Vicente López-Brea Fernández

I am so sorry to know of Richard's unfair dismissal and would like to urge IST's governing board to reinstate him and his other colleague. I met Richard in 2005 when I was an active member of the E-HELP project, as my institution , the CAP de Alcorcón (Madrid) was and is an active member. Needless to say Richard's impression was that of the highest efficency and proved extensively his talents both in History teaching incorporating IT and in coordinatiing the work of the Comenius 2.1 Project. As I see it there is NO way a professional like Richard can be dismissed on grounds of work inefficiency. Not only are his talents known to his students and student's parents, you have a list throughout this thread of international experts backing and acknowledging an outstanding expert, an efficient coordinator, a good worker whose only mistake may have been to voice injustice and unfairness. I sincerely hope there is a way back and the IST community reacts to these unfair events. All my support for Richard is his fight for rights.

No problem for the initial planning. However if you find it useful to change the order, we have no objection.

Fully agree. As far as we are concerned the language issue is no problem. We assume the French part as part of our contribution. The teaching of Citizenship is still not present in the Spanish educational system but we'll be able to benefit from other members' expertise to apply and study different cases. Any how, Citizenship wll also be a subject of interest to language and philosophy teachers, as it is the case of our institution, so we'll collaborate in this trend, apart from benefitting and collaborating with historical aspects. Again, fully committed and fully in agreement.

Fully agree, too. Thanks

I am awaiting this information. I will post it as soon as I get it. Sorry to be out in these critical moments, but was out of technology. I do hope we can indeed find the right partners.

Let me first thank you for your offer (that of sending us your reflection on the activity) which I would be delighted to read. Then, regarding the technological possibilities offered today I am most inclined to thinking that any European project demands a certain technological literacy (which in a Comenius 2.1 as ours would appear in the refresher course for teachers in the end) apart from a general knowledge of English and other languages. I tend to think of languages not as barriers (technology is also a language in that sense, as it demands literacy). So whatever we may think there is a need to make our language(s) accessible to a wider community. I believe, with everybody's effort, we can make a worth contribution to "this whole European idea".

The figures are right for the Spanish Lycee and myself.

E-Citizen sounds OK.

Juan Carlos and yourself were originally down to 120 days at 150 euros a day at a total staff cost of 18,000 euros. This figure will have to be adjusted according to the number of days and costs of other members. However, I need a starting figure before making these calculations. Concerning average day costs. Mine is high for two reasons. (1) I am managing director of a company and so therefore I am automatically placed in Staff Category 1. (2) I am based in England. For example, Andy Walker, who is a classroom teacher, is on 280 euros a day, in E-HELP. Terry Hadyn is on 300. Other examples include Spain (150), Holland (210), and Sweden (200). As regard costs it is OK if you put me down to 150 €. The reason why I'm in Paris is because I do get those €250. It is OK, then, €150 and the total figures to reach 18,000.

In E-HELP the amount (if I'm not wrong was 100 days for Juan Carlos and myself) was figured out according to other criteria. I find it easier to think of 100 days throughout the three year period (Total cost: 100 x 250 = 25,000). I would not object, in any case, to raising that number of days to 140 if required.

Then my daily quota is the one I mentioned above € 250. Thanks John.

Good idea David. I need to price this for the application form. Any suggestions? After my experience at E-HELP I am very keen that all members have a good quality Handycam. This could be used to produce citizenship resources and to record good examples of citizenship teaching. One possibility is the Sony DCR-DVD 403. The only problem about this model is that it uses mini DVD discs (these are more expensive than normal sized DVDs. http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,121563,00.asp Good choice. I had been reviewing about Handycam DCR-DVD92 DVD Digital Camcorder (.68MP, 20x Opt, 800x Dig, 2.5" LCD), but your choice offers a higher quality. http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_get...asterid=7267949 As regards the costs of DVDs in comaprison to DVs I think that will be going down (most naturally). I should also recommend to acquire a long furation extra battery per camera for field recording. One battery is definitely not enough.

I need to know the way to figure it out. By now I believe is about €250 per day. If you can let me know how to calculate I will give you a perfect sum.

Did it? My interpretation is that the system caused a great deal of resentment and bad feeling. Some people were clearly working a lot more than their allocated days and some a great deal less. Maybe you're right, as your perspective encompasses a longer period of time. Should we suggest then, to provide products throughout the whole process, with pre-established deadlines? NO problem for that either.

I have but to agree with Juan Carlos. In my view and from my experience it worked for E-HELP (for the short period I was an active member), it should work for Citizenship & ICT.

No doubt you will find a number of ways of explaining Juan Carlos However I do coincide with John that meetings do act as powerful motivators. Once again agree with him on the fact that good ideas appear at unsuspected times, whether they are attending a presentation or enjoying a bit of relax So I go for a number of meetings similar (or slightly small) to the initially proposed

Teaching Citizenship in a Globalized Europe Using ICT Good title.

After a telephone conversation I confirm the full availability of our institution to host one of these meetings. There is a full commitment of our institution to this project.

We will surely be able to count with Richard's intelligent distribution and expertise in dealing with this aspect. I do not really know how he did it but dealing with spreadsheets can make it easier. I will, no doubt collaborate, should that be a possibility. Do agree in any case with Juan Carlos with the complexity of the matter.

I don't object to the proposed number of meetings (I mean John's). I will ask tomorrow (for permission) but I find it possible for us to host one of these meetings. Still I will come back tomorrow with the permission required from my "bosses".

Cannot but agree with Juan Carlos. A laptop is definitely a must. AS regards budget for software I think the video compressing software (and editing) should be considered in budgetting (sorry if it sounds well-known to EHELP members, but as ex-EHELP member, I consider essential to have the availability of these programs and the video equipment, however simple, we may need). All this said unless the contribution to EHELP of the equipment and software purchased was perceived insufficient or inadequate.

I accept the initial name (sorry Juan Carlos). If suggetions are considered I would omit "the" in "the internet". Teaching Citizenship in a Globalised Europe via Internet Or Globalised Europe Citizenship Teaching via Internet.

Attached details of the Liceo Español "Luis Buñuel" Participating_institution_No_2.doc

Please do let me know if I can be of any help or if you need any information from my school. I will be in Spain for a fortnight starting on Saturday.

We are absolutely commited to the project. I personally would collaborate with whomever responsible to help the drafting of the project. The Liceo Español "Luis Buñuel" fully backs the project as so does the Spanish Consejería de Educación in Paris. We may use the internal network of Spanish Centres outside Spain to diseminate the outcomes. I do apologise about the quietness on the Citizenship Forum, but I have been following the tracks of the different topics. We clearly follow the project.