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  1. you make me laugh. metaphysical poetry is john donne, george herbert, etc. read it. learning won't harm you. they are 17th century english poets. again lol
  2. Let’s start this comedy of errors with you. Your words appear in boldface in all instances. So true about layers of meaning in the Beatle lyrics, as in any good poetry. And you put it very well. You and Ron B. and Kirk G. are so helpful pointing in the right direction, giving me new sources. The right direction? That’s a good one, especially since you have not shown where the evidence exists in the lyrics to substantiate your claims. You have just sort of made bald statements and then talked around them trying to get us to accept your absurd positions on their face. To say that your way is the right way and by extension the only way contradicts and is contradicted by your claim that poetry includes things like layers and meanings and spoofs and myth-making. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways. Sounds like a bad case of megalomania to me. And for future reference when someone puts his or her opinion out there they should expect criticism and questioning especially if the audience includes people who really know what they are talking about. So before you take the step of putting your ideas out there for scrutiny you might want to put your big boy pants on thicken your skin, check your ego and paranoia at the door and try to learn something from the exercise. You can choose ignorance if you would like but that won’t get you very far. And just because you think it so or the voices tell you something is there, most people want evidence or some kind of proof of its existence before they make a leap of faith. There is no such thing as it is because I think it so. Though I tell ya, the more I look at different Beatle resources on the web and in books, the more I'm seeing that virtually NO ONE touches on what I see: TWA is all about America's slide into fascism. There may be a good reason for that. Pick one: o It just isn’t there o People aren’t crazy and are more discerning than you think o You overestimate your exegetical skills o You are delusional o You aren’t who you think you are o You type real fast and never review or edit your writing. Remember running off at the mouth gets you nowhere o All of the above o All of the above and more Oh wait a minute, we're not allowed to discuss things like layers and meanings and spoofs and myth-making. Oh sure you are especially if the discussion isn’t at a level so laughable as to be embarrassing to all concerned. (Please re-read paragraph 3.) I love a good discussion especially if it is carried out at a high level. . . .because that's like dissecting a rabbit or some other living animal, right Martin Blank? That's what your authority D T Suzuki says. If you can’t decipher such a simple thought you need to take some classes or give up. At the least read T.S. Eliot’s essay on metaphysical poetry, Shelley’s Defense of Poetry, Wordsworth’ Preface to Lyrical Ballads, and Cleanth Brooks’ Understanding Poetry. Here’s the exact quote in case you want to think about it some more: Remember a scientific approach to understanding poetry, in which a work of art is rationally taken apart much as one dissects a frog, only eviscerates it and makes it something less — and other — than what it is. D.T. Suzuki recognized the limitations of science in this respect, saying, “The scientific way kills, murders the object and by dissecting the corpse and putting the parts together again tries to reproduce the original living body, which is really a deed of impossibility.” I find those things you point out about Suzuki as deplorable as the next guy but they have no bearing on his views on poetry. Sorry. You got nothing on me. We are not allowed to ponder the beauty of culture. You bet that is what the not-see Nazis want. Clever pun you got there just like old JL himself. Sure you can ponder the beauty of culture any time and anywhere, that‘s what your mind is for. Don’t give up so easily. Peace.
  3. or the words fits the scheme better. or they took the reference from their stay in Miami Beach in early 1964, where they taped an appearance for Sullivan
  4. I believe she said: "A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke."
  5. Apple re-released Spector’s album in 1972. DYLAN: I do know what my songs are about. PLAYBOY: And what’s that? PLAYBOY: Oh and, some are about four minutes, some are about five, and some, believe it or not, are about twelve. Sorry, but I just don’t see any template for a coup d’etat in the album. Neither do I see where it’s about “the murder of our leaders who are for the people and general decency.” The same goes of for it being “about the murder of decency itself.” Ditto for it being about a Theory of Generations and a cycle of 72 or 80 years, and trying to break that cycle.” The only person I know of who “studied” the album to that depth was Charles Manson, and I didn't see any race war in the album either. The following is only sort of partly accurate: “Supposedly, Harrison randomly opened a book and put his finger on the words "gently weeps", then used the I Ching from there.” George Harrison wrote "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" after his return from India, where the Beatles had been studying Transcendental Meditation under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi during the spring of 1968. Inspiration for the song came to him when he was visiting his parents in Warrington, Cheshire, and he began reading the I Ching, or "The Book of Changes". As Harrison put it, "[the book] seemed to me to be based on the Eastern concept that everything is relative to everything else, as opposed to the Western view that things are merely coincidental." Embracing this idea of relativism, he committed to writing a song based on the first words he saw upon opening a book, which happened to be "gently weeps.” (Said book was not the I Ching.) Harrison continued to work on the lyrics after this initial writing session. In the following examples, I think you try too hard to mine meaning from the songs on the album and, as a result, your arguments do not hold water because they really aren’t in the song but are merely constructs of your own mind. In addition, the lyrics are stretched constructs that exist only in your own mind and not in the work itself · “love there that's sleeping" dormant, gone, for all purposes dead. · "floor...needs sweeping" lazy slackers can't take care of even the simplest tasks · "how someone controlled you" land of the greed, home of the slave, and we think we're so independent. · "they bought and sold you" America is a bunch of whores of the Military Complex · "you were diverted" from common decency; "perverted too" 'nuff said, what a shame; "inverted" i. e., reversed from our original goal of freedom and justice; "no one alerted you" = we're such dumb sob's that we have to be warned about the most simple, obvious things like a retarded child. "America, don't stick your hand in the fire." (wage an unnecessary war that will bankrupt us) You are trying too hard in a way that will never allow you to succeed in understanding poetry. To see an excellent example of what I am talking about see William Dowling’s brilliant essay "Ripple": A Minor Excursus” at http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/dowling.html BTW all those musicians came close to equaling one Jerry Garcia. Just my opinion. Dark Star on Live Dead says it all. Peace and Happy Trails. Remember, poetry is not a puzzle to bone solved like some parlor trick
  6. Not since Aesop's Fables and Reynard the Fox have beasts, birds, and pets shared and commingled their selves with ours so completely and revealingly. Jonathan Cott wrote this in the tenth anniversary issue of Rolling Stone and it is about all that needs to be said about the White Album. Remember a scientific approach to understanding poetry, in which a work of art is rationally taken apart much as one dissects a frog, only eviscerates it and makes it something less — and other — than what it is. D.T. Suzuki recognized the limitations of science in this respect, saying, “The scientific way kills, murders the object and by dissecting the corpse and putting the parts together again tries to reproduce the original living body, which is really a deed of impossibility.” save yourself some work and save us from the "treatise" Just listen
  7. anyone hear/know anything about albarelli's new book – Coup in Dallas: Who Killed JFK and Why – that is due out next month. was very impressed his previous two books. thanks marty
  8. almost immediately, i had problems with this: "Sirhan Sirhan’s bullets not only demolished the hope for a savior candidate who would unite a party so fractured that its incumbent, President Lyndon B. Johnson, had decided not to seek re-election." even if he had lived to win the election the powers of the presidency were no guarantee that he would have not been assassinated in office. after all, they hadn't done his brother much good. having lived through that period of american history, i find the what ifs to be useless. you know kind of like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer; it feels so good when you stop. xxxxty as it is, this is the hand we were dealt and it's up to use to honor memories by doing the best we can with it.
  9. can't seem to find list of ohio defectorr. can you point me. thanks
  10. just a side note signifying nothing. he went to my alma mater kenyon college in ohio.
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