Fetzer and the facts never the twain shall meet



To read about his “top 10 reasons why there were no hijackers” and reality read this blog entry.



http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/07/uncle-fetzers-top-ten-reasons-why.html



You can watch him here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fbP1lvmBY8



Point #10 was debunked long ago (1) Fetzer, as we come to expect didn’t do his homework. Point #3 Fetzer seems to have pulled out of his hat (I was going to suggest he pulled it out of a part of his anatomy he suggested Tink pulled stuff from but I have more tact (2)). No one, at least not the government, ever claimed the CVR tape of flight 93 picked up the passengers planning to use the beverage cart as a battering ram. Something he could have verified by looking at the official transcript which has been available from various sources since the Moussaoui trial (3), I guess checking to make sure you have your facts straight before shooting your mouth off is something that Fetzer thinks he’s exempt from since he is a “scholar”, PhD and perhaps the World’s most highly accomplished college professor (4). It is tempting to suggest that Fetzer was intentionally lying about point #3 but it’s hard to imagine even “Uncle Fetzer” would be so stupid as to intentionally make a statement that is so easily proven false.



Len



1) http://www.911myths.com/html/cnn_passenger_lists.html , http://www.911myths.com/html/passenger_manifests.html



2) The ever charming ‘scholar’ wrote “Thompson just pulls this stuff out his ass” http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaims...NK/message/2560



3) http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/moussaouitranscript.pdf



4) Fetzer actually made this claim. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jfk-research/message/3858 funny thing for a prof. at a forth rate school to make.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=76618



I was going to let that go as an offhand comment but since Mr. Healy asked for proof I will oblige him. There is an old adage among lawyers, ‘never ask a witness a question if you don’t know the answer’.



David do you really think I would say such a thing if I didn’t have proof of your buddy being intellectually dishonest?



I already outlined some of Fetzer’s lies in another thread http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=40521



Fetzer lied twice during his presentation at the “American Scholars’ Symposium (June 24 or 25 this year) an event organized by Alex Jones which was videotaped and is available on Google Video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=86...etzer&hl=en

39 minutes into it he declared “under federal law when ever there is an aircraft crash of the kind that occurred here the National Transportation Safety Board is obliged to carry out an investigation. Do you know that to this day the national Transportation Safety Board has not investigated one of the crashes on 9/11, not one”. This is incorrect because by federal law “the Safety Board does not investigate criminal activity” and once “the Attorney General, in consultation with the Chairman of the Safety Board notifies the Board that circumstances reasonably indicate that the accident may have been caused by an intentional criminal act” “the FBI becomes the lead federal investigative body, with the NTSB providing any requested support”



www.ntsb.gov/Abt_NTSB/invest.htm

OR

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:oPAs2M...NTSB/invest.htm



OR see below



Fetzer knows this of course because he repeatedly cited (and at times misquoted) the law and NTSB policy quoted above in his book and articles about the Wellstone crash.

American Assassination, chapter 7, ‘Alternative Explainations’ section, pg 129 – 130 (1st edition) he even provided the above NTSB link as his source.

http://www.assassinationscience.com/ThompsonReview.pdf

http://www.assassinationscience.com/About_...f_a_Senator.pdf

www.assassinationscience.com/About_AMERICAN_ASSASSINATION.pdf

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/...ne.shtml#_edn56

Fetzer told another lie in that presentation, 20 minutes into it he said the largest item found in the wreckage of the Twin Towers was a “little tiny segment off of a phone” and indicated something about the size of a quarter with his fingers. However numerous larger items were found (http://www.amny.com/entertainment/news/am-...allery?index=25 http://americanhistory.si.edu/september11/...&location=1 ) including a crystal globe paper weight from Tiffany’s which a FBI gave to his secretary http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.htm...20Department%20 . Fetzer knows this too because he wrote about it in his book about Wellstone, “…the FBI’s Minnesota Evidence Respones Team had been accused of stealing evidence from the World Trade Center site where they had been sent to investigate. The stolen evidence was a valuable Tiffany’s paperweight…”



American Assassination, chapter 3, ‘Crash Scene Wreckage’ section, pg 51 (1st edition)



He also lied by omission several times in the Wellstone book failing to inform his readers that 1) Conry (the pilot) told one of his oldest and closest friends who was himself a pilot that he had difficulty flying, especially taking of and landing King Airs, the accident plane was a King Air on approach (part of the landing phase), 2) Conry told his wife the other pilots at the company thought that Guess, the co-pilot, was incompetent, 3)Guess was fired from his previous piloting job (a sky diving company) for incompetence 4) one of the pilots at the company said that Guess had difficulty landing on his own 5) Conry almost certainly had far fewer flight hours than he claimed 6) most of those flight hours were accumulated before a 12 hiatus due to being sent jail and being legally blind 7) he had lasik surgery to improve his vision but was still required by the FAA to use corrective lens, his wife and friend said he didn’t and the coroner didn’t find any evidence he was 8) three days before the crash Conry screwed up so badly his co pilot suggested he retire 9) a colleague said Conry nearly crashed into the control tower when taking off 10) the pilot who said Conry was very careful had not flown with him for about 12 years 11) the plane didn’t suddenly turn off course, the plane missed a turn off and was on the wrong vector for several minutes 12) there was a problem with the beacon at the airport FAA tests carried out shortly after the crash led pilots very close to the crash location 13) Conry normally let his co-pilots fly so much that many said they could not judge his piloting skills others said he had a tendency to become distracted 14) 3 days before the crash he fell asleep between flights, the day before the crash he waken at 1:30 AM to go on a last minute flight, according to the co-pilot he looked so sick the passengers who were Red Cross personnel were afraid to go near him 15) during his biannual flight check 2 days before the crash the instructor had to coach him to respond faster to simulated engine failure, a scenario similar to a stall which the NTSB determined was the cause of the crash (All of the above is documented in the thread about the Wellstone book). This information can be found in the same NTSB and news reports he based his book on



Len



“Investigations Involving Criminal Activity

In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. The Safety Board does not investigate criminal activity; in the past, once it has been established that a transportation tragedy is, in fact, a criminal act, the FBI becomes the lead federal investigative body, with the NTSB providing any requested support.

[…]

As the result of recent legislation, the NTSB will surrender lead status on a transportation accident only if the Attorney General, in consultation with the Chairman of the Safety Board, notifies the Board that circumstances reasonably indicate that the accident may have been caused by an intentional criminal act.”

Must be a picnic of nit pikers going on so where is Posner, et al.

The tests of time are slanting away from specious arguments of diversion, nit pik pik pik. Keep on pikin'.

Bests,
John

Len Colby' dronned:

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I was going to let that go as an offhand comment but since Mr. Healy asked for proof I will oblige him. There is an old adage among lawyers, ‘never ask a witness a question if you don’t know the answer’.

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offhand, OFFHAND comment? LMAO... There's also a age old adage regarding researchers and JFK assassination related evidence: never believe self-professed CT type lawyers when it comes to discussing same...

You have a copy of the WCR and volumes down there Brazil way, Counselor?

It should be noted that when the facts aren't on Healy's side (which is about 99 percent of the time) he resorts to insults, inane/snide remarks and/or pathetic attempts at humor.

David – YOU pressed the matter about Fetzer being dishonest. I was going to let it go at that remark. I have shown that on multiple occasions he gave false information that he almost certainly knew was false. If you want to defend him try to show that he a) didn't say what I said he said, b) was correct or c) didn't know what he said was incorrect. I doubt you'll be able to do any of the above because I have shown: a) where he made these comments, b) that they were incorrect c) that he almost certainly knew they were incorrect (he misquoted his own book for example).

It's not a question of trusting me, if someone doesn't all they have to do is check my sources. Since the text of his book is not available online I provide here a scan of the cited passages.

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http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l281/len...l/fetzer001.jpg

I wonder if Fetzer was in the right why he hasn't said anything I brought up these lies on another forum that he is a member of but so far he hasn't replied. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FETZERclaimsDEBUNK/

"offhand, OFFHAND comment? LMAO"

Yes Davie 'offhand'

Main Entry: 2offhand
Function: adjective
1 : CASUAL, INFORMAL <a relaxed, offhand manner>
2 : done or made offhand <offhand excuses>

Function: adverb
: without premeditation or preparation : EXTEMPORE <couldn't give the figures offhand>

http://m-w.com/dictionary/offhand

I didn't plan on documenting or making a big deal about his dishonesty; I was merely expressing my opinion of his work in reaction to John's comment. You forced my hand.

The Tiffany globe was presumably this model which is 4 inches (10 cm) in diameter.news articles referred to it being worth $ 250 it now sells for $299. Perhaps Jack can do some photo-analysis showing that Fetzer's fingers weren't really less than an inch apart in the video as they appear to be but rather more that four.





[size="3"]http://www.tiffany.com/Shopping/item.aspx?sku=11733336&search_params=t+globe-s+0-p+1-l+-h+-c+-r+-x

Fetzer might want to take the time to speak to John Judge, who actually took the time to do some actual research on this matter. He talked with the air staff on the ground that saw the highjackers get on the planes.
One of Johns friends was an air hostess, who's usual route was the one that went into the pentagon, she was allowed into the crash site and saw pieces of the airplane and also saw the friendship bracelet on her friends severed hand.

John confronted a 9/11 CTer in my presence a few months back, the CTer simply refused to believe John.
The Truth movement by and large is a cult that refuses to make any acceptions to what their 'experts' say.

So there is one excellent reason why the highjackers were on the place
1. Because the air stewards saw them get on!


John

John Judge is a good friend of mine, and is correct on most issues.
However, in this instance, I believe he has been has been taken in
by clever propaganda presented to a close friend, stewardess T Carter.
She was summoned to the Pentagon and shown a photo of a severed
arm which had a bracelet on it and asked whether she could identify
it. She said the bracelet belonged to a friend. Why was Ms. Carter
selected to show the gruesome photo to? Why not a family member?
Was she chosen because she is a friend of Judge?

I find this bizarre. How many other various "body parts" were photographed
and identified "by friends"? This is the only known instance. What is the
documentation for the finding of this "arm" and photographing it? Was it
photographed in the Pentagon or at a morgue? How do we know the arm
came from the Pentagon event and not some other source? How did they know to
show it to Ms. Carter?

I do not think John or Ms. Carter are trying to mislead; they are telling
what they know. I think they are victims of very bizarre propaganda.

Jack