The following timeline first was posted in another topic in this forum: R. Spencer Oliver. Although relevant to issues raised in that thread, it is being put here in its own topic because of interest that has been expressed in discussing its larger ramifications. This first post in this thread merely lays out the timeline as it was in the original thread. It may be edited and expanded later on, but just as it is it provides documented data for a considerable amount of discussion.

Before posting this timeline I want to point out a governing precept: this timeline does not reach, even remotely (pun intended), to the relative validity of Scientology or any part thereof, or to the real or imagined or alleged character of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, or to the activities, beliefs, or character of any Scientologist not involved in the CIA-related events at issue. Whatever you or I or anyone might think personally about any of the above—whether informed, uninformed, misinformed, or disinformed—is wholly irrelevant to the facts in this time line. It also is wholly irrelevant to this thread and this topic, and I am going to overtly ask here that moderators keep such irrelevancies out of this thread, recognizing those irrelevancies as efforts to distract and destroy discussion of this subject. Such tactics always and invariably are efforts to distract and disrupt.

I have seen this exact methodology used repeatedly in other forums to destroy responsible and rational discussion of the CIA's involvement with top-level Scientology OTs in developing CIA's remote viewing program, and the same irresponsible and destructive tactics have been used right here in these forums just hours before my origination of this topic.

The tactic always is to attempt to steer all discussion away from the CIA's activities, and to focus attention and discussion onto the relative merits or demerits of Scientology itself and its founder. In every case I have seen, always there are attempts at making the following associations to stir up instant hatreds and off-topic rants with hot buttons (this list being inclusive, not exclusive): Jim Jones; Jonestown; poisoned Kool-Aid; space aliens; Charles Manson; cults; Aleister Crowley; black magic (magick); Hubbard's military record; fraud; tax evasion.

All of it is completely irrelevant to what the CIA did vis-a-vis Scientology. In fact, a case could be made (but I won't be making it in this thread—maybe another topic) for the CIA itself, and allied factions of the U.S. Federal Government, being the actual source of the majority of just such invidious associations, these concepts and condemnations having been seeded as part of the massive smoke screen that CIA has hidden its Scientology connections behind for over 30 years.

Regardless of how such tabloid-quality concepts came into currency, all still are entirely irrelevant to the facts at issue, one of the most salient facts being that on 1 October 1972, while Watergate was dominating headlines around the world, the CIA entered into a top secret contract with two high-level Scientology "Operating Thetans"—Hal Puthoff and Ingo Swann—both of whom had U.S. intelligence backgrounds and high-level clearances: Puthoff having worked for NSA prior to entering Scientology and rising to its highest level, Swann having been in military intelligence and having worked at the United Nations before entering Scientology. Within only weeks (if even that) of the 1 October 1972 secret contract, CIA added another top-level Scientologist, Pat Price, to this central core of Scientologists who established and controlled the CIA's remote viewing program that ran for over 25 years in supreme secrecy.

So regardless of what anyone thinks about Scientology or its founder, what is at issue, what matters, and what is relevant to these discussions is what CIA thought about it at the time, and why CIA went to such extreme lengths to keep this unholy marriage (a borrowed metaphor) such a tightly guarded secret for so long—even through all the celebrated congressional "investigations" into CIA activities in the 1970s. Efforts to steer this thread off of its focus on what CIA did, and onto Scientology itself, and efforts to smear and discredit the subject of Scientology itself, its founder, its adherents, and forum members who want to discuss CIA's role in relationship to Scientology, should be seen for exactly what they are: attempts to derail the discussion of CIA's activities related to Scientology, and the possible relevance and connection of CIA's remote viewing program to the events known as Watergate. As soon as I post this timeline, I am PMing the moderators with the names of four forum members who I predict will find every excuse imaginable to do just exactly that.

Here is the timeline:

Sunday, 4 June 1972
It is one week to the day after the purported "first break-in" at the Watergate, and the simultaneous disappearance of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in Morocco over Memorial Day weekend 1972. On this date Ingo Swann—a Scientology OT VII—departs New York City by plane for San Francisco, where he is met by NSA's Hal Puthoff—also a Scientology OT VII—and taken to Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Puthoff has offices at SRI with Russell Targ, who has been working secretly with CIA for some time on developing parapsychology for military intelligence purposes. [NOTE: New York City is the location of the backstopped address set up the previous year by Anthony Ulasewicz under Operation Sandwedge, just blocks from the lab of CIA's Cleve Backster, with whom Swann has been conducting experiments in telekinesis. While noting that Swann's trip to meet with Puthoff and CIA in California comes one week after the purported "first break-in" at the Watergate and the simultaneous disappearance of Hubbard, it must also be noted, in the "amazing coincidences" department, that Swann later will travel to Washington, D.C. one week after the upcoming 17 June "break-in" at the Watergate—in which the CIA-connected perps are "caught" and begin volunteering self-incriminating stories about their whereabouts over Memorial Day weekend (See 24 c. June 1972.)]

Tuesday, 6 June 1972
Ingo Swann remotely affects a superconducting magnetometer encased in solid concrete five feet beneath the foundation of the Varian Hall of Physics, Stanford University, causing significant readings on the device's trace charts. The event is witnessed by Dr. Arthur Hebard (sometimes spelled "Hebbard"), Dr. Marshal Lee, and six "doctoral candidates" (allegedly students of Hebard, but including CIA representatives who are involved with Swann, Puthoff, and Targ).

Wednesday, 7 June 1972
Puthoff and Swann meet with Willis Harmon, head of a CIA front called "Educational Policy Research Center" with offices at SRI and in Washington, D.C.

Thursday, 8 June 1972
Swann meets with CIA-connected psychiatrist and neurosurgeon Shafica Karagulla at the home of William Tiller.

Friday, 9 June 1972
Ingo Swann returns to New York City. On the same day John Paul Vann—who earlier had been closely connected in Vietnam with CIA's Lucien Conein, Daniel Ellsberg, and Neil Sheehan (reporter who "leaked" the Pentagon Papers for Ellsberg)—dies in a freakish helicopter crash in Vietnam that involves no enemy engagement.

Saturday, 17 June 1972
The "break-in" takes place at the Watergate hotel, in which CIA-connected men are "caught" inside DNC headquarters (although it requires two tapings of an entrance door to effect their getting "caught"). After attorney Douglas Caddy arrives at the D.C. jail (purportedly at the behest of CIA's E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy), CIA's James McCord volunteers to Washington, D.C. policeman Gary Bittenbender: "These are all good men, ex-CIA men." Sweeps of DNC headquarters conducted by FBI and police find no bugs installed.

Sunday, 18 June 1972
Kathleen Chenow, who has worked for almost a year with Hunt and Liddy in "Room 16," with scrambled lines to CIA headquarters at Langley, suddenly leaves the United States for a "vacation" in London. On the same day—the very day after the "break-in" carried out by CIA assets—Ingo Swann arrives in Northfield, Minnesota at the "annual retreat" of the Spiritual Frontiers Foundation (SFF). [NOTE: SFF is heavily funded by W. Clement Stone, to whose foundation in Chicago E. Howard Hunt has delivered an envelope of cash, given to him by G. Gordon Liddy, about six weeks earlier.]

Monday, 19 June 1972
Martha Mitchell calls a reporter late at night from a private villa of the Hyatt Newporter Hotel at 1107 Jamboree Road in Newport Beach, California. Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray is staying at the same hotel. Martha Mitchell is telling the reporter: "I saw dirty things. I know dirty things." The telephone cord is ripped from the wall. Martha Mitchell is forcefully thrown down onto the bed and forcibly given a shot in the buttocks. [NOTE: She won't be seen or heard from again for over a week, when she surfaces, bruised, in Westchester, New York for a "press conference" just miles from a CIA-connected psychiatric hospital euphemistically referred to as the "Westchester Country Club."

Tuesday, 20 June 1972
L. Patrick Gray only now returns to Washington, D.C. from California. The same morning he arrives, it's confirmed that John Dean will be handling all aspects of the Watergate investigation for the White House. That puts John Dean at the White House and L. Patrick Gray at the FBI solely in charge of every aspect of the investigation to follow. Everything that happens regarding the investigation from this point forward is under their dual control. On or around the same day, Bernard Barker receives $17,000 for bail money from E. Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy Hunt, plus "ten- to twelve-thousand dollars" for "expenses." The same day L. Patrick Gray meets with FBI Special Agents conducting the investigation and they discuss amongst themselves that "there could be a CIA operation involved." The same day G. Gordon Liddy (with "special clearances" from CIA) meets at Fred LaRue's apartment with LaRue and Robert Mardian and weaves a complicated (and completely unsubstantiated) tale of Liddy and Hunt having been involved with breaking into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office, interfering with Dita Beard, and having allegedly broken into the DNC on Memorial Day weekend. [NOTE: Robert Mardian is the person who had approached Liddy in December of 1970—shortly after both E. Howard Hunt and James McCord had "retired" from CIA—and asked Liddy to take a position Mardian described as "super confidential." Within six months of the Mardian offer, Liddy was in "the Plumbers" unit inside the White House staff with Hunt, both working with NSA's David Young. Hal Puthoff also is from NSA.]

Wednesday, 21 June 1972
E. Howard Hunt has flown first to New York, stayed overnight, and flown from there to Los Angeles, California. He is staying at the L.A. home of "former" CIA operative Morton B. "Tony" Jackson. G. Gordon Liddy—who has "special clearances" from CIA—flies to L.A. and meets with Hunt and Jackson. On the same day, Judge Charles Richey has been assigned to hear a civil suit filed by the Democratic National Committee against the Committee to Re-Elect the President Watergate. [NOTE: Within a few years, Charles Richey will be the federal judge who throws out Scientology Guardian Office Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and conspiracy cases naming the FBI, the Director of the FBI, the Attorney General, the CIA, the Director of Central Intelligence, the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA), the Secretary of the Treasury, and the Secretary of the Army. Ritchey will go on later to preside over the criminal trial of Mary Sue Hubbard and 10 members of Scientology's Guardian's Office who are accused of stealing federal documents, and subsequently sentenced to prison. House Majority Leader Hale Boggs is Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.]

Thursday, 22 June 1972
The FBI interviews Charles Colson and ostensibly come away with the belief that Watergate is "a CIA thing." Acting FBI Director Gray calls CIA Director Richard Helms and purportedly says, "I think we've run right into the middle of a CIA covert operation." Helms asserts emphatically, "there is no CIA involvement." But Helms also makes a very strange and ambiguous "request" to Gray: "not to interview the two CIA men" (unnamed). Gray immediately issues the order to his Special Agents in charge of the Watergate investigation, telling SA Bates: "there was some CIA involvement here," and that "we should proceed very gingerly and very discreetly and carry out the investigation at the Banco Internationale, and also continue to try to trace these checks through the correspondent banks, but to hold off interviewing Mr. Ogarrio"—the Mexican lawyer through which part of the money found on Watergate burglars had come. Ken Dahlberg, source of the rest of the money, is also obliquely and ambiguously included in this hold-off. After his discussion with Richard Helms and the issuances of his orders, L. Patrick Gray has a late-evening private meeting with John Dean.[NOTE: The contradictions and conflicts in the accounts of this "possible CIA involvement" phase, and the ambiguity of the reference to a rigorously unidentified pair, "two CIA men," has no equal in all the rest of Watergate—which is saying a lot. It is literally impossible to catalog all the contradictions here, but this note is to mark this extraordinary vortex of confusion, particularly about an alleged pair of "two CIA men," when in fact all the perps involved in the break-in could be described as "CIA men."]

Friday, 23 June 1972
Acting FBI Diretor L. Patrick Gray receives an airgram from the Legal Attaché Copenhagen with the subject "L. Ron Hubbard." It encloses other airgrams captioned "The Church of Scientology in Denmark" (one of the few locations in the world at the time where the Scientology "OT Levels" are delivered). Richard M. Nixon has a breakfast meeting with House Minority Leader Gerald Ford and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs—both of whom had been members of the Warren Commission. Ford is a prominent member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. Boggs is Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Later the same morning, H.R. Haldeman, after hearing from Dean (who had met with Gray the night before) briefs Nixon. Haldeman says specifically: "the way to handle this now is for us to have [Deputy CIA Director Vernon] Walters call Pat Gray and just say, 'Stay the hell out of this...this is ah, business here we don't want you to go any further on it.' That's not an unusual development...and, uh, that would take care of it. ...Pat [Gray] does want to. He doesn't know how to, and he doesn't have, he doesn't have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis." Nixon seizes on this "idea" (which had been laundered through Dean and Haldeman) and orders it. Later that morning, CIA's Director Richard Helms, former Deputy CIA Director General Cushman, and current Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters meet with Haldeman and Ehrlichman at the White House, after which Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters sets up a closed-door meeting with L. Patrick Gray that afternoon. [NOTE: CIA disinformation campaigns uniformly make it appear that Nixon spontaneously ordered a "cover up" on the morning of 23 June 1972, when in fact he was induced into agreeing to it through back-channel machinations of Gray and Helms on 22 June, funneled through Dean to Haldeman to Nixon on the morning of 23 June. Helms himself arranged with Gray on 22 June for the FBI not to interview the anonymous-in-testimony "two CIA men"—who only much later are revealed actually to have been two internal CIA employees who had been involved with Liddy and Hunt at relevant times.]

Saturday, 24 June 1972
One week after the "break-in," Ingo Swann secretly arrives in Washington, D.C. "to discuss psi [parapsychology] phenomena with a variety of officials...in terms of universal human consciousness." [NOTE: The unidentified "officials" of course are CIA.]

Sunday, 25 June 1972
John Dean calls Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray at his apartment in the morning and says he wants to meet and talk with Gray. Gray purportedly offers to meet with Dean at Gray's office at the Department of Justice, but Dean doesn't want to be seen there. So Gray meets John Dean outside Gray's southwest Washington, D.C. apartment at Harbor Square. They walk around the area and sit down on a bench and talk privately. On the same day, the FBI "locates" Afred C. Baldwin, who agrees to cooperate, supposedly "to avoid the grand jury."

Monday, 26 June 1972
John Dean is in telephone contact with Deputy CIA Dirctor Vernon Walters, who works directly for and operates only at the behest of and on the instructions of CIA Director Richard Helms.

Tuesday, 27 June 1972
Scientology OT VII Hal Puthoff sends a summary to "K. Green," Office of Strategic Intelligence (OSI) at CIA, of the results of the Varian Hall magnetometer experiment with Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann. On the same day, Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray has two phone conversations with CIA Director Richard Helms.

Wednesday, 28 June 1972
Again CIA Director Richard Helms is in contact with L. Patrick Gray. Helms tells Gray "not to interview active CIA men Karl Wagner and John Caswell"—both of whom have been involved with G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt. Gray immediately orders "that the interviews of John Caswell and Karl Wagner be held in abeyance," and simultaneously orders his special agents to interview Ogarrio and Dahlberg—the sources of the money found with the Watergate perps. [NOTE: The public revelation of which "two CIA men" really were protected by Gray didn't come until many months later, while the public had been falsely led to believe that Ogarrio and Dahlberg might have had some kind of CIA connection. This was the CIA's "bait and switch" that created phony media and public interest over some possible CIA connection (the money chain), which, through this Helms-Gray con, was suddenly removed, while secretly protecting the real CIA assets and liaisons to Liddy, Hunt, McCord and the other CIA henchmen involved with Watergate. In short, a "CIA interest" was concocted using "leads" (the money chain through Ogarrio and Dahlberg) that were known by CIA to lead only to the White House, since Liddy and Hunt had done all the money laundering in their double-agent capacity as "White House staff."] In the evening, John Dean meets with L. Patrick Gray and secretly turns over two large envelopes purportedly containing papers and items from the White House safe of CIA's E. Howard Hunt that had been withheld from the rank-and-file FBI agents. [NOTE: No accurate or complete accounting of what was or was not turned over to Gray has ever existed, and in fact Hunt later participated in a suit about it, apparently for no other purpose than to further confuse the issue. Gray later tells at least three conflicting stories under oath about what he had been given, and what he purportedly did with the materials he had been given. Hunt, Dean, and Gray all tell conflicting stories about the contents of Hunt's safe, some of which has been covered thoroughly elsewhere in the thread in this forum on "the Diem cables."] Dean also asks Gray for special access to certain FBI files on the Watergate investigation, which Gray agrees to. Dean again is in telephone contact with Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters (who acts only at the behest of CIA Director Richard Helms). On the same day, Douglas Caddy is served with a subpoena from Judge John Sirica to appear before the Watergate Grand jury, and Caddy forthwith "withdraw[s] completely from representation of any of the seven defendants," according to Caddy. [NOTE: Caddy's claim implies that he actually was "representing" one or more of them, a fact not in evidence except by unsupported claims. Caddy consistently has refused to answer questions in this forum going to the issue of whether he ever was attorney of record for any of the defendants. John Sirica—who had assigned the Watergate case to himself—is the judge who in 1967 had presided over the federal case against the Founding Church of Scientology of Washington D.C. concerning Scientology electropsychometers (E-Meters) that had been seized by the FDA and FBI in February 1963 under John F. Kennedy. The E-Meters had been in the possession of the federal government until the trial, after which Sirica ordered the meters destroyed. His order had been held in abeyance on appeal, leaving the devices still in the possessiona and control of federal agencies. On appeal the case was overturned and Sirica's ruling thrown out.]

Saturday, 1 July 1972
A highly classified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report entitled "Controlled Offensive Behavior—USSR" expresses U.S. concerns that "Soviet efforts in the field of psi research, sooner or later, might enable them to do some of the following: ( a ) Know the contents of top secret US documents, the movements of our troops and ships and the location and nature of our military installations ( b ) Mould the thoughts of key US military and civilian leaders at a distance ( c ) Cause the instant death of any US official at a distance ( d ) Disable, at a distance, US military equipment of all types, including spacecraft." It says further: "The Soviet Union is well aware of the benefits and applications of parapsychology research. The term parapsychology denotes a multi-disciplinary field consisting of the sciences of bionics, biophysics, psychophysics, psychology, physiology and neuropsychology. Many scientists, U.S. and Soviet, feel that parapsychology can be harnessed to create conditions where one can alter or manipulate the minds of others. The major impetus behind the Soviet drive to harness the possible capabilities of telepathic communication, telekinetic and bionics are said to come from the Soviet military and the KGB. ...Soviet knowledge in this field is superior to that of the U.S. ...Control and manipulation of the human consciousness must be considered a primary goal."

Wednesday, 5 July 1972
Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray has private conversations with CIA Deputy Director Vernon Walters and with John Dean. Around this time, Gray turns over FBI records of the investigation to Dean. Kathleen Chenow, former secretary to NSA's David Young and part time secretary to CIA's E. Howard Hunt, returns from England to be interviewed by the FBI. Alfred Baldwin receives assurance from U.S. attorneys that he will not be indicted, and will be treated as a witness, not a defendant.

Saturday, 8 July 1972
CIA's James McCord secures Gerald Alch as his attorney (for a fee of $25,000, plus expenses). Alch gets word that the Watergate prosecutors have "independent knowledge" of monitoring equipment having been delivered to McCord's home, into the possession of Mrs. McCord, by "an unspecified person" (who of course is Alfred Baldwin) on the night the burglars were "caught." The prosecutors have threatened to indict Mrs. McCord, but won't if the equipment is turned over. Alch helps arrange that Mrs. McCord turn over the equipment to prosecutors on the condition that she not be indicted, and that the prosecutors may not reveal during the trial who they got the equipment from. [NOTE: Despite having been asked repeatedly in this forum, Alfred Baldwin has refused to answer how he left McCord's house after he purportedly drove the van full of "monitoring equipment" there.]

Wednesday, 12 July 1972
There is further conversation between L. Patrick Gray and Deputy CIA Director Vernon Walters.

Wednesday, 19 July 1972
$40,000 is delivered to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York City.

Wednesday, 26 July 1972
In New York City, Ingo Swann is engaged in an out-of-body experiment at the American Society for Psychical Research that verifies the ability to assume a point of view remote from the physical body, but with the perceptions normally attributed to the visual system and brain of the body. On the same day, John Dean calls L. Patrick Gray and requests the FBI 302 investigative forms from the Watergate investigation. On the same day, Herbert Kalmbach meets with John Ehrlichman and expresses concern that the money he is funneling to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York is a "legally proper activity." Ehrlichman purportedly assures him that it is.

Friday, 28 July 1972
L. Patrick Gray again is in contact with Deputy Director of CIA Vernon Walters. The same day, John Dean picks up about 80 FBI 302 forms from Gray.

Saturday, 29 July 1972
About $60,000 more goes to Anthony Ulasewicz in New York City.

Tuesday, 1 c. August 1972
On or around this date, a secret "mission" purportedly from the Scientology flagship Apollo is in Rabat, Morocco, involved with Moroccon Minister of Defense Muhammad Oufkir and the Moroccon secret police.[NOTE: Oufkir and his own intelligence assets are believed to have been involved with intelligence agency assets in a 28 May 1972 kidnapping and assassination of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard (covered elsewhere and outside the scope). The personnel of this purported "mission" of "Scientologists" are secretly in liaison with CIA, using DEA cover, setting Oufkir up for a later intentionally sabotaged attempt on the life of Moroccon King Hassan II. See entry for 16 August 1972 et seq.]

Monday, 7 August 1972
On or around this date, Anthony Ulasewicz flies from New York City to California and is given $75,000 more in cash. On this date, Ingo Swann flies from New York City to San Francisco where he is met by Hal Puthoff. Puthoff purportedly hands an envelope of an undisclosed amount of cash to Swann on his arrival. Swann is there to participate in secret CIA experiments in remote perception and telekinesis at SRI.

Friday, 11 August 1972
Ingo Swann flies to Los Angeles with CIA-connected psychiatrist Dr. Shafica Karagulla and an undisclosed "associate."

Saturday, 12 August 1972
Anthony Ulasewicz is in Washington, D. C. and leaves a disputed amount of cash in an envelope at Washington National Airport for Dorothy Hunt before flying back to New York.

Monday, 14 August 1972
Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann returns to SRI from Los Angeles and begins a scheduled two-week series of experiments on remote perception with CIA personnel. The results are described as "startling accurate," and CIA's Sidney Gottlieb approves more funding and another work order for the development of "a more complete research plan."

Wednesday, 16 August 1972
On his return from Paris, King Hassan II of Morocco's plane is attacked by jets from his own Moroccon Air Force. The attempted coup is being run by Moroccon Minister of Defense Muhammad Oufkir, but has been sabotaged from the inside, the jets being "armed" with training blanks, so fails spectacularly.

Thursday, 17 August 1972
Muhammad Oufkir is reported as having been the mastermind behind the coup attempt on King Hassan II, and as having "committed suicide." [NOTE: An eyewitness after the fact has described Oufkir's body as riddled with bullets from the back.]

Wednesday, 23 August 1972
Richard M. Nixon accepts the nomination for President at the Republican National Convention in Miami.

Wednesday, 30 August 1972
Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray receives a message (signature blacked out): "Did you receive the printed matter that was sent to you concerning Scientology, if so please acknowledge. Thank you."

Friday, 1 c. September 1972
On or about this date, the Scientology flagship Apollo is moved from Morocco to Lisbon, Spain, reportedly to go into dry dock. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard's whereabout have been unknown since Memorial Day weekend, the Apollo crew having been told he had gone to "live ashore" at a secret location in Morocco, where he purportedly is to stay when the ship is moved to Spain. On this date, Acting FBI Director sends a reply to the anonymous person who had sent him a message on 30 August regarding Scientology: "Your letter was received on August 30th. With respect to your inquiry, a search of our records does not reveal any prior communication from you. Sincerely yours, L. Patrick Gray III". On or about the same date, Jim Dincalci—who has been "Medical Officer" aboard the flagship Apollo, with access to L. Ron Hubbard—arrives in New York City from Morocco, purportedly "on leave."

Tuesday, 5 September 1972
Acting Director of the FBI L. Patrick Gray receives a communique from the Legal Attaché Copenhagen, "SUBJECT: L. RON HUBBARD." It says, "Enclosed are single copies of an airgram dated 6/23/72, captioned 'THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IN DENMARK,' from AmEmbassy, Copenhagen, to U.S. Dept. of State, which is self-explanatory." On the same day, eight Arab terrorists, members of the Black September group, enter the dormitory that houses the Israeli Olympic athletes, kill two Israelis, and take nine others hostage. After hours of negotiation with German officials, the terrorists and their hostages are flown in three helicopters to nearby Furstenfeldbruck airport where, shortly before midnight, five of the terrorists, all of the hostages, and a German policeman are killed during an exchange of gunfire. Three of the terrorists disappear.

Thursday, 7 September 1972
This is the date of the first known "Snow White" dispatch, titled "RE: US JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORY," purportedly from a Scientology Guardian Office (GO) official, implicating the Guardian Office in questionable or illegal acts again U.S. federal agencies—in this instance the Tax Division of the Justice Department, and the Treasury Department. [NOTE: This is the beginning of a series of events spanning several years that will result in federal charges against Mary Sue Hubbard and 7 top Scientology officials, resulting in jail sentences, the dismantling of the seniormost Scientology organization, and the restructuring of all of Scientology by Meade Emory—a former Assistant to Commissioner of IRS and an attorney connected with Lane Powell, the same firm that Douglas Caddy worked for.]

Friday, 15 September 1972
E. Howard Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy, James McCord, and the "Watergate burglars" (all CIA connected) are indicted by a federal grand jury. [NOTE: Alfred C. Baldwin is not charged. Note, too, that the grand jury avoided any and all address to allegations of "mishandled campaign funds."]

Tuesday, 19 September 1972
James McCord appears for arraignment before Judge Sirica. On the same date, Anthony "Tony" Ulasewicz flies from New York City to Washington, D. C. and leaves $53,000 for E. Howard Hunt's wife, Dorothy Hunt, in a Washington airport locker, then leaves $29,000 on a shelf in the lobby of a Howard Johnson's motel for someone to pick up. [NOTE: A memorandum from Dorothy Hunt dated 2 October 1972 claims that on this date she received $53,000 from E. Howard Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman—not from Anthony Ulasewicz through an airport drop point.]

Monday, 25 September 1972
An article in TIME magazine covering the Watergate indictments names Alfred C. Baldwin as having been involved, but not charged, claiming that Baldwin had "monitored and transcribed many of the Democrats' conversations" via "bugs" that purportedly had been planted in DNC headquarters in the Watergate over Memorial Day weekend. [NOTE: But there were no bugs at all through which Baldwin ever could have "monitored and transcribed" anything, proven beyond any rational doubt by two electronic sweeps of the premises. Baldwin's story was a complete fabrication, for which he was granted immunity, but one which all the CIA-connected perps ultimately "corroborated." Falsus in uno falsus in omnibus.]

Saturday, 30 September 1972
Richard Nixon signs an interim agreement on strategic arms limitations with the Soviet Union. On or about the same day, Acting Director of the FBI L. Patrick Gray purportedly takes the files that had been given to him by John Dean—purportedly from E. Howard Hunt's safe—out of his personal FBI office safe in Washington, D.C. to his home in Stonington, Connecticut, and puts them in a chest-of-drawers just outside his bedroom, "intending to burn them." [NOTE: This is one of at least three different stories Gray told about what became of the alleged partial "contents" of Hunt's safe. In another of his tales, he already had burned them by this time in his office.]

Sunday, 1 October 1972
The day after the strategic arms treaty with the Soviet Union—on a Sunday, no less—the CIA awards a top-secret contract to NSA's Hal Puthoff, a Scientology OT VII, to develop parapsychology for military intelligence purposes in conjunction with Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann. The contract is issued by CIA's Technical Services Division (TSD), the same CIA division that has run MKULTRA and the other CIA mind-control, brainwashing, drug, and psychiatric operations. The head of TSD is the club-footed Sidney Gottlieb—"Dr. LSD." [NOTE: This program will run for over 25 years in complete secrecy. Although over 95% of it is still classified, enough information has come to light since it was first revealed in 1995 to determine that it was a top priority program running throughout the remainder of the Cold War in total secrecy, first under CIA, later shuffled to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and subjected to other intelligence cult shell games. With typical "in your face" mockery, CIA changed TSD's name to Office of Technical Services—the acronym being OTS. Although this program has been peddled by CIA hacks as having been only concerned with "remote viewing," there is also circumstantial evidence that a primary interest of the CIA in using the Scientology OTs as the core of their program had a great deal to do with Ingo Swann's repeatable demonstrated success in remotely affecting material objects, such as the Varian Hall magnetometer and sealed thermistors.]

Monday, 2 October 1972
E. Howard Hunt's wife Dorothy sends a memo to Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman, titled "Accounting of Monies Received." According to her record, by this date she has received $88,000, and claims to have paid out $91,000—$3,000 coming from her "own funds." She adds, though: "You already have an accounting of the $53,500 received on September 19th." This makes a total of $141,500 received by her, according to her. [NOTE: Part of her accounting includes "$30,000 income replacement for Mr. Hunt and Mrs. Hunt."]

Tuesday, 3 October 1972
The strategic arms limitation treaty with the Soviet Union goes into effect.

Monday, 16 October 1972
A twin engine Cessna 310 carrying House Majority Leader Hale Boggs—Vice Chairman of the Democratic National Committee—and Congressman Nick Begich disappears during a flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska. [NOTE: Boggs had served on the Warren Commission, and earlier had been involved with getting John F. Kennedy to come to New Orleans in 1962, partially because of trade activity in Louisiana attributable to International House, whose director at the time was Clay Shaw. It later will be reported that prior to his disappearance Boggs had indicated (in some way, to someone, identity unknown) that he had "startling revelations" about Watergate and the Kennedy assassination.] On or about the same date, an unidentified person delivers $20,000-$25,000 cash to the office of E. Howard Hunt's attorney William O. Bittman, ostensibly from Fred LaRue.

Tuesday, 18 October 1972
At about 8:40 a.m. the Coast Guard in Long Beach, California receives a call from an informant saying that "a classified private electronics firm of which he had some knowledge or connection" had determined a location of the downed plane carrying Hale Boggs and three others. The Coast Guard contacts the FBI, and an FBI teletype is sent to Acting Director FBI L. Patrick Gray. It says that after the "first report was received" the "information concerning the location of the downed aircraft was checked with a larger unit [sic]," and that this anonymous "larger unit now discloses the downed aircraft" at a described location. The information immediately is furnished to the Coast Guard in Los Angeles. At 9:10 a.m. someone (name redacted, but apparently the original informant) "recontacted" the FBI Los Angeles office, saying, "Tracking equipment now being used is tracking the men and not the plane," suggesting that there were survivors and that they had left the plane. Sometime the same day the FBI interviews the informant. He declines to give the name of the classified firm where he works. The information is that around 7:15 the previous evening the unknown informant had received a call from "friends" who are "involved in working with highly sophisticated experimental electronic surveillance." [NOTE: There is no indication anywhere of who or what the mysterious "larger unit" is that was contacted by the FBI pursuant to the informant's tip, but which "larger unit" then gave the FBI a detailed description of a location for the downed plane. According to available records, neither the plane, nor any of its occupants, nor any scrap were ever found, despite The largest civilian and U.S. military search in history at the time, involving Coast Guard, Navy, and Air Force aircraft.]

Monday, 23 October 1972
An article in TIME magazine seeds a Daniel Ellsberg-Watergate connection, saying that "Bernard Barker, the former CIA agent who led the raiding party into the Watergate, recruited nine Cubans from Miami in May and assigned them to attack Daniel Ellsberg, the man who released the Pentagon Papers to the public." [NOTE: So typical to such CIA-Operation Mockingbird ops, this reference to Barker in relation to Ellsberg is not only to plant a seed of connection, but to sow many weeds of confusion around it. This story is an ambiguous reference to an operation involving Barker and "the Cuban contingent" brought to D.C. to disrupt a peace rally—not a reference to Barker having been involved in the Fielding break-in, about which nothing at all so far has been revealed.]

Wednesday, 1 c. November 1972
At or around the first of November, CIA's Technical Services Divsion (TSD) is transferred out of the Directorate for Operations into the Directorate for Science and Technology, and its name is changed to Office of Technical Services (OTS). With it is transferred the CIA's top-secret "remote viewing" program being run by Scientology OTs Puthoff and Swann. At around the same time Sidney Gottlieb retires, replace by John McMahon. It is during this period that Gottlieb, with CIA Director Richard Helms's collaboration, begins destroying CIA records, a great deal of them reportedly related to CIA's MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. [NOTE: Of course no one ever will know how much was made to disappear forever in the Helms/Gottlieb purge, or what it consisted of. By 2 February 1973, after the documents have been destroyed, Helms also will be gone from CIA, spiriting overseas into an ambassadorship in Iran.]

Tuesday, 7 November 1972
Ronald DeWolf (a.k.a. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., a.k.a. Nibs) records a video-taped interview retracting testimony he has given as a paid informant to IRS, and retracting all allegations he previously has made against his father, the founder of Scientology. He says his allegations had been made "vengefully." [NOTE: DeWolf later will retract his retraction, claiming duress, and will sue for control of the Hubbard estate, claiming that his missing father is likely dead. His suit will be used as a very public stage for employees of the FBI and BATF to "prove" with special inks and fingerprints that the missing Hubbard is "alive and well and in control of his affairs."]

Friday, 10 c. November 1972
On or around this date, Kima Douglas [a.k.a. Kima Dunleavey] and Fred Hare, representing themselves as executive officers of a "Scientology mission," fly to the Gold Coast in Africa [now Ghana] and set up a secretive corporation called "Religious Research Foundation" with bank accounts in Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. [NOTE: The whereabouts of Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard are unknown, and have been since Memorial Day weekend 1972. Years later, though, the creation of this corporation will be attributed to him in the suit by DeWolf, and subsequently used by United States Tax Court as part of adverse federal rulings that ultimately will put Scientology under control of IRS in a complex probate engineered by former Assistant to Commissioner of IRS Meade Emory, connected to the same law firm as Douglas Caddy.] On or around the same date, E. Howard Hunt telephones Charles Colson—who once again just happens to be ready to tape a Hunt phone call. Hunt says: "[T]his is a long haul thing and the stakes are very, very high and I thought that you would want to know that this thing must not break apart for foolish reasons... . We're protecting the guys who are really responsible...but at the same time, this is a two way street and as I said before, we think that now is the time when a move should be made and surely the cheapest commodity available is money." Colson gives a copy of the tape to John Dean.

Wednesday, 15 c. November 1972
On or around this date, CIA Director Richard Helms calls L. Patrick Gray's "number two man" (Mark Felt), purportedly saying that Helms is going to call Assistant Attorney General Peterson regarding the interview of CIA Deputy Director Karl Wagner to see if it "could not be conducted...be held off." On or about this date, John Dean is at Camp David and plays the Hunt/Colson tape (see 10 c. November 1972) for Ehrlichman and Haldeman, later for John Mitchell.

Sunday, 19 November 1972
On returning from the Gold Coast, the purported "Scientology missionaires" who have set up the Religious Research Foundation (Kima Douglas and Fred Hare) are "arrested" in Madrid, Spain on spurious "charges" concerning LSD and some chocolates. During a period of several days in jail, they are in private contact with U.S. DEA agents, including an agent named Weldon K. Curry, supposedly for "interrogation." In a few days all the allegations magically go away. [NOTE: The full story of this lunatic drama is a painfully transparent "cover" for these so-called Scientologists to be in secret contact with U.S. federal agents immediately after their operation to set up a phony financial corporation that later will be used by Ronald DeWolf and federal agencies and courts—all while the CIA is running a top-secret intelligence program entirely built on Scientology, secretly using U.S. intellegence personnel who have trained in the highest levels of Scientology, but without knowledge or approval of any Scientology official or organization.]

Monday, 20 November 1972
In Paris, Henry Kissinger starts a new round of peace talks with Le Duc Tho. Around the same time Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray is hospitalized with some unspecified illness.

Tuesday, 21 November 1972
The "Second Round of Strategic Arms Limitation Talks" with the Soviet Union begins in Geneva.

Friday, 1 December 1972
On or about this date another $40,000 cash is delivered to E. Howard Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman, "by messenger." On this date there is a meeting in Bittman's office attended by "the lawyers." [Apparently this refers to all lawyers involved in defending Watergate defendants: Gerald Alch for McCord; Peter Maroulis for Liddy; Rothblatt for Sturgis, Martinez, Gonzales, and Barker.] According to Alch, "The question arose as to whether the CIA was involved." One of the other lawyers suggests that all of the lawyers try to ascertain from their clients whether the CIA was involved—whether they had any knowledge that would implicate the CIA. Alch tells the other attorneys that his contemplated defense for McCord is to be based on "duress." The other attorneys feel this "will only be applicable to Mr. McCord in view of his being the Chief of Security." Immediately after the meeting, Alch and McCord then meet at the Monocle Restaurant, where Alch raises the question of McCord's background in the CIA, and asks if there is any substance to allegations of Watergate being a CIA operation. McCord does not "specifically respond to that question." Alch also brings up Victor Marchetti's book, asking if it could be a good reference relative to CIA training, including disavowing connection to CIA. McCord says it wouldn't be. According to McCord's testimony: "There followed from Mr. Alch a suggestion that I use as my defense during the trial the story that the Watergate operation was a CIA operation. I heard him out on the suggestion, which included questions as to whether I ostensibly could have been recalled from retirement from CIA to participate in the operation. He said that if so, my personnel records at CIA could be doctored to reflect such a recall. He stated that Schlesinger, the new Director of CIA, whose appointment had just been announced, could be subpoenaed and would go along with it." [NOTE: According to public records, Richard Helms is CIA Director through 2 February 1973, and Schlesinger doesn't take over until then. Alch dates this meeting at 1 December 1972, but also contradicts himself on the date by reference to another date in December supposedly given by McCord. Pending further confirmation or corroboration it is being put at this date as seeming most likely relative to other events.]

Sunday, 3 December 1972
The Scientology land base in Morocco is ordered by persons unknown to be immediately disestablished, purportedly because of word from Paris of an impending legal action by France. A massive operation is mounted to move material and personnel to Spain almost overnight. Hubbard is nowhere in evidence.

Monday, 4 December 1972
Scientology flagship Medical Officer Jim Dincalci and former Green Beret Paul Preston board a plane in Madrid, Spain bound for New York City. [NOTE: Later Dincalci will claim to have been fleeing Spain in the company of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard on this trip with Green Beret Preston, and that the three of them "hid out" in New York for ten months. This is the only accounting for the existence or whereabouts of Hubbard during these ten months, and there never has been any evidence to substantiate Dincalci's claims.] On the same day, Henry Kissinger's Paris Peace Talks resume.

Friday, 8 December 1972
The first of several bomb threats is received by the Scientology Guardian Office in New York City. It is reported to the FBI as likely having been the work of Paulette Cooper—a woman with a Masters Degree in psychology who had written a book critical of Scientology that had been released close to the same time as the Pentagon Papers in 1971, and who subsequently had been involved with Ronald DeWolf. On the same day, E. Howard Hunt's wife Dorothy Hunt boards United Airlines flight 533 bound for Chicago. Other passengers on the plane include a journalist working for CBS named Michelle Clark—who reportedly was working on a Watergate-related story, and whose boyfriend reportedly was "a CIA operative"—and Congressman George Collins, from Chicago. On approach near Midway Airport, the plane crashes into the home of Mrs. Veronica Kuculich at 3722 70th Place, killing her and her daughter, and 45 people on the plane, including Dorothy Hunt, Michelle Clark, and Congressman Collins. Dorothy Hunt reportedly has $10,585 in cash in her purse at the time of the crash (though some sources have quoted much higher figures).

Monday, 11 c. December 1972
On or around this date, James McCord meets with his attorney, Gerald Alch, in Boston and starts out the meeting saying he'll have no part of anything that's going to put the blame on the CIA.

Wednesday, 13 December 1972
The peace talks in Paris end amid reports that they have broken down over efforts to settle the postwar political status of South Vietnam.

Friday, 15 c. December 1972
Around this date in December, Jim Dincalci—in New York with former Green Beret Paul Preston—is making regular trips to the United Nations. [NOTE: The United Nations is where Ingo Swann had worked, and where George H.W. Bush is U.S. Ambassador.] Dincalci also is making trips around this time to an office building purportedly at 60 Wall Street (see NOTE following), and meeting with a person named Alfred Toombs. [NOTE: Alfred Toombs was the name of the person who was Army Intelligence Chief in April 1945. At the time, Allen Dulles had been head of U.S. intelligence in Switzerland, traveling to Germany around April or May 1945. As for "60 Wall Street," no record could be found of what might have been there in 1972, but 59 Wall Street is the address of Brown Brothers Harriman, whose history of connections with the Bush family and CIA is copiously recorded elsewhere.]

Monday, 18 c. December 1972
On or about this date Scientology OT VII Ingo Swann flies from New York to San Francisco to begin his top-secret work under CIA contract with fellow Scientology OT VII Hal Puthoff at Stanford Research Institute. Very shortly after arriving, Swann and Puthoff purportedly go to "a Christmas tree lot" in Mountain View, California, where they "just happen" to run into another Scientology OT named Pat Price. Supposedly, Puthoff had met Price "several years earlier" at a lecture in Los Angeles. [NOTE: Pat Price soon will become a key component of the top-secret CIA program with Puthoff and Swann. No explanation is offered for why Price, from Los Angeles, would have been "selling Christmas trees" in Mountain View, never mind just happening to be at the lot where Puthoff and Swann go to buy a tree. The story is insultingly ludicrous, but this is the only offered "explanation" for how three Scientology OTs wound up as the initial core of the CIA's black operation that ran for over 25 years. Price later will die in Las Vegas under suspicious circumstances.]

Thursday, 21 December 1972
Jame McCord writes a letter to Jack Caulfield—author of the original "Operation Sandwedge," under the auspices of which Tony Ulasewicz had set up the base in New York City. The letter says in pertinent part: "Jack: Sorry to have to write you this letter but felt you had to know. If Helms goes, and if the WG (Watergate) operation is laid at the CIA's feet, where it does not belong, every tree in the forest will fall. It will be a scorched desert. The whole matter is at the precipice right now. Just pass the message that if they want it to blow, they are on exactly the right course. I'm sorry that you will get hurt in the fallout." Caulfield replies—rather ambiguously: "I have worked with these people and I know them to be as tough-minded as you. Don't underestimate them." [NOTE: It is idiotically simple to interpret Caulfield's "these people" as referring to Nixon's "people." If you doubt it, research the number of idiots who have done exactly that.]

Wednesday, 27 c. December 1972
On or about this date, Acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray purportedly burns papers from E. Howard Hunt's safe "during Christmas week with the Christmas and household paper trash that had accumulated immediately following Christmas." To this point, claims Gray, he has never opened or looked at the files. But immediately before putting them in the fire—so he claims—he opens one of the files, which contain what "appear to be" Top Secret State Department cablegrams. He reads the first cable. Allegedly, it seems to implicate top officials of the Kennedy adminstration in the assassination of President Diem of South Vietnam. [NOTE: This is one of three entirely different stories Gray told about the purported "papers from Hunt's safe." Note, too, that in none of the stories of alleged "cables" is there any mention of names of any "officials of the Kennedy administration" supposedly "implicated." See separate thread in this forum on the fantasy "Diem cables."]

Sunday, 31 December 1972
E. Howard Hunt writes to Charles Colson, requesting that Colson meet with Hunt's attorney, William O. Bittman. Hunt says in part: "There is a limit to the endurance of any man trapped in a hostile situation and mine was reached on December 8th."

Wednesday, 3 January 1973
Daniel Ellsberg goes on trial, accused of theft and conspiracy in the disclosure of the Pentagon Papers. On the same day, the CIA's Anthony Goldin hand delivers to the Department of Justice Watergate prosecutors photocopies of 10 photos that E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy had taken of each other, using a CIA camera, at the office of Ellsberg psychiatrist Lewis J. Fielding. [NOTE: The Watergate prosecutors do not reveal these photos to the Ellsberg court until months later, at what turns out to be an extremely dramatic time in the Ellsberg trial, and in conjunction with the Congressional Watergate hearings. The "reasons" proffered for so withholding crucial CIA-supplied "evidence" are too ridiculous to waste good alphabet letters on here. There also is considerable circumstantial evidence that psychiatrist Fielding had been on CIA payroll at relevant times.]

Ashton Gray

Miles Scull posed the following questions for me in another thread where this subject arose. I created this topic and am copying his questions here where I feel it would be more appropriate and on-topic to continue this discussion:



First, let me say that for the timeline I posted in the first message in this thread, I relied a good deal on a webbed timeline that can be found here: Remote Viewing Timeline. I recommend a thorough study of it to anyone, because it is fully cited with over 120 references. I owe a debt of gratitude to those who invested so much work and study in making these extraordiary facts broadly known.

To your questions:

The best reference I know of that supplies what I consider to be an answer to that question is the excerpt from the Defense Intelligence Agency's then-secret "Controlled Offensive Behavior" publication of July 1971 (cited in the timline). It bears repeating here (emphasis added):

"The Soviet Union is well aware of the benefits and applications of parapsychology research. The term parapsychology denotes a multi-disciplinary field consisting of the sciences of bionics, biophysics, psychophysics, psychology, physiology and neuropsychology. Many scientists, U.S. and Soviet, feel that parapsychology can be harnessed to create conditions where one can alter or manipulate the minds of others. The major impetus behind the Soviet drive to harness the possible capabilities of telepathic communication, telekinetic and bionics are said to come from the Soviet military and the KGB [Committee of State Security; Secret Police]. ...Soviet knowledge in this field is superior to that of the U.S. ...The potential applications of focusing mental influences on an enemy through hypnotic telepathy have surely occurred to the Soviets... . Control and manipulation of the human consciousness must be considered a primary goal. ...Soviet efforts in the field of psi research, sooner or later, might enable them to do some of the following: ( a ) Know the contents of top secret US documents, the movements of our troops and ships and the location and nature of our military installations ( b ) Mould the thoughts of key US military and civilian leaders at a distance ( c ) Cause the instant death of any US official at a distance ( d ) Disable, at a distance, US military equipment of all types, including spacecraft."

Given even a moderate understanding of the intensity of the Cold War at the time, it seems clear that the United States intelligence community felt it was losing the race in these areas to the Soviets, and it also seems clear that their assessment was that this was the next battleground in the Cold War—and in military intelligence development in general.



My opinion, from my study of the documents and facts, is that it was the inevitable culmination, at the time, of the CIA's long-running mind control programs. MK-ULTRA is said to have been the brain child of Richard Helms himself. Helms was DCI when the remote viewing program was created. In 1972 Sidney Gottlieb, under Helms, headed the CIA department where MK-ULTRA had spawned and developed. Gottlieb approved the CIA remote viewing contracts in 1972. Helms and Gottlieb are the two who destroyed relevant records at the end of 1972-beginning of 1973. It all goes in a very straight line. There's very little room to consider it anything other than part of, or a logical (I use the word advisedly) extension of the mind control efforts.

Several years ago, a prominent actor in the later years of CIA's remote viewing program said that over 95% of it remains classified. That makes it pretty difficult for me even to try to answer that question meaningfully. The CIA had one of their pet think-tanks, AiR, issue a white-wash report saying, essentially: "Oh, you know, it was all a big mistake and really didn't do anything at all, and was pretty useless." The full report is easily available by a Google search. Inspected closely, it reveals that AiR was provided an extremely narrow set of information (some part of that 5% CIA wanted to at least partially declassify, apparently). The "findings" are a usual CIA PR issue to make people shut up and go away.

The only people who ever could answer your question are in CIA, and they ain't talking.



There is no evidence of record anywhere, that I know of, that any senior Scientology official ever knew what CIA, Puthoff, Swann, and Price were doing. There is copious evidence in the Remote Viewing Timeline that Scientology's Guardian Office suspected a great deal, because they filed quite a lot of FOIA suits against CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI, Naval Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Department of the Treasury, and a host of related government agencies and individuals. By my reading, every suit they filed was thrown out—at least part of the reason each time being "national security."

No one that I know of, to this date, has any knowledge of why "national security" grounds would be used by the government to hide its records related to Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.

Furthermore, there is circumstantial evidence in the timelines that suggests the possibility that Hubbard himself was abducted in Morocco on or about Memorial Day weekend 1972, and possibly assassinated. This happens to be the same weekend that Hunt, Liddy, McCord, Baldwin, and the "Cuban contingent" purportedly were engaged in a so-called "first break-in" at the Watergate the entire weekend, with at least two purported failed attempts, including the infamous "Ameritas dinner." This, of course, assures us that none of those parties could have been involved in any Hubbard-related shenanigans in Morocco that weekend, because of course everybody knows they were very busy that entire weekend trying to break into DNC headquarters at the Watergate to take photos and plant bugs.

Then again, there's a bit of a wrinkle in that, too: There was no "first break-in" at the Watergate.

It's a condundrum, innit?

Ashton

Hi Ashton,

Sorry for disrupting the topic.

Could you let me know when your PM box is less full, please?

Thanks

Gary

Oh, dear: my horrible housekeeping has been exposed to the whole world.

I have cleaned the beggar out now to the last cobweb. (There came a time not long ago when every message I received would come with an evil twin, and given all the duplicates I was getting, I finally abandoned the accursed thing altogether. Having found new purpose for cleaning it out, I will try to be a good steward again.)

Ashton

Indeed it is; and an arresting one, to be sure. Thanks for taking the time here to throw light on it. The research continues, the spoor is fresh.

This, of course, is a crushing indictment of the CIA in the tradition of Philip Agee & others of his elk.

I note: " Mr. Ashton Gray, who entered membership only recently...did so with a hidden agenda. No one can know what is in his mind, but his actions do meet the signs of an Infiltrator, Saboteur and Fifth-Columnist...—Douglas Caddy "

Ashton Grey seems to have touched a sore nerve... Hidden agenda? If his agenda is to expose the CIA, then what is hidden? The agenda is to bring to light what is hidden, isn't it? Is there something hidden within the hidden which hides behind the hidden? Thanks again.

I've found myself wandering and pondering along the same circular path.

Not for long, though.

Really, there's no better response I can make to the Caddy cryptosmear than what Lewis Carroll already so richly supplied us all with:

"I quite agree with you," said the Duchess; "and the moral of that is: 'Be what you would seem to be.' Or, if you'd like it put more simply: 'Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'"

My pleasure. When I get back from this trip next week, there's more that I will add. I'll try to check in at least once a day in the meantime.

Ashton

From "Editor and Publisher" today:

"After cross-examination, it became clear that another Post reporter, Bob Woodward, would be next. But first the lawyers argued about a tape of Woodward's interview with State Department official Richard Armitage being played. Woodward has said he learned about Plame from Armitage.

Woodward took the stand just after 11 a.m. and the first questions concerned his conversaton with Libby on June 27, 2003. But Woodward said he had first heard about the Wilson/Plame connection on June 13 from Armitage. A tape of their conversation was then played, in which Armitage says Plame is a CIA analyst but not the chief of the counter-proliferation program."

Conversation with Liddy? Oops, that's Libby. But I think I'm onto something...Scooter Libby shows up in Deep Throat's Social Network Diagram!

Bob Woodward is Christ to Bernard Fensterwald's St. John.

JG

Mr. Gray, at the expense of being cast in the role of a distractinmg and disrupting influence, I do have a question for you.

Do you have a considered view why (if indeed I have read you aright) occult discussions relating to RV and RI (etc) are a distraction/disruption and are thus invalid?

Would you not consider that occult techniques exactly duplicate those identified by you as RV/RI, are far older and might it not be the case that the CIA techniques learned from Swann, Putoff and others actually derived from occult studies these gentlemen had been coached in?

My personal viewpoint is that the occult angle to many matters has been badly overlooked because the subject is generally viewed as being too complex and kooky.

David

Perhaps Mr. Gray hasn’t visited recently or seen my above post. Either way it is a pity he hasn’t answered the questions I posed.

His “Remote Viewing Timeline” (of which only a portion was posted here – for the full timeline see: http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/rvtimeline/index.html) is of interest to me for the insights it brings about Scientology and their connections with the CIA. Until I read this document I remained unaware that Hal Putoff and others well known in the RV community were Scientologists themselves. This has clarified matters considerably for me.

I am now firmly of the view that L Ron Hubbard’s creation of Scientology, and all the wacky words he introduced to the techniques he taught derived entirely from his knowledge and training in the occult. If we are to believe Peter Levenda in his book “Sinister Forces – A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft (Book One: The Nine)”, then Hubbard was a magical initiate of Jack Parsons who, besides being regarded as one of the grand-daddy’s of American rocketry, was a high-level occultist and leader of the Agape Lodge of the Ordo Templis Orientis headquartered in Pasadena (where Parsons beloved NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (aka Jack Pasons Laboratory) was located. Pasadena, it might be remembered, was where Sirhan Sirhan once visited and returned with an unusual albeit burning interest in the occult.

Parson and Hubbard worked occult rituals together in the Agape Lodge, including the 1946 “Babylon Working” where the Scarlet Woman (the consort of the Great Beast of the Apocalypse) was “invoked”.

The fact that the CIA then secretly hired Putoff to train personnel in his arguably Satanic techniques, speaks volumes (see: http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/documen...acontract.html). Levenda also reveals that David Ferrie was part of this occult milieu. And is it just coincidence that another leading JFK figure, Guy Bannister also enters this otherworldly world as back in his FBI days, he was involved in SM-X matters (i.e., Security Matters – X), the original FBI “X Files”? Curiously, another UFO buff, Fred Crisman – a former OSS officer and later a CIA officer – would also be connected to the JFK assassination. As was his friend, Clay Shaw.

While I am not trying to build a “unified field theory” of conspiracy theories, I do think these connections and relationships deserve a great deal more attention than they have received hitherto. Especially the occult connections that remain under-researched and which, in my limited experience and research effort, lead to a dizzying array of topics that are usually considered oddball. Whether this is because these topics really are oddball or because they are purposefully dressed thus to suit subtle disinformation goals, I don’t know.

But I do suspect it is the latter. Making subjects “off-topic” for serious researchers who need to protect their reputations, seems to me to be an excellent strategy for smothering important trails.

David Guyatt

PS, perhaps we should rename this thread “CIA’s Remote Viewing Programme and Watergate – and JFK Assassination”

First, Mr. Guyatt, allow me to apologize for being tardy in my reply. As I've explained elsewhere, I have been intensely involved in meeting extreme deadlines for two books I was commissioned to write, and I simply could not give due attention to meaningful participation in the forum until they were finished.



If you would be kind enough to quote what I said that you are taking issue with, then we both can see if you have read me right, and proceed from there.



1) Your major premise, "occult techniques exactly duplicate those identified...as RV/RI," is without foundation and fatally flawed. The closest thing ever even mentioned in occult or paranormal literature is "astral walking," and it's about as close to RV as grits are to gravel.

2) The idea that CIA would use three highly-trained Scientologists (Swann, Puthoff, and Pat Price) as the utter core of their RV program, not because they were Scientologists, but because of some vague other, older "occult studies these gentlement had been coached in" (for which, by the way, there is not a scent or scintilla of evidence) is too frivolous to entertain.

Ashton

There is considerable evidence to support an entirely different view: that Hubbard in fact was on mission for Naval Intelligence in August 1945 when he went to the home of Jack Parsons for the first time, and that his further involvement with Parsons was a clandestine Naval Intelligence operation to undermine Parsons' Peculiar Preternatural Pasadena Party because of the sensitivity of information that Parsons was and had been privy to.

In support of that, I can document for you that Hubbard had been in Naval Intelligence during the War, and I further can document that Hubbard was not officially and finally mustered out of the Navy until 1950, and I further can document that Naval Intelligence attempted to order Hubbard back to active duty in 1950 in order to seize control of Dianetics.

And what was the outcome of the brief Hubbard association with Parsons? Within less than a year, Parsons was ruined, had pursued his girlfriend, Sara Northrup, and Hubbard all the way across the country, had lost thousands of dollars, had lost his girl friend, and had lost a schooner in the bargain. Sounds like a damned successful U.S. intelligence operation to me.

Of course, the "official story" is that Hubbard was a bad, bad boy, up to his eyeballs in "black magic," and that's all Scientology really is, and yadda-yadda-yadda. And I see you're here flogging it hard.

Why?

Ashton

Ashton, it's a pleasure to read your posts again. I trust you are well.

I always enjoyed the lively discussions that you were involved in.

Welcome back Ashton. I hope your book endeavours went well.

Are you now free to participate fully again? With Robert Charles-Dunne's return, along with David Guyatt and yourself (amongst many others) I look forward to learning a lot from you all.

It seem's Mr Hogan has beaten me to the punch...

Hi, Michael. Nice to be back and to see you again as well.

And hi, Gary. I didn't realize Robert Charles-Dunne has been away, too. (Next some people may start speculating whether we have ever been seen together. Of course, I use the term "people" only in the loosest, most catholic sense.)

As for being able to "participate fully," I'm sure some might argue that I am constitutionally incapable of participating fully, but I will be contributing as much as I'm able. I still am on deadlines, but they aren't quite as remorseless as the ones I lately have unyoked myself from.

Ashton

QUOTE(Ashton Gray @ Sep 16 2007, 08:58 PM)

Hi, Michael. Nice to be back and to see you again as well.

And hi, Gary. I didn't realize Robert Charles-Dunne has been away, too. (Next some people may start speculating whether we have ever been seen together. Of course, I use the term "people" only in the loosest, most catholic sense.)

As for being able to "participate fully," I'm sure some might argue that I am constitutionally incapable of participating fully, but I will be contributing as much as I'm able. I still am on deadlines, but they aren't quite as remorseless as the ones I lately have unyoked myself from.

Ashton

Great to have you back Ash. Was beginning to thingk you'd jumped ship. I look very forward to more on the Clement Stone thread.

Will your Watergate book by chance be available electronically?

"Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back"!

Dawn

Oddly [or perhaps not], I had been wondering something similar. Given Charles Drago's appearance here during your absence, and the similar pithy wit and style of both posters, I was about to begin searching for a photo of the two of you together. [Perhaps I am a "people" person after all....]

But I see you two are corresponding with each other here, so I'm working on an alternate hypothesis.

Welcome back.

Easy, Robert.

The last thing I need is for John Armstrong to start researching my family tree.

He's likely to find that I still live in it.

And since my middle name is Robert, and my initials are CRD ...

Easy, John.

Coincidences happen.

A Friend (or Two)

Good to meet you at last, Mr. Gray.

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Would you not consider that occult techniques exactly duplicate those identified by you as RV/RI, are far older and might it not be the case that the CIA techniques learned from Swann, Putoff and others actually derived from occult studies these gentlemen had been coached in?

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1) Your major premise, "occult techniques exactly duplicate those identified...as RV/RI," is without foundation and fatally flawed. The closest thing ever even mentioned in occult or paranormal literature is "astral walking," and it's about as close to RV as grits are to gravel.

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Firstly, I would mention that I posed a question to you rather than presented a “major premise”. Hence my paragraph began with the words” “Would you not consider that” and then continued with: “occult techniques exactly duplicate those identified...as RV/RI” finally closing with a question mark.

I posed this question in order to more fully understand your viewpoint.

But onwards.

Could you elucidate what it is that you know about so-called “astral walking” that convinces you that the differences between these two systems are “as grits are to gravel”? Have you, for example, been “astral walking”? Have you studied Jung’s work on the Collective Unconscious and his system of “Active Imagination”? Have you personally engaged in RV/RI? What is the extent of your knowledge of esoteric/occult techniques and meanings?

That’s five questions. Sorry to bombard you.

To further elucidate my above question (since it is a complex subject), my thinking here is not in terms of the precise techniques used by either (as it seems that the modus operandi is varied and quite pliable), but is rather more directed to the results gained --- and thus the accessibility (more or less) to the same time (less) medium used to gain it.

The assumption here is that it is largely unimportant what actual technique is adopted for use ( as there appear to be very many the world over), but all seem to access the same medium or repository for their answers. For the sake of providing a usable term, Jung named this the “Collective Unconscious”.

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2) The idea that CIA would use three highly-trained Scientologists (Swann, Puthoff, and Pat Price) as the utter core of their RV program, not because they were Scientologists, but because of some vague other, older "occult studies these gentlemen had been coached in" (for which, by the way, there is not a scent or scintilla of evidence) is too frivolous to entertain.

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‘Fraid I’m entertaining it never-the-less. Time will tell whether it's a frivolous or frutiless endeavour.

My immediate focus is this time line: Parsons was an adept of the German occult school, OTO, having been chosen by Crowley to head the Agape Lodge in 1942. Parsons and Hubbard engaged in occult rituals in 1946. Hubbard established his basic principles of Scientology in 1952. Hubbard founded of the Church of Scientology in 1953. Esoteric schools are, by definition, applied religious philosophies, as is Scientology - to coin Hubbard’s descriptive words. (I’ve extracted the last two dates from the Wikipedia entry on Scientology, so please correct me if they are incorrect).

The scintilla of evidence is to be more accurate a matrix of connections. These seem to me to be the direct connections between known occultist Jack Parsons, known Jack Parsons occult associate, Ron Hubbard (or pretend occultist in your view – albeit that he must have had some knowledge to fool Parsons who we assume was no fool), and Ron Hubbard and Scientology and Scientology and Swann, Puthoff and Pat Price --- “three highly-trained Scientoligists.”

I note this entry in Wikipedia:

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In formulating Scientology, Hubbard appears to have drawn liberally from a wide variety of pre-existing ideas, though he provided little specific citation of, or commentary on, his sources. The Church of Scientology presents Hubbard's work as completely original, reflected in the fact that Scientologists refer to Hubbard himself as "Source."

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What is Hubbard’s “Source” of belief for becoming Scientology’s “Source” I wonder? Do you know?

I am most interested about your evidence that Hubbard was with ONI. I had heard this stated as opinion but have seen no evidence in support of it. Would you be kind enough to offer such evidence if it is available? I am happy to proceed privately under terms of strict confidentiality, if doing so publicly creates difficulties for you. Again, my interest is genuine in nature and nothing more than seeking to understand these complexities more deeply.

I have an interest in Parsons and numerous former OSS officers he was close to, many of whom had occult interests. My hypothesis is that these occult connections may connect back to Nazi occult philosophy on the one hand. On the other hand, well, they go back a lot further than that.

It is often overlooked that a major symbol for the Knights Templar was the human skull known as Baphomet, whereas the SS wore the insignia of the death’s head -- a human skull. OTO claims to be a German based Templar continuation. On human skulls, I also note Shakespeare’s “Yorick” from his play Hamlet.

Rosicrucians don’t you love them…

David

A few months ago I received an email from a member who claimed Robert Charles-Dunne and Ashton Gray was the same man.

Hi, Dawn, and thanks for the warm welcome back(s).

Yes, the book will be available as an eBook.

Ashton

The pleasure is mutual, low sweeping bows and genuflections, etc. Now let's get down to cases.




And I trust that now you do.



Bombard away. I'll answer as I see fit.

There is nothing to be served by some long dissertation on "astral walking" (or "astral projection") here since the literature and internet are full of it for anyone seriously interested enough in the subject to pursue it in depth. What is most pertinent to this discussion is that "astral walking" always has been considered, even by its most ardent proponents, as more or less a hit-and-miss proposition, with the experiencer often at complete effect of the phenomenon: as much a spectator as a participant. Then there is a great deal of folderol about a silver cord and other bric-a-brac that needs no further bloviating here.

By contrast, Hubbard posited complete knowing control by the spiritual being (called in the texts the "thetan," after the Greek symbol for "thought") in stably operating entirely exterior to a physical body, with complete knowing perception (in 52 perceptics) and even ability to affect the material universe while operating exterior, and purported to provide very specific techniques by which any person could gain these abilities. The courses/levels in which these techniques were disclosed and used were (are) called the "Operating Thetan (OT) Levels."

In fact, according to recent research I've been doing, at the time the CIA issued the secret contract to use Scientology OTs Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price, there was a chart that had been issued by Hubbard that very unequivocally stated the promised "States Attained" for all Scientology levels. The "state attained" for OT Level VI was:

Ability to operate freely as a thetan exterior and to act pan-determinedly; extends the influence of the thetan to the universe of others.

There hardly could be a more precise statement of exactly what CIA was attempting to "develop" when they hired three Scientologists--every one of them having attained the level of OT VI. Isn't that a sweet coincidence?

So, as I said: RV is about as close to "astral walking" as grits are to gravel.

I've studied Jung in depth. He is a babbling loon.

My own spiritual experiences are not your province.



Entertain it all you want. Do it without engaging me, though.



Document it or retract it. And I happen to know that you have no option but to retract it, since what you're trotting out here is nothing but a lurid anecdotal claim of a homosexual ritual--eighth degree ritual of the Ordo Templi Orientiis--the validity of which anecdotal claim isn't worthy of the yellowest gossip rag that ever infected a printing press. I don't come to these forums to foment fishwife gossip.

It also has absolutely zero to do with the Scientology OT Levels that were in place in 1972 when the CIA contracted three Scientology OTs to "develop" a means for out-of-body perception--the exact abilities that the Scientology OT Levels that each of the three had of late done promised to deliver.

It also has zero to do with the fact that Puthoff was NSA before he went into Scientology, got the OT Levels, then entered into a secret contract with CIA to "develop" the exact same thing he had just studied in Scientology.

That's the topic at issue.



Codswollop. The primary principles were set forth in a work called "Excalibur" in 1939.



Well, if I wondered any such thing, I'd go to the source materials and read it and find out--not to Operation Mockingbird's "Wikipedia" <SPIT!>

So what I wonder is how much you really want the answer to that question.

Meanwhile, here's a very specific question for you: what would it take to get you back on topic?



We'll keep it in the forum. I don't play the "strict confidentiality" game. All data I have in my possession is broadly distributed as soon as I get it as a matter of stringent and inviolable policy.

Here is one record of Hubbard's service as an intelligence officer, from his personnel record:

SHIPS AND STATIONS
Office of the Naval Attaché
American Legation,
Melbourne, Australia

PERIODS
18 DEC 41-02 APR 42

DUTIES
Intelligence Officer

He also was an intelligence officer at the Office of Cable Censor in New York from the beginning of May 1942 until 24 June 1942--which happens to be an interesting time period relative to certain charges and seizures related to a Nazi banking scheme in the United States in 1942. But all that is for another time and place...



Of course it is. Who could doubt you.

The point of the thread, though, lest we forget, is that the CIA, in great secrecy, hired three Scientology OTs beginning on 1 October 1972 to develop a secret program for them that was an exact carbon copy of the clearly stated abilities of the Scientology OT Levels.

Even Crowley himself couldn't conjure that fact away.

Ashton

Thank you Mr. Gray.

What an interesting Banzai gentleman you are. I think we’ll get along fine.

Let’s tango!:

By my count, when reading your response, four out of five questions I posed you’ve failed to properly address. You’ve declined to answer these, you say, because you’ve elected to treat them as personal spiritual matters (the subject of Scientology apparently not being “spiritual” as you’re more than happy to discuss that at length). Have you ever read “Double Standards” btw?

I have absolutely zero interest in intruding into your spiritual state. Believe me. But the questions were really directed at discovering the extent of what you actually know versus the extent of what you actually say you know. I harbour the suspicion that you realised this was my purpose and thus ducked answering. A tidy trick, but older and more chewed than a dog’s biscuit.

Since it is my right to make assumptions (and I’d do it anyway), I have elected to assume that the three questions I posed, which you decline to respond to (the word “answer” being inappropriate in this case) were, “no” - I’ve not been astral walking, “no” – I’ve not studied Jung’s system of Active Imagination, and “no” I’ve not personally engaged in RV/RI.

And what little you do appear to know about astral walking is entirely gained, it seems, from the internet. In other words another ciphered “no”

And your familiarity with Jung’s work - that you’ve studied “in depth” (I wasn’t aware they’d serialised it in comics) clearly swept right over you’re the top of your head. Perhaps you were bending down inspecting your nether regions at the time? Perhaps this is your habitual position of repose?

So it totals zero answers out of five questions.

Not really a confidence booster for someone professing knowledge and writing on these subjects is it. But I like your style anyway.

On Parsons and Hubbard engaging in an occult ritual, I believe I already cited the source. But I’ll cite it again for the slow witted: Peter Levenda’s Sinister Forces – Book One. But you’d hate reading him, as he sometimes allows fact to spoil his work.

The OTO homosexual degree is the XI degree, not the VIIIth. And while I am bolstered in the knowledge that you don’t like to engage in fishwife’s gossip, I note that even they, from time to time, get their facts right.

Whether or not an early Occult-Hubbard axis has anything to do with later Scientological techniques used in CIA contracted OOB activity remains to be seen. Claiming, as you do, that it has “absolutely zero” to do with this, merely seems to demonstrate the degree of your hermetically sealed mind on the matter.

And since I am now fortunate to have your permission to entertain thoughts other than your own, then I believe I mostly will – although it’s bound to be a struggle. And don’t worry, I promise to try to keep any facts I come across at a distance from you. Don’t want to go spoiling your day, eh.

When I remove your defensive bombast from all that you say (and there’s a lot of it, as you know), you actually do not appear to say very much at all. Which speaks volumes.

Regarding the origin of Hubbard’s “Source” of Scientology. I was interested to learn that he wrote a “philosophic” manuscript called “Excalibur” and thank you for that fragment. However, it appears he wrote this in 1938, not 1939 as you state [http://lron.hubbard.org/pg006.html ]. Facts are such slippery things, don’t you find… I‘m sure you do. All the time.

Had you but taken the time to read even the comic version of Jung’s work, rather than just scan the pictures, blow bubble-gum and squeeze the chicken, I think the significance of the title “Excalibur” would not have escaped even you. On the other hand maybe it would. Jung, of course, wrote extensively on “philosophers”. But let’s not allow that intrusive fact to intrude into your world, eh. Don’t want to spoil the subliminal experience of your daily nether-region-spotting Yoga sutra do we.

On the ONI issue, you still have to demonstrate that Hubbard actually was working on behalf of the ONI in regard to his occult association with Parsons. Sorry to ask you to do this, but thus far your fact checking hasn’t been very convincing, has it. And since it is your avowed aim to furnish this material to all we lucky souls present on this forum, then please provide all the necessary citations -- and a detailed explication if you have one available.

Meanwhile, relying on ordinary academic protocols in an educational forum, it remains quite reasonable to [again] pose the question: where did Hubbard gain his apparent esoteric knowledge? Did it jump out of the aether and bite him in the ass, or was it transmitted to him from others, and if so, who were they.

Clearly, you don’t know.



David

I'm less sanguine about the prospects.

You have the extraordinarily peculiar notion that I have some obligation to follow you off down every off-topic, irrelevant trail and rabbit hole you twitch and dance toward, as though this were a drunken Rhumba line you were personally leading. Such self-serving casuistry always is embarrassing to watch, but it's also going to continue to make you a very frustrated boy.



And here I thought you favored the Rhumba. Thanks, but you go ahead and continue to strut and pose all over the landscape by yourself. You're doing a fine job of it.



I'm very grateful for this stipulation. It is generous of you. It establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you cannot distinguish a rumor source from a mere rumor monger. Here's a hint—for the slow witted, doncha' know: Levenda is not the rumor source. Somehow, I just know you can figure the rest out from there. Please don't let me down. (For bonus points, see if you also can figure out which one you are in this instance—rumor source, or mere rumor monger. I know you can do it. You're free to get help from friends or relatives.)

Meanwhile, I'll continue to ignore in vast wholesale boatloads your off-topic irrelevancies. In your entire off-topic tirade, you only managed to touch on a few points that could be considered even vaguely relevant to this topic—and the relevance even of those few points is vague indeed.



Yes, facts are slippery things—which is why I check them, unlike you and whoever is responsible for the page at the link you posted, which falsely claims that Hubbard wrote Excalibur "during the first weeks of 1938."

According to the author of the work himself (emphasis added):

"The Axioms were basically written on a summary of information which began in November of 1938. And the basic Axioms of Dianetics were written at that time. It's interesting that the material at that time was called Scientology. It appeared in an unpublished manuscript called 'Excalibur.'" —L. Ron Hubbard taped lecture of 10 November 1952, "Introduction: the Q List and Beginning of Logics"

Given that the work, also according to Hubbard himself, was approximately 125,000 words, and based on other ancillary evidence, it is my good faith and perfectly reasonable belief that the work, begun in November 1938—not in "the first weeks of 1938"—was in fact completed during the first weeks of 1939.

But please don't let any of this rip away your security blanket of superiority. By all means, accept the 1938 date, embrace it, propagate it. I even will stipulate it, while letting others do the math themselves with these facts and draw their own conclusion.

And I even deeply appreciate your own stipulation that Hubbard had the principles laid down as early as 1938. See what a fair-minded guy I am at heart?



Ummm, David: just between us girls—your slip is showing. The record is still sitting just a few messages back in this thread that the only thing you asked me to do was document that Hubbard had been in Naval Intelligence. I did. Now you're trying to move the goal-posts. {Tcht!} I would have thought such petty, sulking sophistry beneath you, Dave.

Also, just for the record (and make yourself a little Post-It note to stick on the end of your nose for this one): I don't "have to" do a damn thing. You don't dictate what I do. In fact, you might ought to bypass the Post-It note, and get that one tatooed on your forearm.

Meanwhile, here is precisely what I said I could and would do—which you, as night follows day, have tried to twist into something else:



Now, I've already done "document for you that Hubbard had been in Naval Intelligence during the War."

As for "Hubbard was not officially and finally mustered out of the Navy until 1950," as well as "Naval Intelligence attempted to order Hubbard back to active duty in 1950," read 'em and weep:

"You know, I resigned from the United States Navy in 1950 when they tried to pull me in and put me to work on the subject of research in the human mind...in 1950 they tried to kidnap me. They told me that I would be returned to active service to do this research if I did not return to do so as—in a civilian capacity at high pay... . I'm supposed to soft-pedal this. I'm not supposed to say anything about the Bureau of Naval Intelligence. ...I was once an officer of the Bureau of Naval Intelligence and of course, they have my full record. So every time anybody tries to clobber one of our organizations with being a Red organization or communist associated or something like that, it runs through the files and runs into this fact." —L. Ron Hubbard taped lecture of 26 May 1961 "On Auditing"

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"You're probably not aware of the fact that before the incorporation papers of the HDRF [Hubbard Dianetics Research Foundation] were filed in 1950, the Office of Naval Intelligence right here in Washington, DC, threatened to call me to active duty to use what I knew about the mind.

"...A very amusing story connected with that attempt to seize Dianetics, a very amusing story from my standpoint anyway. Months and months and months before I had decided that the Navy and I had come to a crossroads and I had requested permission from the secretary of the Navy to resign my commission—my commission had been hanging fire since the end of World War II—and he had granted permission. Now, that's the lengthiest amount of time consumed, trying to get a letter into a government office and get an answer to it. See, that's pretty long. And I already had that.

"So this fellow, this officer from the Office of Naval Research, came to see me right here in Washington and he wanted me to go on as a civilian employee in order to use what I knew of the mind to make men more suggestible. And I smiled a feline smile. And I said, "No." And he smiled like something out of Faust, and he said to me, "Well, all you have to do is say 'No' and I will call you back to active duty because you still are an officer of the United States Navy." And with that purr he exited.

"So I dived into my briefcase and pulled forth the secretary's permission. I dashed down here and found out there was actually a naval command in this area—it's called the Potomac River Naval Command, I don't know what they run. Once I think they tried to run the battleship Missouri. But there it sat down there, and it had an admiral in charge of it and everything, and I found out that my papers were resident in two places. People thought I belonged in Washington, in Washington, and people in New York thought I belonged in New York, and I had two sets of papers. This admiral that had come to see me thought I was totally out of New York. So I went down here to the Washington Navy Yard, the Potomac River Naval Command, and I got my resignation accepted.

"And Thursday the admiral came back to see me, and he says, "Well?" And I said, "Well?" Fastest resignation on record. There wasn't anything he could do about it then. And I went back up to Elizabeth, New Jersey and the HDRF, the first research foundation, was formed, and we went happily on our way just throwing it all over the place." —L. Ron Hubbard taped lecture, "How We Have Addressed the Problem of the Mind"