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    Skull and Bones and the Assassination of JFK

    Trine Day's book about Skull and Bones - FLESHING OUT SKULL AND BONES - is a decent read, but may be out of print, I'm not sure. This thread reminds me I need to read that John Allen Stern book about Jackson that came out not too long ago. We could use more volumes about those figures, I think.
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    Surprised there is no discussion on this

    Jones has become even more of a bizarre tabloid jerk than usual over the past few years. He used to invite a lot of semi-credible researchers on (say a decade or so ago), and I'm fairly sure Peter Dale Scott, Jim Marrs, Joan Mellen and others were interviewed. Scott was interviewed a few times, and allowed to talk at length, with Jones simply adding an "Hmm hmm.. oh really.. okay.." as Scott discussed some topic at length. Then Jones went off the deep end and ramped up the tabloid discussion. Intentionally, I feel. There was always a tabloid element to the show. He decided (or was asked - he gets funding from various places) to push things into the realms of the bizarre. Some of those realms involves taking real conspiracies and dwelling on them in the most tabloid way possible. At other times he'll push stuff that is purely cloud cuckoo. David Icke and his theories about the global elites being descended from lizards, as an example. Jesse Ventura interviewed Icke for the second or third series of his CONSPIRACY THEORY TV show, and it went as badly as you'd probably expect, with Ventura simply asking what the hell Icke thought he was talking about. Others could probably analyse why Jones has decided to do this in a smarter way than I could. I can see a few different possibilities, but wouldn't care to pick one at the moment. But the quote discussed here, about him 'getting' Mueller, possibly has to be viewed in the context of the clip embedded in the Newsweek article up top. Ennio Morricone's music from THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY starts up. Jones then says, 'politically, this is high noon!', and pretends to be a gunslinger from the movie. He's not miming pointing an assault rifle at Mueller and committing an ugly crime. He's miming being some dopey cowboy wearing a Stetson hat and being quickest on the draw while the two of them stand off in the middle of the town square. All this is while Morricone's music plays on the soundtrack throughout the whole bit. If the music wasn't there and Jones had mimed aiming a rifle, I'd wonder if he was trying to be taken off the air. But the "I'm gonna get ya, kapow!" rant with Morricone's theme scoring him like the world's craziest Texan hero is hard to take too seriously. If he'd announced thereafter that he was going to get his best gal by his side and ride off into the sunset on his horse, it would have been in keeping with the rest of the rant. It's still a dumb thing to say about a former FBI director. Jones has also had John Williams' ominous Star Wars theme for Darth Vader - the one heard throughout THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - as the introductory musical theme of his show, depicting his struggle against the 'evil empire' while he sells his vitality pills and gregariously does dumb bits in-between interviews with various folk. I view his gunslinger comments about Mueller as just another bit. Although you'd think he'd understand it would be an unwise thing to say, whatever the context. Re the beyond weird Pizzagate allegations that have flowed through the mainstream media over the past year or two, there were credible - but weird - stories about abuse rings in the UK and UK, and odd goings on linking back to Jeffrey Epstein, Clinton (Bill) and a couple of royals on board various flights visiting Epstein's island for fun, and DAILY MAIL stories covering UK celebs bumping up against the Jimmy Saville cover-up in a weird way, but all those stories have long since been buried amid the gallons of crap peddled by Jones about Mueller and his cohorts in government kidnapping children by the dozens for satanic rituals and the like. So, again, Jones will take something that is 10% credible or based on a story about something that happened, then inflate it into a big fat tabloid balloon that he can float over the viewership. Some years back Jones was talking about doing a movie on the JFK assassination, and had interviewed Jim Marrs and some others for it. At this point I'm glad he never got that project off the ground.
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    New book: At the Cold Shoulder of History

    The release date may change. It's a Trine Day volume but not currently listed on the Trine Day site, though I'm sure it will be eventually. Mal Hyman's JFK volume, which is on the Trine Day site, is listed for the same date. https://www.amazon.com/Burying-Lead-Media-JFK-Assassination/dp/1634241878/ref=pd_sbs_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1634241878&pd_rd_r=cf8ce77d-a991-11e8-ab28-01ad97aa66bb&pd_rd_w=ZIMAZ&pd_rd_wg=OQsbZ&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=0bb14103-7f67-4c21-9b0b-31f42dc047e7&pf_rd_r=P0H56MHSNF09A7YDZVZ1&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=P0H56MHSNF09A7YDZVZ1
  4. Chris Lightbown’s book is reportedly imminent, and due out in October. I’ll be getting it. It’s a hardcover, and the publisher has also scheduled a future paperback edition for next year, so I’m presuming it’s a real thing and we’ll be seeing it in October. Lightbown is a forum member from the Simkin days, and the book is called THE STRANGE DEATH OF JFK.
  5. Emma Best's work is usually fairly solid, and not to be easily dismissed, but I'm kind of dumbfounded that this line appears in the article If Best is going to go over things related to the JFK assassination forensically, I can think of at least one section of the above quote that probably isn't as watertight as she thinks it is.
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    Gene Wheaton

    The phone number for Ehling's production company is (651) 645-0005. He has a LinkedIn page, a decent presence online, plus the various links that Tom posted above. Hopefully things can happen with whatever he's filmed.
  7. The National Archives have just released the first batch of long awaited 2017 JFK documents, with more to follow. 3810 documents have been released, 441 of those were previously withheld in full, the rest present unredacted versions of previously censored documents. The first batch comes to many gigabytes of material. I'm on a phone so can't post a link but there is a lot of stuff now awaiting the attention of researchers. JFK Facts has the story and Jeff Morley is going through documents and will update the site with info soon. It's happening folks.
  8. Lisa Pease's book on the RFK assassination, A LIE TOO BIG TO FAIL, will be released in September. It has an intro by James DiEugenio and he spoke highly of it last week on Black Op Radio. Lisa knows her stuff and has been researching the event deeply for years. This should be a very worthwhile volume.
  9. James Lateer, the author of the new Trine Day book THE THREE BARONS - THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART OF THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION, has started posting over at Deep Politics Forum, just a little. His whole theory is apparently about (ex)Nazis planning JFK's murder. William Kelly has done a couple of good blogs on the links between Dealey Plaza and the Valkyrie plot, and Albarelli's upcoming book looks of interest. That said, the reviews of Lateer's book on Amazon are not great. Interesting topic.
  10. As Jim says, Boot is a notorious neoconservative, and Kagan is little better. A funny story. Several years back, Jon Stewart appeared on the Crossfire show with Tucker Carlson. Stewart detested the show and tore Carlson and his co-host apart on air. The Crossfire show was cancelled shortly afterwards. Carlson had been a prolific cheerleader for the Bush administration and the Iraq war, so this was no great loss at the time. That incident is viewable on Youtube. By his own admission (in an interview I saw with him elsewhere), Carlson suffered something of a crisis of the soul after this. He took some time off, reflected upon the extent of his earlier pro-war cheerleading, and toned down his schtick. When Carlson started his show up again at Fox, he was no longer inclined to support every neoconservative statement. In fact, he'd become openly critical of the pro-war stance a lot of them still held. THE ROAD NOT TAKEN author Boot - who was a bigger cheerleader for the Iraq war at the time than Carlson, and who remains a pro-war agitator now - appeared on Carlson's new show several months ago. Carlson had become sick of the pro-war stance of the neocons, and Boot was visibly angry that Carlson had changed his ways (even if only to a degree). The result was one of the most striking on-air clashes that I saw last year. The neoconservatives rarely get taken to task in this manner on television, and I suspect this threw Boot off even more. Whether or not you like Carlson, this was a striking debate, very different from the usual bluster you'd see from guys like O'Reilly. Notice too at the beginning, Carlson includes a clip of Robert Baer, the (untrustworthy, I believe) ex-CIA agent who was pushing that bogus Oswald documentary a few months back. Baer is also pushing neocon talking points these days. Justin Raimondo, at the Antiwar site, did a post-mortem of the interview that was pretty on target. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/07/13/tucker-carlson-neocon-slayer/ At this point, Boot and Kagan appear to be cheering each other on, hoping for more war. Kagan actually did an interview during the past election cycle where he criticised Obama for not wanting to pursue a 'survivable' nuclear first strike with other countries. God knows what ridiculous propaganda we'll see from these idiots next.
  11. The film project I'm doing is a long history of spaghetti westerns, put together with the assistance of US writer Tom Betts, who ran the American magazine WESTERNS ALL' ITALIANA. It's a long, review based project with lengthy credits and filmographies and info about multiple movies. Italian writer Roberto Curti helps every so often with advice and feedback, and UK writer Jason Slater (who knows the guy) offered to get Franco Nero to write a foreword. The book is multi-volume and won't be ready for years though. The complete credits of the movies (minus the reviews) runs for more than 200 pages - the review text and info runs for hundreds of pages more. It's like a crazy hobby.
  12. Paz, no I don't, not really, but I've spent the past 8 years researching Italian westerns for a film project and I have a couple of Italian-language books on that subject, so a bit has sunk in. Google translate also gives me a head start though and I tidied things up a bit from there.
  13. Paz will know more than me, obviously. Edgardo Pellegrini is listed as a journalist for Paese Sera. He wrote the 1973 book Gli Ermellini da Guardia: Magistratura e repression in Italia 1968 - 1973, which is listed in Ernest Mandel's book Power and Money as part of the literature on 'state-induced massacres covered up by the Italian judiciary'. Pellegrini's (Italian language) book is here - https://www.amazon.it/ermellini-guardia-Magistratura-repressione-1968-1973/dp/B00BAT6XHO The following articles confirm Paz's comment about Pellegrini and the Garrison case. The article below talks about the May 1970 book Strage di Stato [State Massacre], which was a volume assembled by investigative journalists on the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing. After the bombing, hundreds of figures on the left 'gathered information, testimonies and statements to provide an interpretative key to the events different from the official one'. Information on the bombing, and the surrounding events, was gathered from all levels of society. Pellegrini was one of the sources of information from Rome. Throughout the 60's (and through the years of the Garrison investigation), Pellegrini had written for the 'foreign section' of the left-wing L'Unita newspaper. Under the pseudonym of 'Samuel Evergood', Pellegrini had written various 'correspondences from the United States' (all of which were actually written by him in Rome) that had been sourced from various contacts within the USA. So, when L'Unita was covering the Garrison case, Pellegrini was the guy who would have covered those US-based stories on the assassination, and who would have directly contacted figures in the US for information on what was occurring. When the Piazza Fontana bombing occurred in December 1969, Pellegrini would have only just finished covering Garrison’s trial several months earlier. http://www.magzine.it/una-strage-di-stato/ The article states Michele Metta talks about Strage di Stato, and Pellegrini's involvement, here. http://www.lantidiplomatico.it/dettnews-il_centro_mondiale_commerciale_ed_il_caso_pasolini__parte_seconda/82_19442/ In a commemorative edition of Strage di Stato, Pellegrini added an appendix where he discussed how he'd stumbled across Clay Shaw's membership of CMC-Permindex. At the 1995 conference mentioned by Paz, Pellegrini was asked about the genesis of Strage di Stato. Pellegrini responded that the group assembling the book had been inspired by the earlier examples of Jim Garrison and Mark Lane. Strage di Stato was published on May 13th 1970, amid various concerts, lectures and theatrical performances, and was a big success. It sold 20,000 copies immediately, and another 20,000 copies were printed two months later, in July 1970. By 1971 there were five editions, and that fifth edition contained additional commentary. The book was reprinted continuously up to 1977, by which point Strage di Stato had sold half a million copies. And Pellegrini says the book was directly inspired by the work of Garrison and Lane. This is no small thing.
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    Judyth Vary Baker

    Walt Brown goes through Baker’s book ME AND LEE on a nearly page-by-page basic throughout the first volume of his lengthy JFK ebook chronology (titled ‘Dynasty’, it runs up to the night before JFK’s murder). That book by Walt runs for more than 1500 pages, and he devotes probably 200 of them to Baker’s claims, comparing them to other news reports and testimony and events, and judging whether Baker’s book is credible. Before the end, Brown apologises to the reader for dragging them through Baker’s book, as her stories are so clearly fictional. It’s always nice to see new research and archival material pop up, but after reading Brown’s lengthy excoriation of her work, Baker’s claims do very little for me.
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    I would have preferred to encourage the author to look at some alternative viewpoints. Ah well. I'm open to reading thoughtful novels on the assassination. I've half a mind to write one myself one day. It'd take a while though. You'd have to do justice to the project as a work of fiction, and justice as best as one could to the real data and research about the assassination. Neither goal would be an easy one, and you'd be stuck with an audience of researchers who are less interested in JFK assassination fiction than they are non-fiction, and an audience of fiction readers who might not appreciate a deep run through the real-life (perhaps footnoted) events of the sort that get discussed here on this board. No wonder it's not done very often.
  16. The National Archives have released 3539 documents in their final release for 2017. They start here. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release?page=1 If you follow the archive page numbers at the link, the new documents run up to page 85. Many were previously withheld in full. I saw (and read through) some William Harvey interview material. There may be some potential goofs. This document linked here is repeated over the final few pages seemingly dozens of times. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/jbpp-001-002.pdf If interesting pieces pop up, I'll post what I encounter. EDIT - Missed that this was already in the main topic thread. Feel free to delete this one.
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    New document releases 2017

    John McCone memorandum for LBJ redacts long paragraph discussing a "very sensitive effective operation working in Mexico City... which involved telephone surveillance and was being done in a most careful manner with his knowledge and with the assistance of a few of his trusted officials." https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0001-10445.pdf Fat redaction in this minutes of meeting of the Special Group, August 1962. Colonel Steakley is present for the stuff they don't want us to know about. https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0003-10016.pdf Big Rockefeller report, previously withheld in full, on Dominican Republic, Trujilo etc. Only thing redacted is who sent it, and a small crypt on top of page 2.https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0003-10244.pdfSame report pops top again. Stuff redacted from above file is back in and readable. Some new stuff is redacted, and the new stuff redacted as (as far as I can tell) stuff that you can read in the first document.https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0003-10387.pdf Interesting, previously withheld report on MK-NAOMI, CIA poisoning operations. Some stuff redacted, but not all.https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0004-10087.pdf Big long list of crypts and pseudonyms, with lots of redactions, suggestive details. The Walter C. Wicker name for a Mr E.H. Hunt was compromised in December 1960. You just know that page 1 was full of stuff John Newman could have used for his book. Can we take the guy from the archives who scanned it out for drinks and get him drunk, ask him if he remembers a few?https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0142-10313.pdf File review of Ricardo Morales Navarette. "Indicates Morales of interest to FBI, BNDD and CIA simultaneously. Morales said he was recently in contact with the "Chief of the Latin American Desk" at the CIA and his last name was the same as Morales." Referring to David?https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0143-10345.pdfApprovals on project passing between folks like William Harvey and Clare Booth Luce in July 1963. Some redactions.https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...0143-10362.pdf
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    Larry Crafard, employee of Ruby until 11-23-63

    Researcher Hasan Yusuf (a very friendly guy) mentioned to me at the ROKC Melbourne conference last year that Crafard played a significant role in Greg Parker's overall thesis about the assassination. He mentioned a couple of specifics, which I won't paraphrase as I'll probably get the details wrong. I helped out Greg a little with the editing of his first volume on Oswald, but haven't yet had the time to dig into the second volume or Greg's updated compilation of both works.
  19. I saw Oliver Stone mention that on Facebook, in a post he made about RECLAIMING PARKLAND. I’m keen to read whatever eventuates.
  20. Great, thank Joseph, will check this out. I’ll also post the link on Twitter when I get a chance. My posts and links on the files there have been gaining a surprising amount of traffic - a recently BAFTA nominated director began following me solely due to JFK stuff, which was surprising.
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    New document releases 2017

    I wonder if they just misspelled ‘fired’. ‘Fried’ is good too though.
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    Witten's report on Oswald in Mexico just released

    I didnt see any redactions in this version. I could be wrong. I’d never heard of Wilcott’s testimony till this morning btw. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/secclass/pdf/Wilcott_3-22-78.pdf
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    New document releases 2017

    Guerrero is also mentioned in this document below (released earlier, I believe). It ends with authorities trying to ascertain if he worked at the Benjamin Franklin Library on the day of Kennedy's murder. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32125890.pdf
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    New document releases 2017

    Lots of FBI stuff. Didn’t see any CIA.
  25. I can’t interpret what this is and would like further comment. Denis Moricet reportedly just received this from NARA (how?). It’s a Garrison-era recording, either of Ferrie or of someone reading a Ferrie statement. Important - on YouTube, adjust the playback settings to a slightly faster playback speed, as this audio is slowed somewhat.