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Thomas Graves
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered, T-shirt wearing Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop, Roscoe White, when all three of them were in the USMC. I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was Sague ("Saul"), instead, but do we know what he looksed like? I don't think it was Yuri Moskarev for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Ferrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I personally don't see much similarity. Now, to play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev couldn't have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water, IMO. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas

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Kathleen Collins
QUOTE (Thomas Graves @ Feb 19 2007, 05:27 AM) *
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop (what was his name?). I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was Sague ("Saul"), instead. I don't think it was Yuri Moskarev for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Farrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I personally don't see much similarity. Now, to play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev couldn't have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water, IMO. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas

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Thomas, there's a Donald O. Norton who supposedly said he was Lee Oswald -- but he's a redhead. John Armstrong has a wealth of info about him, but he won't publish it. Also there's a Ralph Geb who supposedly impersonated Oswald. Do you know anything about them? Please go to: thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com
Starting in Feb or March of 2006, there is some research about both men. I'd like your opinion.

Kathy
James Richards
Thomas,

Is is certainly not Moskalev. (see below)

James
Thomas Graves
QUOTE (Kathleen Collins @ Feb 19 2007, 05:02 AM) *
QUOTE (Thomas Graves @ Feb 19 2007, 05:27 AM) *
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop (what was his name?). I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was Sague ("Saul"), instead. I don't think it was Yuri Moskarev for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Farrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I personally don't see much similarity. Now, to play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev couldn't have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water, IMO. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas

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Thomas, there's a Donald O. Norton who supposedly said he was Lee Oswald -- but he's a redhead. John Armstrong has a wealth of info about him, but he won't publish it. Also there's a Ralph Geb who supposedly impersonated Oswald. Do you know anything about them? Please go to: thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com
Starting in Feb or March of 2006, there is some research about both men. I'd like your opinion.

Kathy


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Hi Kathy,

When time permits, I'll look into both Norton and Geb. Both names sound familiar in this context. Thank you for being polite and personal...

Thank God someone wants my opinion. (LOL)

--Thomas

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Thomas Graves
QUOTE (James Richards @ Feb 19 2007, 05:08 AM) *
Thomas,

Is is certainly not Moskalev. (see below)

James


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Hi James,

Thanks for posting the photo of Moskarev. It's the same one I saw on the Mary Ferrell website which led me to the conclusion that he wasn't the M.C.M.M. ...

--Thomas

FWIW In Czech, "moucha" (pronounced moska) means "fly" (as in the insect), so maybe that's what it means in Russian...

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Thomas Graves
QUOTE (Thomas Graves @ Feb 19 2007, 04:27 AM) *
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered, T-shirt wearing Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop, Roscoe White, when all three of them were in the USMC. I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was the German Mario Tauler Sague (Hemming's "Saul"), instead, but do we know what he looked like?

I recently looked again at a picture of (reportedly red-haired) Ralph Geb dressed in Army officer's uniform on the Web, and I gotta say I don't think he was the Mystery Man. Sorry. (FWIW, I do consider myself to be pretty good at facial recognition, having found my biological father without knowing his name just by looking through a college yearbook...) Neither do I think Mystery Man was Yuri Moskarev, and for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although I suppose he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Ferrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I don't see much similarity.

To play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev, a native Russian-speaker, couldn't possibly have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas


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Modified and bumped...

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William Kelly
QUOTE (Thomas Graves @ Feb 19 2007, 04:27 AM) *
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered, T-shirt wearing Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop, Roscoe White, when all three of them were in the USMC. I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was Sague ("Saul"), instead, but do we know what he looksed like? I don't think it was Yuri Moskarev for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Ferrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I personally don't see much similarity. Now, to play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev couldn't have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water, IMO. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas

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If the MMMC is the guy in the USMC photo, his identity should be known.

BK
Thomas Graves
QUOTE (William Kelly @ Dec 31 2007, 06:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Thomas Graves @ Feb 19 2007, 04:27 AM) *
Personally, I think the Mexico City Mystery Man was the same guy as the hunched-shouldered, T-shirt wearing Marine in LHO's photo of same and that future Dallas cop, Roscoe White, when all three of them were in the USMC. I'm open, however, to the possibility that it was Sague ("Saul"), instead, but do we know what he looksed like? I don't think it was Yuri Moskarev for two reasons. First, Mystery Man doesn't look particularly Russian (although he could pass as a Pole). Second, although the photo of Moskarev viewable on Mary Ferrell's website was taken only 11 years after the photos of Mystery Man were taken in M.C., I personally don't see much similarity. Now, to play Devil's Advocate, the argument that Moskarev couldn't have been the guy recorded speaking bad Russian over the phone to the Russian Embassy/Consulate in M.C. doesn't hold water, IMO. Hell, I speak excellent English, but I can speak it horribly (like a newly-arrived foreigner) if and when I want to...

FWIW,
--Thomas

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If the MMMC is the guy in the USMC photo, his identity should be known.

BK


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Has the guy in the USMC photo ever been identified? He seems to be the subject of the photograph, doesn't he? Or was LHO sneakily (sp?) taking a picture of Roscoe White instead?

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