Robert Harris

I don't think so, Michael.

I explained that to you before, David. Connally always realized this was a conspiracy, but told at least one friend that he never said that because the country needed to move on. Had he testified about the bullet, it would have caused a storm of controversy and turmoil, with the FBI probably attacking his claims. So he waited until he was literally on his death bed to come forward and the nation was at a point where most people knew this was a conspiracy anyway. By then, no harm would come. There is no reason for you and I to quibble about that David, since the statements of Wade and Nolan make it a moot point. It is their corroborations that settle the issue. If Connally's claim was all there was, I would never have bothered with this thing.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID: The official November 1963 FBI interviews with Audrey Bell and Bobby Nolan, which Robert Harris thinks are filled with lies created by the FBI, do not contain any reference to any "whole bullet". Only a single "fragment" is mentioned in the two FBI reports linked below. Now, yes, CE842 does contain more than just a SINGLE metal fragment. I'm not denying that fact at all. But Bob Harris' theory about a WHOLE BULLET being handled by an unknown nurse (not Audrey Bell) and Officer Nolan suffers a pretty big setback when we have a look at these two FBI documents from November 22 and 23, 1963 [Commission Document No. 5]..... AUDREY BELL: CD5, Page 155 BOBBY NOLAN: CD5, Page 156 David, you keep trying to exonerate the FBI by citing the FBI. Both of those FBI reports contradict the interviewees. NO ONE outside of the FBI ever claimed that Bell said that she gave her envelope to a uniformed cop - NO ONE. And she certainly would not have said that four fragments were one, after previously telling the Dallas District attorney and officer Nolan that it was a whole bullet, from Connally's stretcher. You need to listen to Nolan's FIRST HAND statements, most of which were corroborated by other witnesses. Which means you must also think that Arlen Specter lied too, right? Because it was SPECTER, not FRAZIER, who first uttered the word "fragment" (singular) in connection with the Warren Commission exhibit that was to soon become CE842. No, he was just regurgitating what the FBI had already told him. The fact that Arlen Specter and Robert Frazier only refer to ONE single bullet fragment existing as part of CE842 is, indeed, quite strange. Because we can see that the "foreign body envelope" that was marked by Audrey Bell clearly indicates that "fragments" (plural) were placed into that envelope which later became part of Commission Exhibit 842, which is an envelope that was ALSO initialled by Robert Frazier of the FBI. His "RF" initials are plainly visible on the front of the envelope. And...the National Archives color photo of CE842 is obviously depicting the presence of four separate metal fragments.... YES!!! Frazier knew all along that Bell processed FOUR fragments and there is no doubt that that is what Bell told them in their interview of her on 11/23/63. They lied because they needed to substitute her envelope for the one Nolan had, which really did contain one object. They also lied when they claimed that Nolan said he had a "fragment". How could he have said that after being told that it was a whole bullet?? Nolan also stated that there was nothing written on his envelope at the time he received it. For some inexplicable reason, it would seem as though CE842, when it was first introduced into evidence during Robert Frazier's testimony, contained only one of the four fragments that were removed from Connally's body by Dr. Gregory. The other three fragments were evidently not examined by Bob Frazier of the FBI at all. That's impossible, David. Bell placed those four fragments into a plastic container and put the container in her envelope on the afternoon of 11/22/63. Your latest theory would have someone else pulling the envelope out of the evidence files and inserting three more fragments. That's ridiculous. Bell told the truth on 11/23/63 but the FBI lied, just as they lied about what Nolan and said and lied about what Stinson told them. They also had Stinson claiming this was a "fragment", when he clearly stated in an interview with Ramparts magazine, that it was a whole bullet. Do you, Robert Harris, really think that both Specter and Frazier would feel the need to hide or cover up the existence of three very tiny metal fragments that the HSCA later said were "too small to weigh"? Please stop attributing things to me that I never said. I never accused Spector of anything related to this issue. And yes, I am certain that Frazier believed he needed to claim that there was only one fragment in that envelope. Their weight was irrelevant, since they were clearly visible and the envelope was labelled as containing "fragments". FRAZIER LIED - deliberately and for an obvious purpose - to make it appear that Nolan had Bell's envelope. And after all the years we have been discussing this, you STILL continue to evade the statements of Nolan and Wade. Wade stated. "Some nurse had a bullet in her hand, and said this was on the gurney that Connally was on. " Now, we might think that he was hitting the bottle early that day, except that Nolan heard the same thing and BOTH of their statements matched perfectly with what Connally said. How do you explain that, David? It's not good enough to just say we can't trust witnesses. How do you explain the identical nature of the statements of those men?

Of course, but the study of Yogi Bear doesn't exactly contribute to ones analytical skills, IMO But seriously David, I wish you would become objective and evaluate ALL the evidence, both pro and con. When I got that way, all kinds of lights came on. I learned that one bullet probably DID pass through two men, that the shot at 313 DID come from the rear and even that Oswald probably took part in the shooting - all things that I previously denied. Ridiculing me for being skeptical about a totally unverified document, which contradicts numerous witnesses and other hard evidence, makes for a very poor argument. Even James Hosty has admitted that the FBI was engaged in a coverup then, due to fears that a conspiracy would lead to a nuclear confrontation with Russia. That fact alone, eliminates your right to ridicule the notion that they would fabricate evidence - something they had done in other cases as well. Consider one of many problems with this thing. Supposedly, it was passed on to Lt. Alexander, an officer with the DPD. If it is legit, then why didn't Alexander pass this critical, chain-of-custody evidence on to either the DPD or the FBI? According to Gary, it never left Alexander's office until it went to the HSCA, years later. It makes no sense that he would just forget about something of that magnitude. Nolan BTW, never said that he even signed a receipt, either when I interviewed him or Weldon Hartford. He did say however, that he didn't initial the envelope until he was at Will Fritz's office. Bell would never have released her envelope to anyone who didn't initial it and she was required to initial it also, but her initials are nowhere to be found on CE-842. And then there's the little problem of Bell placing four tiny fragments into a container and then stating that it was a single fragment. It just goes on and on and on and on, David. You need to balance the verifiable evidence against your very dubious, unverified evidence, including your newly discovered talent for handwriting analysis

Hey! Don't underestimate David. He learned about evidence writing reviews of Hanna-Barbera cartoons on Amazon!

"Nicely matching" what?? You have no idea whether those signatures are Bell's and Nolan's. Blurting out that they are, just doesn't cut it David. You seem to have no concept of evidence. Tell me David, is this authentic? There is no verification and no confirmed source for it - JUST LIKE THE ALLEGED BELL RECEIPT. So surely, you believe it is legit too, right:-) And yes, everyone was TOLD that Bell gave her "fragment" to Nolan. But try to find anyone outside of the FBI who claimed that they heard Bell say it. You won't find a single soul, David.

Chris, Thanks for the tip. I have included the specific information that Gary provided, in my NA request, so they should have no problem finding this item. Bob

I'm sorry you have to sink to such an ugly personal insult, David, especially since this receipt has yet to be corroborated by the NA, and you have made absolutely no attempt to verify it. It contradicts not just Bell's statement that she gave her fragments to federal, plain clothed agents, but the fact that she transferred 4 fragments, not one. And it contradicts Nolan, Stinson and Wade, all of whom were told by a nurse that this was a whole bullet, from Connally's stretcher, which is another contradiction, since Bell's fragments were recovered during surgery - and NOT taken from his stretcher. But none of that matters to you, does it? All that matters is that the evidence supports conspiracy and coverup. This "receipt" could have been written on toilet paper with a red crayon and you would be cheering wildly for it:-) I have already put in a request to the NA, to look for this thing in HSCA: Record Number: 180-10096-10351: Numbered Files: Agency File Number: 001894. Box 39. Legitimate or not, let's see if it at least exists where Gary claims.

Ok, so if I request confirmation of this document from the NA and tell them to look at HSCA: Record Number: 180-10096-10351: Numbered Files: Agency File Number: 001894. Box 39, I will get a confirmation, right?

Mr. Murr, Am I overlooking something, or is there nothing in your messages which suggests that the particular receipt you linked, was in the records turned over to the HSCA by Parkland hospital? Are you suggesting that it was there, but no one in either the HSCA or ARRB was aware of it? I have found nothing in the HSCA records which suggests that this thing exists, and the National Archives couldn't find it either. A Google search for the HSCA records listed in the vertical, misaligned text on the right side of this document, leads to a mountain of information, so it would seem that these records were examined and catalogued, but there is no mention of this receipt anywhere among them, that I am aware of. The HSCA label however, does eliminate the possibility of it remaining in the Dallas Municipal Archives, wouldn't you agree? So, it seems that no one in the HSCA, ARRB or the National Archives was aware of the existence of this alleged receipt. Someone else obviously was however, the person who gave a copy of it to you. Who was that Mr. Murr? And how did he or she locate what no one else on the planet seems to have been able to find?

As I'm sure you know, I meant to say, receipt. There is no reference to this receipt anywhere in the HSCA records Until you or someone else can verify the legitimacy of this document, and explain why it is nowhere in the National Archives or the HSCA records and was never mentioned in the HSCA's interview of Bell, it is worthless. You seem to want us to believe that the FBI which has a record of falsifying evidence in other cases as well as this one, is above reproach. And YES, I will declare an item as "fake stuff" if that's what the evidence and/or lack of evidence proves. My suspicion does not merit ridicule. What merits ridicule is your blind faith in an organization with a dubious track record, whose agenda is to "convince the public" that Oswald acted alone.

I have asked Gary Murr to provide a source for this mythical receipt, but so far, he has not been able to do so. The misaligned text on the right side suggests that someone wants us to think this was an HSCA item, but there is no mention of it in the HSCA reports, or even their 1977 interview of Bell. Try googling the text in that vertical line. You will find a mountain of information, NONE OF WHICH mentions this interview. It is disappointing that you would pitch a document which has no source or any form of verification. This thing is being discussed BTW, in a thread I started, entitled "A question for Gary Murr".

David, The fact that the FBI did not publicize a bullet which would have proven conspiracy, does not make it go away. You are saying the FBI is innocent because the FBI never released it to the public (or the Warren Commission). The evidence for the existence of this bullet comes from the mutually corroborative statements of Connally, Nolan, Stinson, Bell and Wade, none of whom you have ever addressed over the last 6 years. And CE399 was a bogus piece of evidence, which is proven by the absence of the initials of the two federal agents who marked it.

James, Your argument fails for a very simple reason. In the newer version of CE-842, there are numerous creases, none of which are converted into darker, heavier lines as you claim caused the two nearly identical "F"s. What the creases do suggest is that the envelope had at one time, been crumpled up and probably tossed into a waste basket. And creases don't form identical, alpha numeric characters. Not on this planet anyway. Now look at the encircled characters I labelled as #2. The first is relatively clear. It is a "b" or perhaps an elongated "6", followed by a dash and two more characters. Number three is the "kitty face". Notice the almost perfect semi-circle face, the eyes and the ears. Someone was doodling. The items I numbered were removed from CE-842, along with the heavy, dark erasure smudge at the bottom of the envelope. No camera, no matter how terrible it is, will fabricate alpha numeric characters and cartoon images.

David, The reason you substitute links for direct arguments, is that you know very well that your links contain ridiculous argument which you cannot defend in this forum. Let me give you an example. The link you just provided, leads to another link which you pretend, addressed the statements of Nolan, Wade and Connally. This is from the newsgroup post that you linked to: I said, "And you continue to evade the statements by Connally, Wade, Nolan, Stinson and Bell, which prove that the real Connally bullet was recovered on the second floor and given to Nolan." You replied, "Then where is that bullet that was picked up by the unknown nurse, Bob?" Of course, that was a ridiculous argument, since the bullet along with all other evidence, was confiscated by the FBI. But you never addressed or even attempted to address the verbatim statements of those men.

This is the image I was trying to link and which appeared (to me) to be in my post after I edited it. The garbage scribbling and partial character segments are easily seen, as well as the heavy, dark erasure smudge on the bottom. Poor photo copies hide information; they don't fabricate alpha-numeric characters and kitty faces:-) CE-842 was obviously cleaned up over the years. Like witness testimony, we should always go with the original, earliest version. And even the cleaned up version has a lot of heavy creases, suggesting that it was crumpled at one time. It also contains most of the broken character segments.

Chris, You raise a good point. It kinda looks like the work of a Photoshop beginner with a hand scanner (they were popular in the 90's). There's nothing sinister about it being a scan, but it does look like someone is trying to make it look like it was an HSCA document.

LOL!! NO! The problem is NOT fixed. I edited the post, correcting the second link and it appears to be correct, but it STILL takes you to the first one. I wouldn't keep whining about this, except that this is a rather important image. It clearly shows that this envelope had been scribbled on with the garbage partially erased. There is no way that Bell would have used an envelope like that.

Chris, Yes, I Googled that too, but found no reference to this alleged receipt. Nor have I ever seen it mentioned anywhere in the HSCA report. Consider this, from the HSCA's interview of Bell: "G: All right, and after you placed them into the foreign body envelope and sealed that envelope, what did you do with it? B: I delivered them to the FBI, and he signed for them, this was a deviation from our procedure, he signed, ah, there was a, took an inter-office memorandum and wrote on there about my delivering those to the FBI." The next question should have been, "But Ms. Bell, didn't you sign this receipt, releasing your envelope to officer Nolan?" That never happened, however. There wasn't even a hint that they had this receipt.

Thank you Larry. If the document that Gary presented is legitimate, it pretty much refutes my analysis. I can live with being wrong. It wouldn't be the first time :-) But Bell describing her evidence as a "fragment" rather than fragments is only where the contradictions begin. Why would Nolan, Wade and Stinson have been so certain that she said nothing about fragments (or fragment) and called it a "bullet"? And why in holy hell would she have told them it came from Connally's "gurney", rather than from surgery? Strange isn't it, that Connally also said the bullet fell from his gurney as he was being moved from it to the operating table? There are numerous other problems as well, some of which I suppose could be written off to faulty memory, but how does one explain the virtually identical recollections of Wade, Nolan and Connally?

Mr. Murr, thank you for the prompt response. Audrey Bell told both the ARRB and the HSCA in 1977, that she placed "four or five" tiny fragments into her envelope, four of which are visible in CE-842. Also, the contents are labelled, "bullet fragments", although a handwriting expert I submitted this to, believes that was written in a different hand than the rest of the text. Nolan BTW, stated that the information section of the envelope he initialed, was blank at the time. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bobby+nolan He also said that the nurse told him this was a whole bullet, from Connally's "gurney". Henry Wade, was told the same thing and said she was holding the bullet in her hand at the time. Combined with the absence of her initials on CE-842 and the battered condition of it, perhaps you can see how I came to the conclusions I did. I do hope you get to feeling better soon. Please take your time in looking into this matter, but I would be interested in who you acquired this alleged receipt from, and if possible, where they got it. It would seem that something like this would be a high priority item for the DPD and FBI since it would be critical to proving the chain of custody. I have to wonder how it did not get to the Archives.

Mr. Murr, Recently you posted a link to an alleged receipt for a bullet fragment, apparently signed off by Audrey Bell and officer Bobby Nolan. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzA5R7J9M0SFVl9JcGNNR3BxTDQ/view Could you tell me your source for this document? I'm sure you would never fabricate something like this, but without knowing where it came from, there is no way to verify its legitimacy. And since it contradicts statements of both Bell and Nolan, I believe there is reason to be skeptical. As I'm sure you know, I have been following this issue for a long time, and I will be eager to retract my relevant articles if they are proven to be wrong.

The problem has been fixed and I was able to edit the post. Thanks for the help.

There seems to be some technical issues, which are preventing me from editing an error in my response to Gary Murr. I entered this link twice. http://jfkhistory.com/ce842.jpg But the second time, I mean to enter this link, which shows the lower section of the envelope after I enhanced the image. Please excuse the error. I really did try to fix it. http://jfkhistory.com/ce842x.jpg (This problem has been fixed and I was able to edit the article)

To Gary Murr Please excuse the crude method I used to respond to specific sections of Mr. Murr’s article. It’s been awhile since I posted here and I was having problems replying properly. I have enclosed his statements between —> and <— —> there are genuine morons, individuals devoid of any true sense of research beyond the fringe efforts of reading and believing ‘evidence’ relating to the wounding of John Connally that is demonstrably false. Therefore, let us take a look at just what Mr. Miatello, an apparent true believer in the research efforts of Robert Harris, advances in his statements that are at the core of the hypothetical nuances he attempts to advance throughout this, his thread. <— Mr. Murr, I am baffled that you would write such a hatchet piece, without even attempting to ask me about it. When you do that, you only embarass yourself, as we will see. —> It was Connally himself who totally debunked this hypothesis, when he wrote in his book “In History Shadow” (1994)– black on white – …” Putting aside the fact that the actual title of the book is “In History’s Shadow,” – David Von Pein is correct [sorry to ruin your day, David, but I have to agree with you on this one] John Connally actually wrote very little of this his “American Odyssey.” This task fell to ghost-writer, Mickey Herskowitz. Herskowitz is also responsible for the equally dreadful 2003 volume “written” by Nellie Connally, “From Love Field.” <— Well, I feel a little better, knowing you are also trashing this highly esteemed writer. This is from Wikipedia, “He has authored over 30 books, many of them jointly written autobiographies of famous Americans in politics, sports and media (including Gene Autry, Nolan Ryan, Paul “Bear” Bryant, George Allen, Tom Kite, John Connally and Prescott Bush), and others ghostwritten autobiographies of celebrities in similar fields (including Dan Rather, Mickey Mantle, Howard Cosell, Bette Davis, Shirley Jones, Marty Ingels and Gene Tierney).” That also includes an American President, George W. Bush. BTW, to the best of my knowledge, there is no one who has ever accused this man of lying or fabricating the statements of his clients, other than a few nutter radicals and pseudo-buffs:-) And BTW, I personally interviewed Herskowitz, who confirmed that he cited Connally first hand, making the statement about the nurse who recovered the bullet. He said Nellie was not present then, remembered him mentioning it a few days later. The obvious fallacy in DVP’s argument is that Connally knew he had lost a cuff link and would undoubtedly have assumed that that is what fell, if he hadn’t seen it and the nurse picking it up. —> It is to be noted that by the time Herskowitz got around to helping Nellie with her painfully inaccurate rendering of the events of November 22, 1963, that a decision apparently had been made not to repeat the ludicrously fanciful account of the “most curious discovery…” of the object” quietly [?] falling to a floor in Parkland Hospital. <— This is what I mean by embarrassing yourself. Nellie didn’t include that in her book because she was not present when that happened. She couldn’t describe it first hand. As for errors about other aspects of the assassination, we can hardly blame JBC for that, considering his condition and Nellie was totally focused on him. If Herskowitz had been fabricating all this, as you seem to be implying, he would undoubtedly have gotten the details right. —> This of course must represent the “TRUE bullet” that apparently wounded John Connally<— Well, at least you got that right:-) —> the central brick in the yellow-brick road fairy-tale that this hypothesis represents. <— Fairy Tale?? Sigh... it is sooo nice to know that I am dealing with an objective, honest researcher, analyzing only the facts and evidence. —> And it is also to be noted that in her handwritten notes constructed by Nellie Connally after the assassination event, notes in turn that are the basis for “From Love Field”, Mrs. Connally never mentions the discovery of this “TRUE bullet,” even though according to Mr. Miatello the Governor actually witnessed this same bullet “falling from his thigh…” Speaking of which…<— Yes, Mr. Murr. She only noted what SHE saw and personally experienced. —> “…Connally saw the TRUE bullet falling from his thigh at around 12:38-12:40 of Nov. 22, 1963, moments before the surgical intervention by Dr. Gregory on 2nd floor of Parkland Hospital.<— Yep, he got the time wrong, proving that he just made up the whole thing:-) —>And he recalls that a nurse IMMEDIATELY collected it, and then she put the bullet in a brown envelope…” <— He never said that he saw her put it in an envelope. —>Unfortunately Dr. Charles Gregory’s “surgical intervention”, and I assume here that what Mr. Miatello is referring to is Dr. Gregory’s actual surgical repair to the Governor’s right distal radius, did not begin “moments before…” a time frame “around 12:38 – 12:40…”. Rather this operative procedure did not begin until 4:00 p.m. CST [1600 hours as dictated by Dr. Gregory] and ended some 50 minutes later at 4:50 p.m., CST. Perhaps Alberto can point me to a citation/document/testimony wherein John Connally states that he actually “saw” this bullet falling from his thigh, as he lay prone on his back in trauma room # 2, <— I have no idea what your point is, re: Gregory. The bullet fell when he was being moved from a gurney to the operating table, to be operated on first, by Shaw. And he probably wasn’t “prone”; he saw it fall as he was being moved and was likely, turned a bit. And if he wasn't, he would only have had to turn his head in the direction of the bullet after he heard it hit the floor. —>and while he is at it can also indicate to me documentation supporting the contention that John Connally recalled a nurse “immediately” gathering up this same “TRUE bullet” and witnessed it being “put in a brown envelope.” <— Connally never said that. In fact, the bullet had not been put in an envelope, prior to DA Wade seeing her holding it in her hand. —>You do know, Alberto that these same evidence envelopes were not kept in trauma room # 2 – just trying to help you out here.<— Not sure why you keep hammering away at these irrelevancies. —>As for the further contention that “the bullet falling from Connally’s thigh was seen at around 12:38 – 12:40 p.m. at 2nd floor of Parkland…” is, of course, an impossibility. John Connally was not taken up to OR # 5 on the second floor until at least 12:50 p.m. and most probably even later than that. <— Yep, another trivial, irrelevant issue. (snipping more irrelvancies) —> There was one and only one evidence envelope prepared as a result of metallic residue removed from the right distal radius of John Connally. This same envelope was prepared by Nurse Audrey Bell in her office, not in OR # 5, and she turned this envelope over to Robert N. “Bobby” Nolan, a member of the Texas Highway Patrol. <— That is flatly untrue. Bell stated that she gave four fragments to plain clothed federal agents and not to Nolan. The FBI was constantly trying to describe one fragment, because Nolan’s envelope only contained one item. Frazier even tried to sell that one in his WC testimony. When asked about the FBI report, claiming she referred only one "fragment", she immediately denied saying that, as she would have done on 11/23/63, when she was interviewed. The FBI lied about that and they lied about what Nolan and Stinson said as well. Nolan said the nurse he encountered, stated that her envelope contained a whole bullet, from Connally’s “gurney” - exactly the same thing she told DA Wade. He said, “Nolan: I was talking to a man who was one of governor Connally's aides. His name was - I think it was either Stinton or Stimmons (Bill Stinson). And he was an aide to the Governor. And she came up and told him that she had the bullet that came off of the gurney. “ He repeated the same thing in this video interview, posted by Welton Hartford, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9jIAiGNYg&t=837s Wade told the Dallas Morning News, “I also went out to see (Gov. John) Connally, but he was in the operating room. Some nurse had a bullet in her hand, and said this was on the gurney that Connally was on.” What is your explanation for that, Mr. Murr? Why would he fabricate the same story than Nolan and Connally did? —>In this current thread regarding the “TRUE bullet” recovered by a phantom nurse <— Why would you feel that the failure of those three men to mention her name, makes her a “phantom”? How exactly, is that relevant. If we had her name, you would just call her a xxxx anyway, wouldn’t you:-) —>Alberto contends, as he did in a prior thread he constructed that dealt with CE 399, Audrey Bell handed officer Nolan a “bullet” in a small brown envelope and identified this same object [apparently unknown to Nolan because the envelope was sealed] as a bullet and did so in the presence of Connally aide, William Stinson. <— It was not “unknown” to him. The nurse stated that it was a “bullet” from Connally’s stretcher. Wade heard the same thing. Stinson also confirmed that it was a whole bullet, BTW, although he was obviously mistaken in thinking it was recovered in surgery. This is from a 1967 issue of Ramparts magazine. “Before the Commission discredited Connally's testimony they should at least have heard all the important witnesses. Ramparts found one the Commission never talked to; they never even asked him for an affidavit. He is William Stinson, an aide to Governor Connally at the time of the assassination. Today, although officially employed by the Veterans Administraton, he has an office in the White House. Stinson told us he was in the operating room, wearing a sterile uniform, when the doctors operated on Connally at Parkland Hospital. 'The last thing they did,' said Stinson, 'was to remove the bullet from the governor's thigh---because that was the least thing that was wrong with him.'". —>This fanciful tale is based upon an interview Robert Harris had with Nolan in 2010. According to this same fanciful narrative, <— You seem to like that word, don’t you:-) —> and I paraphrase, false documentation was thereafter generated to change this encounter to reflect that Nurse Bell gave Nolan fragments from the Governor’s wrist and the bullet and its envelope was made to disappear. The crowning jewel in this Harris – Miatello tale is that even in this deception the bungling “morons” involved in this scheme screwed up. <— Let me try to explain what happened. According to DA Wade, he told the nurse to get the bullet to the police and he was probably not very happy that she had been carrying around the most important evidence of that century, all afternoon. Does it make sense that he was a bit grouchy about that? This was not an experienced nurse. If you listen to Hartford’s interview, you will notice that Nolan stated that there was nothing in the information section of that envelope, when he signed it. That’s important, Mr. Murr. Now, let’s take a closer look at that envelope. First, look at the heavy erasure smudge at the bottom of CE-842. http://jfkhistory.com/ce842.jpg And this is with a bit of image enhancement, brightening and sharpening up the bottom section: http://jfkhistory.com/ce842x.jpg Do you see the partial erasures and character fragments? And the kitty face at the very bottom? Over the years, that envelope was cleaned up by the time John Hunt scanned it, removing some of the garbage. But look at all the sharp creases, suggesting that this envelope had at one time, been crumpled. http://www.jfklancer.com/hunt/phantom_files/image004.jpg Perhaps she couldn’t find Bell, so in her panic to satisfy Wade, she rummaged around in a waste basket and found a crumpled envelope that had been scribbled and/or doodled on. She frantically smoothed it out and erased it as best she could. She then dropped the bullet in it and ran out into the hallway, spotting the only cop in sight. Nolan told us the rest. Now, I’m sure you will be eager to ridicule this “fanciful” theory, but before you do that, please explain why Bell would use an envelope in that condition. And she certainly would have filled out the information section at the top. —>Why? Because Nurse Bell claimed she turned the brown envelope represented as CE 842 over to a “civilian”, possibly “an FBI or maybe a Secret Service agent.” Nurse Bell, in turn, could not be “mistaken” on this point because, in the words of Robert Harris, “Patrolman Bob Nolan was wearing an uniform…” and Bell remembers the individual who received this envelope as a “civilian wearing no uniform.” As I indicated previously, there are morons and then there are morons. And there are also morons who never do research. <— Nolan told me he was in full, dress uniform that day and I’m pretty sure he told Weldon the same thing. It was clearly distinguishable from civilian clothes. And according to your extremely dubious, unsourced “receipt”, he signed off as a State Trooper. She gave her envelope to federal agents. I’m pretty sure she knew the difference:-) But it’s not JUST Bell. Nolan heard that nurse state that this was a “bullet”, that came from Connally’s gurney - exactly what she told Wade and exactly what Connally said, happened. Bell would never have told them that. And Stinson also was told the same thing that Nolan and Wade were, which is why he believed that it was a whole bullet. There are too many witnesses saying the same thing, Mr. Murr. You might be able to generate a little doubt if there were only one, but there are just too many, all mutually corroborative. —>In March of 2002 I contacted the Executive Director of the Texas DPS [Department of Public Safety] Historical Museum and Research Center, Austin, Texas. I asked this individual one specific question: Did all members of the Texas Highway Patrol always wear a uniform, in particular the typical uniform one would associate with a member of the Texas Highway Patrol, i.e. the customary State Trooper’s obligatory style hat and some form of visible badge? The answer was yes, but with a notable exception. Certain officers of the DPS/Texas Highway Patrol identified as Texas State “Troopers” were in 1963 dressed as “plain clothed officers,” a practice that continues to this very day. <— Wrong again, Gary. Nolan was not a plain clothed officer. He was in full dress uniform, planning to work security at the Trade Mart for the POTUS. —> This same information was confirmed for me in February of 2003 by researcher Steve Thomas, whose contact with a retired Dallas police detective confirmed that he was familiar with plain clothed officers of the Texas Department of Public Safety. Robert Harris and his disciples like to use Audrey Bell’s interview with the ARRB as proof of deception and disappearance of evidence. Harris claims that Audrey Bell “was always stubborn in denying any kind of delivery by her to Bob Nolan…and of course she cannot be mistaken on this point”<— Mr. Murr, please stop misrepresenting me. I have given a HUGE amount of consideration to the possibility that Bell was on heavy drugs that day, but the evidence and statements of Connally, Wade, Nolan and Stinson, make it logically impossible that she was the nurse who gave an envelope to Nolan. Not only would you need to declare all of them delusional, but you would need them to all be suffering from nearly identical delusions. If the four men were correct, it couldn’t have been Bell they encountered, and surprise, surprise, Bell ALSO said it wasn’t her. And if that isn’t enough, the envelope itself was obviously not pristine and unused. Bell was an ER supervisor. She would never have done something like that. —> the why of which I explored in the paragraph above - she gave her envelope to a citizen not a patrolman theoretically “wearing an uniform.” This, however, was Douglas Horne’s conclusion drawn from the March 20, 1997 ARRB interview of Bell: “She independently recalled filling out a receipt on 11/22/63 for the fragments on half-page sized paper with red lettering in the letterhead, which was signed for by one of two men in civilian clothes (whom she thought were Federal agents) who accepted the fragments. She said she personally delivered the original of this receipt to Parkland Hospital Administrator, Jack Price. <— Strange, how your unsourced receipt has no red lettering and no reference to Jack Price, isn’t it? Whoever fabricated that thing, should have done his homework. —>(ARRB staff promised to try to locate this document, and promised that if located, we would mail her a photocopy for verification purposes.)” As I have written regarding this Horne conclusion in my Connally manuscript: “The use of the noun “thought” in conjunction with Ms. Bell and the “two men in civilian clothes…” may just possibly represent an indication that Audrey Bell was willing to concede, <— Well, with no research skills, I have to prefer what a witness actually says to what you want her to have said. And she told the HSCA the same thing in 1978 that she told the ARRB. She gave her envelope to federal, plain clothed agents. —> some 34 years after the event took place, that her assumption that any individual who approached her dressed in “civilian” clothing had to have necessarily been a “Federal agent” is and was potentially wrong.<— Yeah, but like almost everything else you are making up for her, she never did that. Of course she asked for ID. She was required to. —>The key, of course, should be found on the “receipt…signed for by one of the two men in civilian clothes...”. If you have the receipt, or a copy of the receipt, then the signature of the “one” individual who signed for the fragments will be present on this same receipt – if Audrey Bell’s recollections are correct.” Robert Harris and his followers,<— My “followers”?? Jesus Christ man, you are really something else. Did I run over your dog or something? Or were just you thinking that I won’t be here to defend myself:-) —>including apparently Alberto Miatello, believe this receipt “disappeared”, further proof if you will of intentional destruction of evidence. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. The Bell - Nolan receipt does exist – I have had a copy of it since 1999. And it was signed by only one “civilian” and precisely where Audrey Bell left room on this particular PMH letterhead for this same civilian to verify that he had “received” that which she had given him – Bob Nolan. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzA5R7J9M0SFVl9JcGNNR3BxTDQ/view?usp=sharing <— This is a reply to my most recent attempt to get information about the real receipt, from the National Archives, “Mr,. Harris: This is in response to your July 28, 2017 request for information about the records of the JFK Assassination Collection, Specifically, you are interested in a receipt for an envelope of bullet fragments from Parkland Hospital, signed by Audrey Bell and Texas State Trooper Bobby M. Nolan on 11/22/1963. We received your request on July 21, 2017. We took a look through the database and while we can find a poor quality photocopy of the envelope in HSCA records, we cannot find a copy of the receipt in the Collection We also took a look through Joe Freeman's ARRB files, but still met with no success. We regret that we could not be or more assistance to you. If you have any further questions, please feel free to respond by return email or by calling (301) 837-1993. Gene Morris Archives II Textual Reference Branch (RDT2) Room 2400” Tell me Mr. Murr, how did you manage to get this document which the National Archives doesn’t have? The FBI confiscated everything related to the chain of custody. I’m pretty sure they didn’t pass this stuff out to civilians. Who exactly gave it to you? Source is everything, sir. Please be specific. And BTW, as a conspiracy advocate, who do you think was behind it? How many snipers were there? I would love to hear your conspiracy theories. Maybe I can learn something.