Doug Weldon

Bernice: Tom Wilson had also done a tremendous amount of work on the Cancellaire photograph. I was hoping this would have been explored in far more depth in the book about him. Best, Doug

I do not know how to delete my last two posts which I did not finish. Robert: If you have followed this at all you would know that the Cancellaire photo of the south knoll was taken immediately after the assassination. In addition, despite what is suggested here it is not difficult to walk up the small hill by the south knoll. Doug Weldon

When I was watching Tosh Plumlee in a documentary he said that same thing. After the JFK assassination, he walked back up the slope diagonally to - I think a small fence? - then up to the tracks then over to his car. I do believe Tosh Plumlee's story, but it would be interesting to see if there are any photos in real time of the South Knoll as the 1963 Coup d'Etat was occurring. It also makes me really think that Johnny Roselli was not involved in an *abort mission* but rather involved in the JFK assassination itself, possibly as a shooter.

When I was watching Tosh Plumlee in a documentary he said that same thing. After the JFK assassination, he walked back up the slope diagonally to - I think a small fence? - then up to the tracks then over to his car. I do believe Tosh Plumlee's story, but it would be interesting to see if there are any photos in real time of the South Knoll as the 1963 Coup d'Etat was occurring. It also makes me really think that Johnny Roselli was not involved in an *abort mission* but rather involved in the JFK assassination itself, possibly as a shooter.

With all due respect, that comes across as an equivalent to Gary Mack's infamous statement, "I have not seen any hard evidence of conspiracy." Doug: She has proof that they worked together. What about Anna Lewis? Anna did not even like Judyth so why would she lie? Have you read Ed Haslam's book? Judyth's? I do not think it is fair to pass judgement on someone withouth reading the person's book first. In fact you and I are in agreement on Armstrong's work on another thread. Dawn Dawn: Your point is fair. Yes, I have Haslam's book and have read it. I have followed Judyth for over a decade and carefully followed the monumental thread here.I have seen Judyth change so many things to conform to the tough questions asked of her. I don't want to raise questions here because I don't want to tip Judyth off. If her story is legitimate then she can enhance her credibility in a number of ways: produce the physical evidence, i.e., the Oswald handwriting, the Mary Ferrell tape recording, etc. and submit herself to questions that she doesn't have a chance to ponder and choose which one's to ignore and answer. The truth can defend itself. If she does not produce the evidence she claims to have do you not agree the failure to do so should construe that evidence against her. Judyth had stated she wasn't going to subject herself to any further questions but she has appeared on the radio, etc. It is easy to fool the unknowing. There were , as I mentioned before, aspects of her story that at first intriqued me, i.e., where would she get the idea that she and Oswald were going to write a science fiction book? I discovered how she was able to do that. I am always reticent with witnesses who embrace their own celebrity. Judyth has motive to fabricate and I believe that could be exposed. Do you really believe she could remember all the dialogue she writes? I certainly could not. Whoever Oswald was I do not believe any evidence establishes he was a James Bond-Renaissance man character. As far as Armstrong, you can see I was one of the many people he dedicated the book to, so many things were run by me directly. I do believe there are stronger aspects of his book than others and I have questions but most people do not know the right questions to ask. I am curious. Did Judyth contact you or did you contact her? My best, Doug Weldon Doug: I am pretty sure that I contacted her. I was asked to help by another forum member. This was to try to get the Anna Lewis video. But I am not in touch with Ms. Conway so I had no way to accomplish that, other than enlist others to assist. I have not followed her every word. Just do not have the time. As far as the dialogue goes in her book I am assuming this is mostly made up. No one could remember ACTUAL dialoge from that long ago. So it has to be paraphrased. I do not know what celebrity she has embraced or what motive she would have for ruining her life and not being able to be in this country with her children and grandchildren. That part of the Love Affair that jumped out at me as false was when they "accidentally" met. But in reading her book it became clear that this meeting was no accident. I would indeed like to see the handwriting tested and any other recordings she claims to have. But would even this satisify people? Even her detractors agree that they worked at Reily together. Dawn Dawn: Lo and behold. JVB is not claiming to paraphrase anything. She is indicating that her quotes are there for a reason. She remembers all of the conversations. Do you honestly believe that? Best, Doug Weldon

Well said, Mike. And I absolutely agree. Haslam seems to me to be trying to latch onto the witness his own story desperately needs but at the same time be tip-toeing around something he himself sees as underwhelming evidence and, perhaps, over the top claims. Let me clarify my other remarks. As you know, I am one of those who has invested a great deal of time and energy in researching her claims, which I found preposterous on the face (especially given that she has managed to connect herself to knowing virtually every major name connected to the case)and, after learning that not even her supporters had done even basic fact checking on some of her claims, I was appalled ... and decided to do some. For me, and for others who have undertaken this sort of thing, the "agenda" behind it has never been to "attack" Judyth personally, but to expose, clarify, document ... whatever ... something that, if not true, is completely repulsive to me .... the very idea of leading research into this case down false rabbit trails, of muddying the already contentious and often confusing evidence issues in this case is bad enough .... but the very idea that the truth of our history could be even further removed from the truth is just unconscionable to me. The vitriol I was speaking of is the personal jibes and schoolyard taunts that I have to admit Judyth has endured from time to time .... but she and her supporters do not have clean hands in that respect either. Why anyone who calls them self a researcher, and who supposedly wants nothing more than the truth in this case, refers to people who are trying to fact check her claims as "attackers" and other names, and casts aspersions on the characters and motives of those people is beyond me. In my opinion, research in this case should be a no tolerance zone for such antics, mindsets and such a woeful lack of scholarship and methodology serves not only to impede progress in the case, but to muddy the waters even further. I like your word "repugnant" ... that's exactly it. Hope that's clearer than mud.<g> Bests, Barb :-) Barb and Mike: This eloquently expresses the sentiments of very many people. As I have stated many times I have no animosity towards Judyth. it would not surprise me if she does believe these things happened but such thoughts are not grounded in reality. As to Haslam it is much more difficult to analyze why this is so important to him but I suspect that Mike's analysis may be accurate. Both you and Mike have expressed this very well. Best, Doug Weldon

David: Where can one view these interviews? Best, Doug Weldon

Absolutely. They were both young and in New Orleans. Judyth Vary Baker was under the wings of a big time player Dr. Ochsner. When a big time intelligence player is your mentor things just seem to happen your way. Or not your way if you offend them as Judyth did when she rebelled against putting cancer in the inmates of LA prisons. Just because LHO might have been run by James Angleton or David Atlee Phillips does not mean that Judyth was being run by anyone or treated the same way as LHO. Judyth was the golden girl cancer researcher until Ochsner's wings and she and LHO probably got hooked up because they were in proximity, not because of some grand CIA scheme or master plan. I think that Judyth Vary Baker is an incredibly important witness to truth in the JFK assassintion. Not that one should believe EVERYTHING she says ... but that is true of anyone. Robert: What do you believe she is not telling the truth about? Doug Weldon

Agreed, Doug. Interestingly, the claim about having anything with Oswald's handwriting on it seems to have emerged late. The first mention I can find is mid-2003 in a couple of newsgroup posts ... and then just what the writing is supposedly in/on is not mentioned. It only came up then because someone had once asked if she didn't have a love letter or something Oswald had written as part of her evidence. Martin Shackelford posted July 8, 2003, alt.assassination.jfk: "As for materials in Oswald's handwriting, you can see that in the book." In a further exchange on July 20, 2003, McAdams posted: "OIC. Harris asked something like "do you have a love letter in Oswald's handwriting," and she said "no," failing to mention that she has something *else* in Oswald's handwriting. Question for Martin, and for lurkers too: when is the absolute *first* time that Judyth or Team Judyth ever claimed to have something in Oswald's handwriting? This sounds like very recent-appearing evidence to me." It was an interesting question, one for which I see no response. The first time I find (via google) that "Pocket Aristotle" was mentioned on that newsgroup was not until August 2006. Her first book came out in 2006 and contains a photo of the pages as well as the story about LHO having written in it. The "Harris" referred to in John's post is Robert Harris .... who had many long conversations with Judyth early on ... in 1999. He had asked her if she had anything with LHO's writing on it, and she had said "no." DEADLY ALLIANCE, the early outline penned by Judyth with Howard Platzman contains no mention of her having Oswald's handwriting on anything that I can find, and there is no mention of the Pocket Aristotle. I don't know about you, Doug, but if I was claiming to have known Oswald personally, and had his handwriting in the margins of a book, I would first have it certified by a professional examiner, and then it would be the first thing I would shout from the roof tops. Bests, Barb :-) Barb: Absolutely. Very interesting but not a surprise. This seems to be very consistent with everything. Best, Doug

With all due respect, that comes across as an equivalent to Gary Mack's infamous statement, "I have not seen any hard evidence of conspiracy." Doug: She has proof that they worked together. What about Anna Lewis? Anna did not even like Judyth so why would she lie? Have you read Ed Haslam's book? Judyth's? I do not think it is fair to pass judgement on someone withouth reading the person's book first. In fact you and I are in agreement on Armstrong's work on another thread. Dawn Dawn: Your point is fair. Yes, I have Haslam's book and have read it. I have followed Judyth for over a decade and carefully followed the monumental thread here.I have seen Judyth change so many things to conform to the tough questions asked of her. I don't want to raise questions here because I don't want to tip Judyth off. If her story is legitimate then she can enhance her credibility in a number of ways: produce the physical evidence, i.e., the Oswald handwriting, the Mary Ferrell tape recording, etc. and submit herself to questions that she doesn't have a chance to ponder and choose which one's to ignore and answer. The truth can defend itself. If she does not produce the evidence she claims to have do you not agree the failure to do so should construe that evidence against her. Judyth had stated she wasn't going to subject herself to any further questions but she has appeared on the radio, etc. It is easy to fool the unknowing. There were , as I mentioned before, aspects of her story that at first intriqued me, i.e., where would she get the idea that she and Oswald were going to write a science fiction book? I discovered how she was able to do that. I am always reticent with witnesses who embrace their own celebrity. Judyth has motive to fabricate and I believe that could be exposed. Do you really believe she could remember all the dialogue she writes? I certainly could not. Whoever Oswald was I do not believe any evidence establishes he was a James Bond-Renaissance man character. As far as Armstrong, you can see I was one of the many people he dedicated the book to, so many things were run by me directly. I do believe there are stronger aspects of his book than others and I have questions but most people do not know the right questions to ask. I am curious. Did Judyth contact you or did you contact her? My best, Doug Weldon Doug: I am pretty sure that I contacted her. I was asked to help by another forum member. This was to try to get the Anna Lewis video. But I am not in touch with Ms. Conway so I had no way to accomplish that, other than enlist others to assist. I have not followed her every word. Just do not have the time. As far as the dialogue goes in her book I am assuming this is mostly made up. No one could remember ACTUAL dialoge from that long ago. So it has to be paraphrased. I do not know what celebrity she has embraced or what motive she would have for ruining her life and not being able to be in this country with her children and grandchildren. That part of the Love Affair that jumped out at me as false was when they "accidentally" met. But in reading her book it became clear that this meeting was no accident. I would indeed like to see the handwriting tested and any other recordings she claims to have. But would even this satisify people? Even her detractors agree that they worked at Reily together. Dawn Dawn: Thanks for the reply. I do not dispute they worked at Reilly at the same time but that in of itself means nothing. According to Judyth's former husband Judyth, upon seeing Oswald on television, exclaimed something to the effect, that Oswald looked like someone she used to work with. I don't know about all of Judyth's motives but she has written to people from her high school class that there could be movie rights, etc. and she has certainly drawn attention to herself. I think the handwriting and recordings would go a long way towards establishing her credibility, especially the handwriting. The failure to do so speaks loudly against her veracity as does her refusal to answer tough questions.. Absent those things, because of the obvious contradictions and provable falsehoods she is more than highly suspect. BTW, I also believe that Arfstrong does a nice job in his public speaking and to the contrary I now believe his book makes JVB less plausible. Best, Doug Weldon

With all due respect, that comes across as an equivalent to Gary Mack's infamous statement, "I have not seen any hard evidence of conspiracy." It looks like a very straightforward statement to me, Pamela, saying that he does not believe there is credible evidence that Judyth ever met Oswald. Well, by golly, that is exactly what he said! It doesn't have anything to do with someone else's assessment about any other part of the case,so I am a bit confused by your comment. :-) Since you are a known Judyth believer, this would be a perfect opportunity for you to share with all of us just what "credible evidence" exists that she did personally know Oswald. We know they worked at Reily at the same time in the summer of 1963, even starting work on the same day. She worked in the office, he greased machines. Other than a common nodding knowledge of one another, like many of the 100-ish employees at Reily could very likely have had with one another, what "credible evidence" have you seen that Judyth and Oswald actually knew one another? I will be very interested in your response, and look forward to what specific credible evidence you will present, because thus far, I have never seen any credible evidence of them having known one another at all. Thanks, Barb :-) I've learned a lot about the decade old debate about Judyth Baker's story from reading Barb's posts here and on the Exile thread started by Jim Fetzer. Barb almost invariably provides links and/or documentation for her posts, making it easy to see the source for what she is discussing. Most people interested in making up their own minds appreciate this approach to research. Barb has had to listen to some people accuse her of attacking Judyth or nitpicking. They find this preferable to actually discussing what Barb has written. That's my impression. Judyth Baker has no bigger supporter than Ed Haslam. In Dr Mary's Monkey (page 291), Haslam asks "did Judyth know Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963?" Haslam offers only two items to support such a contention: Baker's W-2 from Reily and the 2003 video recording of Anna Lewis. These are the "two critical pieces of evidence" that Haslam uses to wonder if it is time "to reconsider our history" of the Kennedy murder. That's it. That's Haslam's evidence that Baker and Oswald knew each other. The rest of his faith is based on his belief in her "as a person." Barb has written that the devil is often in the details and I agree with that. But often there are large questions, which Baker and her supporters almost never address. I find this 2005 comment by James Richards worth considering: There is a seemingly endless list of improbabilities and implausibilies like this that help explain why JVB has so many doubters. If there was credible evidence linking Baker and Oswald, why did Douglass and Horne choose not to mention it in their recent books? There were scores of journalists and investigative reporters in New Orleans in the 60's and 70's that had their ears very close to the ground. There have been many researchers that have written extensively about Oswald in New Orleans. None of them have ever found any credible evidence of an association between Baker and Oswald, to my knowledge. Michael: Outstanding post. Doug Weldon

With all due respect, that comes across as an equivalent to Gary Mack's infamous statement, "I have not seen any hard evidence of conspiracy." Doug: She has proof that they worked together. What about Anna Lewis? Anna did not even like Judyth so why would she lie? Have you read Ed Haslam's book? Judyth's? I do not think it is fair to pass judgement on someone withouth reading the person's book first. In fact you and I are in agreement on Armstrong's work on another thread. Dawn Dawn: Your point is fair. Yes, I have Haslam's book and have read it. I have followed Judyth for over a decade and carefully followed the monumental thread here.I have seen Judyth change so many things to conform to the tough questions asked of her. I don't want to raise questions here because I don't want to tip Judyth off. If her story is legitimate then she can enhance her credibility in a number of ways: produce the physical evidence, i.e., the Oswald handwriting, the Mary Ferrell tape recording, etc. and submit herself to questions that she doesn't have a chance to ponder and choose which one's to ignore and answer. The truth can defend itself. If she does not produce the evidence she claims to have do you not agree the failure to do so should construe that evidence against her. Judyth had stated she wasn't going to subject herself to any further questions but she has appeared on the radio, etc. It is easy to fool the unknowing. There were , as I mentioned before, aspects of her story that at first intriqued me, i.e., where would she get the idea that she and Oswald were going to write a science fiction book? I discovered how she was able to do that. I am always reticent with witnesses who embrace their own celebrity. Judyth has motive to fabricate and I believe that could be exposed. Do you really believe she could remember all the dialogue she writes? I certainly could not. Whoever Oswald was I do not believe any evidence establishes he was a James Bond-Renaissance man character. As far as Armstrong, you can see I was one of the many people he dedicated the book to, so many things were run by me directly. I do believe there are stronger aspects of his book than others and I have questions but most people do not know the right questions to ask. I am curious. Did Judyth contact you or did you contact her? My best, Doug Weldon

Thank you, Doug. It is always good to be reminded that one must flag when one is being fair to the undeserving. I have just done a search of "Red Roses From Texas" in google books and cannot find the quote. Nor is Gunn French as claimed by some who use the quote. Greg: Are you certain about Gunn? "Red Roses From Texas" was written in French and was then translated to English. I had the English version for several years before selling it but still see the French version pop up on e-bay occassionaly. Doug Greg: You are correct. The book was written in French before being translated. Nerin E. Gun, a free-lance journalist and writer, was born in Rome of Turkish and Italian parents. Educated in France and Germany, he entered the newspaper field in Berlin when WW II started, As a neutral, be became a correspondent for Swiss newspapers and the Turkish press service. For his reports to the world about the Warsaw ghetto and predictions of the defeat of the German armies in Russia, he was arrested by the Nazis and sent to eleven prisons and three concentrations camps, ending at Dachau. He was one of two foreign correspondents accredited to Berlin to have been arrested and put into a concentration camp solely because of journalistic activities. Mr. Gun shown above during a recent visit to Dachau, is now an American citizen who lives in New York with his American wife and child. He makes frequent trips throughout the world as a foreign correspondent for American and European magazines. No American publisher would touch his book Red Roses from Texas, so the book was published in London. A used copy, if you can find it, will cost you $750.00. It was the FIRST book on the assassination of President Kennedy. Best: Doug Weldon

Martin Blank: Marina once said she had two husbands. ("I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man; and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy") Did she get them mixed up innocently? Or was it purposeful. Who was the other in addition to Harvey? Was she with both Harvey and Lee? This quote was supposedly made to a French journalist. A quick google tells me the only people who mention this alleged quote are pushing the two Oswald theory. Two alarm bells right there. The jourmalist is unnamed and no one but Armstrong and his supporters use the "quote". Greg, can you tell me where Armstrong used that quote? Michael: In fairness, Armstrong did use this quote, p.946. Marina apparently made this quote to Nerin Gunn, the author of "Red Roses From Texas." She did this four months after Oswald's autopsy and has never explained her statement. My best, Doug Weldon