Ernie Lazar

Paul---you are off your meds again. It is not a case of "proving you wrong". It is simply a case of correcting your most egregious errors -- as many other people here have done repeatedly. Harry Dean is not a "witness" to anything -- except in his and your mind. As previously noted, NOBODY (but you) even mentions Harry Dean. With respect to your comment about the FBI files I have posted online: Apparently, you have never read Dr. Caufield's book. Many of the people and organizations he discusses are among the FBI files I have posted online. In addition, in order to understand the radical right in the United States (i.e. their arguments and their issues and concerns) any serious person must understand the larger context which produced the radical right --- which is exactly what Dr. Caufield attempted to do in his book. NOT surprisingly, you don't understand this point because you have revealed yourself as a mental midget. Oh, BTW, with respect to "allowing nonsense" here on EF ---- between you and me --- ONLY ONE of us has been banned several times for varying periods of time (and it isn't me).

For those who are interested, I have finished uploading the FBI files shown below. In addition, there are four non-FBI files which I uploaded (the first 4 items). The next batch of my paper FBI files being converted into PDF files will probably be completed by early April and will include: Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--Los Angeles (10/13/58 - 12/1/58) 35pp Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--San Francisco (10/23/58 - 6/3/64) 399pp Christian Defense League--HQ (12/23/58 - 1/20/76) 624pp COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-HQ (9/64 - 12/65) 26pp COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-Jacksonville (9/2/64 - 7/20/66) 240pp Crommelin, John G.--HQ (1/1/50 - 3/31/76) 304pp Klan Type Orgs and Hate Groups--HQ (8/20/61 - 9/14/66) 537pp National Knights of the KKK, Inc--Atlanta (James R. Venable) (8/25/60--9/4/60) 529pp National States Rights Party--Jackson (12/22/64 - 5/31/68) 228pp Sensing, Thurman 83pp ======================================================================================================================== Robert Welch--Willis Carto Letters Hotbed Of Hatred--KKK In California Transcript Robert Welch re: Richard Cotten-- 02-25-65 Robert Welch to Gerald L. K. Smith WHITE, Walter F.-NAACP - HQ 100-328241 Young Americans For Freedom - HQ 100-434516 Women's Voice newsletter-Lyrl Clark Van Hyning - Chicago 105-456 WILLIAMS, Robert H. -- Army Intelligence Report Williams Intelligence Summary--Robert H. Williams - HQ 105-10091 Western American Security Police - Houston 100-10177 We, The Mothers Mobilize For America--Lyrl C. Van Hyning - San Francisco 100-10704 Voters Alliance Of Americans Of German Ancestry - HQ 105-11215 TREVOR SR., John B.-- HQ 62-21364 Tocsin--Charles Fox Newsletter - San Francisco 100-47243 THOMPSON JR., H. Keith -- Newark 105-1160 ROBNETT, George Washington, HQ 51-324 Network Of Patriotic Letter Writers- Los Angeles 62-4584 Nationalist Action League-W. Henry MacFarland Jr.- Philadelphia 105-426 National Youth Alliance - NYC 157-3447 National Renaissance Party-James Madole, HQ 62-83296 National Renaissance Party-James Madole, NYC 105-6112 National Citizens Protective Association - Philadelphia 105-1457 National Association For Advancement Of White People - HQ 105-18867 MORRIS, Robert J. - HQ 62-98670 MASON SR., Hatley N. - HQ 62-101087-49 Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee, Subversion In Racial Unrest -HQ 62-103863 LOGAN, Bard A. - San Antonio 100-8085 Liberty Lobby-Willis Carto, WFO 157-69 Liberty Lobby-Willis Carto HQ 62-106941 Liberty And Property Inc, - Willis Carto WFO 100-33381 RIGHT Newsletter - by Liberty And Property, Inc. Liberty And Property-Willis Carto - HQ 105-47766 Let Freedom Ring - Chicago 157-716 LAVARRE, William J. - American Mercury Xrefs LAVARRE, William J. - HQ 62-61481 JOSEPHSON, Emmanuel - Newark 100-42049 Human Events newspaper, HQ 105-8697 GOFF, Kenneth - FBI-WFO 105-412 GOFF, Kenneth - Minneapolis 100-12138 FORT JR., William E.-- HQ 62-102708 Facts Forum - HQ 62-94811 EASTLAND, James O. - HQ 94-4-5130 DILYS, Joseph -- Chicago 177B-74353 DILYS, Joseph - Chicago 105-8307 DEATHERAGE, George -- Army Intel Report HQ 97-649 The Covenant, Sword, Arm Of The Lord - James Ellison - Kansas City 100A-16708 Christian Anti Communism Crusade - Fred Schwarz -- San Francisco 100-40407 Canadian Intelligence Service--Ron Gostick - HQ 105-15137 Arizona Patriots -- HQ 100-487422 Arab Participation In Distribution Of Hate Literature in U.S. - WFO 105-29384 Arab Participation In Distribution Of Hate Literature -- Los Angeles 105--6400 American Anti Communist League-HQ 62-82948

For those who are interested, I have finished uploading the FBI files shown below. In addition, there are four non-FBI files which I uploaded (the first 4 items). The next batch of my paper FBI files being converted into PDF files will probably be completed by early April and will include: Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--Los Angeles (10/13/58 - 12/1/58) 35pp Bombings w/Racial or Religious Basis--San Francisco (10/23/58 - 6/3/64) 399pp Christian Defense League--HQ (12/23/58 - 1/20/76) 624pp COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-HQ (9/64 - 12/65) 26pp COINTELPRO--White Hate Groups-Jacksonville (9/2/64 - 7/20/66) 240pp Crommelin, John G.--HQ (1/1/50 - 3/31/76) 304pp Klan Type Orgs and Hate Groups--HQ (8/20/61 - 9/14/66) 537pp National Knights of the KKK, Inc--Atlanta (James R. Venable) (8/25/60--9/4/60) 529pp National States Rights Party--Jackson (12/22/64 - 5/31/68) 228pp Sensing, Thurman 83pp ======================================================================================================================== Robert Welch--Willis Carto Letters Hotbed Of Hatred--KKK In California Transcript Robert Welch re: Richard Cotten-- 02-25-65 Robert Welch to Gerald L. K. Smith WHITE, Walter F.-NAACP - HQ 100-328241 Young Americans For Freedom - HQ 100-434516 Women's Voice newsletter-Lyrl Clark Van Hyning - Chicago 105-456 WILLIAMS, Robert H. -- Army Intelligence Report Williams Intelligence Summary--Robert H. Williams - HQ 105-10091 Western American Security Police - Houston 100-10177 We, The Mothers Mobilize For America--Lyrl C. Van Hyning - San Francisco 100-10704 Voters Alliance Of Americans Of German Ancestry - HQ 105-11215 TREVOR SR., John B.-- HQ 62-21364 Tocsin--Charles Fox Newsletter - San Francisco 100-47243 THOMPSON JR., H. Keith -- Newark 105-1160 ROBNETT, George Washington, HQ 51-324 Network Of Patriotic Letter Writers- Los Angeles 62-4584 Nationalist Action League-W. Henry MacFarland Jr.- Philadelphia 105-426 National Youth Alliance - NYC 157-3447 National Renaissance Party-James Madole, HQ 62-83296 National Renaissance Party-James Madole, NYC 105-6112 National Citizens Protective Association - Philadelphia 105-1457 National Association For Advancement Of White People - HQ 105-18867 MORRIS, Robert J. - HQ 62-98670 MASON SR., Hatley N. - HQ 62-101087-49 Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee, Subversion In Racial Unrest -HQ 62-103863 LOGAN, Bard A. - San Antonio 100-8085 Liberty Lobby-Willis Carto, WFO 157-69 Liberty Lobby-Willis Carto HQ 62-106941 Liberty And Property Inc, - Willis Carto WFO 100-33381 RIGHT Newsletter - by Liberty And Property, Inc. Liberty And Property-Willis Carto - HQ 105-47766 Let Freedom Ring - Chicago 157-716 LAVARRE, William J. - American Mercury Xrefs LAVARRE, William J. - HQ 62-61481 JOSEPHSON, Emmanuel - Newark 100-42049 Human Events newspaper, HQ 105-8697 GOFF, Kenneth - FBI-WFO 105-412 GOFF, Kenneth - Minneapolis 100-12138 FORT JR., William E.-- HQ 62-102708 Facts Forum - HQ 62-94811 EASTLAND, James O. - HQ 94-4-5130 DILYS, Joseph -- Chicago 177B-74353 DILYS, Joseph - Chicago 105-8307 DEATHERAGE, George -- Army Intel Report HQ 97-649 The Covenant, Sword, Arm Of The Lord - James Ellison - Kansas City 100A-16708 Christian Anti Communism Crusade - Fred Schwarz -- San Francisco 100-40407 Canadian Intelligence Service--Ron Gostick - HQ 105-15137 Arizona Patriots -- HQ 100-487422 Arab Participation In Distribution Of Hate Literature in U.S. - WFO 105-29384 Arab Participation In Distribution Of Hate Literature -- Los Angeles 105--6400 American Anti Communist League-HQ 62-82948

Paul -- Please take your morning meds so that you can return to some semblance of reason. Nobody (least of all me) has presented a "KGB-did-it" argument. For some unknown reason, you have that bug in your mind. The ONLY point being made is (I repeat), Tunheim has NEVER confirmed or even hinted that there are ANY remaining documents to be released which pertain to ANY "JBS plot" or which pertain to Edwin Walker or Harry Dean or ANYBODY else whom occupies YOUR delusions. Period. End of story. The reason why Tunheim is uniquely qualified to address this subject matter is simply because he has seen everything. Furthermore, when the FBI or CIA or State Dept or whomever objected to release of documentary evidence and they wanted such documents to be withheld, it was the ARRB under Tunheim which made the final determinations. Significantly, only a very small percentage of FBI documents were ever withheld in their entirety and, now, those have almost all been released. Six weeks from now you will have no further arguments to make. LASTLY: 1. I am NOT trying to prove your theory wrong. Another delusion of yours. My sole purpose is to correct your incessant glaring errors in logic and evidence as well as your false assumptions --- which you seem incapable of recognizing even when mountains of indisputable contradictory factual evidence is presented. 1.1 Furthermore, you do not really have "a theory". A genuine theory operates much differently from how you approach evidence. Your methodology is quite simple: (A) You actively search for ANYTHING (no matter where it comes from) which you think can be used to support your pre-determined conclusions. That unproven data then becomes "fact" in your mind. [Examples: Harry Dean's falsehoods and your swallowing whole everything in Dr. Caufield's book] (B) THEN you use your unproven data (aka assumptions) as the basis for all your subsequent analysis and commentary and conclusions -- AND -- you DEMAND that your perceived opponents accept your warped personal opinions without serious examination or challenge. You interpret serious examination or challenge as a personal insult. A GENUINE theory operates much differently. 2. Genuine theories recognize that they can be falsified in many different ways. Consequently, the authors and adherents of those theories welcome serious and rigorous examination and challenges. 2.1 More importantly, genuine theories are not constructed with circular arguments which use lowest-common-denominator reasoning techniques (as you often do) 2.2 Genuine theories enthusiastically search for new previously unknown documentary or other primary source evidence. 2.3 BY CONTRAST: As merely one example, despite your many years of talking with/interviewing and believing every syllable coming out of Harry Dean's mouth, you never even bothered to pursue Harry's FBI or CIA files--which nobody had ever seen. Nor did you pursue any other primary source data regarding Harry's narrative which is available at NARA or at other locations or from other researchers. 3. Lastly, with respect to JFK's murder, I have made no "conclusions" (old or otherwise) -- other than recognizing your intellectual dishonesty and defective logic and evidence.

Not one single word of your "reply" pertains to Judge Tunheim or the ARRB which was the subject of my message. AND incidentally, I never presented a "KGB-did-it CT". That is yet another bogus delusion of yours. My only comment has been that a genuine expert has specific, detailed knowledge of the relevant subject matter AND I then cited Judge Tunheim because (unlike yourself or myself) he has actually seen ALL the pertinent documentary evidence and he has NEVER uttered a single word about any sort of "plot" by JBS members nor have the names "Harry Dean" or "Edwin Walker" EVER crossed his lips. It really is difficult to understand how it is possible for you make it through any 24 hour day when you so routinely misrepresent what people write or what they actually believe.

I am not suggesting anything except that Judge Tunheim has seen everything and he knows what documents remain to be released and he has never said one single word about any documents pertaining to a "radical right" plot or about any plot involving the JBS or its members -- which is your theory. I prefer to rely upon people who have first-hand in-depth knowledge of a subject. YOU prefer to rely upon your personal delusions. There is no context where YOUR preferred use of the word "expert" makes any sense because, clearly, you DO NOT rely upon "experts".

And the best is yet to come!

FYI: The second batch of my paper FBI files have been converted into PDF files by the Center for Right Wing Studies at University of California-Berkeley, (paid through the generosity of Southern Poverty Law Center) and I will be uploading these files into my Internet Archive webpage over the next 3 days after I perform an OCR scan on them. Several of these files pertain to individuals and organizations discussed in Dr. Caufield's book. For those who may be interested, the subjects in this batch of files are as follows: RIGHT WING and EXTREME RIGHT INDIVIDUALS/ORGANIZATIONS/PUBLICATIONS American Anti-Communist League – HQ 62-82948 (120pp) Arab Participation in Distribution of Hate Literature in U.S. – Los Angeles 105-6400 (265pp) Arab Participation in Distribution of Hate Literature in U.S. – WFO 105-29384 (358pp) [Note: These two files pertain to propaganda circulated in U.S. by extreme right individuals and groups] Arizona Patriots/Ty Hardin – HQ 100-487422 (252pp) Canadian Intelligence Service/Ron Gostick – HQ 105-15137 (168pp) Christian Anti-Communism Crusade/Fred Schwarz – San Francisco 100-40407 (300pp) Council for Statehood-Mary M. Davison – HQ 157-758 (320pp) Covenant, Sword, Arm of the Lord/James Ellison – HQ 100A-16708 (256pp) DILYS, Joseph – Chicago 105-8307 (199pp) DILYS, Joseph – Chicago 177B-74353 (107pp) EASTLAND, James O. (U.S. Senator-MS) – HQ 94-4-5130 (242pp) Facts Forum – HQ 62-94811 (95pp) FORT JR., William E. – HQ 62-102708 (351pp) GOFF, Kenneth – Minneapolis 100-12138 (33pp) GOFF, Kenneth – WFO 105-29384 (162pp) Human Events, newspaper – HQ 105-8697 (201pp) JOSEPHSON, Emmanuel – Newark 100-442049 (14pp) LAVARRE, William J. – HQ 62-61481 (202pp) LAVARRE, William J./American Mercury magazine– xrefs (47pp) Let Freedom Ring – Chicago 157-716 (92pp) Liberty and Property, Inc./Willis Carto – HQ 105-47766 (159pp) Liberty and Property, Inc./Willis Carto – WFO 100-33381 (16pp) Liberty Lobby/Willis Carto – HQ 62-106941 (623pp) Liberty Lobby/Willis Carto – WFO 157-69 (132pp) LOGAN, Bard A./Constitution Party – San Antonio 100-8085 (252pp) Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee—Subversion in Racial Unrest – Parts I and II - HQ 62-103863 (303pp) [Includes testimony by Guy Banister, Joseph Z. Kornfeder, Leonard Patterson, Manning Johnson, Martha Edmiston, Leander Perez, Hubert Badeaux] MASON SR., Hatley N. – HQ 62-101087-49 (26pp) MORRIS, Robert J. – HQ 62-98670 (250pp) National Association of White People – HQ 105-18867 (150pp) National Citizens Protective League – Philadelphia 105-1457 (87pp) National Renaissance Party/James Madole – HQ 62-83296 (204pp) National Renaissance Party/James Madole – NYC 105-6112 (226pp) National Youth Alliance – NYC 157-3447 (211pp) Nationalist Action League/W. Henry MacFarland Jr. – Philadelphia 105-426 (92pp) Network of Patriotic Letter Writers – Los Angeles 62-4594 (145pp) ROBNETT, George W. – HQ 51-324 (40pp) THOMPSON JR., H. Keith – Newark 105-1160 (34pp) Tocsin newsletter/Charles Fox – San Francisco 100-47243 (122pp) TREVOR SR., John B. – HQ 62-21364 (66pp) Voters Alliance of Americans of German Ancestry – HQ 105-11215 (211pp) We, The Mothers Mobilize for America, Inc./Lyrl Clark Van Hyning – San Francisco 100-10704 (120pp) Western American Security Police – Houston 100-10177 (205pp) Williams Intelligence Summary newsletter/Robert H. Williams – HQ 105-10091 (77pp) WILLIAMS, Robert H. – Army Intel Report (7pp) Women’s Voice newsletter/Lyrl Clark Van Hyning – Chicago 105-456 (194pp) Young Americans For Freedom – HQ 100-434516 (200pp) GENERAL FILES American Research Foundation – HQ 62-102255 (73pp) WHITE, Walter F./NAACP – HQ 100-328241 (72pp)

FYI: The second batch of my paper FBI files have been converted into PDF files by the Center for Right Wing Studies at University of California-Berkeley, (paid through the generosity of Southern Poverty Law Center) and I will be uploading these files into my Internet Archive webpage over the next 3 days after I perform an OCR scan on them. Several of these files pertain to individuals and organizations discussed in Dr. Caufield's book. For those who may be interested, the subjects in this batch of files are as follows: RIGHT WING and EXTREME RIGHT INDIVIDUALS/ORGANIZATIONS/PUBLICATIONS American Anti-Communist League – HQ 62-82948 (120pp) Arab Participation in Distribution of Hate Literature in U.S. – Los Angeles 105-6400 (265pp) Arab Participation in Distribution of Hate Literature in U.S. – WFO 105-29384 (358pp) [Note: These files pertain to propaganda circulated in U.S. by extreme right individuals and groups] Arizona Patriots/Ty Hardin – HQ 100-487422 (252pp) Canadian Intelligence Service/Ron Gostick – HQ 105-15137 (168pp) Christian Anti-Communism Crusade/Fred Schwarz – San Francisco 100-40407 (300pp) Council for Statehood-Mary M. Davison – HQ 157-758 (320pp) Covenant, Sword, Arm of the Lord/James Ellison – HQ 100A-16708 (256pp) DILYS, Joseph – Chicago 105-8307 (199pp) DILYS, Joseph – Chicago 177B-74353 (107pp) EASTLAND, James O. (U.S. Senator-MS) – HQ 94-4-5130 (242pp) Facts Forum – HQ 62-94811 (95pp) FORT JR., William E. – HQ 62-102708 (351pp) GOFF, Kenneth – Minneapolis 100-12138 (33pp) GOFF, Kenneth – WFO 105-29384 (162pp) Human Events, newsletter – HQ 105-8697 (201pp) JOSEPHSON, Emmanuel – Newark 100-442049 (14pp) LAVARRE, William J. – HQ 62-61481 (202pp) LAVARRE, William J./American Mercury magazine– xrefs (47pp) Let Freedom Ring – Chicago 157-716 (92pp) Liberty and Property, Inc./Willis Carto – HQ 105-47766 (159pp) Liberty and Property, Inc./Willis Carto – WFO 100-33381 (16pp) Liberty Lobby/Willis Carto – HQ 62-106941 (623pp) Liberty Lobby/Willis Carto – WFO 157-69 (132pp) LOGAN, Bard A./Constitution Party – San Antonio 100-8085 (252pp) Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee—Subversion in Racial Unrest – HQ 62-103863 (303pp) [Includes testimony by Guy Banister, Joseph Z. Kornfeder, Leonard Patterson, Manning Johnson, Martha Edmiston, Leander Perez, Hubert Badeaux] MASON SR., Hatley N. – HQ 62-101087-49 (26pp) MORRIS, Robert J. – HQ 62-98670 (250pp) National Association of White People – HQ 105-18867 (150pp) National Citizens Protective League – Philadelphia 105-1457 (87pp) National Renaissance Party/James Madole – HQ 62-83296 (204pp) National Renaissance Party/James Madole – NYC 105-6112 (226pp) National Youth Alliance – NYC 157-3447 (211pp) Nationalist Action League/W. Henry MacFarland Jr. – Philadelphia 105-426 (92pp) Network of Patriotic Letter Writers – Los Angeles 62-4594 (145pp) ROBNETT, George W. – HQ 51-324 (40pp) THOMPSON JR., H. Keith – Newark 105-1160 (34pp) Tocsin newsletter/Charles Fox – San Francisco 100-47243 (122pp) TREVOR SR., John B. – HQ 62-21364 (66pp) Voters Alliance of Americans of German Ancestry – HQ 105-11215 (211pp) We, The Mothers Mobilize for America, Inc./Lyrl Clark Van Hyning – San Francisco 100-10704 (120pp) Western American Security Police – Houston 100-10177 (205pp) Williams Intelligence Summary newsletter/Robert H. Williams – HQ 105-10091 (77pp) WILLIAMS, Robert H. – Army Intel Report (7pp) Women’s Voice newsletter/Lyrl Clark Van Hyning – Chicago 105-456 (194pp) Young Americans For Freedom – HQ 100-434516 (200pp) GENERAL FILES American Research Foundation – HQ 62-102255 (73pp) WHITE, Walter F./NAACP – HQ 100-328241 (72pp)

Well, Paul, we are all touched by your faith in what does not exist.

You do realize (don't you?) that Judge Tunheim was the Chairman of the ARRB and he saw everything? I assume you also know that the ARRB is the body which determined which records would be released in full, or partially released, or delayed until 2017? Consequently, when Judge Tunheim explicitly says that the only really significant documents which remain to be released are Oswald's KGB surveillance records -- then even you should be able to draw the logical conclusion -- right?

I highlight in blue font one sentence which destroys the hopes of Paul Trejo, et al, regarding what remains to be released by April. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article200391724.html Documents haven’t quelled JFK conspiracy theories. Do the answers lie abroad? BY KEVIN G. HALL khall@mcclatchydc.com February 16, 2018 05:00 AM Updated 7 hours 35 minutes ago MINNEAPOLIS Does the key to unlocking the enduring mystery of the Kennedy assassination lie abroad, in Belarus, Cuba or Mexico? A special review board created in the 1990s to declassify U.S. government assassination secrets tried to secure important information from those countries. It was unsuccessful. But as the window for the 25-year-long declassification of John F. Kennedy assassination documents closes on April 26 — with experts warning that a smoking-gun document is unlikely to turn up in the remaining tens of thousands of U.S. government files — pursuit of definitive answers is likely to shift overseas. John R. Tunheim, now a federal district judge in Minnesota, led the Assassination Records Review Board from 1994 to 1998. It oversaw and set dates for the release of tens of thousands of government documents about the murder of President John F. Kennedy. “The biggest cache of records that are still out there, the real treasure trove, are the Oswald KGB surveillance records,” said John R. Tunheim, now a federal district judge in Minnesota, who from 1994 to 1998 headed the Assassination Records Review Board. That bipartisan body was created after Congress passed a law in 1992 starting the clock for release of all JFK assassination records. The action was prompted by an outcry after Oliver Stone’s hit movie JFK discredited the official version of Kennedy’s murder. In the 1990s, Belarus was still home to a five-foot-high stack of KGB surveillance documents on alleged Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. The 20-year-old Marine defected to the Soviet Union soon after he was discharged in 1959 and was given a factory job in Minsk, the capital of what today is Belarus. The accused Kennedy assassin worked there until returning to the United States in 1962. Tunheim and colleagues declassified tens of thousands of U.S. documents in those four years and set a timetable for complete release of documents that had been redacted. Many have trickled out over the past 25 years under schedules set by the board. Then last year came four large document releases by the National Archives. The veil was supposed to be fully lifted by October 2017, but President Donald Trump extended the deadline to April 26. More than 34,000 documents were posted online by the National Archives last year, many with redactions. McClatchy has learned that more than 22,000 documents still have not been released in full. But most of those at least partially released have not been complete surprises, dampening anticipation of a big reveal by the end of April. When Tunheim’s panel began declassifying the documents almost 30 years after JFK’s death, many were missing. Some of those had been under the control of the all-powerful CIA counterintelligence chief James J. Angleton. Some believe that James Angleton, former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's counterintelligence division, destroyed a number of documents related to the Kennedy assassination. “I am convinced he destroyed everything because he knew it was coming. He knew he was going to get fired,” said Tunheim, in a lengthy interview in January. “I don’t know how he did it but he got rid of just about everything before he was gone because there were huge gaps in the record.” That view is shared by Jefferson Morley, author of a new biography on Angleton called The Ghost. In an interview, Morley called “defunct” the official version that Oswald was a lone-wolf gunman who came out of nowhere to kill an American president. “Oswald was under counterintelligence surveillance from 1959 to 1963,” Morley said. “Everywhere he went he touched CIA collection operations, code-named secret intelligence operations, whose product was delivered to Angleton.” In the 1970s, congressional hearings showed how the CIA had misled the Warren Commission, which issued an exhaustive report in 1964. The CIA again came under fire for misleading the House Select Committee on Assassinations. These missteps by the CIA, ostensibly aimed at hiding from public view how it carried out spy craft and meddled in the affairs of foreign governments, helped fuel today’s theories of “conspiracy and cover up,” said Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst with the National Security Archive at George Washington University. Now, virtually every alternative theory of possible culprit and motive for the JFK killing seems to get new life with each release of documents. Fidel Castro? Government documents show how the CIA sought to kill him, giving him a motive to retaliate. The mob? Files prove the agency worked closely with mobsters in Cuba and Chicago as they plotted to kill Castro. Texans in the CIA? Documents released last year showed that Earle Cabell, mayor of Dallas at the time of the killing, had actually been a CIA asset since 1956. His brother Charles was a top CIA official forced by Kennedy to resign less than a year before the assassination on Nov. 22, 1963. Minsk matters As time was running out on his review board — which concluded its work on Sept. 30, 1998, with a lengthy report — Tunheim traveled to Minsk in Belarus and tried to copy the entire Oswald surveillance record. “I was going to pay $100,000 for copying charges, I probably would have been criticized over that but it was such a gem of a file,” recalled Tunheim, adding that “I have seen many of them, I’ve had a lot of them read to me.” But every time the review board came close to securing the Minsk files, tension with Belarus flared. Its leader then and now — Alexandr Lukashenko — is fiercely pro-Russian and has clashed with successive U.S. administrations. “We could never get it in the time we had available,” Tunheim lamented. “And that covers every damn thing that Oswald did over his three or so years in the Soviet Union. It’s an amazing file and there is a copy of it somewhere in the Kremlin files someplace.” The review board did acquire about 500 pages of Minsk documents, many of them from author Norman Mailer who had been there first and acquired some for use in his famous 1995 book Oswald’s Tale: An American Mystery. What might the rest of those files contain? Much of it is likely mundane, but some JFK conspiracy theorists believe that Oswald was actually helping to train Cuban fighters while in Minsk. The files, now believed to be locked up in Russia, might also shed light on the KGB’s efforts to monitor Oswald once he returned to the United States. Cuba libre? One of the review board’s major accomplishments was releasing the files on Operation Mongoose — a Kennedy administration plot to overthrow and possibly kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Once the Mongoose files were made public, Tunheim had copies delivered to the Cuban interest section, which worked out of the Swiss embassy in Washington. “The complete set of them, everything. We put together a box and said, ‘Send it to Fidel, your president,’” said Tunheim. The hope was that goodwill would beget goodwill. “He wanted to meet but the State Department didn’t allow it,” the judge said, chalking it up to concerns that at the time no one wanted to run afoul of the powerful chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Jesse Helms. The North Carolina Republican had co-authored legislation toughening the Cuba trade embargo. Relations were also frayed by the 1996 downing by Cuba of civilian aircraft operated by the anti-Castro group Brothers to the Rescue. Some lower level meetings took place in the Bahamas, and the Cuban government shared some documents but told Tunheim’s team that it didn’t have much since “defending the revolution” took so much effort. “Castro intuited right away that CIA propaganda assets were trying to blame the assassination on Cuba, and the records we now have confirm that,” said Morley, who is also editor of the website JFK Facts, adding that Cuba’s documents could shed light on anti-Castro groups. “They heard lots of talk, coming from inside the anti-Castro movement. What they heard after the assassination would be very interesting to know, and important.” The JFK documents released by the National Archives last year confirmed the full portfolio of CIA activity designed to destabilize the Castro regime, and the extent of spying on the Cuban embassy in Mexico City. Much of the spying effort was led by Texan David Atlee Phillips, a charismatic Fort Worth native whose alleged relationship with Oswald has also been the subject of speculation by conspiracy theorists. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram, on Oct. 4, 1975, reported that Phillips told a local gathering that he was “reasonably convinced” Oswald had acted alone. But Cuban exile leader Antonio Veciana has maintained for years that Phillips, using the assumed name Maurice Bishop, was Oswald’s handler, and that he saw the two together in Dallas a month before the assassination. Now elderly and in ill health, Veciana told McClatchy in December that he stands by his account. Phillips, who died in 1988, was a high-level CIA official in Cuba before and after Castro’s arrival in power. Transferred later to Mexico, he was tasked with watching all traffic and calls into and out of the Cuban and Soviet embassies. And that’s where the U.S.’s southern neighbor fits into Tunheim’s view that important answers may still come from abroad. Fresh Mex Some of the most significant documents left classified for the bulk of the 25-year timeframe and released last year deal with Oswald’s trip to Mexico City weeks before the assassination of Kennedy. During that timeframe, Oswald’s calls to the Cuban and Soviet embassies are believed to have been recorded. Tunheim recalled being told by the CIA that the recordings were not thought of consequence at the time and were recorded over. “We know they existed at some point in time. I also know that our deal with the Mexican government was that they got a copy of everything we recorded,” said Tunheim, adding that “I am convinced that that probably exists somewhere, whether someone has taken it home or it’s in a closet or attic someplace.” Tunheim had seen documents showing that CIA leaders had either seen transcripts of or heard the actual recordings. He flew to Houston in 1998 to meet with CIA officials from the U.S. embassy in Mexico City, asking them to see what they could dig up. “They promised to follow up and I never heard another word from them,” he said. Among the calls that would be of greatest interest is the intercept of Oswald’s Oct. 1, 1963 call with Valeriy Vladimirovich Kostikov, described in documents released last year. Kostikov was not only a consul general, the documents said, but a KGB officer who had been part of Department 13 — the feared sabotage and assassination unit. Just hearing Oswald’s voice would be important. What little audio of Oswald that exists publicly comes from an interview he gave in New Orleans in a pro-Cuba protest. His limited on-camera footage features a brief denial that he killed Kennedy, calling himself “a patsy.” Two days after the JFK assassination, Oswald was fatally shot by Jack Ruby as he was led from his Dallas jail cell.

I highlight in blue font one sentence which destroys the hopes of Paul Trejo, et al, regarding what remains to be released by April. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article200391724.html Documents haven’t quelled JFK conspiracy theories. Do the answers lie abroad? BY KEVIN G. HALL khall@mcclatchydc.com February 16, 2018 05:00 AM Updated 7 hours 35 minutes ago MINNEAPOLIS Does the key to unlocking the enduring mystery of the Kennedy assassination lie abroad, in Belarus, Cuba or Mexico? A special review board created in the 1990s to declassify U.S. government assassination secrets tried to secure important information from those countries. It was unsuccessful. But as the window for the 25-year-long declassification of John F. Kennedy assassination documents closes on April 26 — with experts warning that a smoking-gun document is unlikely to turn up in the remaining tens of thousands of U.S. government files — pursuit of definitive answers is likely to shift overseas. John R. Tunheim, now a federal district judge in Minnesota, led the Assassination Records Review Board from 1994 to 1998. It oversaw and set dates for the release of tens of thousands of government documents about the murder of President John F. Kennedy. “The biggest cache of records that are still out there, the real treasure trove, are the Oswald KGB surveillance records,” said John R. Tunheim, now a federal district judge in Minnesota, who from 1994 to 1998 headed the Assassination Records Review Board. That bipartisan body was created after Congress passed a law in 1992 starting the clock for release of all JFK assassination records. The action was prompted by an outcry after Oliver Stone’s hit movie JFK discredited the official version of Kennedy’s murder. In the 1990s, Belarus was still home to a five-foot-high stack of KGB surveillance documents on alleged Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. The 20-year-old Marine defected to the Soviet Union soon after he was discharged in 1959 and was given a factory job in Minsk, the capital of what today is Belarus. The accused Kennedy assassin worked there until returning to the United States in 1962. Tunheim and colleagues declassified tens of thousands of U.S. documents in those four years and set a timetable for complete release of documents that had been redacted. Many have trickled out over the past 25 years under schedules set by the board. Then last year came four large document releases by the National Archives. The veil was supposed to be fully lifted by October 2017, but President Donald Trump extended the deadline to April 26. More than 34,000 documents were posted online by the National Archives last year, many with redactions. McClatchy has learned that more than 22,000 documents still have not been released in full. But most of those at least partially released have not been complete surprises, dampening anticipation of a big reveal by the end of April. When Tunheim’s panel began declassifying the documents almost 30 years after JFK’s death, many were missing. Some of those had been under the control of the all-powerful CIA counterintelligence chief James J. Angleton. Some believe that James Angleton, former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's counterintelligence division, destroyed a number of documents related to the Kennedy assassination. “I am convinced he destroyed everything because he knew it was coming. He knew he was going to get fired,” said Tunheim, in a lengthy interview in January. “I don’t know how he did it but he got rid of just about everything before he was gone because there were huge gaps in the record.” That view is shared by Jefferson Morley, author of a new biography on Angleton called The Ghost. In an interview, Morley called “defunct” the official version that Oswald was a lone-wolf gunman who came out of nowhere to kill an American president. “Oswald was under counterintelligence surveillance from 1959 to 1963,” Morley said. “Everywhere he went he touched CIA collection operations, code-named secret intelligence operations, whose product was delivered to Angleton.” In the 1970s, congressional hearings showed how the CIA had misled the Warren Commission, which issued an exhaustive report in 1964. The CIA again came under fire for misleading the House Select Committee on Assassinations. These missteps by the CIA, ostensibly aimed at hiding from public view how it carried out spy craft and meddled in the affairs of foreign governments, helped fuel today’s theories of “conspiracy and cover up,” said Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst with the National Security Archive at George Washington University. Now, virtually every alternative theory of possible culprit and motive for the JFK killing seems to get new life with each release of documents. Fidel Castro? Government documents show how the CIA sought to kill him, giving him a motive to retaliate. The mob? Files prove the agency worked closely with mobsters in Cuba and Chicago as they plotted to kill Castro. Texans in the CIA? Documents released last year showed that Earle Cabell, mayor of Dallas at the time of the killing, had actually been a CIA asset since 1956. His brother Charles was a top CIA official forced by Kennedy to resign less than a year before the assassination on Nov. 22, 1963. Minsk matters As time was running out on his review board — which concluded its work on Sept. 30, 1998, with a lengthy report — Tunheim traveled to Minsk in Belarus and tried to copy the entire Oswald surveillance record. “I was going to pay $100,000 for copying charges, I probably would have been criticized over that but it was such a gem of a file,” recalled Tunheim, adding that “I have seen many of them, I’ve had a lot of them read to me.” But every time the review board came close to securing the Minsk files, tension with Belarus flared. Its leader then and now — Alexandr Lukashenko — is fiercely pro-Russian and has clashed with successive U.S. administrations. “We could never get it in the time we had available,” Tunheim lamented. “And that covers every damn thing that Oswald did over his three or so years in the Soviet Union. It’s an amazing file and there is a copy of it somewhere in the Kremlin files someplace.” The review board did acquire about 500 pages of Minsk documents, many of them from author Norman Mailer who had been there first and acquired some for use in his famous 1995 book Oswald’s Tale: An American Mystery. What might the rest of those files contain? Much of it is likely mundane, but some JFK conspiracy theorists believe that Oswald was actually helping to train Cuban fighters while in Minsk. The files, now believed to be locked up in Russia, might also shed light on the KGB’s efforts to monitor Oswald once he returned to the United States. Cuba libre? One of the review board’s major accomplishments was releasing the files on Operation Mongoose — a Kennedy administration plot to overthrow and possibly kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Once the Mongoose files were made public, Tunheim had copies delivered to the Cuban interest section, which worked out of the Swiss embassy in Washington. “The complete set of them, everything. We put together a box and said, ‘Send it to Fidel, your president,’” said Tunheim. The hope was that goodwill would beget goodwill. “He wanted to meet but the State Department didn’t allow it,” the judge said, chalking it up to concerns that at the time no one wanted to run afoul of the powerful chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Jesse Helms. The North Carolina Republican had co-authored legislation toughening the Cuba trade embargo. Relations were also frayed by the 1996 downing by Cuba of civilian aircraft operated by the anti-Castro group Brothers to the Rescue. Some lower level meetings took place in the Bahamas, and the Cuban government shared some documents but told Tunheim’s team that it didn’t have much since “defending the revolution” took so much effort. “Castro intuited right away that CIA propaganda assets were trying to blame the assassination on Cuba, and the records we now have confirm that,” said Morley, who is also editor of the website JFK Facts, adding that Cuba’s documents could shed light on anti-Castro groups. “They heard lots of talk, coming from inside the anti-Castro movement. What they heard after the assassination would be very interesting to know, and important.” The JFK documents released by the National Archives last year confirmed the full portfolio of CIA activity designed to destabilize the Castro regime, and the extent of spying on the Cuban embassy in Mexico City. Much of the spying effort was led by Texan David Atlee Phillips, a charismatic Fort Worth native whose alleged relationship with Oswald has also been the subject of speculation by conspiracy theorists. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram, on Oct. 4, 1975, reported that Phillips told a local gathering that he was “reasonably convinced” Oswald had acted alone. But Cuban exile leader Antonio Veciana has maintained for years that Phillips, using the assumed name Maurice Bishop, was Oswald’s handler, and that he saw the two together in Dallas a month before the assassination. Now elderly and in ill health, Veciana told McClatchy in December that he stands by his account. Phillips, who died in 1988, was a high-level CIA official in Cuba before and after Castro’s arrival in power. Transferred later to Mexico, he was tasked with watching all traffic and calls into and out of the Cuban and Soviet embassies. And that’s where the U.S.’s southern neighbor fits into Tunheim’s view that important answers may still come from abroad. Fresh Mex Some of the most significant documents left classified for the bulk of the 25-year timeframe and released last year deal with Oswald’s trip to Mexico City weeks before the assassination of Kennedy. During that timeframe, Oswald’s calls to the Cuban and Soviet embassies are believed to have been recorded. Tunheim recalled being told by the CIA that the recordings were not thought of consequence at the time and were recorded over. “We know they existed at some point in time. I also know that our deal with the Mexican government was that they got a copy of everything we recorded,” said Tunheim, adding that “I am convinced that that probably exists somewhere, whether someone has taken it home or it’s in a closet or attic someplace.” Tunheim had seen documents showing that CIA leaders had either seen transcripts of or heard the actual recordings. He flew to Houston in 1998 to meet with CIA officials from the U.S. embassy in Mexico City, asking them to see what they could dig up. “They promised to follow up and I never heard another word from them,” he said. Among the calls that would be of greatest interest is the intercept of Oswald’s Oct. 1, 1963 call with Valeriy Vladimirovich Kostikov, described in documents released last year. Kostikov was not only a consul general, the documents said, but a KGB officer who had been part of Department 13 — the feared sabotage and assassination unit. Just hearing Oswald’s voice would be important. What little audio of Oswald that exists publicly comes from an interview he gave in New Orleans in a pro-Cuba protest. His limited on-camera footage features a brief denial that he killed Kennedy, calling himself “a patsy.” Two days after the JFK assassination, Oswald was fatally shot by Jack Ruby as he was led from his Dallas jail cell.

It is not that we "dismiss" Walker "as a kook". We just recognize his significant limitations (financially, intellectually, and in practical terms). The problem is that there were so many JFK-haters like Walker (including former military) running around who were actually in a better position to commit a murder (or facilitate a murder) than Walker. As Paul knows, I have repeatedly stated that Walker was an indisputable racist (which Paul denies) because of the mountains of indisputable evidence concerning Walker's beliefs, values, associations, and behavior. However, there are people like former Navy Rear Admiral John G. Crommelin or Marine General Pedro del Valle whose associations and rhetoric and behavior were even more viciously racist and hateful toward JFK than Walker's. While Walker was tolerable to Robert Welch and the John Birch Society people like del Valle and Crommelin were totally unacceptable even to the JBS! In addition, one could argue that Crommelin and del Valle (but especially Crommelin) had a much better developed network of contacts and access to other highly-trained military in the south than did Walker. Crommelin, in particular, is noteworthy because of his direct ties to violent Klan members and similar groups. He was associated with Wesley Swift and Col. William P. Gale's "Christian Defense League" and Crommelin was a stockholder in Conde McGinley's notorious bigoted newspaper, "Common Sense" which expressed pro-nazi sentiments that even Walker never did. I don't recall Walker ever endorsing Crommelin during his many attempts to be elected to public office whereas numerous vicious racists and Jew-haters did. Between 1955 and 1960, there were 88 bombing incidents which involved members of the National States Rights Party. At least 16 of these incidents involved (directly or indirectly) Crommelin, J.B. Stoner, and John Kasper. Unlike Walker, Crommelin was a wealthy man and he bankrolled white terrorist activities across the South. Nor did Crommelin hide or euphemize what he believed. His bigotry was overt and well-known. Not even Paul Trejo could deny it or seek to justify it. Other people also come to mind who had more inclination (and wherewithal) to commit or facilitate the murder of JFK than Walker.

1. Are you sure that NARA has all these items? 2. With respect to the "outside the scope" exemption which Jason mentioned in a previous message: The FBI (and other agencies) often will send FOIA requesters what seems like a "helpful" friendly message concerning their FOIA request. This usually occurs most often when a request involves a large number of pages. The "friendly" and "helpful" message is totally BOGUS and it will say something like: "In order to expedite processing of your request, and reduce potential costs, would you like to narrow the scope of your request to" (enter parameter here -- such as limiting request to just specific years or specific time period, OR perhaps limit request to just documents about one or more specific subjects, OR just limit request to certain types of documents (such as HQ summary memos, but not every individual memo prepared by a field office). WORD OF ADVICE: NEVER (repeat: NEVER) accept that "friendly, helpful" suggestion. What happens if you do accept the "limit the scope" suggestion is that some analyst assigned to work on your request will substitute THEIR un-informed judgment for your knowledge about whatever subject(s) you are pursuing -- and, consequently, that analyst will do everything possible to reduce their workload by severely reducing the number of pages they need to review, or declassify, or ultimately release. In many cases, when I first starting making FOIA requests to the FBI, I accepted the "friendly, helpful" advice from the FBI and I limited the scope of my requests--when I received paper documents. Years later, when I re-requested the same files as PDF docs on CD's -- I got the entire file and I saw how the FBI interpreted my original "limit scope" paper docs and it was horrific.

The "Edwin A. Walker Group" (item #7) in Jason's message is a reference to the "Friends of General Walker". There are numerous references in FBI files to this group. The first time I recall seeing this group mentioned was in the file captioned "Unnamed Organization of Dallas Texas Patriots" which the FBI created after they arrested Ashland F. Burchwell. The main relevant FBI files are: HQ 100-439412 and Dallas 105-1475 for the "Unnamed Organization" and Dallas 152-2, Dallas 190-59, and HQ 152-40 for Ashland Burchwell. The Dallas 105-1475 file will be scanned by UC-Berkeley and added to my online collection sometime this year. A few of the notes I took from Ashland Burchwell's file: 152-2, #24 (12/12/62 SAC Dallas report which summarizes interview of Burchwell to determine his connection with Edwin A. Walker and the desegregation controversy in Oxford MS. On pages 3-4, Burchwell discusses the membership cards found in his vehicle when arrested: pg 3: “Burchwell stated he was not a member of the organization for which he had the membership cards but stated he was in sympathy with its aims and purpose and had been asked to join but stated he did not have the time for this group. Burchwell described the group as being similar in aims and purposes to the Minutemen and stated that this group was organizing to resist a communist takeover of the United States…” Pg 4: “Burchwell stated he sincerely believed that a communist takeover in the U.S. was possible, pointing out what happened in Czechoslovakia in 1948. He also reported that they had heard reports that Mongolian troops were massing in lower California in Mexico. When asked where he received such information, Burchwell stated he had heard it from a minister, named unrecalled, who claimed to have seen these Mongolian troops in California, and the publication, ‘Common Sense’ which Burchwell described as an anti-semitic newspaper. Burchwell insisted that the real issue in MS, according to what Walker told him, was not racial, but the constitutional issue of whether the Federal government could interfere with the states rights of MS.”

The FBI files captioned "Desegregation of the University of Mississippi" (item #5 in Jason's message) have also been destroyed or transferred to NARA. Here are just a few of them: Dallas 157-203 (NARA) HQ 157-401 (NARA) Memphis 157-147 Destroyed 7/13/05 Miami 157-700 Destroyed 1977 New Orleans 157-221 Destroyed 11/4/77 When I received the original release of Edwin Walker's HQ file (2629 pages) in 1995, it included a very substantial number of pages from the HQ "Desegregation" file (157-401). This file will eventually be scanned by UC-Berkeley so I can post it online. BTW -- the 157-401 file had 2592 serials as of 1962.

The Birmingham 157-864 file is the FBI field office file captioned "Alleged Klan Participation in Insurrection Plot". Last time I checked (2007) all these "Insurrection" files (including the HQ main file) were either destroyed or transferred to NARA. One of them is being scanned by U.C. Berkeley as part of my FBI file collection which they are converting into PDF files. It should be noted that the FBI originally received info from KKK members whom the FBI considered "reliable" about a possible plot involving Walker. However, after checking further with their original sources along with Dallas informants inside the KKK, the FBI concluded that all this was just baseless speculation and rumors. I made the following notes from documents in the Birmingham file: 09/30/64 = FBI informant in Jackson MS advised FBI “that according to Klansmen in Meridian MS, Major General Edwin A. Walker of Texas had approximately 100,000 followers in Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico and Arizona who were stealing ammunition and weapons and planned insurrectionary action if President Johnson was re-elected.” [Klan informant source was from WKKKOM, Lauderdale County Klavern in Meridian who “stated that he had been working with Major General Edwin Walker and his assistants and that Walker had approximately 100,000 followers in several southern and western states and allegedly was going to lead an insurrection if President LBJ was re-elected in the November 1964 election.” [Birmingham 157-864, #203, 5/17/65 SA-Birmingham report, page 1] FBI source subsequently said he had no direct knowledge and he originally heard only rumors. Other FBI files on the Insurrection plot include: Atlanta 157-856 Charlotte 157-593 Dallas 157-425 (NARA) El Paso 157-132 HQ 157-2138 (NARA) Houston 157-433 Jackson 157-1820 Jacksonville 157-914 Knoxville 157-318 Louisville 157-247 Miami 157-1188 Mobile 157-599 New Orleans 157-3089 NYC 157-1310 OKC 157-254 Pittsburgh 157-334 Richmond 157-883 St. Louis 157-679 San Antonio 157-332 Tampa 157-1699 WFO 157-478

More info re: Lane ===== https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10332-10004.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/10/jfk-files-kgb-had-trusted-relationship-longtime-warren-commission-critic-mark-lane/1018691001/ JFK files: KGB had 'trusted relationship' with longtime Warren Commission critic Mark Lane Ray Locker, USA TODAYPublished 2:09 p.m. ET Jan. 10, 2018

Not sure why BI-partisan or NON-partisan has any relevance in the context of what we are discussing. I guess bi-partisan normally means Democrats and Republicans whereas NON-partisan would refer to everybody -- regardless of their political beliefs or what their voter registration category is? Realistically, Congress works best when either type of cooperation (bi-partisan or non-partisan) is responsible for the agreement.

There is nothing "irresponsible" about such a statement -- although one could argue that, like all generalizations, it can be mis-interpreted or mis-applied. The point you are missing is very simple: 1. IF you could produce EVIDENCE that "the radical left" generally supported selling fetus parts --- then that would NOT be inaccurate or irresponsible to say so. It would simply be a correct statement but subject to limitations because "the radical left" is a large assortment of individuals and organizations and NOBODY can know what every single person in the radical left believes. 2. HOWEVER: we do have indisputable FACTUAL evidence concerning the prevailing position of the radical right with respect to Donald Trump's campaign and his subsequent election and his policy proposals and objectives. You cannot dismiss or de-value or euphemize what the radical right generally believes by ignoring available evidence. AGAIN: The simplest way to recognize your error would be for you to specify what YOU consider to be the 10 or 20 most prominent radical right individuals and organizations in our country and then we could research what position each of those persons and organizations has taken re: Trump. If MOST of them support Trump then there is nothing "comprehensive, inclusive, or irresponsible" about making a fact-based conclusion which ACCURATELY represents what MOST of those radical rightists believe. Surely you understand how public opinion polling operates -- don't you? The KEY (during elections) is selecting an appropriate scientific sample of likely voters in order to get a snapshot of what those persons believe and how they intend to vote. IF you correctly select the appropriate sample -- then you will accurately report the likely election result. BUT---if we use YOUR criteria, you would describe ALL polling results as "comprehensive, inclusive, or irresponsible" -- just because a generalization is made based upon available factual EVIDENCE.

Since nobody in this thread has made the accusations listed -- I don't even understand why this became some issue. 1. Some of the people who voted for Trump had previously voted for Obama twice -- so, obviously, it would be impossible to describe them as "radical, second Amendment, Confederate Flag waving..." etc. etc. but since NOBODY here made such a claim, it is entirely a STRAW MAN argument to pretend that someone did. 2. Genuine bi-partisanship requires one major pre-requisite -- i.e. a belief by all parties involved that the people involved in the discussion and the decision-making are honorable, decent, principled individuals who may just have an honest disagreement about how best to resolve some issue or problem we confront as Americans. However, Trump has NEVER proceeded from that premise. Most politicians who are successful realize that politics is a process of addition and multiplication, i.e. finding allies, building coalitions (even if just temporary) to accomplish some desired result. By contrast, Trump (and Birchers) believe in the precise opposite form of politics -- i.e. dividing Americans into "us" vs "them" categories -- which is why Trump routinely attacks and defames even members of his own party and Administration. 3. I recently had a lengthy debate with someone who claimed that Trump's critics in the Republican Party were RINO's. However, I pointed out that the persons most often mentioned as RINO's (such as Sen. Flake and Sen. McCain of AZ, Sen. Corker of TN, Sen. Graham of SC, Sen. Majority Leader McConnell of KY, Sen. Sasse of NE, House Speaker Paul Ryan of WI, and others) have voted 90% or more of the time the way which Trump wanted --- including on the recent tax reform legislation. So, clearly, this RINO accusation is NOT based upon FACTS. 4. The "Deep State" is a myth used by demagogues to normalize any crazy idea which they want to present or excuse any failure to accomplish a stated political objective. This is a typical tactic used by Third World dictators---blame some scapegoat for their personal failings. If some information disputes or falsifies what you prefer to believe, then, in our current political atmosphere, you just call that info "fake news". This is VERY dangerous because, ultimately, it will corrode the public trust in ALL of our institutions and in the very concept of representative democracy and it will make authoritarianism appear more acceptable. Career bureaucrats serve every President regardless of which political party wins an election. There is no such thing as "Republican science" or "Democratic science" or a "Republican navy or air force" vs a "Democratic navy or air force" OR a "Republican Centers for Disease Control" or a "Democratic Center For Disease Control".

What do you mean by "political position"? The position of the Birch Society has been made very clear for over 5 decades. They believe most of our political leaders (Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives) are part of, or agents of, a criminal conspiracy to destroy our country. The JBS has declared that every President since JFK has been guilty of "treason". That "political position" could explain why someone might feel "justified" in plotting to murder a President.

No I didn't.