Miles Scull

.... is not Arnold entitled to have experienced the same thing Moorman and others did?? Bill Miller No. Arnold is only entitled to have the glaring nonsensically of his account with its obvious absurdities. Let me introduce a new TERM into the discussion: Münchhausen syndrome by proxy It's clear that Arnold was suffering from this disorder. That Arnold suffered from this disorder is obvious when one notices that Arnold, via his concocted fable, is heroically saving himself from the abuse of hostile "others": the invented CIA figure & the invented cops who kicked Arnie when he was down. But, Duncan would say: To return to the topic: Go figure!

Hi Kathy, Good to see you posting! Keep it up! No, the troller who is making a big stinkie about it is none other than, tellingly, BM. Here's why: Arnie says that the parade was just going along just fine with nothing much unusual to notice, when suddenly KABOOM, Arnie thought he had been shot by a shot from behind that caused him to fall down. Notice Arnie is the hero of his tale. BM uses this fable to support the Arnie illusion in Moorman's photo. Can I borrow your gas mask?

I think this about says it all, Miles. I should say that Gary Mack has a vested interest, to say the least. His (mis)thinking assumes that Mary Moorman's hearing of anything has a bearing on what Arnie said he heard. What anyone else heard or did not hear does not change Arnie's self incriminating goof. And then consider the galloping illogicality of the rest of Arnie's fable. I think that says it all.

Nonsense. You miss the obvious point. Arnie makes zero mention of his having heard or noticed anything at all unusual, like the concussion detonation of a nearby rifle discharge cracking through air, UNTIL he heard the shot that was the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. So, as Arnie tells his fable, the FIRST shot was the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. A huge banana peel slip completely missed by you, BM.

Righto, Arnie forgot to mention that there was a big BOOM when the first shot was fired BEFORE the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. Arnie says that there was no big BOOM until he heard the first shot which was the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. Arnie goofed big time! Go back & listen again to A in TMWKK.

No. Arnie's story is a tall tale because he didn't realize or know that the first shot fired that day did not come from behind the picket fence. So, Arnie, as he tells his "story," forgets to mention that he heard a shot fired before the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. BM says Arnie just forgot about the first shot or missed it or thought it was a motorcycle backfire ( ), so to Arnie the first shot was the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. Arrant nonsense. So, Arnie was not in Dealey Plaza that day. OED

Good point. But Arnie said he heard a second shot fired over him when he was on the ground which came from behind the fence. Arnie said that the shot's reverberations began AFTER the first shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. So, according to Arnie there were no shots BEFORE the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear.

Duncan, BM has missed an obvious problem in Arnie's "story," which amounts to a major malfunction which destroys Arnie's credibility. Arnie says that he was shooting & panning the motorcade when he heard a shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. Hello! Arnie does not say that he heard a shot fired before this shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear. So, Arnie didn't hear any shots fired until he heard the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear? So, then, Arnie is saying that that shot (the shot fired from behind him that came past his left ear) was the first shot fired that day? Duncan, do elephants fly?

Duncan, Was there 2 or 3 or 4 feet from the fence a 24 inch high "Magic Dirt Mound?'' Not here: nor here: What do you make of this?

Duncan, By the way, here's a Bond 4 crop that shows a nice clean turf with zero dirt & zero dirt mound. Was there a "magic dirt mound" AND a "magic bullet?" Here's another re-enactment showing smooth, even contours to the ground in question. See any dirt mounds here? No. Arnie was a no show.

Duncan, If you closely examine this photo, you may see a strong clue as to its time stamp. As a sub-Competition to the topic, I ask: can you spot the clue? Just answer yes or no, but don't say what the clue is. Let's see if BM can spot it. There will be a new Magoo Award offered as well as a Hawk-eye Award offered.

Duncan, Right! Your study proves my case. Arnie sinks out of Moorman's view as he retreats from the wall to the fence. See: It's obvious. Somebody gets a Magoo with oak leaf clusters.

Duncan, As far as I know the photo has no provenance. However, there are indications of close proximity to the day in question. I'm sure you see them. Here's another shot of interest. We're talking blowing the Arnie illusion out of the turf, so to speak. See any "dirt"? Ain't none.

I, as you did, merely posted information that Gary had said to me personally. Gary can repeat it if he likes, but not necessary. Bill Duncan, What if the pic in question was contemporaneous? Or, yet even, snapped on Nov. 21? Oh Ho! I don't think BM can or should speak for Mack. BM will need to employ quoted citations from Mack as Robin does, or, obviously, its just the usual BM mumbo jumbo nonsense. Do you agree?

Duncan, You need say no more. What a howler by BM. By the way, have you forgotten your old work? See: This early shot of the area in question shows the ground conditions as they were on the day in question. See any "dirt mounds?" All I see is smooth green sward. You?

Addendum:

Consider the vanishing act.

ridiculous responses that can only be viewed as a bored man's pathetic plea for attention by trolling an education forum. Bill Miller Duncan, BM seems to be describing himself in his own words: "ridiculous responses that can only be viewed as a bored man's pathetic plea for attention by trolling an education forum." Here's the easy refutation of BM's perspective nonsense: The black line is Arnie. The green lines are Moorman's LOS from her position. The blue lines are a flat LOS. the purple lines are an elevated LOS. From these LOS' the image of Arnie will seem different in length, but the real Arnie vertical length will remain the same. Thus, Arnie's illusion image is not truncated by Moorman's lower LOS to the degree that Arnie's tiny illusion image is accounted for: Arnie, despite the perspective of Moorman's camera, is only explained as a real image by the absurdity of Arnie being airborne flying around in the parking lot.

is it that we need a newer photo? Bill Miller Duncan, Have you eyes to see? Or have you joined the opposition, who has devised an admittedly canny reality avoidance system: artificial blindness.

How many 3' walls above the upward grassy slope that have a sidewalk area are there??? Bill Miller Duncan, BM asks a profound question. But these images show a flat ground (no dirt mound) behind the wall. Note the men, red & green arrows. Then consider how tiny the Arnie illusion figure is in comparison. Somebody is not listening.

Duncan, Can you explain why BM is overlooking the obvious evidence proving that Arnie is an illusion? Arnie's got to be floating around in the parking lot. Terminal Magoo?

Duncan, BM seems to be asserting that if one makes an error, then ignoring it will not evade the consequence of its claim being flawed. I have to agree. But if an error is flawed, then its flaw might be that it is not really an error, but is really the truth disguised as an error. Thus, BM is really saying that Arnie is an obvious illusion, just as the barrel between the fence slats is an obvious nonsense. Do you read it this way? Note the huge size of the people behind the wall when compared to tiny Arnie in this shot: (Note BM is examining the curb & not the wall. An error on BM's part.) (Note, also, Arnie's view of the motorcade as in the inset, upper left corner. Arnie can't see anything. )

Duncan, BM is afraid of this: As Arnie retreats from the wall & moves up the incline toward the fence, his figure as seen by Moorman falls lower & lower behind the wall. First his waist disappears & then his torso above his waist. Institutionalization seems unavoidable. Do you concur, Duncan?

Duncan, Have you considered institutionalization? Carefully examine the Titans in this shot:

This about size it up?