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  1. Dougherty's Warren testimony is a load of contradictions. He thought the shots happened before he had his lunch, which was at twelve o"clock. "Mr. BALL - And it also says, this report from Mr. Johnson, states that you told him that just prior to 12 noon you and five other men were working on the sixth floor. Were you?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; we were working on the sixth floor.Mr. BALL - What were you doing?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I was getting some stock off of the sixth floor.Mr. BALL - You weren't helping the men lay floor?Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.Mr. BALL - Did you go down to lunch?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.Mr. BALL - To what floor?Mr. DOUGHERTY - The first floor." He thought that the East Elevator had buttons, then he thought it was the West one which had buttons. "Mr. BALL - Which elevator did you take?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, you see, there's one on this side and one on this side the one on this side is the one I took.Mr. BALL - Well, now, "The one on this side and the one on this side," doesn't mean much when it's written down.Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I know it.Mr. BALL - Can you tell me whether it was the east side or the west side elevator?Mr. DOUGHERTY - East side.Mr. BALL - Is it the one that you punch a button on? Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir. Mr. BALL - I believe that is the west side, isn't it?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, I believe it is. He said he asked Eddy Piper if the President had been shot, then denied he had asked him. "Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, then immediately I heard a loud noise---it sounded like a car backfiring, and I came back down to the first floor, and I asked Eddie Piper, I said, "Piper, what was that?" I says, "Has the President been shot?'. He said, "Yes."Mr. BALL - You didn't say--did you say, 'Has the President been shot?"---you told the FBI agent that you went down to the first floor and you saw a man named Eddie Piper and asked him if he heard a loud noise.Mr. DOUGHERTY - I asked him that too.Mr. BALL - And Piper said he had heard three loud noises and told you that somebody had Just shot the President; is that right?Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.Mr. BALL - Who mentioned the fact that the President had been shot first--- you or Eddie Piper?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Eddie Piper.Mr. BALL - Did you say anything to Piper about the President being shot?Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir.Mr. BALL - When you talked to Eddie Piper, did you know that the President had been shot?Mr. DOUGHERTY - No, sir; I didn't know that at the time.Mr. BALL - When is the first time you heard that the President had been shot? Mr. DOUGHERTY - When Eddie told me that.Mr. BALL - Eddie told you that?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes. He said Shelley told him that he saw Oswald with a large package, when Shelley never said that in his testimony. "Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did. Mr. BALL - Who said that?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened. Shelley to the W.C. "Mr. BALL - On the 22d of November 1963, did you see him come to work that morning?Mr. SHELLEY - No, he was at work when I got there already filling orders. Dougherty was either completely stupid or a paid dis-informant.
  2. Thanks for posting David's posting, Douglas. Makes you realise how lucky you are to be in good health.
  3. Ray Mitcham

    Mrs. Stanton, Mrs. Sanders, where are you?

    I hope I'm still around to answer, Ron.😀
  4. Ray Mitcham

    Mrs. Stanton, Mrs. Sanders, where are you?

    Lovelady was standing like this, Ron.
  5. https://ibb.co/i6QwUx
  6. To me, the blackened area looks like the reflection of the shadow of Air Force One's body. You can see the matching slit of light caused by the shadow of the tailplane (horizontal stabiliser) and the shadow of wing.
  7. Please accept my apologies, Trygve. I should have spelled your name correctly. I wasn't criticising your comments just suggesting what may have happened.
  8. Who said it exited, Trigve? Look at the tracheotomy, does it look like a normal one to you or a butchered attend[mpt to get at a bullet?
  9. LBJ was aboard Air Force One quite some time before the Kennedy clan got aboard. LBJ was there when the coffin with the President in was loaded. What on earth could he have been up to whilst he was on there?
  10. Hi Gene, Zapruder can be seen standing on the pedestal in the Orville Nix film @ 25 second mark.
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    Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    Agreed, James. Sorry for helping DVP to derail your thread. Linnie Mae is said to have seen Oswald through the narrow slats shown in the photos, and behind Frazier's car which is almost impossible to discern through the slats. Certainly throw a lot of doubt over her testimony.
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    Lmao. It would be noticeable, David. i.e observable. Note what I wrote. "Try cutting apiece of timber to 34.8" long and hold it in your hand and ask somebody to stand behind you to see if it is noticeable." I said nothing about it being noticeable to Oswald. Do try to keep up, son. Anybody walking behind somebody with a package sticking 12" above his shoulder would certainly have been noticed.
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    Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    Only in your mind, David. only in your mind.
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    Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    Nope. Just like you can't prove that he didn't pay "virtually any attention at all" to the bag. Try cutting apiece of timber to 34.8" long and hold it in your hand and ask somebody to stand behind you to see if it is noticeable.
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    Funny how "didn't pay much attention to the package" morphs into "NO ATTENTION at all", in the mind of a Felucca. "Mr. BALL - What did the package look like? Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long. Mr. BALL - It was, what part of the back seat was it in? Mr. FRAZIER - It was in his side over on his side in the far back. Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up? Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat. Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it? Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches." Doesn't sound like NO ATTENTION at all to me. Walking behind Oswald, Frazier would have noticed a package sticking up 12" above his shoulder.
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    So the length 34.8" blows both Oswald 's 24" and Randle's 27" estimates out of the water. If Oswald had been carrying a bag carrying a 34.8" long the top of the bag would have been showing about 12" above his shoulder, (Again, I've just tried it with a piece of 2"x 1" 34.8" long) which would have easily have been seen by Frazier. There are two alternatives to the rifle being in the bag. 1. There never was a bag. 2. The bag (if there was one) carried something other than a broken down rifle.
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    What is the length of the longest piece of a broken down Carcano, David?
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    Thank you, David. Now re Randle, she estimated the bag as being 27", and you accept her estimate, but you don't accept what she said about the bag being carried across the road with it held at the top like a baseball bat, the bottom not touching the floor. Again, I've just measured the 2"x1" hanging from my hand and the bottom of the piece is about two inches from the floor. (A 27" bag would have been touching the floor.) Why would her estimate of 27" be nearer that of Frazier, who not only saw the bag on the rear seat of his car, but also Oswald carrying it as he said cupped in his hand and armpit?
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    Was Dan Rather holding a paper bag full off rifle bits?
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    Quote By DVP. "But a 27" object No way." Quotes on the length by Frazier. Frazier First day affidavit. “ It must have been about 2' long,” Frazier to the Shaw trial “Q: How much of the back seat did the package occupy? A: I would say roughly around two feet, give or take a few inches. “ Frazier to the Warren Con. “Mr. BALL - What did the package look like? Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long. “
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    As I said you've obviously never carried a rifle in that way. And you certainly would never carry a paper bag containing a broken down rifle in that way.
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    I've just cut a piece of 2x1 to the length of 24" and it fits perfectly cupped between my hand and my armpit.
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    It would be very difficult to hold a rifle in a bag held front of your shoulder for any distance. You've obviously never carried a rifle in that way.
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