face up to the danger from without are convinced that the real danger comes from within. They look suspiciously at their neighbors and their leaders," he declared. "They call for a 'man on horseback' because they do not trust the people. They find treason in our finest churches, in our highest court, and even in the treatment of our water. They equate the Democratic Party with the welfare state, the welfare state with socialism, and socialism with communism. They object quite rightly to politics' intruding on the military -- but they are anxious for the military to engage in politics." ...

Mr. Kennedy chose a region in which the John Birch Society has some of its strongest support to make his third and sharpest attack on what he called tonight "the discordant voices of extremism." In the first two speeches, at Chapel Hill, N. C., and Seattle, he also warned against left-wing and pacifist extremists. His remarks tonight were directed to far-right groups and individuals.

The reference to "armed bands of civilian guerillas" appeared to be directed at the Minutemen, individual groups of which are being organized and armed in some parts of the country. The organization is reputed to be particularly strong in California.

Los Angeles is regarded as almost the heartland of the Birch Society. Two Republican Representatives from its urban districts, John H. Rousselot and Edgar W. Hiestland, are avowed members. ..."

from Buckley post well worth reading: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=42926

"The National Review’s first target was Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon. Buckley attacked what he saw was the administration’s concessions to communism and the welfare state. Buckley described Eisenhower program as “essentially one of measured socialism”."

The Smoot Report, Buckley, and General Walker


The first conspiracy publicised was promoted by the JBS through Dan Smoots 'the Smoot Report'

It pointed to a conspiracy that pointed at the percieved enemies of the USA foreign communism, but not at the enemies that the Birchers were engaged with such as domestic liberals, civil rights activists. In this way they pointed away from a suggestion that they were involved.

DAN SMOOT
"In 1962, Dan Smoot's The Invisible Government exposed as fronts for international Bolshevism a number of policy groups. Democracy was teetering. Smoot had unearthed the enemies in our midst: the Committee for Economic Development, the Advertising Council, the Atlantic Council (formerly the Atlantic Union Committee), the Business Advisory Council and the Trilateral Commission. Smoot, incidentally, reported to FBI headquarters in Washington before he was bitten by the bug to publish his neo-fascist newsletter, The Dan Smoot Report. "Somewhere at the top of the pyramid in the invisible government," he wrote, "are a few sinister people who know exactly what they are doing: They want America to become part of a worldwide socialist dictatorship under the control of the Kremlin" (Political Research Associates).

The rabble rousing of Welch, Manion, Smoot and other Birch Society celebrities was understandably disturbing to some of the political targets of the abuse."

READERS DIGEST
Reader's Digest? The "funny little magazine" dredges up another directorate often linked to such groups - the CIA. In the Eisenhower period, propagandists on the Agency payroll were featured on a regular basis in the Digest, including Allen Dulles, Carl Rowan, James Burnham, Brian Crozier and Stewart Alsop. The magazine remains a glib tool of CIA propaganda.

"An exception to the public apathy that met Welch's cultic bund was William Kintner, a former CIA officer who castigated critics of the extreme right in the the May, 1962 issue of Reader's Digest. Kintner maintained that the "campaign" waged against radical right havens like the John Birch Society began when "dossiers in Moscow's espionage headquarters were combed for the names of unsuspecting persons in the United States who might do the Kremlin's work." Anyone maligning the home corporate-military state was therefore a suspected Soviet agent hawking "disinformation.""



"Hey, Hey, JFK - How Many Birchers Gunned You Down Today?"
But the Birch Society's ambitions went far beyond control of small-town politics. Members taking objection to Kennedy's Communist "appeasement" policies went so far as to plot the overthrow of the government.

In 1962, Dallas officials of the John Birch Society attended a meeting with H.L Hunt, General Edwin Walker, Robert Morris (leader of the Defenders of American Liberty, president of Plato University in New Jersey and former chief counsel for the U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee), and Larrie Schmidt, a veteran of two tours of Army duty in Munich who idolized Hermann Goering. Back home, Schmidt, his head wheeling with Bircher propaganda disseminated by General Walker back in Germany, took a position at United Press International. He had made plans while stationed in the Rhineland to start an organization he called CUSA, short for "Conservatism U.S.A."

By the summer of 1962, Schmidt organized a platoon of zealots from the Military Police and Counter-Intelligence Corps. Look magazine (January 26, 1965) reported that Schmidt "trained a small, disciplined band of soldier-conspirators to follow him stateside and do, he hoped, 'whatever is necessary to accomplish our goal.'" Schmidt's coup plan called for infiltrating conservative organization around the country, and marshalling them to overthrow of the Kennedy government. The core of this seditious secret army was to be the first organization drawn into Schmidt's plan - Young Americans for Freedom, the Birch Society offshoot that boasted some 50,000 members - by arrangement with Heidelberg-born Major General Charles Willoughby, true name Weidenbach, a YAF founder,..."


RONALD REAGAN
"The name Kennedy irritated the colons of good Birchers everywhere. Ronald Reagan, president of the Screen Actors' Guild and FBI snitch, under secret contract with MCA management, emerging political star in Hollywood, was closer to the mark. After the 1964 presidential election, Democratic Party officials crafted a plan to take on right-wing extremists in the public arena, including one of Reagan's support groups, Citizens for Constitutional Action a "conservative" grassroots organization that had backed Goldwater in his presidential run and thereby splinter the Republicans.

As it happened, both Goldwater and the John Birch Society received lavish support from J. Howard Pew, owner of the Sun Oil Company (Colby and Dennett, The Will Be Done, HarperCollins, 1995, p. 453).

The Republicans countered with measures tailored to ensure party unity. Reagan was cautioned not to allow himself to be defined as either a moderate or conservative. "During one secret strategy meeting," Curt Gentry (in The Last Days of the Late, Great State of California Putnam's, 1968) wrote, "John Rousselot, national public relations director of the John Birch Society, approached Stuart Spencer with a coldly pragmatic offer: the society would be glad to endorse Reagan or denounce him, whichever would help most" (p. 125). When Reagan was sworn in as governor of California on January 2, 1967, he was congratulated by Robert Welch himself. Welch proudly proclaimed that the Birch Society was, "in large part," deserving of credit for Reagan's electoral victory.


JBS, BUCKLEY, and the NATIONAL REVIEW
"The Birch Society was founded in 1959 by Robert Welch. Welch attended the U.S. Naval Academy and studied law at Harvard for two years. He was vice president of the James O. Welch candy company in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He was also vice chairman of the Massachusetts Republican Party Finance Committee in 1948. Welch made an unsuccessful bid for the office of Lt. Governor in the 1950 Republican primary. He was a ranking director of the National Association of Manufacturers, the subject of many a rancorous essay by George Seldes, who found NAM, in the 1950s, to be a hive of reactionary corporate intrigues. His funding came primarily from Texas oil billionaire H.L. Hunt - a Texas oil "patriot" and the sponsor of a vitriolic right-wing radio program, Lifeline, that aired in 42 states - Pew's Sunoco, and NAM's corporate constituents

According to Welch, both the US and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the US government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist new world order managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"

This was the game, substituting "fascist" with "socialist," reversing the perceived polarity of corporatism. The Birch Society "incorporated many themes from pre-WWII rightist groups opposed to the New Deal, and had its base in the business nationalist sector."

... the National Review, in the early days indistinguishable from Birch Society propaganda. It was edited by William F. Buckley, a close friend of Welch's. In the first issue, released on November 19, 1955, Buckley printed a "Publisher's Statement" in which he declared war on "the Liberals who run the country," echoing the rhetoric of the Birch Society. The Review, Buckley boasted, "stands athwart history, yelling Stop!" "

" William F. Buckley advertised himself as an independent thinker, journalist and publisher. But documents declassified by the Assassination Records Review Board have debunked his profiling. In Watergate "Plumber" Howard Hunt's Office of Security file, Dan Hardway of the House Select Committee found a number of documents concerning William F. Buckley. He was not merely a CIA agent. Buckley was a ranking officer, stationed for a spell in Mexico City to direct covert operations. Thereafter, Buckley attempted to conceal his CIA rank with Hunt's assistance. Documents subpeoned by Congress note that some articles published by the National Review were in fact written by the CIA's E. Howard Hunt (for instance, a review of The Invisible Government, by David Wise, a book highly critical of the Agency). When Buckley left the CIA to publish National Review, he maintained a subdued relationship with Hunt. (Jim DiEugenio, "Dodd and Dulles vs. Kennedy in Africa," Probe, January-February 1999, Vol. 6, No. 2).


WALKER,JBS
http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/the_early_days.html
"General Edwin A. Walker resigned from the Army in November1961 after he was chastised by the Pentagon for distributing Birch Society propaganda to his troops. He was temporarily relieved of command, pending an investigation. Walker - a Bircher, also the head of Committee for the Defense of Christian Culture, a group with chapters in Bonn, Germany established by a Nazi - ultimately buffooned his way into a number of footnotes in Camelot history. Lee Harvey Oswald reportedly attempted to kill him, and the general once made a bid for governor but finished last in the 1962 Democratic runoff. Dick Russell recalls, "Late in September, 1962, the general made headlines around the world. James Meredith was seeking to become the first black ever admitted to the University of Mississippi. It was a landmark moment in the fight against racial segregation. Meredith's entry was mandated by a federal court order, and when Mississippi governor Ross Barnett set out to block it, Kennedy ordered National Guardsmen deployed on Meredith's behalf. That was when General Walker called for ten thousand civilians to march on Oxford, Mississippi, in opposition. Walker was on the scene when rioting erupted against four hundred federal marshals escorting Meredith onto the campus." Two people were killed in the melee, and 70 were wounded. The next morning, "Walker was arrested by federal authorities on four counts, including insurrection, and flown for psychiatric observation to the Medical Center for Federal Prisoners at Springfield, Missouri." The Liberty Lobby, another fascist front, hastened to General Walker's defense, and blamed the Kennedys for waging a campaign against Walker to "reduce his prestige" and "asset value to the anti-Communist cause" (p. 309).

Back in 1957, General Walker was actually credited with furthering the cause of racial integration after he led federal troops integrating the schools in Little Rock, Ark. Actually, Gen. Walker led the troops only after President Eisenhower refused his resignation, historian Don E. Carleton, author of Red Scare, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "He did not want to carry out that order," Mr. Carleton said. "He did not believe in racial integration" (General Walker obituary, AP release, November 2, 1993).

Walker flew the U.S. flag upside down to express his rage over the perceived "communist" leanings of Kennedy and other government officials, according to Darwin Payne, a former Dallas newspaper reporter. "He was not a good speaker. He was a poor campaigner and finished last in a field of six [in the gubernatorial race], which was a surprise because he had so many ardent followers in the right wing," Mr. Payne says (Walker obituary)."

I think this post from another topic typifies the success of the conspiracy as I see it.

"The nuclear test ban treaty, rapprochement with Cuba, plans to circumvent the Federal Reserve, plans to scrap the oil depletion allowance, his planned timetable for the removal of personnel from Vietnam, his unfavorable disposition towards the CIA post BOP and lastly, the extremely unlucky position he occupied* are far more persuasive reasons for his assassination than Bobby's alleged dealings with the underworld and anti-Castro Cubans."


While the series of questions on the Politics forum were under way, I did an analysis of where interest lay. Roughly the order was Tax, Bible, Foreign Policy , with Tax far outweighing the other two. Now Bible has caught up but foreign policy is way down.

The USA in 1963 was a country undergoing big changes. Basically it was a nation divided. The one topic that roused people to violent action was the segregation - integration issue of the south, which is where Kennedy was assassinated!

Contrary to any evidence the Civil Rights activists were painted red. Sullivan et al sought to drive King to suicide, Walker called for armed insurrection, Activists were being murdered, Sullivan hinted at a hand in Malcolm Xs assassination. The threat to the established economic structure that had been in place for so long affected whole states. The atmosphere this created, combined with the 'red menace' myth, was more than sufficient to drive those affected to considering assassinating the President. The external issues provided a convenient focus for diverting the attention of investigators. It was, and is successful. The difference now is that records that were not in the immediate kennedy investigation are now being released. The assassins are dead. The intense need to maintain the castro-mob-anti castro myths are over. I think it is time for investigators to turn their attention to the truth known instinctively by those involved back in the beginning and stop being puppets to the smoke screen.

John, the news of the death of Rosa Parks this week brings home once again just how divisive the issue of civil rights was in the US. To blacks, to those who sympathized with the cause of civil rights, Rosa Parks' refusal to give up her seat on a bus to a white man was in many ways just as important as Brown vs, Board of Education. Rosa Parks' actions led to a 381-day boycott of the Montgomery bus lines by blacks...and since the bus-riding population of Montgomery was estimated at 75% black, according to an estimate in one news article I read, the economic impact on the transit system was fairly severe.

But on the other side of the coin, for those of the conservative persuasion, Rosa Parks' action wasn't portrayed in terms of standing up for a higher cause. In the eyes of the right wingers, it was simple asnd straightforward: there was a law requiring blacks to surrender their seats to whites when asked [or told] to do so, and ROSA PARKS WAS A LAWBREAKER. The US was [is] a nation based upon the rule of law, and for justice to prevail, in the eyes of the right-wingers, the guilty must pay for their crimes. So Rosa Parks went to jail, and was fined $10.

The credo of the right-winger is, if the law is wrong, you don't BREAK the law, you go through the appropriate channels and CHANGE the law. But in 1955, most blacks were denied the right to vote in the South. Their ability to change laws that discriminated against them hinged entirely upon the benevolence of the white majority. And, as the governors of Alabama and Georgia and Mississippi and other segregationist strongholds demonstrated, the fountains of human kindness simply didn't flow that far. So the right-wing Americans outside the South saw the struggle as one not so much of segregation vs. integration, but of enforcing the law vs. breaking the law, and while they might have mouthed the words that they were against the idea of segregation, they were for law-and-order, and thus supported the means by which segregation was enforced. If I understand him correctly this is the background from which Mr. Gratz comes.

So the issue of civil rights in the 1960's wasn't quite as clear-cut as it seems looking back. The segregationists had 300 years of history, as well as the law, on their side. To the folks who participated in nonviolent protests, who marched, who refused to give up their seats on the busses, it was a matter of refusing to accept status as second-class citizens in an allegedly classless society, one whose founders had declared nearly two hundred years before that "all men are created equal." It was quite a gaping chasm is US society, one that nearly led to another civil war in 1962. Its importance in the history leading up to the events of November 22, 1963 should not be diminished.

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Its importance in the history leading up to the events of November 22, 1963 should not be diminished.

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And, as stated, such "Far/Far/Far--Right" organizations such as "FOR AMERICA" should be fullly investigated.

Especially when they operate out of the same bldg. in which LHO received financial aid upon his return from the Soviet Union.

Especially when one of the "Registered Agents" is an attorney from New Orleans, Louisiana who happens to be his Uncle.

Especially when another of the "Registered Agents" is is fact a partner with the above referenced Uncle of LHO, and who also happens to be the "Mr. Dunbar" representative of United Fruit from whom and attempt was made to raise 1 million dollars to overthrow the government of Guatemala.

Right-wing "Racism" and Right-wing "Politics" can often create a "common carrier".

Tom

P.S. The "Sumter" as in "Marks" is of course the common family name from the pride of "Ft. Sumter, SC", where General P.G.T. Beauregard of Louisiana expelled the Yankees.
And of course, the "Dunbar" is a direct descendent ot the sister of General P.G.T. Beauregard.
And the "Claverie" had a sister who married a Beauregard, thus giving LHO a distant cousin with this famous last name.
And of course the "Marks" had other descendents named "Malvern" Marks, named after the first of the line of the Marks family to fall at the early Civil War engagement "Battle of Malvern Hill". (Henry Clay Marks, Commanding Officer, Company "B", 10th Louisiana Infantry)
And lastly, the last of the family named "Malvern Marks" (Henry Malvern Marks) also resided in Ft. Worth, TX until his death in 1986.


Other than those items, (and a few others which encompass George DeMohrenschildt & William Pawley), I see no reason to consider "extremism" in politics or race relations as a potential motive in the assassination of JFK.

Mark, the segregationists did indeed use the law to the fullest to stop integration. Quite apart from the OVERT use of the courts to thwart integrationists in a lot of very imaginative ways (for example Tulane University in the end argued that it was a person and therefore not bound by federal laws demanding non-discrimination) Whether this, or Walkers capitalising on the oxford insurrection, is morally lawful is another question.

COVERTLY the Law in the guise of highway patrolmen, Sheriffs, FBI agents and SISS et al used any means at hand to control the negroes, by murder, economic subversion, turning a blind eye, etc.

This Lawlessness by Law enforcement bodies was apparent to many, but it went on nevertheless. It had a history, and an economic raison d'etre. Sad but true. Rosa and people like her, by assuming rights that many took for granted brought things to a head. At the heart of many of these issues is the economic relationships. A controlled low waged negro doesn't pressure the wages of the low paid white, and provides a pool of labor for the wealthy for the more menial tasks. Divide and rule rules...

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Its importance in the history leading up to the events of November 22, 1963 should not be diminished.

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And, as stated, such "Far/Far/Far--Right" organizations such as "FOR AMERICA" should be fullly investigated.

Especially when they operate out of the same bldg. in which LHO received financial aid upon his return from the Soviet Union.

Especially when one of the "Registered Agents" is an attorney from New Orleans, Louisiana who happens to be his Uncle.

Especially when another of the "Registered Agents" is is fact a partner with the above referenced Uncle of LHO, and who also happens to be the "Mr. Dunbar" representative of United Fruit from whom and attempt was made to raise 1 million dollars to overthrow the government of Guatemala.

Right-wing "Racism" and Right-wing "Politics" can often create a "common carrier".

Tom

P.S. The "Sumter" as in "Marks" is of course the common family name from the pride of "Ft. Sumter, SC", where General P.G.T. Beauregard of Louisiana expelled the Yankees.
And of course, the "Dunbar" is a direct descendent ot the sister of General P.G.T. Beauregard.
And the "Claverie" had a sister who married a Beauregard, thus giving LHO a distant cousin with this famous last name.
And of course the "Marks" had other descendents named "Malvern" Marks, named after the first of the line of the Marks family to fall at the early Civil War engagement "Battle of Malvern Hill". (Henry Clay Marks, Commanding Officer, Company "B", 10th Louisiana Infantry)
And lastly, the last of the family named "Malvern Marks" (Henry Malvern Marks) also resided in Ft. Worth, TX until his death in 1986.


Other than those items, (and a few others which encompass George DeMohrenschildt & William Pawley), I see no reason to consider "extremism" in politics or race relations as a potential motive in the assassination of JFK.




I see Walker as a 'hot warrior' whom no-one had told the war was over, he simply latched on to the MacCarthy message and soldiered on.

It wasn't over with the Kennedy assassination. In a letter* to William Manchester on June 9 1967, Walker warns that he wants nothing to do with the Kennedys. He describes the Kennedy presidency as 'the administration of the two Kennedys'. An indication that he was not as intellectually impaired as he might have been portrayed by others is indicated by the overall structure of the letter. What stands out more is a kind of obsession regarding distancing himself from any incriminating suggestions re 'The Death of a President'.

Note that RFK had been assassinated 4 days previously!

In the letter Walker writes '...Robert F. Kennedy, who was the U.S. Attorney General and is now Senator,...'

Lining up for a plea of insanity??

(*Dallas City archives.)

THE DISMISSAL OF MAJ. GEN. EDWIN A. WALKER - A Special Report by Congressman Morris K. Udall

So many of you have written me regarding the dismissal of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker that I have decided to write this report as a partial answer to your questions.

As you know, Gen. Walker was commander of the 24th Infantry Division in West Germany last April, when charges were made that his troop education and indoctrination program was following the pattern of the right-wing John Birch Society. He subsequently was relieved of his command following an Army investigation. Since then charges have been made that Gen. Walker was disciplined because he was a zealous anti-Communist.

Considerable light now has been shed on this case. During the week of September 3-9 Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee and answered the questions of Senator Strom Thurmond and other critics of the Army action. From his testimony and the subsequent release of the 973-page transcript of the Army's hearings on the case it now becomes clear that Gen. Walker was dismissed, not because he was a zealous anti-Communist, but because he engaged in political activity.

Two facts stand out: first that Gen. Walker advised his troops and their families to consult the so-called "A.C.A. Index" before voting in congressional elections last fall, and second, that Gen. Walker pleaded the military equivalent of the Fifth Amendment (Article 31 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice) when questioned about this. This article, like the Fifth Amendment, may be invoked when one believes his own testimony might "tend to incriminate" him.

For your information, the "A.C.A. Index" is a voting guide published by one particular faction on the American political scene. It can lay no more claim to infallibility or correctness than the "A.D.A. Index", published by the opposite extreme of the political spectrum. For Gen. Walker to urge his troops and their families to consult this guide before voting was to engage in overt political activity in clear violation of the spirit of the Hatch Act, which prohibits government personnel from participating in politics other than voting.

There were other points brought out, as well. For example, the testimony revealed that Gen. Walker is a member of the John Birch Society, an organization whose leader says former President Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles and other high officials of our government have been Communist dupes. Also, it was revealed that Gen. Walker made public statements which were derogatory of other present and former officials of our government. Such statements, of course, are wholly out of keeping for a military officer.

Three days before he left office last January former President Eisenhower said in a nation-wide television address, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." I believe Mr. Eisenhower's warning is pertinent to this situation. In the course of our history we have always maintained civilian control of our government by elected officials responsible to the electorate. I firmly believe that this must continue.

Everyone will agree, I think, on two propositions: 1) that military leaders have a right and duty to indoctrinate their troops in broad, basic principles of American history and government so they will know why they are asked to serve their country and fight for it if necessary, and 2) that military leaders have absolutely no business taking any part in political campaigns or seeking to influence their troops in matters which are partisan or political. One need only look at some of the South American and Asian nations to see that real democracy and liberty are missing when military leaders participate in elections or political decisions.

A non-political military establishment is one of the most vital, indispensable ingredients of the kind of democracy which distinguishes the United States, Britain and other nations of the free world.

This whole thing can be seen in true focus, I believe, if we suppose for a moment that the situation had been reversed. Imagine that Gen. Walker had called his troops together to "indoctrinate" them on Americanism. Suppose he had advised them that our country was in great danger of losing the cold war to the Communists, and that we could strengthen our nation for the future only if we had more federal aid to education, more urban renewal to eliminate crime and poverty in the cities, larger aid for undeveloped countries, etc. These are views which have been expressed by President Kennedy, ex-President Eisenhower and other Americans whose sincerity and patriotism cannot be questioned. Had this been the case, I think you would have joined me in expressing outrage at such military interference in these political questions. Yet, if what Gen. Walker did is right, another commander holding the views I have mentioned could properly "indoctrinate" his troops along those lines. On the basis of the facts presented I think there can be no doubt that the reprimand given Gen. Walker was warranted.

The above is from the University of Arizona Library Special Collections.

this topic is turning up a number of interesting links. Tha M.A.D. topic reveals Walkers finger in the 'thought police' pie.
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Through looking at the 'Caddy' topic a link to a Clyde Watts appears

"In 1963, Soule was chairman of the 12th Annual National Congress of Freedom. (Who's Who in the South and Southwest 1963 - 1964) General Walker's lawyer, Clyde Watts, was a speaker at this event. (NOTP; April 7, 1963). J. A. Milteer was also in attendance. (Weisberg; Frame-Up; p481)"

through this we have a link to Bannister, Martin, Hunt, Eastland, Milteer etc
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In 1961: (from MAD files, link in MAD topic)

A Brigadier General C. J. Watts according to a Bufile from W.C. Sullivan notes General Watts being sued by MAD comics because he alledgedly made a statement that MAD helps the communist cause. Watts had sought out Sullivan in order to try to get help, specifically to see if a Matt Cvetic, or a Herbert Philbrick of the Communist Party could help.

Watts sought out Sullivan again, and Sullivan instructed SA Teague to deal with him. General Watts is the lawyer for General Walker of the appropriately named law offices of "Looney, Watts, Looney, Nichols & Johnson" of Oklahoma City.

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Walker reported being shot at in april 63.

(Dallas City archives)
In June 1963 Walker apparently had no reason to consider Oswald as a suspect in trying to assassinate him, he was however involved in trying to set up a mr Duff in an attempt. In the dallas archives a document outlines how special investigators under instructions from General Watts from Oklahoma, came to Dallas to befriend Duff and arrange an attempt on Walker. So Walker was involved in plots against himself, and at that time did not appear to have knowledge of Oswald. Duff contacted Hosty who dealt with it.

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Other documents from the MAD files indicate a flurry of letters that involved Sullivan and DeLoach.
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Of course the fact that the one issue that people were regularly being assassinated for in the USA in the late 50s and early 60s, civil rights. Plus the fact that some of the direct connection to these assorted theories, such as Bannister, Walker, HL Hunt, the FBI, Byrd, and others, also have documented links to the anti segregation actions. Plus the fact that Walker held a deep contempt and resentment to the two Kennedys. Plus the fact that Kennedy was assassinated in the heart of the south. Plus the fact that main players instinctively thought 'civil rights'. Plus the fact that Walker led an armed insurrection against the Kennedy government aided by former FBI agents and other Law officers. Plus the fact that one of the people who profited by this was General Walker to the tune of millions of dollars.

And to my mind, most telling : Plus the fact that it is one of the only real issues of the times consistently ignored from within a few months of the assassination until today, the diversion of attention being LED by the JBS, Dan Smoot and General Walker. The reserch community willingly herded away by judicious leaks, stories, books, media reports, etc.

Of course this is all just circumstantial, unimportant and... er well.?? Un fashionable?

The good thing about it is that nowhere as much attention has lately been spent in disfiguring this information as that spent on the cuba, mafia, lone nut etc etc, and with the surge in interest and release of bodies of evidence such as the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission files (within which are documents linking bannister, Eastland, Walker FBI and others.) now is the time to revisit this side of things.

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"A League of Their Own:
A Look Inside the Christian Defense League

By D. Boylan



The United States during the 1950s experienced an unparalleled growth of extremist organizations from the John Birch Society on the right to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee on the left. The heating up of the Cold War, the Supreme Court's decision to end segregation in 1954, and the establishment of a Communist Cuba in 1959 spurred this growth. One of the lesser known but more influential right wing fringe organizations that were formed during this period was the Christian Defense League (CDL). The CDL managed to meld anti-communism, anti-Semitism, anti-Castro activities, and a hatred of the "liberal" policies of the Kennedy Administration into a cohesive whole. It is in this context that the CDL will be examined.

The driving forces behind the rise of the CDL were Reverend Wesley A. Swift and Colonel William Potter Gale. It seemed inevitable that they would gravitate toward each other. Their religious beliefs were similar: both were adherents of what is now called Christian Identity, an updated version of the earlier British Israelite Movement that originated in the late nineteenth century. Christian Identity adherents believe that those of Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Nordic, or Aryan origin were the true Israelites, "the sons of Adam", and that those of Jewish origin were "the sons of Satan."

The origin of the Christian Defense League is clouded. Some accounts credit its founding to the Reverend Swift, while Colonel Gale gives credit to Reverend San Jacinto Capt. Capt, a Baptist minister, was one of the early pioneers in the Identity Movement. Gale says "the idea of the Christian Defense League was entirely that of Reverend San Jacinto Capt. He proposed it to me [Col. Gale] who prepared the initial material in the form of a letter entitled, "The NAACP represents the negro; the ADL represents the Jews; who represents YOU — the white Christian?" "


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"The first indication that the Swift/Gale complex was interested in more than preaching religion came from George Harding in April 1963 when he informed the FBI that he was being recruited to become part of an eight man team to assassinate three hundred public officials in high positions of government. According to WCD 39 and WCD 1107 "Harding claimed that the leaders in the group were Dr. Wesley Swift, James Shoup and others.... The second in command was a Colonel William Gale...who was supposed to have been the youngest intelligence officer under MCARTHUR (sic)."

A related incident also occurred that April. Los Angeles physician Dr. Stanley Drennan approached Captain Robert K. Brown, who was also involved in anti-Castro activities during this period, stated that "while at Drennan's home, Drennan stated in general conversation that he could not do it, but what the organization needed was a group of young men to get rid of Kennedy and the Cabinet…Brown stated that he considered the remark crackpot; however …he gained the impression that Drennan had been propositioning him on this matter. Drennan, a member of the National States Rights Party and associate of William Gale." Drennan complained in a letter to Dean Clarence Manion, a prominent member of the John Birch Society, that on June 10, 1963 two Secret Service agents visited two of his friends at 7:30 am to inquire about his "patriotism, integrity, dependability, and emotional and mental stability. These people were twenty miles East of my dwelling while I was only two miles from where the President was riding in an open convertible sitting high on the back of the seat."

The Secret Service and FBI generated another report in August 1963 by the arrest of Gale's associate George King, Jr. King was overheard discussing the possibility of assassinating the president and was later arrested that month for the sale of illegal firearms. A later FBI field report, CO2-26104 #6419, stated "King is extreme right wing, hates Jews, was arrested by ATF O'Neil for illegal possession of firearms. Emotionally unstable. Arrested 2-29-68 again. This time for CCU, John Bircher, Christian Def. League (sic), Am Nazi Party, Christian Defense League."

There was yet another pre-assassination report (November 15, 1963) of a plot to assassinate "the President and other high-level officials" by a "militant group of the National States Rights Party." The FBI dismissed the report because they felt the subject was trying to make a deal because of pending criminal charges. This was not the well-documented November 9, 1963 report of Joseph A. Milteer's accurate prediction that Kennedy would be shot "from an office building with a high powered rifle." Milteer was also a member of the NSRP and ran for governor of Georgia on the Constitution Party ticket the same year that William Gale switched from the Constitution Party to the Republican Party to run for governor of California.

Evidence suggests that Gale and Milteer were acquainted. Both attended the gathering of the Constitution Party in Indianapolis, Indiana during October 18-20, 1963. Also in attendance were notable right wing extremists General Pedro Del Valle, Curtis Dall of the Liberty Lobby, Colonel Arch Roberts who was the architect of General Edwin Walker's "Pro Blue" program in the military, Richard Cotten, editor of The Conservative Viewpoint, Jack Brown, Klan leader James Venable[28], and Kenneth Goff, Constitution Party Committee member and leader of the paramilitary group Soldiers of the Cross, a Minutemen affiliate. Goff wrote an article for The White Sentinel, that Oswald "called me, before a meeting in a Dallas hotel about a year ago (December 1962) he poured out his pro-Communist venom….His Red record was no secret to those fighting Communism in the Texas area.""

A curiosity: am just watching Letterman interviewing Woody Harrelson talking about his life and a book he is part of called 'Go Further' reminds me of an earlier post of mine about Jack Cassady and a drive from the south to cali.. Cassidy was a driver of 'the Bus' of the 'Merry Paranksters'. The bus name was 'Further'. The Merry Paranksters and Grateful dead, Ginsberg and others were involved in LSD use (koolaid acid tests) and counter culture living to a large extent aimed at exploring reality by ODing by 'sensory exhaustion'. This was a time also of MKULTRA and legal acid.

Guthrie, Keourac, Dylan, Ginsberg, Cassady, the beats, the hippies etc seems to have been a thing for the white youth to 'indulge' in. With Woody Harrelsons current life in Maui (solar power, grow your own, october fests and amsterdam) seems to be living a wealthy version of the Hobo..... Tramp?

Vietnam post 36
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=43778

My contribution to the "Who killed J.F.K." topic:

"My theory is still 'in the making' ...

Motive : money, power, money

Capitalism is a system that depends on imbalance in the form of diverse markets. It also depends on room to grow. Where this room to grow contracts it seeks new fields and failing that takes steps to creatre them. This takes the form of wars of commercial and military nature. Whole populations and industries are wiped out, rebuilt and reorganised. War is also an impetus for technology creation. Unequal markets and instability is important. (one can say that 'Japan and Germany won WWII'. Simlarly, perhaps, in time one may be able to say 'Russia won the cold war')

The socialist revolutions of the 20th century, and the division of markets after WWII, were severely contracting the capitalist world. As such, winning the cold war was a must.

Along came Kennedy. His voice of reason and peace was perhaps the greatest enemy of rampant capitalism. (I think it was a failure to recognise that he had an agressive anti-communist stance, just not a militaristic one, rather a war for hearts and minds by example, education and judicious funding.) Kennedys approach was a radical shift. He had been warned by Eisenhower and he set about to create alternative structures to turn the US away from the confrontations that may have resulted in the destruction of the entire world. Nuclear weapons was the new factor. Contrary to Reagan's and others statements, there are no friendly atomic bombs. However to people whom I would class as sociopaths, Kennedy was an obstruction in the quest for 'divide and rule'. Kennedy was into 'unite and live'. Hence he was prepared to seriously tackle issues such as civil rights. In this environment in southern of USA, these sociopaths found ready elements of fanatics to do their bidding.

Means : hate, bigotry, strife

These right wing elements in the south, the racist bigots, could easily be manipulated as their interests and those of the 'Bankers' coincided. Someone like Walker would have been well placed as the bridge to the actual assassins. Separate but allied in common purpose were agency and gocvernment elements prepared to participate in a coverup.

Opportunity : a presidential visit to The heart of Texas, Dallas. The heart of Dallas, Dealey Plaza.

Here conflict was right up front, thus the first layer of concealment already in place. Fertile ground for conspiracy to take any of a number of directions, just not in the right one. Capital.

The population of Dallas in tight control of its Citizens Council and law enforcement. People, black and white, knew what it meant to step out of line. An area whos interests coincided with those of the 'Bankers' of the assassination. In a way here Oswald is unimportant. If it hadn't been him it would have been someone else. Similarly, Ruby was peripheral to this closed society, his non-local status combined with his Jewishness put him on the outer. He despearately wanted in. He was used and discarded.

Others that in this way were manipulated were elements of agencies, (CIA, FBI and DPD) and anti Castro activists. I don't subscrire to the Mob scenario except insofar as individuals stood to gain finacially (itsa just business), perhaps elements of rightwing union structures, but then only where membership overlapped.

The actual assassins were drawn from connections within the Dallas ruling bodies. These were likely KKK, fanatical white supremacists who had a warped view of black people, communists, catholics and Jews. they also had a secret society where members were very aware of the consequences of breaking ranks."



A three tiered conspiracy?

Top : Dispassionate practical, would never rat on self, Industry leaders?

Middle : The tie, the middleman, aspirations of moving with the top, motivated by selfish needs, momney power. Walker?

Lower : The assassins, Lumpen elements, motivated by base emotion, immediate gain. Belonging to secretive groups where betrayal means death. KKK?

Because there are connections between Bannister, Walker and the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission (staffed in part by former FBI agents, I suggest that anyone with access look at any way of getting hold of said files.

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3852

"From AJR, April/May 2005

Out of the Past

Jerry Mitchell has an unusual beat. The reporter for Jackson, Mississippi’s Clarion-Ledger specializes in uncovering new evidence about unsolved civil rights-era murders. His stories have helped lead to arrests in long-dormant cases...

...His epiphany came in 1989 when he saw the movie "Mississippi Burning," a dramatization of the Klan killings of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner.

By the time Mitchell left the theater, the horrifying images of Klan violence had gripped his consciousness. "Frankly--I say this and my wife gets on to me--but I am a Southerner and I knew zero about the civil rights movement back then," admits the reporter, who has become a walking encyclopedia on murder, torture and intimidation in a state that once abetted brutality against its own citizens.

His parents taught him that God saw everyone as equal, but "I just didn't notice the things happening around me."

Mitchell, who joined the Clarion-Ledger in 1986, was on the courts beat when he saw that fateful movie. He continued to cover the courts but began reporting on civil rights as well. In 1994, he became an investigative reporter. Mitchell says he has "certainly written other stories, done other projects," but civil rights "has remained my devotion, so to speak."

He spent much of 1989 wheedling his way into the clandestine network that continued to shield Mississippi's past. Then came the payoff. One day, a familiar voice on the telephone said, "Come see me, Jerry." He walked away with 2,400 pages of highly secret documents from the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commis-sion, a segregationist spy agency, as he describes it.

"I loaded them into my little Honda, and when I drove away, I was higher than a kite," recalls Mitchell. "I didn't even drive back to the newsroom. I pulled over to the first pay phone, called in and said, 'I've got them.'"

The files turned out to be a bonanza, with references to Klan killings, including names and details of how they were carried out. They described the infiltration of civil rights groups and the surveillance of outsiders. "Some of it was very scary; some of it was Keystone Cops," says Mitchell, who was seeing just a tiny portion of the files. In total, there were some 132,000 pages of commission records, most of them unseen by outsiders at the time."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...indpost&p=12106

(logging a link to a couple of interesting letters posted by Jim Root)

-tailormade for the conspiratorially minded freethinking paranoiac...or is it?
(to be read in conjunction with "Ford Hardtop" topic)

If nothing else a strange set of coincidences involving people of interest...


Were things going on behind the scenes?


Frank Sinatra's daughter, Oil, Dallas, walking boots(shoes), Walker, Shreveport and a suicide.



"Barton Lee Hazlewood (born July 9, 1929 in Mannford, Oklahoma) is an American country singer, songwriter, and record producer.

The son of an oilman, Hazlewood spent most of youth living between Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, and Louisiana. Hazlewood spent his teenage years in Port Neches, Texas where he was exposed to a rich Gulf Coast music tradition.

Hazlewood studied for a medical degree at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.

He served with the United States Army during the Korean War.

Following discharge from the military, Hazlewood worked as a disc jockey whilst honing his songwriting skills. ...

Hazlewood is perhaps most famous for writing the Nancy Sinatra hit, "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'"."

(Bogard (testified having been driven in car by Lee Oswald) left Dallas, and returned to Louisiana*, where he commited suicide in his car on [b]February 15, 1966[/b], leaving his shoes and a pile of JFK related papers in the car trunk)

19th Feb 1966 release - NANCY SINATRA - one hit wonder

These Boots Were Made For Walking

You keep saying you've got something for me.
something you call love, but confess.
You've been a messin' where you shouldn't have been a messin'
and now someone else is gettin' all your best.
These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
You keep lying, when you oughta be truthin'
and you keep losin' when you oughta not bet.
You keep samin' when you oughta be a changin'.
Now what's right is right, but you ain't been right yet.
These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
You keep playin' where you shouldn't be a playin
and you keep thinkin' that you'll never get burnt.
Ha!
I just found me a brand new box of matches yeah
and what he knows you ain't HAD time to learn.
These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
Are you ready boots? Start walkin'!

*(Shreveport, General Walkers home away from home)