Kathleen Collins

I don't know the technology or methodology that would make the lamp pole seem to lean or not. But watching that gif I saw a change in the pole's slant. If you move the video down so only the top of the lamp is present, you can see its "movement" (for lack of a better word). Dems my 2 cents. Kathy C

What puzzles me is if they were sheep-dipping Oswald as a Commie (which I believe), who lived several years in Russia, came back with a Russian bride, sided with Castro -- why didn't the ones working on the Oswald scenario give him a decent gun? How could he shoot anybody with that piece of junk? Just give him a decent gun. That was a mistake. Kathy C

I know of others who saw the original film. They are Greg Burnham, Rich Dellarosa (3 times). Robert Morningstar claims to have the real film. From an old copy he found the turn onto Elm St. It's probably on youtube. Kathy C

Thanks for weighing in. But, as is often the case with your posts, you are missing the main point ---in this case, the main point of the Wall Street Journal editorial, which you criticize by bringing up a host of irrelevancies (to which, apparently in the interest of pedagogy, you assign numbers). But Pat Speer: here's the bottom line: If Smith writes something negative about Jones, and some unhinged supporters of Smith's view then come out of the woodwork and threaten Jones' welfare, or even Jones' life, is that the responsibility of Smith? Should he be seen as a provocateur in a murder plot? Or someone expressing his views in the realm of free speech? This issue is about free speech, and defining the "legal landscape" in that area of life. The lawyer defending McAdams sees that very clearly, and his letters are really quite impressive. This case is not about whether McAdams is a nice guy, by this or that person's standard; or whether he "should have known better" etc. Instead of providing us with a catalogue of irrelevancies, I suggest you go back and read your Voltaire. FWIW: I too regret that an assortment of Internet creeps came out of the woodwork, and threatened Cheryl Abatto's well being. And that's apparently what happened. But there's another principle here, that's what the courts are going to have to address, and that was the focus of the Wall Street Journal editorial. So again, instead of making numbered lists, go read Voltaire. DSL 5/7/16 - 3 p.m. PDT Los Angeles, California Sorry, but talk about condescension! I'm well-read and have a BA in English. Unfortunately I never read Voltaire and I bet that's the case with most members here. So what is the name of the work you refer to and how does it relate? Kathy C

Why is this forum exxxing out the word "xxxx"? Cruz is saying this, not me. Kathy C

I guess no one cares about Beckham's ear. Anyway, reading a story in the Enquirer, Trump has stated that Cruz's father was seen with Lee Harvey Oswald, giving out fliers for Castro's Cuba. There are at least 2 pictures showing Cruz with Oswald. Trump sees this as a weird history of a presidential candidate. I didn't read the article, but I know that these tabloids report things that are more true than not. People don't want to acknowledge this. Imagine a candidate for President, having his father involved in the worst thing to happen to this country. Kind of like -- George W. Bush becoming President knowing what his father did. His father, too, was involved very much with the assassination. The father, too, was a President, crying all the time, puking in Japan. We need another Republican like that? I don't blame Trump for talking about it. I haven't heard Cruz discuss this claim. He came out this morning calling Trump a pathological xxxx and a narcissist. Guess who I'm voting for: Trump. Kathy C

Ray, this might be the same link. It's David Lifton's theories and findings. He wrote Best Evidence, which says Kennedy's body was altered between Parkland and Bethesda. This was the first book that said this. He doesn't believe J.D.Tippit's body was switched with Kennedy's. https://www.youtube.com/user/nightfri... http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=48091&r...Best… YOUTUBE.COM I know Brent Holland did a show with Joseph McBride who wrote a book on Tippit. But I can't find it. ************ David, thank you for the info about the reburial of President Kennedy. I didn't know McNamara was there. There was a famous Archbishop there as well. Jackie showed up afterwards. The National Guard was there that night, all over the cemetery. Kathy C

Ray, I will try to find the show for you. It's one of Brent Holland's night shows. I think he has a Facebook following. I looked at the stare of death photo. You cannot see his nipples. Above that I don't see any scars. Kathy C

The Oxnard call was first said to be made by Karyn Kupcinet to Chicago to her father. Greg Parker figured out what it was and it had no bearing on Karyn. This girl had no luck. Her father found a mobster who knew Jack Ruby, who was originally from Chicago. At the time that Ruby shot Oswald the Mob did not want to be associated with the Assassination. Later they bragged they did it. Anyway, Irv Kupcinet was a TV talk show host and columnist with the Chicago Sun-Times. He tracked down Paul Dorfman, who owned a home in Palm Springs; around 8 am PT. He informed Dorfman that this Rubinstein just shot Oswald. Now, you talk about coincidences. Karyn Kupcinet was in Palm Springs that weekend also. I believe the Mob bumped her off to send Kup a message to stop investigating the assassination. Her death was never solved. She died 4 days after Oswald and wasn't found until 3 days later. Did she OD? There was no vomit found at the scene, no drinking glass. The police found 2 sets of prints never identified. The coroner who performed the autopsy said Karyn died of a broken hyoid bone. Three years later 2 women were exhumed that he had worked on. One woman he said was decapitated. She wasn't. Another woman died of natural causes, not strangulation. The Coroner was quoted as saying, "Well, at least I didn't break the hyoid bone on that one." He is described as being a drunk. So now we really don't know what she died from. In the 80's I was a professional astrologer. So I am going to look into her death to see if it is related to President Kennedy's death or Oswald's regarding sidereal time. FWIW, I spoke to a psychic about Karyn's death in 1996. She said there was a tall, dark man there and he was there because of addiction. He spoke 2 languages. The only thing missing from her house, which looked ransacked, were 100 methamphetamine pills, desoxyn. I learned that later on. I bring her up because Penn Jones Jr wrote that Karyn was the one who made the Oxnard call and that she had foreknowledge of the assassination, which she did not. Kathy C

Can anyone see the shooter in the upper left corner? It looks like he's leaning on a white car and is shooting.

Thank you, Michael. I am going to watch it again later. While we're on the subject of the Holocaust, 2 Kennedy researchers have come out of the closet, so to speak, as Holocaust Revisionists: Jim Fetzer and Robert Morrow. Len Colby is just the opposite as he quoted Fetzer on his signature saying, "I don't think there were 6 million Jews in all of Europe at that time." To that effect. Read his signatures as they are very funny -- he quotes people. Kathy C

The original plan was, indeed, to transport JFK's casket to Bethesda via helicopter, as we can hear on the Air Force One tapes (below). But the plan was changed prior to AF1 landing at Andrews, due (no doubt) to the fact that somebody realized the difficulty there would be if they tried to jam JFK's very heavy and cumbersome casket onto a helicopter. So an ambulance/hearse was used instead. There's certainly nothing conspiratorial or sinister about that change in plans whatsoever. In fact, it was a very sensible and prudent change that almost certainly had to be made. And the answer to the #2 question above is quite simple --- President Kennedy's body got to Bethesda by way of the gray Navy ambulance. Millions of people watching television saw the casket being placed into that ambulance. (Why was that second question even asked?) ~shrug~ Below are excerpts from the AF1 radio transmissions concerning the "chopper" and the later realization by members of the Kennedy party aboard Air Force One that ground transportation would be needed to replace the chopper: Air Force One Radio Excerpts (November 22, 1963) More.... jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/aircraft-radio-transmissions-11-22-63.html Whose face is that in the window of the ambulance? Is it a reflection? Kathy C

Though it's overwritten and mentions every triviality of that weekend, Death of a President by William Manchester describes Jackie throughout Nov.22, '63 and Nov. 23. The book is interesting in degrees. Sections are fascinating and much is unknown to the average reader. Kathy C

In acknowledgement of Brad, but not to break the thread here, I just want to say I was once, decades ago, a professional astrologer. I don't do charts anymore. Too much work for too little money. I never bull-s------ anyone. Kathy C

Yes, I believe TMWKK adds a lot to the discussion. Especially "The Guilty Men," which the History Channel never repeated because of fears of a law suit. It's an eerie episode. You can see it on youtube. Kathy C

I want to defend Jackie Kennedy. If she was afraid of being shot like her husband, would she get up on the trunk of the car in a pink suit where everyone could see her? In my opinion, she was not trying to "escape." The best thing she could have done would be to duck down with the President's head on her lap. There has been much discussion here that the shots came from inside the car. Maybe when the shots hit their target (JFK) the sound was in the car. There is one forum on the Internet filled with people who believe Jackie killed her husband with a small gun under his chin because she was trained by MKUltra. And some believe the driver shot Kennedy. There are people who believe it was a fake assassination and that Kennedy survived and went to Hyannis Port and later, when Jackie married Ari, he died in Greece on a private island and was buried at sea. The best evidence (excuse me, David Lifton) to me is the Nix film. There is a white car with its back toward Elm St on the grassy knoll. It looks like the shooter is leaning on the front open passenger door and shooting at the limo with a rifle. You can see this in the enhanced, enlarged copy of the film on youtube. If you look at the Bell film after the assassination, the car is no longer there. Kathy C

Is it me (it probably is) or is there a device in "Beckham's" ear in the profile shot? Kathy C

I never heard that the limo stopped west of Stemmons. I heard that the car came to a stop and Kennedy was hit. This was near the stairs -- East of Stemmons.

Ray and others, Here are 2 links to an Internet radio show which discussed the body moving, etc. It's Brent Holland, host. https://www.youtube.com/user/nightfri... http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=48091&r.. Kathy C

In the autopsy photo, where they have Kennedy sitting or standing up, his ear is exactly the same as President Kennedy's. There are other things -- his hair color -- Jackie took a lock of it. The amount of hair he has. Tippit's hairline was receding. Kennedy had so much hair. I believe Robert Morningstar started this. He's a bit like David Icke, somewhat psychic. Kathy C

Ray, here is a link to the Stare of Death photo and you can see a mole on his left shoulder. http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/autopsy.htm Kathy C

This is an excerpt from LewRockwell.com, November 17, 2014 used for educational reasons. "Immediately after JFK’s assassination, Liggett was called while at work at Restland Funeral Home. He rushed to Parkland, calling his wife only once to let her know that he had been asked to work on the President and that he would call her, she shouldn’t try to call him. According to Billie Sol Estes, in his book Billie Sol Estes — A Texas Legend, Liggett left Restland with an assistant, taking a body that had been stored in the morgue that was similar to JFK’s body and prepared to look like a rear head shot was the cause of death. Estes stated that the second body was used to create false evidence and that photographs, x-rays and even the complete brain from that cadaver were substituted for JFK’s autopsy 'records' in order to re-frame the documents to conform to the official story; moreover, he stated that all of this was sent first to the White House before being sent to the FBI, the Warren Commission and the National Archives. "According to Estes, the 'other body' was taken to Washington on a private jet. If that story is true, it is a possible explanation of the provenance of the discrepancies that exist in photographs and x-rays which could not have been taken of Kennedy’s head. It might also explain the enigma, noted elsewhere, of the supposed existence of JFK’s complete brain, weighing 1500 grams, more than an average male brain, as reported by several authors; that is impossible, since most of his brain had been blown out the back of his head, much of it splattering the motorcycle policeman B. J. Martin in the process. The scenario that I previously portrayed, in LBJ: The Mastermind, had been based partly on David Lifton’s early research, but I independently concluded that JFK’s body was moved to a shipping crate and put on 'Air Force 2.' I have since reevaluated that, based upon Lifton’s latest research, pending publication, which clarifies that and proves that JFK’s body was indeed simply moved to the cargo hold of Air Force One immediately upon delivery of the ornate casket, while the Kennedy party was still on the tarmac. Lifton explained his findings at an address in November, 2013, at Bismarck State University, which is available for viewing on a Youtube video. "Mr. Lifton has recently advised me that his latest work, now underway, will address this point further as he has obtained additional information on how JFK’s body was moved to Washington. Researcher / author Doug Horne has also written what is arguably the most detailed, meticulously documented account of the events on Air Force One and Bethesda Naval Hospital ever written to date: The AF1 Tapes and Subsequent Events at Andrews AFB on November 22, 1963: What Was Supposed to Happen vs. What Did Happen at the Future of Freedom Foundation website. As I previously noted, the overall story portrayed does not hinge on which of these scenarios was the true and complete one, the details of which may never be known with absolute certainty. The one thing that is certain is that the 'official' version described by the Warren Commission cannot be reconciled with the numerous contradictions which have already been identified in a number of books and summarized here. "According to Episode 7 (The Smoking Guns) of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, a day after the assassination, John Liggett returned home, unshaven, disheveled and very tired. According to his wife, “he looked like he had been in a traumatic event.” Yet he immediately took his wife and three step-children to Austin and San Antonio, talking briefly and furtively to men he met at each stop as he rushed from Dallas to these other cities, even getting a speeding ticket between Dallas and Austin. He then took the family on to Corpus Christi, where on Sunday morning they watched Jack Ruby shoot Oswald on live television. Upon seeing that stunning event, he turned to his wife and said calmly, “Everything’s OK now. . . and you could just see his face, it was like all the pressure had been taken off of him.” Shortly after the assassination, John Liggett came into a lot of money and bought an expensive Dallas home and then became the host of numerous high-stakes poker parties. At one of these parties, the daughter of Lois Liggett, Debra Godwin, stated that David Ferrie — who was a long-time acquaintance, and a short-time 'handler' of Lee Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans — appeared, and that John said he had known him while he served in the Civil Air Patrol." ---------- Mortician Liggett was considered the best cosmetician in the country. Did he actually use J.D. Tippit's body to disguise him as Kennedy so it would look like the bullets came from the back and up. Kathy C

Greg, Are you saying that there was no "back-and-to-the-left" head snap? That the edited Z film just makes it appear there was? Yes. Greg, when everyone moved forward in the car, it was because Agent Greer hit the brake.

Douglas, this is a rare time when I disagree with you. First It looks like Hunt is the tramp. And Harrelson is there, smirking and having a urine stain on his pant leg. The other man's identity has never been satisfied. He definitely is not Sturgis. The man in the raincoat attire looks like Hunt also. Supposedly Hunt said he was in the postal annex (I think it's called) on a high floor watching the assassination with binoculars. I don't know which is true, if either. But there is a tramp photo where Dorothy Hunt, Howard's wife, is in the picture with her hand to her mouth as if shocked while looking at the 3 tramps. The 2 of them in the same picture. Kathy C

But I, too, think the Kennedy Assassination is the crime of the century. It certainly was for Americans when the boys were killed and maimed in Viet Nam. Kathy C