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    David Morales

    David Atlee Phillips admitted in passing monitoring the Russians and Cubans when Oswald contacted their embassies, in his posthumously published book Secret Wars Diary (1989). With his sources in the embassies, not to mention the surveillance apparatus in place, Phillips could have easily been observing Oswald in real time - or getting contemporaneous reports. Steve
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    Zach Robertson

    Bank it...
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    'Ron Cross' and 'Lt Col. Charles Crest'

    Paul, George Joannides was a CIA case officer. Assets and agents have case officers. Kent/Gupton may have had a supervisory position over Joannides, but that is not certain. I don't think Kent would be considered Joannides's case officer in any sense. From what is known about JM/WAVE, Joannides likely reported to Helms, Phillips, Ted Shackley, and Dave Morales, depending on the project. Steve
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    Paul, Thanks for the kind words. I always enjoy your contributions here. You'd think Angleton & Phillips might like each other, both being bright, talented writers, WWII vets, & rising stars in the early Agency years. But somehow, animus crept in. In his bio The Night Watch, Phillips describes Angleton in very unflattering terms. He also wrote that he didn't see or meet Angleton until Phillips was at HQ as Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division in the early 1970's, which is almost assuredly not true. For one, Anne Goodpasture places both of them at a retirement party for their mutual friend Win Scott in 1969 (see Jeff Morley's book Our Man in Mexico). If you read Angleton's Congressional testimonies, he says Phillips was honest but not a very good operations officer. Quite a slam putting that on the record. I found another source where Phillips warned a fellow officer that Angleton was dangerous & to be avoided. So in my view, a natural question would be: Why did these two paragons of intelligence seemingly not like each other? It could easily be attributed to personality differences. Or, it could be a work-related point of contention. Mexico City & the files of Lee Harvey Oswald appear to be a point where their professional interests could have intersected. Phillips was working on at least one anti-FPCC operation which very well might have targeted or used Oswald in some way, with DRE assets in New Orleans, or in Mexico City. Angleton and his CI/SIG office had exclusive access to both the Cuban & Russian components of Oswald's file. (See John Newman's book Oswald & the CIA, & Lisa Pease's essay on Angleton in The Assassinations for a primer there.) For me, it's hard to draw any firm conclusions on the implications of Veciana's new statement. If in fact Phillips was meeting Oswald in Dallas, it could have been an authorized anti-FPCC operation (or some other legitimate purpose). If Phillips knew Oswald was to be involved in some way with the assassination of JFK, it would be terrible tradecraft to be seen with Oswald. Phillips took accusations & heat for years for his alleged meeting with Oswald in Dallas. Whether Oswald was the source of the mutual disdain Phillips & Angleton seemed to have shared is up for debate. More research is needed on both men relative to Oswald & each other. Larry Hancock's analysis in this thread is a nice starting point & seems to make good sense to me. As for Harvey & Hunt running the JFK assassination, I'm not sure. In this Forum, David Sanchez Morales & Rip Robertson have been suggested as reasonable candidates to have run any such operation - if one actually existed. James Richards, Zach Robertson, Lee Forman, & Larry Hancock have the best posts on that speculative subject throughout the Education Forum (and Larry on his blog - I don't have the link handy). I'd definitely recommend searching their posts & reviving any threads of interest with your always on-point questions. Thanks for your interest - as well as that of Chris, Tommy, Larry & others viewing & posting on this timely & unresolved topic. Keep it up. -- Steve
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    Paul, Those are good observations. Phillips and Angleton did not like each other which can be conclusively verified in several written sources. Such a fallout could be personality differences, or the fact that one of them felt wronged by the other for a legitimate operation surrounding Oswald (say an anti-FPCC operation, which existed) that was later co-opted by another faction or department within the agency. All educated speculation of course and likely impossible to resolve at this date. But who knows? Many thought that the Bishop issue was hopeless and here we are with fresh information to discuss from 11/22/13. Stranger things, indeed ... We should all consider that Phillips meeting Veciana and Oswald, if in fact true, may actually cut against Phillips's knowing involvement in 11/22/63, for the obvious reason that no operations officer worth his salt (and Phillips by all accounts was a pillar) would meet an asset they knew would later be used as an assassin or patsy, depending on one's view of Oswald. The counter argument could be that Phillips was incredibly sloppy, which doesn't seem to be his style. Brash & self-motivated, maybe, but not careless & self-destructive, by most accounts. As well - we should not necessarily fault Antonio Veciana for not speaking earlier. He was shot in the head in 1976 in what was described as an assassination attempt, shortly after testifying to Congress. What would you do after that? Keep digging. Who knows what other skeletons may creep up? -- Steve
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    Larry, I'm seeking Dan Hardway's permission to post further corroboration. Steve
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    On November 22, 2013, Antonio Veciana confirmed in writing that David Atlee Phillips was the man he knew as Maurice Bishop and who met Oswald in September 1963. Letter below courtesy of Dan Hardway and Marie Fonzi. As Dan Hardway rightly noted today - why didn't Veciana confirm this in 1978 when it could have blown the case wide open? For the nonmembers who can't view attachments, the letter says: --- November 22, 2013 Dear Marie Fonzi: You may publish the following statement from me: "Maurice Bishop, my CIA contact agent was David Atlee Phillips. Phillips or Bishop was the man I saw with Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas on September 1963." Best regards, [Antonio Veciana signature] Antonio Veciana --- This seems quite significant. It still holds true that multiple officers used the names Maurice and Morris Bishop, but Veciana's clear admission that Phillips was the Bishop he knew and who he saw with Oswald has wide implications. - Steve
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    Ted Shackley on recruiting foreign agents

    Nice find, David. Shackley was the expert. - Steve
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    Harry Dean: Memoirs

    There are a few documents at the National Archives JFK Collection on Harry J. Dean that aren't on www.MaryFerrell.org. There is also one HSCA document on Dean that is "postponed in full". It is a 1977 memo to Robert K. Tanenbaum, chief investigator under Richard Sprague, about an interview with Harry J. Dean (presumably) done by Kenneth Klein, about Dean, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and the FBI. These documents can easily be found searching the online JFK NARA database, using the expert search, for Harry and Dean and "Referred" in the Restrictions box. See http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/search.html - Steve
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    Tony Summers, Not in Your Lifetime

    Dave, Yes, I read your comment about David Lifton's interview, twice now. I've also read about it elsewhere. I haven't heard the interview, and so I put no stock in it. As well, there are two possible Hurts we know of. The totality of the evidence suggests a call was attempted by Oswald, in my view. I'll remain skeptical about John Hurt's alleged drunk dialing Oswald in jail. Steve
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    Tony Summers, Not in Your Lifetime

    The Raleigh call is credible and worthy of study by anyone interested in Lee H. Oswald, in my view. I have doubts about John Hurt's wife explaining it away that Hurt made a drunken call to Oswald in jail. Call me a skeptic. Here are a few links from Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr., who did the deepest investigation in this area: http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk80.html http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk-douglass.html Here is an article: http://m.indyweek.com/indyweek/jfk-oswald-and-the-raleigh-connection/Content?oid=3192079 And a few Ed Forum links. There is good stuff within from Jim Root (where has he been?), James Richards, and others: The "Raleigh Call": http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2278 New John B. Hurt Info: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3391&page=1 Japanese Linguist John Hurt: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2967&page=1 John B. Hurt: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8571 John David Hurt: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3041 Oswald's 30 minute call: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2653 Indyweek article discussion: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19683
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    HSCA Chief Investigator Cliff Fenton

    "Taney, we're in way over our heads here. And there's no Hogan to protect us." - Cliff Fenton to Robert K. Tanenbaum when Tanenbaum arrived in D.C. to lead the HSCA under Richard Sprague. Fenton was referring to Frank Hogan, a legendary New York City D.A. whom they both worked under. Quote from Robert K. Tanenbaum, J.D., "An Analysis of Government Misconduct: The House Select Committee on Assassinations", Passing the Torch Conference, Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA. October 18, 2013. Lecture. Cliff Fenton, streetwise and honest detective, pictured below.
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    Joan Mellen's talk at the Wecht Conference

    Thanks, John. This was a very good talk by Professor Mellen at the Wecht Conference. She is a good researcher and she found a number of interesting details, such as a CIA memo stating that Clay Shaw was a highly paid contract agent for a number of years. And about Donald Denesyla, a CIA operations officer in the Soviet Russia Division, who reviewed a CIA debriefing report on Oswald, which they always denied doing. Worth reading. -- Steve
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    I found the Wecht Conference as a whole exceptional. Dr. Robert N. McClelland, M.D., was very compelling and credible about what he saw at Parkland from just feet away. Dan Hardway, Esq. and Robert K. Tanenbaum, J.D. gave stunning presentations on how their HSCA street level investigations were stymied and stonewalled at every turn by the very government agencies they were legally charged to examine. Jeff Morley, David Talbot, Jim Lesar, Esq., Joan Mellen, Larry Sabato, and others gave high quality and useful talks on JFK's history, legacy, and too many still classified files, along with how to locate and demand them. Morley's myth shattering and NARA search techniques, and Talbot's lively preview of his upcoming Allen Dulles bio The Devil's Chessboard were highlights. Russ Baker spoke potently about the media. I missed Bill Kelly's presentation on the Air Force One tapes, but I had the pleasure of meeting Bill in person and will catch his work on the streaming video which will be made available. Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, M.D., J.D. and Oliver Stone were erudite, fiery, and very witty. The speaker order needed help, including more overview and historical context the first two days, when more students were present. There was esoteric and detailed forensics which undoubtedly lost some. By far the most interesting and thoughtful continuing education courses I've ever taken. -- Steve
  15. Vince, what Secret Service points did Governor Ventura bring up? - Steve