John Dolva

This version seems to me to be more like it was meant (imo, that's all) to be. It has on occasion seemed to me that the Japanese can be a bit 'harsh' or perhaps pedantic when orchestrating western music so in response to a percieved discordance. that made it seem kind of patchy and at times 'disney like'. I looked for a different version and was not surprised to find that a longer version by the London Symphony Orchestra irons out the kinks and presents Holst as the composer he was and then it is easier to see the influence he has had on musicians. (imo) This version has a reasonable, but not great, soundtrack and to me annoying graphics. ( I dealt with that by starting it and a version that only has a photo of Holst and pausing it to look at while the other piece played ).

You mean it is not easy? I suggest it is that simple, but it is understandably difficult. It as a lot to do with curriculum Who chooses it? Which comes back to society. Ultimately a Good Teacher is hard to find, for obvious reasons, in many societies. ... which goes back to the bit I quoted. etc.

. Hope noone thinks I have an answer. Anyway part of Wiliams post in Coup d'etat may be a piece of this: ''From Russia (with love) Oswald wrote three times to the International Rescue Committee seeking assistance in returning home from the Soviet Union. Founded by Leo Cherne, the IRC was also closely affiliated with the CIA's"Operation Wringer," originally established by German Nazi Gen. Reinhard Gehlen to interview and interrogate refugees from Communist countries. Cherne was also affiliated with some anti-Castro Cuban organizations involved in the assassination. Tom Doley was affiliated with Cherene and the IRC in Vietnam and Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford appointed Leo Cherne to the PresidentsForeign Intelligence Advisory Board. There's more to the IRC than meets the eye, but I haven't had the time to find out what it is.''

''Most'' ... ok, do you go into the ones that are not in this 'most' over the last 60 years in detail too? btw I'm an admirer from the time of reading about the Freedom Riders. I've been rather stunned to find you a member here. Good on you. Do you have any idea who Sheila was/ is?

I just watched the latest Mission Impossible. I was struck by the intro of this piece. There is definitely a similarity in parts of the soundtrack. Somber fellow. A bit 'monolithic'.

Thanks Jim, you always crack me up. 400 words which we could probably comfortably distil down to 10 without appreciable data loss. And I haven't gone anywhere. I'm just in a different time zone. I have heard of cavitation as it happens, Jim. I would be interested to know how it is relevant in the context of JFK's movement following the headshot, as I'm too dumb to work that out for myself. I would tend to believe that the presence of a cloud of blood and brain matter in front of JFK's head at frame Z313 would indicate that the bullet entered from behind. Otherwise, how is it being driven out of the front of his head, which Z313 clearly shows? Oh, cavitation. I see. So can your phenomenon of cavitation account for the solid fragments of bone which can be seen flying out at high speed in the same direction in the same frame? No doubt it can. Jim, I think your version of your debate with John McAdams only exists inside your head. Listen to it, it's still there in the Black Op archive, and clear the fog: Debate Part 1 Debate Part 2 Debate Part 3 Debate Part 4 You'll need RealPlayer for these. Paul. I think that by triangulating the bones spinning off using Muchmore, Nix, and Zapruder one can see that the direction is roughly perpendicular to a front back shot.

Why in the would would you say this: "At 318 the entire frame is blurred as one expects" If you had even the first clue how blurring works? There is over-panning, under-panning, no panning but a camera move, no panning but a subject move, no panning and no camera move, perfect panning with a foreground subject move....and on it goes. This is complex blur. So, why don't you try and figure out exactly how the different blurs actually occurred rather than flying directly to ct fantasy? I was just going to suggest various blur types It's actually quite an interesting exercise measuring all the various movements. There's a lot to be found there when one considers also exposure speed.

... If society did not do this and just left it to the market, it would not be possible to maintain high standards in art. Of course, there will be a negative reaction from most students. I believe a really good teacher can to a certain extent overcome this problem. ... to me : the bit before and after kinda makes sense. This sentence is like a non-sequiteur to me. I'd like it not to be. For example NAZI Germany did not maintain high standards in art. If they did not like it, it was not art. Negative reactions were 'discouraged'. Good teacher's are in a real bind. I realise this is about a particular mindset re society, but isn't the massive attacks on civil liberties around the world like the backward moves of British society, and Spain, Greece Italy, France, .. (tho I have some hopes for All as the working class is finally beginning to stir. This brings us to a critical point in history. Probably France as a nation of Art and Revolution (which is essential in art) will be very instructive as the election is being forced by radical elements. A good teacher inform students of truth. ( Therefore a good teacher must accept consequences, then it's not hard.). In this way, whatever outcome, students will have had a first hand instruction. No wonder education is under heavy attack and consequently the 'battle' must be won there as well. When students and workers unite then things will happen. Art must be recognised as free personal expressions of truths, as soon as the market gets its claws into an artist a compromise is made. It's inevitable. When Society is the Market and consumers commodities, that which was art is no longer so.

I agree this can't be ignored. We are fortunate to have someone like Al with us. Any student of physics can learn a lot from this post. Al, have you done (is it possible?) a reverse analysis from how movements appear in the film in order to work out reasons why it did move as it did? Do you consider the back brace a significant factor?

I can understand why you say that. This doesn't mean that there is a deeper perspective. But there could be. eg - Live TV pioneered in the Kennedy years as well as the mobile radio news unit (from Dallas of all places). The Vietnam war sprung into everyones living room. for example, Kernt State, but then there is also the daily inter-social communications as well as a near Civil War at times over a number of years. A lot of this can be studied by watching ''The Killing of America, if you can get a copy. Is it still banned in the US?

Paul, or anyone, has anyone noted a connection between Ghelen and Walker?

It has suddenly become very trivial. I wonder why? I'd keep in mind the implications of the Crikey article, and John Pilger of course, And Robertson in the long term. It's also time to bone up om Fairfax. (imo), Whitlam, ... A lot of this started downunder.after all

I think this is ridiculous when the real issue here, imo, is the Iran-Contra affair and the possible ties to JFK. I'm not into this attack on Clinton. I never met the guy. Besides, looking at things from here the whole thing about Clinton was a sour joke. What wasn't known generally was the organisation and execution of the counter FSLN efforts pre victory and how even then things were guided by yankee imperialisms (sorry that just slipped out) I mean Reagan and Co long term interests amongst others the placing of forces in Costa Rica which etc etc etc... . Anyway, the implications are far greater and here there is an obsession at work that negates getting any thing of value. That becomes the focus. I think there should be a topic that deals with sex in general and this look into Clinton to shift towards a no agenda paradigm. I would certainly learn a lot. This is ordinary and old.

There's no conflict the, David. I did too. This was actually an old trade that had to change routing as Somozas Nicaraguan landing strips out of the picture following the victory of the FSLN made things a bit difficult, and to span flight distances new routing arrangement had to be made.

I wonder who, er I mean what,, they shredded? Wasn't there a strange story about a young man on a rail track? What became of that?

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Tom, I certainly appreciate you detailed posts on various matters. I'm not saying I 'get' all of them but a number open up new perspectives. I wouldn't bother trying to defend your right to post as you choose. People can take or leave it, either way it is not your problem. (imo)

I'm suggesting that another way to look at it is that the request was really to keep tabs on reports of unusual flight activities. There are reasons to think that various people who may have been in the loop re JFK were also involved with at least the southern comtras, both mercenary and weapon supply. So an apparently absurd request probably wouldn't be hard to fulfill and a report nada on JFK, which is what one would expect I suppose and I don't know what re info gathered on 'ufo's' could be useful in order to flag any connections if one is inclined to follow that particular thread. (It doesn't need to be either pro or anti bush, could be either, or just as you suggest, I'm not pushing one or the other. I guess an independent look at contemporary parallel events can shed some light on it) edit add. there's R. K. Brown appearing in both events and a tenuous but of possible interest Bruce Jones as a Company man and a very sketchy past which places him in the SDS and later in the Costa Rica Contras.

Thank you for posting that, William. It's quite a story, the kind that says as much by what it doesn't say as what it does.

a couple of things : it was not a good time, seldom was since after 1927 on, to declare ones Trotskyism in quite a number of places. Also various Trotskyist trends have been filled with people with properly functioning brains. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that the SWP was careful about the obvious learned from centuries of experience.. A look at the COINTELPRO-SWP docs around particularly pertaining to their prominence in local politics in places around the US. The 'Underground Press' is replete with on the street info including copies and analysis that indicate they were pretty much on the ball and in the culture at the time groupings like the SDS formed a network that disseminated info throughout the US for example, let alone overseas. I think this is a matter of their story and 'our' story. 2 the notion that there is a seeming connection as presented is more simply understood in the context of linking Trotskyim to the assassination. That sort of individual terrorism as suggested for the JFK assassination is not in the platform. Therefore it is an attempt to discredit, like so much else in this inquiry. edit add for interest http://barrysheppardbook.com/ https://s4-us2.ixquick-proxy.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&cat=pics&c=pf&q=malcolm+x+militant&h=278&w=450&th=183&tw=297&fn=03malcolm-x-450pk051910.jpg&fs=30%20k&el=bing_pics_2&tu=http:%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fimages%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4976540455273811%26id%3Dea70c88a0990b8b4817d303cdfc66fe2%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.aolcdn.com%252fphotogalleryassets%252fbv%252f883344%252f03malcolm-x-450pk051910.jpg&rl=NONE&u=http:%2F%2Fwww.bvonmoney.com%2F2011%2F02%2F22%2Fmalcolm-x-daughter-accused-identity-theft-arrested%2F&udata=bbcb59b23d1dfec42ea2d60ded683c62&rid=LILNNNMTOTLO&oiu=http:%2F%2Fwww.aolcdn.com%2Fphotogalleryassets%2Fbv%2F883344%2F03malcolm-x-450pk051910.jpg https://s4-us2.ixquick-proxy.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&cat=pics&c=pf&q=malcolm+x+militant&h=266&w=275&th=175&tw=181&fn=Malcolm-X.jpg&fs=14%20k&el=bing_pics&tu=http:%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fimages%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4915539037064576%26id%3Da27a65074022b3b35f78bab1b20f332f%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.workers.org%252f2007%252fus%252fMalcolm-X.jpg&rl=NONE&u=http:%2F%2Fwww.workers.org%2F2007%2Fus%2Fmalcolm-x-0222%2F&udata=98178eb3adf47e58576c3c9d7b3c9c87&rid=LILNNNMTOTLO&oiu=http:%2F%2Fwww.workers.org%2F2007%2Fus%2FMalcolm-X.jpg

BK, can you give the dates of the mags, particularly Rebel, please?

Tom , I continue to follow your idea with interest. Thank's for more of the historical context. On that note I'd like to make a couple of observations to do with the creases apparent on the now flattened out package. The label and the stamp imprint are pretty square indicating they came after the package was found partially opened. A couple of things. The creases and the distortion therefore of the closing stitch could be an indicator of the bulkiness of the package and the creases, straight on the left and crumpled corners indicates something about the contents dimensions, shape and thickness. Again a reason for better imagery to work out if rather than ' I suspect that Oswald addressed the package to "Dallas Texas" and crossed it out himself, writing "Irving Texas" ' . Irving Iexas( and more) was written first and then the label was stuck on the flattened package and then in hindsight the dallas crossed out which leads me to wonder whether Oswald had anything to do with the package at all. edit add typos, and the label therefore covers the 'more', so in this sequence who stuck the label on.

my thinking on my hypothesis continues to fracture as I seek a synthesis based on insufficient knowledge. It'd be great if someone who understands what I'm trying to get at would give some input + or - is all the same. One spinoff from trying to define money, what is it seems just as relevant in this topic as in 'Fiat'. This comes from a discussion with someone who is not a socialist like me but with whom I can discuss things. The discussion went in to the etymology of the word money. One site seemed to say it was from a roman goddess. From memory married to Jupiter. Monit something which has a meaning in monitoring and money itself. OK, what can money be said to monitor? Debt? Credit? The debtor, I think, ultimately. It seems like a bit convoluted, but is it? Isn't viability a measure of debt and that is then a measure of credit accorded to that status. On, so then one never really has money. It's always someone elses and if that is available to the other then one has credit which in turn becomes debt. So 'live' money is the measure of ones indebtedness, ie it's a means to measure solvency by dealing with degree of insolvency. Maybe I'm exhausted.

crikey !! http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/03/30/just-another-crazy-rupert-murdochs-week-of-horrors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrikeyDaily+%28Crikey+Daily%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results Friday, 30 March 2012 / 18 comments ‘Just another crazy’: Rupert Murdoch’s week of horrors by David Salter, a journalist and former Media Watch EP It’s been a bad week to be a Murdoch. Even ever-smiling Sarah, who married into the clan via Lachlan, seemed so paralysed by the revelations over the past five days that she confessed to Nine News that she couldn’t make up her mind which infant to vote for as a judge of the Australia’s Loveliest Baby competition. That it has come to this … News Corporation suffered three hefty hammer blows in the space of as many days. First, the BBC current affairs flagship Panorama revealed the bones of what looks to have been a secret worldwide strategy to sabotage their competitors in the pay-TV market. The following day, The Australian Financial Review put some meat on those bones with exhaustive detail. On Wednesday, The Independent (UK) published a strong news feature that tracked how similar hacking/piracy techniques had been employed in Italy, where News International also has a major interest in pay TV. The Independent described its revelations as another chapter in the “uncomfortable scrutiny of the Murdoch empire”. There’s a delicious irony here. Just weeks ago Murdoch was protesting to the world how his competitors were all helping themselves to content on the internet sites of his major titles. It was outright and unconscionable “theft”, declared Rupert. Now it looks very much as if businesses either owned by, or associated with, News have been encouraging code hackers to steal access to the pay-TV services of their competitors, thereby robbing them of income and making them vulnerable to takeover — often by News. Like the wounded bull elephant he now resembles, Murdoch spat back venom on Twitter: “Enemies many different agendas, but worst old toffs and right wingers who still want last century’s status quo with their monopolies.” Murdoch complaining about right-wingers and monopoly power is a tad piquant to say the least, but there was more: “Seems every competitor and enemy piling on with lies and libels.” Anyone who’s been done over by a Murdoch tabloid, or been the target of The Australian’s long, vengeful attack campaigns will find the hypocrisy of Rupert’s bleat breathtaking. After a day or two struck dumb by shock (or maybe waiting for their riding instructions), News outlets in Australia have circled the wagons. Page two of today’s Australian is a classic of confected outrage. The common theme is that NDS, the News-owned company accused of running the hacking/piracy operations, had done nothing “illegal”. That may well be so, but it’s hardly the point. Nixon kept declaring “I am not a crook”, but he still had to go. What’s important here is that the stench of underhand, possibly illegal News Corporation business practices is no longer just confined to the News of the World phone-hacking outrages. Indeed, the stink now emanating from Murdoch’s TV and associated electronic media ventures may soon overpower the original bad smells from Wapping and New Scotland Yard. Curiously, these new revelations have so far attracted a tiny fraction of the coverage of the NotW scandal. Why? Because newspaper reporters and editors still tend to think of media power in terms of traditional print. Any story about Murdoch’s tabloid shenanigans gets huge coverage in the broadsheets because it reinforces old assumptions about the Dirty Digger and his dreadful deeds. The lazy, under-resourced electronic media then follow print’s lead and amplify the story beyond sensible proportions. Yet what’s really happened following the News of The World scandal? A few showy parliamentary inquiries, a few non-custodial arrests without charge, a few sackings and resignations. One of Rupert’s London red-tops closes to be replaced a few months later by another. In hindsight, all the hyperventilating coverage of Murdoch’s UK phone-hacking embarrassments has been disproportionate. What we’re getting now, with the Panorama/Fin Review/Independent investigations, is far more significant for the long-term health of News and the Murdoch family. It hits them hard where they now make most of their money. What truly matters to them are the new rivers of media gold — pay-TV subscriptions in high-population markets. At last count, print represents about 20% of News revenues, and probably even less of its net profits. Sure, Rupert loves to wield power and influence through his newspapers — they’re what get him in the back door of No.10 and front gate of Kirribilli House — but the profits from one mega hit Fox movie swamp anything his newspapers can deliver. Another indicator of this relative scale is the pending sale of NSD, essentially a software company, to Cisco for $5 billion. You could probably buy most, if not all, of Rupert’s print mastheads around the world for less than that. The real story here (and the one that’s likely to do significant long-term damage to News) is that we now have evidence of an apparently widespread culture of Watergate-style “dirty tricks”. This is a corporation that apparently finds it difficult to see any distinction between robust competitive business behaviour and sabotage. Rupert’s fight for survival won’t be waged in the UK or Italy but in the US, where the business establishment has always seen him as an uncouth interloper. They’re patient men, quite happy to let the British and Australian media make the running until their quarry is weakened. Eventually, one of the myriad American agencies with a stake in local media regulation will pluck up the courage to assemble all the evidence and put Murdoch to the “fit and proper person” test. Which is where the real fun will start. Meanwhile, the sudden departure of John Hartigan as boss of News Limited in Australia might now make more sense. Either he knew there was some very unpleasant stuff barrelling down the chute towards him, or the international Murdoch heavies realised they needed a fresh cleanskin in the CEO chair so he could run the “it-all-happened-before-my-time” defence.If the fallout does reach Australia, Hartigan’s successor Kim Williams may not be so lucky. Initially he could deflect any fresh allegations with an “I know nothing” shrug, but his recent long tenure as boss of Foxtel may now not seem such an impressive line on his CV. There’s another interesting Australian connection. When Rebekah Brooks had to be dumped last year as News International CEO in London at the height of the phone hacking dramas, Murdoch drafted in his veteran Australian fixer Tom Mockridge as the new boy with no bad backstory. But that strategy may now unravel as it emerges from The Independent investigation that Mockridge was at the helm of Sky Italia when it may have been involved in yet more shady dealings with encryption-card hackers. Through it all, Murdoch and his lieutenants around the world have persisted with the inverted morality that’s become almost style-of-house for the News empire and its outlets. They run the largest commercial media conglomerate in the world, yet portray themselves as victims. They complain of being unfairly attacked by their enemies (those damned “elites” again) while never hesitating to use their power to push agendas and pursue vendettas. “Easy to hit back hard, which is preparing” Murdoch posted yesterday. Indeed, Murdoch increasingly looks like the King Lear of Bel Air, tweeting against the tempest while his wives and children furtively position themselves to snaffle up whatever may be left of his crumbling empire. Last night he was still at it on Twitter, damning the AFR expose as “Proof you can’t trust anything in Australian Fairfax papers, unless you are just another crazy”. Still crazy after all these years? This will get ugly before it’s over.