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  1. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Good question ! I wish Mister Michael Clark would agree to answer (if he can, that is…)
  2. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Yeah, sure. Instead of trying to debate with sound arguments -- which you cannot do -- just pretend that : "you are right and those who disagree should not have the right to post here". It is pathetic, if you ask me.
  3. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Don't worry, Cliff. I have come to know you by now. Have no fear. I know very well that you have never done any research. I am aware that you know very little about the Kennedy assassination. I know that you haven't written a book. I know that you have never written an article. I know that you have not even written the least developed argument, or even a single paragraph of any substance or quality. I have noticed that you are only capable of throwing single sentences with no relations and most of the time no meaning either. But I still wonder : are you capable of writing a post without the word "bunch" in it ? I don’t think so. I'm sorry. But keep trying !
  4. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Mister Joseph, I don't want to quarrel with you, nor anybody. Instead of giving me the definition of the word "supposition", which is a waste of time, why don't you tell me what you think of my initial post ? What would you answer be ? Could it have happened that way ? Yes, or no ? Why not ? I'd be interested to know. Give me your arguments. And why don't the other members give me their take on that matter ? Possible, or impossible ? Likely or unlikely ? Why ? Why not ? For what reasons ? etc.
  5. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Mister DiEugenio, Thank you for your message. Allow me to sum up my experience (though I know most people won't care, so I'll be quick) so that you understand one important point. I started learning about the JFK assassination when I was a student. At age 22, in 1989, I lived in Pennsylvania for a full year. I read David Lifton's book "Best evidence". I was very impressed. Lifton was my hero, no less. Then, in 1990, I met Cyril Wecht in his office in Pittsburgh, who told me that Lifton was completely wrong. Later that Summer I went to Dallas and met Robert Groden (whose book "High treason" I had just read) who also told me that Lifton was utterly wrong. It's not my fault. At least I discovered then that there was no such thing as a "research community" but separate individuals who all had their personal theories. Then I read Jim Garrison's book "On the trail of the assassins". I was impressed. I thought : "he is the guy !" Then David Lifton wrote about his experience with Garrison and you know how he denounced, criticized, or even castigated him. It's not my fault. Then I had the great honor of meeting Pierre Salinger. I met him three times (in London and in France) and also exchanged letters with him. He was adamant that there had not been any conspiracy. Who better than Salinger knew JFK + RFK + LBJ + Jackie ? I mean, he lived with and among them for several years. He even slept at the White House on the night of November 22, 1963. Let me tell you : I say that he knew them better than you ! He said to me : no conspiracy whatsoever ! It's not my fault. Then I exchanged letters with Doctor Perry. He wrote that he agreed with the Warren commission version of events. It's not my fault. And please, don't tell me that he was afraid of me. Then I exchanged letters with Charles Baxter and Ronald Jones who said the same as Doctor Perry. In other words, they gave support to the official version. It's not my fault. Then I read Robert Oswald's book and also watched him in several TV documentaries : every time he writes or says that his believes deep in his heart that his brother Lee was guilty of the assassination. He said it. It's not my fault. All of that is just a tiny, ever so tiny part of my journey into the Kennedy assassination. My point is : I am not talking through my hat and I am not just writing ideas out of thin air. You may disagree with me, you may think that I am wrong, you may claim that I reached the wrong conclusions, but for Heaven's sake, stop painting me as either ignorant or stupid, because I am neither !!!!!! P.S. : Well, yes, I could send a personal message to David Lifton but I thought my question to him (and most important : his answer) would interest other people.
  6. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    (which has absolutely nothing to do with the thread that I started).
  7. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Ruth Paine ? Are you serious ? Do you really pause to consider before writing your posts ? Have you no shame to accuse a fine lady ? Whenever someone goes so far as to include Ruth Paine in their conspiracy theory, I know that they are well beyond the point where you could have a healthy debate with them.
  8. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    This has to be one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever read on this forum ! I don't understand why even James DiEugenio would say that.
  9. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Hello, Yes, I have read that article. I have no opinion whatsoever, since I have made no research and have not verified anything. But I shall try to talk to Giscard d’Estaing and ask him. I'll let you know.
  10. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Hello everybody, I am flabbergasted (and it is perhaps an understatement…). Let's get back on track. First of all, I started this thread to ask a question to a well-known researcher, Mister David Lifton, whom I respect although I do not agree with his overall conclusions about the Kennedy-assassination case. My question was simple, and revolved around the Parkland hospital scuffle between Doctor Rose, a policemen and some Secret Service agents. My question was about the aftermath of that scuffle, and the fact that Secret Service agents took Kennedy's corpse at gun point. Did it have a consequence when they reached the presidential plane ? Did they decide, on a spur-of-a-moment decision, to take the body out of the coffin in case the Dallas police would try to impound the coffin ? That was my question (see my long post at the beginning of this thread). Now, my question might sound stupid to some of you. It might sound unimportant to others. That's fine by me. In that case, feel free to argue against it. Or find a more interesting thread elsewhere. Again, it's only a question directed to Mister David Lifton. In essence, my question to him was : could it be that you are wrong in your inferences and conclusions ? Maybe you went too far and created a sinister conspiracy theory out of thin air. Maybe you made a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe something bad happened (the temporary removal of Kennedy's corpse by some Secret Service agents in a frantic state who wanted to protect the president) but that was it. No consequence. No foul play. No conspiracy. No bad intent. Nothing sinister. In which case, Lifton went too far in his conclusions. That was my question. That's all. How in the world have we now arrived at a situation where people debate about whether there was a shooter on the Grassy knoll and James DiEugenio is complaining about Hoover going to the racetracks ????????? What does it have to do with my question to David Lifton ? Talk about a thread being distracted… Now, Mister DiEugenio, let's get back to what you wrote. I'm flabbergasted. I really am. Your post is pretty lame. If what you wrote is all that you can offer to support your belief that there was a shooter behind the wooden fence, then your post is probably the best evidence I was ever given by a conspiracy believer to show that I am right in saying that there actually was nobody there !! Let me illustrate my point : Here is what I have : - Name of shooter : Lee Harvey Oswald - location : easternmost window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository - number of shots : three - weapon : Mannlicher Carcano rifle - evidence found : three shells + the rifle + finger prints of the suspect - shooter actually seen there by witnesses before the shots : YES - alibi of suspect : NO Now, let's see what James DiEugenio has : - Name of shooter : - location : - number of shots : - weapon : - evidence found : - shooter actually seen there by witnesses before the shots : - alibi of suspect : Go ahead, Mister DiEugenio, I'm all ears. I could have filled out the blanks 55 minutes after the shooting. What can you do, on your side, 55 years after the shooting ? You actually can't fill out the blanks. What does it show to a reasonable person ? That you have been on a wild goose chase. But you'll probably reply to me by resorting to your usual tricks : you can't know because the evidence was tampered with by evil FBI agents, then covered-up by dishonest Warren commission members, then falsely spread by the stupid François Carlier and his friends. Yeah, sure… All you have is Lee Bowers who was under the impression that he saw something that he was unable to describe. As for Joe Smith, please. First of all, I hope that you have read "The man who wasn't there" by Chris Mills. Second of all, what are you actually saying ? That the shooter posed as a Secret Service agent ? So he was alone ? Or the conspiracy plan was to put only one man with a Secret Service ID to protect the shooter from the crowd who could have come from all directions ? Not very smart... Then where was his gun or rifle ? How did he manage to find the shells and pick them up before Joe Smith arrived ? Or did Joe Smith simply encountered Thomas Lemuel Johns, as is more probable ? At any rate, you have nothing. Someone who supposedly saw smoke (when any firearm expert will tell you that you won't really see any smoke coming up from the barrel of a gun), someone who felt as if he saw something that he was unable to describe, and later on a single man who was encountered by patrolman Joe Smith and showed him some credentials (we are not sure what), and that man did not seem strange in that he was not carrying a bag nor a rifle nor anything that might have made Smith suspicious enough to stop him. That's all that you have. After 55 years... Nothing special. You don't have any witness who saw a shooter there (when, on the other hand we have witnesses who saw someone with a gun on the sixth floor). You have no shells. You have nothing. Oops, I'm sorry. I take that back. You have something : you have your imagination, and your desire to smear the official investigation. Thinking of it, it's quite perplexing to see that me, a Frenchman, am more a US patriot than you are. Indeed I actually believe that Earl Warren was a decent and honest man who would NEVER have wanted to lie to the American people. I say the same about Gerald Ford (yes) and people such as David W. Belin or Dale Myers. And many more, whose reputations you spend your time smearing. Well, if that's your taste. (Anyway. I am not interested in discussing the question whether there was a shooter toward the grassy knoll. Not in this thread. I'll wait for David Lifton to answer my initial question, if he feels like it (which I hope). Otherwise, I'm done here.)
  11. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Yes, of course ! Who wouldn't ?
  12. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Mister DiEugenio, Hello. (I have yet to answer your message on the other thread, I'm late, I know, I'll do it soon). OK, please, let us not argue over semantics. I have studied the case for more than 28 years and have been to Dallas several times. Trust me, I have seen the pictures of Dealey Plaza… I stand by what I previously wrote : it is not true to say that (I quote) "The extant videos also show, quite clearly, that everyone ran to the grassy knoll in search of the assassin(s) immediately after the shooting."Let's go back to the picture that you used in your post, with the Len Osanic's video from his 50-years series. First of all, NO, it wasn't immediately after the shooting. The whole motorcade had already gone. Now, look at what I have highlighted : In red are the women, most of them with their skirts and purses. I hope you don't really want to keep claiming that they wanted to catch the shooter ? Or maybe you think that they were all students of Bruce Lee, who taught them Jeet kune do ? In yellow are people whom I clearly state are NOT running. Some of them are talking and not even moving. In blue is one person running. One person ! Hardly "everybody".... And she is not even on the grassy Knoll ! So, again, the sentence : "everyone ran to the grassy knoll in search of the assassin(s) immediately after the shooting." is, at the very, very least, partially wrong ! As for the Len Osanic video, with comments by Robert Groden, they mostly show people in the central area of Dealey Plaza, not the grassy Knoll. Then again, even if EVERYBODY had indeed RUSHED to the grassy Knoll at once, what would that prove ? At most, it would prove that they had heard noise (or shots) coming from there because of the echo. So what ? They went there and found nothing. And that's what is important. That they found nothing. But you always conveniently forget to remind us that. The people who went to the grassy Knoll found nobody and nothing. The people who went to the sixth floor found the shells and the rifle and the shooter's prints. I suggest that you take that into account ! Now, it is true that I -- and I speak only for myself -- haven't studied the recently declassified records. But, come on : as if they held the key to the mystery… The facts can't be changed and we already know them perfectly well. I mean, you don't really hope to find a long-hidden, recently-declassified record that will show that Lee Oswald wasn't in Dallas that day, do you ? Again, I can see that you are nitpicking, all the while loosing sight of the bigger picture. That's your donwfall !
  13. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Dear Pat, hello. (I have yet to answer your message on the other thread, I'm late, I know, I'll do it soon). I agree with you. I am not going to try to argue with you on these points. What I was saying was that, when you see the women in the pictures wearing their skirts and carrying their purses walking toward the Grassy knoll, you know very well that they have no intention of subdueing whatever killer they'll come across !!! Having said that, of course, you are right and I agree with you : "there were a lot of witnesses who followed police to the train yards, in hopes of witnessing the capture of a shooter, or perhaps even assisting the police in the capture." "A lot", or "several", I can't say. But what is most important to underline is that not one of those people found anything of substance. Nothing. Nobody. I mean, three shells were found that day, but not on the Grassy knoll, at least you'll agree with that ! + I believe your story about your behavior and I tend to agree with your point of view.
  14. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    Several years (or decades) ago, I wrote to several Dallas doctors, asking them a lot of questions about Kennedy's wounds. NONE of them ever suggested that their testimony had been altered in the slightest. And ALL of them told me that they agreed with the official findings. Your statement "that the Parkland medical staff testimony was altered" is only wishful thinking, if I may say so. Secondly, you write that "there was ample witness testimony about a shot being fired from the "grassy knoll." "Testimony" ? Well, Sir, at some point, you need some evidence, facts, traces, cues, signs, something. In this instance, unfortunately, you have nothing concrete. You also write "The extant videos also show, quite clearly, that everyone ran to the grassy knoll in search of the assassin(s) immediately after the shooting." No, that's not true. That's one of the myths of the Kennedy assassination. First of all, if you really analyze photos and films (by spotting the cars of the motorcade in the street, for example), you'll see that it was not "immediately" (as you put it) that some people walked (or ran) to the grassy knoll. Second of all, you have people doing different things : most of the crowd heading back eastward into town, or just staying idle, in disbelief or in disarray. And thirdly, nobody was the hero who decided to chase the assassin at the expense of their own lives. Who would ? There was already a policeman on the grassy knoll and at any rate, whoever walked there a minute after the shooting (out of curiosity or excitement) never saw anything (no shooter, no gun, no bullet, no trace, nothing).
  15. François Carlier

    A question to David Lifton

    In other words, I ask a question to a well-known researcher, explaining my point in a long message, and you come to distract this thread by talking about some other topic and publicly stating that you hope that the researcher doesn't reply to me ? Well, if that's how you like to "debate"... I'd rather you ignored me altogether, please.
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