Scooter Libby is a [redacted under legal threat]
HOW do you discredit someone by outing his wife as a CIA counterproliferation AGENT?
THAT is A SLUR? THAT somehow compromises MR WILSON???
HIS WIFE is a COUNTER PROLIFERATION INTERNATIONAL AGENT?
I. Scooter Libby is a bloody... [classified material]
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Full Version: CIA Leak Case: Wilson Plame Affair
Typical Shanet post. Name calling.
The facts that Shanet ignores is that both Wilson and wife are virulent Kerry supporters and that it was Wilson's wife who persuaded the CIA to send Wilson on his trip (with his agenda).
The importance of that fact is demonstrated not only by Shanet's convenient dismissal of it but also, more significantly, by the fact that Wilson lied about it.
The facts that Shanet ignores is that both Wilson and wife are virulent Kerry supporters and that it was Wilson's wife who persuaded the CIA to send Wilson on his trip (with his agenda).
The importance of that fact is demonstrated not only by Shanet's convenient dismissal of it but also, more significantly, by the fact that Wilson lied about it.
Shanet, this case is already being debated in some depth on the thread "The New Watergate": You will be able to read Tim's defence of Bush and his cronies here.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5272
This has also been raised in the important Otis Pike thread as well. Tim clearly does not like CIA documents being leaked to the press. I wonder why?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5314
You should also read the thread on Cleveland Cram and his classified document Moles and Molehunters. It will tell you a lot about Tim's tactics.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5194
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5272
This has also been raised in the important Otis Pike thread as well. Tim clearly does not like CIA documents being leaked to the press. I wonder why?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5314
You should also read the thread on Cleveland Cram and his classified document Moles and Molehunters. It will tell you a lot about Tim's tactics.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5194
Query what makes one a "crony"?
[quote name='Tim Gratz' date='Nov 8 2005, 10:01 AM' post='44515']
The facts that Shanet ignores is that both Wilson and wife are virulent Kerry supporters and that it was Wilson's wife who persuaded the CIA to send Wilson on his trip (with his agenda).
Query, what makes one "virulent"?
The facts that Shanet ignores is that both Wilson and wife are virulent Kerry supporters and that it was Wilson's wife who persuaded the CIA to send Wilson on his trip (with his agenda).
Query, what makes one "virulent"?
QUOTE (Tim Gratz @ Nov 8 2005, 08:46 AM) 
Query what makes one a "crony"?
Someone who is given a paid post as a result of contributions they have made to the political leader or their party rather than the abilities that they have to do the job.
So who do you claim fits that definition of crony?
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
QUOTE (Tim Gratz @ Nov 8 2005, 11:36 AM)
So who do you claim fits that definition of crony?
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
Both of them. Another good example was Michael Brown, the former head of FEMA. The one who did such a good job during Hurricane Katerina. It emerged that he was only given the post as a result of political favours carried out in the past. Brown, who had been sacked from his previous job as an organizer of horse shows, turned out to be poorly qualified for the job and Bush's decision to appoint him resulted in the deaths of a large number of Americans. Like with the Iraq War, employing cronies can be very expensive.
QUOTE (John Simkin @ Nov 8 2005, 12:42 PM)
QUOTE (Tim Gratz @ Nov 8 2005, 11:36 AM)
So who do you claim fits that definition of crony?
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
Both of them. Another good example was Michael Brown, the former head of FEMA. The one who did such a good job during Hurricane Katerina. It emerged that he was only given the post as a result of political favours carried out in the past. Brown, who had been sacked from his previous job as an organizer of horse shows, turned out to be poorly qualified for the job and Bush's decision to appoint him resulted in the deaths of a large number of Americans. Like with the Iraq War, employing cronies can be very expensive.
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John:
Still the courteous and civil proper English gentleman John !!
You should have written that said son-of-a-bitch Brown lied through his teeth to both the Congress and the American people; yet still remains on the "Shrub" payroll teat !!
He may not go to the chain gang for negligent homicide, but he sure as hell will go down; with Cheney, Libby, Rove, and a few others for the cover-up lying. Maybe Colson will take his "prison ministries" and help him find Jesus while he's there ??!!
Back to C-SPAN.
GPH
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Libby is slowly turning on his old boss Dick Cheney.
He has now claimed that his superiors approved his use of classified information
to defend the IRAQ yellowcake ruse.
When he outed Valerie Plame Wilson he was acting under orders from "his superiors"
Cheney violated law and common sense/
He has now claimed that his superiors approved his use of classified information
to defend the IRAQ yellowcake ruse.
When he outed Valerie Plame Wilson he was acting under orders from "his superiors"
Cheney violated law and common sense/
Clearly there will be problems ahead for the Bush administration if Libby testifies that his "superiors" authorized the release of classified information. He was pretty high up the food chain.
Note the difference between Libby and Liddy. In Bill Bonnano's book he states the mafiosos in prison respected Liddy because he refused to "rat" on his bosses to save his hide.
Note the difference between Libby and Liddy. In Bill Bonnano's book he states the mafiosos in prison respected Liddy because he refused to "rat" on his bosses to save his hide.
[quote name='John Simkin' post='44542' date='Nov 8 2005, 12:42 PM']
[quote name='Tim Gratz' post='44540' date='Nov 8 2005, 11:36 AM']
So who do you claim fits that definition of crony?
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
[/quote]
Both of them. Another good example was Michael Brown, the former head of FEMA. The one who did such a good job during Hurricane Katerina. It emerged that he was only given the post as a result of political favours carried out in the past. Brown, who had been sacked from his previous job as an organizer of horse shows, turned out to be poorly qualified for the job and Bush's decision to appoint him resulted in the deaths of a large number of Americans. Like with the Iraq War, employing cronies can be very expensive.
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Cronies and relatives...appointments and business dealings (Donald Nixon, Billy Carter, Roger Clinton, to name but a few). Usually not a good idea. At least the Kennedys run and get elected.
"HOW do you discredit someone by outing his wife as a CIA counterproliferation AGENT?
THAT is A SLUR? THAT somehow compromises MR WILSON???
HIS WIFE is a COUNTER PROLIFERATION INTERNATIONAL AGENT?"
I quite agree. There's more than a little hypocrisy here. Surprise, surprise.
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[quote name='Tim Gratz' post='44540' date='Nov 8 2005, 11:36 AM']
So who do you claim fits that definition of crony?
Rove?
Libby?
Well, you tell me, John.
[/quote]
Both of them. Another good example was Michael Brown, the former head of FEMA. The one who did such a good job during Hurricane Katerina. It emerged that he was only given the post as a result of political favours carried out in the past. Brown, who had been sacked from his previous job as an organizer of horse shows, turned out to be poorly qualified for the job and Bush's decision to appoint him resulted in the deaths of a large number of Americans. Like with the Iraq War, employing cronies can be very expensive.
[/quote]
Cronies and relatives...appointments and business dealings (Donald Nixon, Billy Carter, Roger Clinton, to name but a few). Usually not a good idea. At least the Kennedys run and get elected.
"HOW do you discredit someone by outing his wife as a CIA counterproliferation AGENT?
THAT is A SLUR? THAT somehow compromises MR WILSON???
HIS WIFE is a COUNTER PROLIFERATION INTERNATIONAL AGENT?"
I quite agree. There's more than a little hypocrisy here. Surprise, surprise.
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John:
Still the courteous and civil proper English gentleman John !!
You should have written that said son-of-a-bitch Brown lied through his teeth to both the Congress and the American people; yet still remains on the "Shrub" payroll teat !!
He may not go to the chain gang for negligent homicide, but he sure as hell will go down; with Cheney, Libby, Rove, and a few others for the cover-up lying. Maybe Colson will take his "prison ministries" and help him find Jesus while he's there ??!!
Back to C-SPAN.
GPH
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Gary,
I want to tell you how much I appreciate seeing "teat" in the above correspondence. It's just a delight to see it used in any context, really, especially here. The rare occasions when it does appear it is usually misused or misspelled. But right here, with your byline and next to that picture of yours, it's a rose under the April snow, my man.
Unfortunately, that probably represents your most meaningful contribution on these pages. I mean, c'mon, Ger, you can only live off that Cuban thing for so long (50 years?). Think about it. What have we gotten from you except incessant typing about weaponry and jungle rot? When push comes to shove about anything of substance, suddenly you get coy as if you actually know some thing or some one. You talk the talk - name dropping for its own sake, the thrilling use of the word 'tradecraft' and the occasional botched attempt at Latin - but give us the walk, GP, smoke us if you got 'em.
Pardon me, but does tradecraft include the constant wearing of garments designed to help hide oneself in a greenhouse? Frankly, one begins to wonder about the extent of this fatigue usage, but I digress. Put up or shut up or, indeed, go back to C-Span (got cable down there on No-Name?).
John Gillespie
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Still the courteous and civil proper English gentleman John !!
You should have written that said son-of-a-bitch Brown lied through his teeth to both the Congress and the American people; yet still remains on the "Shrub" payroll teat !!
He may not go to the chain gang for negligent homicide, but he sure as hell will go down; with Cheney, Libby, Rove, and a few others for the cover-up lying. Maybe Colson will take his "prison ministries" and help him find Jesus while he's there ??!!
Back to C-SPAN.
GPH
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Gary,
I want to tell you how much I appreciate seeing "teat" in the above correspondence. It's just a delight to see it used in any context, really, especially here. The rare occasions when it does appear it is usually misused or misspelled. But right here, with your byline and next to that picture of yours, it's a rose under the April snow, my man.
Unfortunately, that probably represents your most meaningful contribution on these pages. I mean, c'mon, Ger, you can only live off that Cuban thing for so long (50 years?). Think about it. What have we gotten from you except incessant typing about weaponry and jungle rot? When push comes to shove about anything of substance, suddenly you get coy as if you actually know some thing or some one. You talk the talk - name dropping for its own sake, the thrilling use of the word 'tradecraft' and the occasional botched attempt at Latin - but give us the walk, GP, smoke us if you got 'em.
Pardon me, but does tradecraft include the constant wearing of garments designed to help hide oneself in a greenhouse? Frankly, one begins to wonder about the extent of this fatigue usage, but I digress. Put up or shut up or, indeed, go back to C-Span (got cable down there on No-Name?).
John Gillespie
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...and another thing, gerry or gary or whatever: the irony is not lost that A.J. Weberman - who made you a nobody (yeah, congrats, A.J. Weberman is your life sponsor) - went through Dylan's garbage and it is we who now go through yours.
From the Shawmut Peninsula, where soon we will celebrate Evacuation Day,
John Gillespie
...and another thing, gerry or gary or whatever: the irony is not lost that A.J. Weberman - who made you a nobody (yeah, congrats, A.J. Weberman is your life sponsor) - went through Dylan's garbage and it is we who now go through yours.
From the Shawmut Peninsula, where soon we will celebrate Evacuation Day,
John Gillespie
The Plame Wilson affair is still percolating.
It tells us so much about the Vice President's office
and their efforts to stand behind any PRETEXT for War in Iraq.
The yellowcake, the Niger, the aluminum tubes, the vats, none of it was REAL.
They got on Television and in front of the United Nations and
told a bunch of BIG FAT LIES...........
When Joseph Wilson had the brains to say that the papers were shoddy forgeries,
unrelated to things on the ground in Africa, Libby was given specific instructions
and classified materials
to slime Wilson and endanger his wife......and he lied about when interrogated by the special prosecutor.
Libby says he found out she was a CIA agent from the news hacks like Tim Russert,
when in fact DEAD EYE DICK CHENEY told him the story and what to do with it...............
That much is obvious, Cheney pushed Libby to out the undercover agent ........
It tells us so much about the Vice President's office
and their efforts to stand behind any PRETEXT for War in Iraq.
The yellowcake, the Niger, the aluminum tubes, the vats, none of it was REAL.
They got on Television and in front of the United Nations and
told a bunch of BIG FAT LIES...........
When Joseph Wilson had the brains to say that the papers were shoddy forgeries,
unrelated to things on the ground in Africa, Libby was given specific instructions
and classified materials
to slime Wilson and endanger his wife......and he lied about when interrogated by the special prosecutor.
Libby says he found out she was a CIA agent from the news hacks like Tim Russert,
when in fact DEAD EYE DICK CHENEY told him the story and what to do with it...............
That much is obvious, Cheney pushed Libby to out the undercover agent ........
QUOTE (Shanet Clark @ Feb 22 2006, 06:43 AM)
The Plame Wilson affair is still percolating.
It tells us so much about the Vice President's office
and their efforts to stand behind any PRETEXT for War in Iraq.
The yellowcake, the Niger, the aluminum tubes, the vats, none of it was REAL.
They got on Television and in front of the United Nations and
told a bunch of BIG FAT LIES...........
When Joseph Wilson had the brains to say that the papers were shoddy forgeries,
unrelated to things on the ground in Africa, Libby was given specific instructions
and classified materials
to slime Wilson and endanger his wife......and he lied about when interrogated by the special prosecutor.
Libby says he found out she was a CIA agent from the news hacks like Tim Russert,
when in fact DEAD EYE DICK CHENEY told him the story and what to do with it...............
That much is obvious, Cheney pushed Libby to out the undercover agent ........
It tells us so much about the Vice President's office
and their efforts to stand behind any PRETEXT for War in Iraq.
The yellowcake, the Niger, the aluminum tubes, the vats, none of it was REAL.
They got on Television and in front of the United Nations and
told a bunch of BIG FAT LIES...........
When Joseph Wilson had the brains to say that the papers were shoddy forgeries,
unrelated to things on the ground in Africa, Libby was given specific instructions
and classified materials
to slime Wilson and endanger his wife......and he lied about when interrogated by the special prosecutor.
Libby says he found out she was a CIA agent from the news hacks like Tim Russert,
when in fact DEAD EYE DICK CHENEY told him the story and what to do with it...............
That much is obvious, Cheney pushed Libby to out the undercover agent ........
Shanet, while you could be right, there are other plausible scenarios. Cheney could have been venting to Libby "that bastard Wilson is trying to make us look bad... screw him... he only got to go to Niger because his wife put in a good word for him..." To which Libby responded "his wife put in a good word? How does that work?" To which Cheney replied "She's an agent! She works for the CIA! She's the one who got him the gig!" To which Scooter responded "Well, I'll be... don't you think we should let our friends in the media know what a weak sister this guy is... that he has to rely on his WIFE to get him jobs?" To which Cheney responded "Good point. Get on that!"
I think it's quite likely that in their zeal to make Wilson look weak, they overlooked the fact that Wilson's wife was an UNDERCOVER CIA agent, and that outing her would be breaking the law. Perhaps they did think about it and decided that it wasn't breaking the law if they merely said his wife without using her name. Which brings me to a question of my own... Has it been established how members of the media figured out her name? Were they merely told "his wife" and then did some homework? Or have any of them testified that they were specifically told her name? Last I checked they'd only fingered Rove and Libby for saying "his wife". Maybe this is the detail upon which the whole case will turn. But not for Scoot--he lied; Fitzgerald can prove it, he's going down.
"Perhaps, maybe, you could be right, I dunno." Right. Got it, Pat.
A response to a previous posting:
"Jim Hougan in Secret Agenda dismisses Felt as a possible Deep Throat for much the same reason. t... I think what has been missed is that, according to Woodstein, Deep Throat rarely provided information; he mostly confirmed information that they'd already uncovered. And even this was done in vague terms, sometimes so vague he was misunderstood. Remember the screw-up regarding Haldeman's pre-knowledge? That almost got Woodstein pulled off the case." Pat Speer
Alas and alack...I really didn't want to take the time to address the misinformation in the above paragraph (God, this sort of thing gets so tedious. Some of you folks really ought to think a bit more clearly and still keep things to yourselves). But on behalf of the poor, vulnerable, innocent, unsuspecting, uninitiated, unwashed - those who come here to perform the occasional sorting-out - I'll do two things: ( 1.) correct the errors, including those that are factual, grammatical and syntactical; (2.) urge anyone who reads these missives (including my own) to believe not a scintilla. Instead, try to do some honest and thorough research, all the while cognizant of the practice(s) of disinformation, the afore-mentioned misinformation and that ol' standby… buffoonery. This site, though a unique and often delightful oasis, has its dark and fetid zones. Often it has the look and feel of one of those horrid, clichéd business staff meetings, with people who apparently have LOTS of time of their hands and who are trying so very hard to appear knowledgeable and not fall behind the rest of the class.
“Since Deep Throat failed to tell Woodward about Baldwin, and Felt knew about Baldwin, Felt can't be Deep Throat.”
Whew. The circuitousness, pretzel-like path of that volley is reminiscent of WWI munitions, though we would have to consult our resident expert on those matters. First, referring to Deep Throat as an individual remains, to this day, presumptive and apparently, though not evidently, without merit. Sam Dash, on the old, lamented Larry King syndicated radio show was a guest with Fred Thompson as part of a Watergate anniversary broadcast in 1982. I remember clearly that Dash stated matter-of-factly that DT was a composite. King quickly reminded him that, if true, that would make Woodward guilty of the most egregious offense against journalism and he cited the noted criminal Janet Cook, formerly of The Post, who created much of what she wrote out of whole cloth. This revelatory statement by Dash never made the pages of said Post…Sam Dash on a national broadcast, for God’s sake! We cannot prove DT is a composite but the idea of him (if indeed a he) as one person certainly is not a given.
If we accept the notion that Mark Felt was NOT DT we cannot say it is because he failed to tell Woodward about Baldwin. By that logic, someone who was not DT also probably failed to tell Woodward he had something stuck in his teeth, for example. I understand what Pat thinks he’s getting at but puhleeeeze.
A response to a previous posting:
"Jim Hougan in Secret Agenda dismisses Felt as a possible Deep Throat for much the same reason. t... I think what has been missed is that, according to Woodstein, Deep Throat rarely provided information; he mostly confirmed information that they'd already uncovered. And even this was done in vague terms, sometimes so vague he was misunderstood. Remember the screw-up regarding Haldeman's pre-knowledge? That almost got Woodstein pulled off the case." Pat Speer
Alas and alack...I really didn't want to take the time to address the misinformation in the above paragraph (God, this sort of thing gets so tedious. Some of you folks really ought to think a bit more clearly and still keep things to yourselves). But on behalf of the poor, vulnerable, innocent, unsuspecting, uninitiated, unwashed - those who come here to perform the occasional sorting-out - I'll do two things: ( 1.) correct the errors, including those that are factual, grammatical and syntactical; (2.) urge anyone who reads these missives (including my own) to believe not a scintilla. Instead, try to do some honest and thorough research, all the while cognizant of the practice(s) of disinformation, the afore-mentioned misinformation and that ol' standby… buffoonery. This site, though a unique and often delightful oasis, has its dark and fetid zones. Often it has the look and feel of one of those horrid, clichéd business staff meetings, with people who apparently have LOTS of time of their hands and who are trying so very hard to appear knowledgeable and not fall behind the rest of the class.
“Since Deep Throat failed to tell Woodward about Baldwin, and Felt knew about Baldwin, Felt can't be Deep Throat.”
Whew. The circuitousness, pretzel-like path of that volley is reminiscent of WWI munitions, though we would have to consult our resident expert on those matters. First, referring to Deep Throat as an individual remains, to this day, presumptive and apparently, though not evidently, without merit. Sam Dash, on the old, lamented Larry King syndicated radio show was a guest with Fred Thompson as part of a Watergate anniversary broadcast in 1982. I remember clearly that Dash stated matter-of-factly that DT was a composite. King quickly reminded him that, if true, that would make Woodward guilty of the most egregious offense against journalism and he cited the noted criminal Janet Cook, formerly of The Post, who created much of what she wrote out of whole cloth. This revelatory statement by Dash never made the pages of said Post…Sam Dash on a national broadcast, for God’s sake! We cannot prove DT is a composite but the idea of him (if indeed a he) as one person certainly is not a given.
If we accept the notion that Mark Felt was NOT DT we cannot say it is because he failed to tell Woodward about Baldwin. By that logic, someone who was not DT also probably failed to tell Woodward he had something stuck in his teeth, for example. I understand what Pat thinks he’s getting at but puhleeeeze.
According to a report in this week’s National Journal, the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, who is leading the investigation into the outing of the CIA agent, Valerie Plame, has discovered that George Bush directed Dick Cheney to take personal charge of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joe Wilson. Bush apparently told Fitzgerald this during an interview in the Oval Office on 24th July 2004. Bush also admitted to Fitzgerald that he directed Cheney to disclose classified information to discredit Wilson. However, Bush claims he did not know anything about Cheney ordering Lewis “Scooter” Libby to covertly leak this classified information about Valerie Plame.
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
QUOTE (John Simkin @ Jul 6 2006, 12:27 PM)
According to a report in this week’s National Journal, the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, who is leading the investigation into the outing of the CIA agent, Valerie Plame, has discovered that George Bush directed Dick Cheney to take personal charge of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joe Wilson. Bush apparently told Fitzgerald this during an interview in the Oval Office on 24th July 2004. Bush also admitted to Fitzgerald that he directed Cheney to disclose classified information to discredit Wilson. However, Bush claims he did not know anything about Cheney ordering Lewis “Scooter” Libby to covertly leak this classified information about Valerie Plame.
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
John:
Astounding, but predictable. It's not in the news here. I will look online after court.
And you KNOW why it's not "headline" news inthe US.
Dawn
QUOTE (John Simkin @ Jul 6 2006, 05:27 AM)
George Bush directed Dick Cheney to take personal charge of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joe Wilson. Bush apparently told Fitzgerald this during an interview in the Oval Office on 24th July 2004. Bush also admitted to Fitzgerald that he directed Cheney to disclose classified information to discredit Wilson.
Are there any updates or follow-ups over there, John? (Apparently here in the land of the free we need to appeal to Great Britain, now, to find out what we are doing. Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.)
Ashton Gray
QUOTE (John Simkin @ Jul 6 2006, 12:27 PM)
According to a report in this week’s National Journal, the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, who is leading the investigation into the outing of the CIA agent, Valerie Plame, has discovered that George Bush directed Dick Cheney to take personal charge of a campaign to discredit former ambassador Joe Wilson. Bush apparently told Fitzgerald this during an interview in the Oval Office on 24th July 2004. Bush also admitted to Fitzgerald that he directed Cheney to disclose classified information to discredit Wilson. However, Bush claims he did not know anything about Cheney ordering Lewis “Scooter” Libby to covertly leak this classified information about Valerie Plame.
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
Is this headline news in the United States? If not, why not?
if not, why not...indeed....can you say:"controlled media"? Things like that only get out on things like www.democacynow.org [they covered it..but they are the alternative media which is ignored by and unknown to most all in the Empire]. Bush said he would 'get to the bottom of this' and 'get rid of anyone involved in illegal leaks', so maybe he will fire himself or do the honorable thing and commit suicide on national TV. His last two years as a 'lame duck' will be [you heard it here!] a nightmare of-war, death, destruction, looting of the American and World money and resources, dimunition of democracy, new 9-11-style smoke-and mirror-inside-job-Reichstag-fire-like horrors, lies, deceptions and worse - making the first six years of horror pale. The worst President ever - despite being the 'kind of guy many might want to invite to their next barbeque' The man should be impeached and belongs in jail - although this is one of the least of his multitude 'sins' against humanity, democracy, law. He is not the real power behind the throne anyway. Those in the entire structure behind him all belong in jail. The very fact there is no real movement in that direction shows the depravity and moral abyss in America today. America is so very lost and I don't expect it to find its way anytime soon....the way things are going, perhaps never. Farewell my beloved country.
[quote name='Peter Lemkin' date='Jul 9 2006, 10:02 AM' post='67685']
I've been saying the exact thing to my husband for sometime now. Carl O thinks it's too late also. I think we MUST fight back in any and all ways we can. Thank god for alt. media.
Dawn
QUOTE (John Simkin @ Jul 6 2006, 12:27 PM)
if not, why not...indeed....can you say:"controlled media"? Things like that only get out on things like www.democacynow.org [they covered it..but they are the alternative media which is ignored by and unknown to most all in the Empire]. Bush said he would 'get to the bottom of this' and 'get rid of anyone involved in illegal leaks', so maybe he will fire himself or do the honorable thing and commit suicide on national TV. His last two years as a 'lame duck' will be [you heard it here!] a nightmare of-war, death, destruction, looting of the American and World money and resources, dimunition of democracy, new 9-11-style smoke-and mirror-inside-job-Reichstag-fire-like horrors, lies, deceptions and worse - making the first six years of horror pale. The worst President ever - despite being the 'kind of guy many might want to invite to their next barbeque' The man should be impeached and belongs in jail - although this is one of the least of his multitude 'sins' against humanity, democracy, law. He is not the real power behind the throne anyway. Those in the entire structure behind him all belong in jail. The very fact there is no real movement in that direction shows the depravity and moral abyss in America today. America is so very lost and I don't expect it to find its way anytime soon....the way things are going, perhaps never. Farewell my beloved country.
I've been saying the exact thing to my husband for sometime now. Carl O thinks it's too late also. I think we MUST fight back in any and all ways we can. Thank god for alt. media.
Dawn
QUOTE (Ashton Gray @ Jul 9 2006, 03:35 AM)
Are there any updates or follow-ups over there, John? (Apparently here in the land of the free we need to appeal to Great Britain, now, to find out what we are doing. Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.)
I will keep a look out in the UK media. However, it is usually only the Guardian that reports these stories. The BBC tends to leave these stories alone. They have been quietened by Blair’s threats to cut their budget.
Do you know anything about Philip Anschutz? He is a very unpleasant American businessman who has been causing problems for Tony Blair.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7308
In 2002 Anschutz came close to being arrested and tried for selling $1.57 billion worth of stock in the Qwest Corporation, months before its share price collapsed. It resulted in him paying $4.4m to Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney-general, to keep himself out of prison. He is now using some of this money to corrupt members of the UK government.
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