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  1. Cliff, I'll go this far - it is not at all a standard UFO book, instead it does two things. First it provides a detailed history of the national security community (Air Force, Navy, AEC and CIA) in its engagement with UFO reports, particularly reports from military installations, pilots etc - with a focus on the atomic warfare complex. Secondly it performs a basic indications analysis (a technique derived from a warnings/threat intelligence) related to those types of incidents and reports. Anything more can be found in the Amazon description: https://www.amazon.com/Unidentified-National-Intelligence-Problem-UFOs/dp/069289229X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Anyone that wants to discuss the book or UFO's (in more contemporary scientific usage UAP's, unidentified aerial phenomena) is welcome to email me at larryjoe@westok.net
  2. Paul, given that I'm the only one around here who has actually published a book on this subject (and helped Seamus in his original article that Jim referenced) I'm going to jump in this far and recommend not my book but a couple of others. First a very good book which addresses your question and several related ones - Mirage Men by Mark Pilkington. Anyone who is seriously interested in how disinformation gets inserted into the UFO subject should give it a read (and yes there are credible national security reasons for some of it given that UFO researchers can serve as an open intelligence collections device for foreign services). An example of one national security response of that nature can be found in Project Beta by Greg Bishop.
  3. Its not something I recall in his books but Jim was not a bashful type in person - for that matter he never portrayed himself as a JFK researcher or a historian of any sort, he represented himself as a reporter, uncovering news items and reporting them. That did enable him to write some pretty lively books on other topics as well - grin. Generally speaking his Lancer presentations were not research pieces like most of the other presenters, they were more in the context of his personal experiences reporting on the assassination and the context of contemporary Dallas - which is where Ruby's club and the twist came into view.
  4. Jim made no secret of his visits to the Carousel.... At a couple of Lancer conferences Jim revisited his twist experience at the Carousel by dancing with Beverly Oliver. ...a bit more slowly than circa 62/63 of course.
  5. James, I'm puzzled, most of the links in the article that I checked go to primary sources, the documents themselves - existing on on the MFF site and available for immediate reference?
  6. Yes, there has been discussion for some years that Barnes had been assigned to Domestic Operations after his role in the Cuba Project and that Hunt was placed there circa 1963. It appears that was sort of a holding area for Hunt, given that he was also working on side activities including a connection to Manuel Artime and the AMWORLD project (even given Henry Hecksher's objection) based solely on his personal friendship with Artime. What exactly Hunt was doing under Barnes in 1963 would be very interesting to know. Beyond that it certainly appears that Hunt was given a cover assignment in Spain circa 1964 in hopes that Artime would develop an autonomous international cover there as well as in Central America. As far as Barnes goes, its important to remember that Domestic Operations included not only the contact activities, and domestic intelligence collections but also the creation of domestic covers in support of CIA operations overseas...that had been something Barnes was involved with even in the years before this particular assignment. Bill's work on the Domestic Contacts group as linked to Oswald is fascinating.....as is his overall theme which is the construction of a legend for Oswald....everyone should give his paper a through read.
  7. Among other things - including his well documented political assessment of Oswald - Bill's new work on the Domestic Contacts Division and its "Guides" is remarkable; the DCD has been discussed here before and Bill really takes it to another level in demonstrating exactly how the Domestic Contacts Division dealt with Lee Oswald.
  8. One of the special things about some in the group was that they had received advanced training in infiltration, exfiltration and a variety of covert field intelligence collection techniques - that came along with their selection for covert maritime operations into Cuba before the Bay of Pig's landings. On their way to those operations out of the Keys, they were selected and received advanced tactical training at the Belle Chase facility in the first months of 1961, a camp very quickly scrapped together and run by Grayston Lynch. At least one of them, Victor Hernandez, had lived in New Orleans while attending college and had family members there.
  9. Hi Anthony, I'll jump in but I'm sure David will join in as well. The reason these fellows (wh0 were DRE affiliated but also were or had been operational with JMWAVE at different points) were outside New Orleans was two fold. First Mike McClaney was funding the bombing project and they were using a rural house owned by his brother to store the materials and second they needed somewhere far away from Florida because their first effort at the bombing mission had been bused by the FBI in Miami. This was not a camp per se, it was a house with a covered porch which housed some of the materials, the rest were in a U Haul which Victor Hernandez had rented in St Louis and used to haul the explosives from the Chicago area (all of this is in a footnote in the paper including a timeline). There is no indication that David Ferrie was involved in this at all, the participants were all from Miami and are named in the FBI investigation. There was a small training camp operating near there at the same time, organized by the MDC out of Miami, that is described as well....after the FBI bust at the McClaney home that camp emptied out pretty quickly and the guys went back to Miami by bus. It has been a short term effort, very minimally funded, the trainees were expected to go to Nicaragua - where Artime was planning to open his MRR camp (a cover for AWORLD). As to Oswald, actually the links between Oswald in New Orleans and our conspiracy suspects in Miami are becoming quite clear...both on the DRE side within DRE itself at its headquarters, but also to two different sections of JMWAVE...within both its foreign intelligence group and the DRE case officers. We tend to think of Oswald not being well known outside New Orleans at that point in time but he was so well known in Miami that DRE sent out press releases about him, sent warning letters to Congress addressing he and the FPCC - and the same material was actually reproduced by other exile groups there. I should add, there is only one instance I am aware of where Ferrie was definitely associated with some sort of potential training camp and that was in the later summer/early fall of 1962. I have photographs of his meeting with and actually flying around Larry DeJoseph scouting for a location for a CRC sponsored camp. This was during the period when Sturgis and Hemming were cooperating on their INTERPEN promotion and the CRC was looking to get out from under the FBI and INS surveillance in the Miami area. As far as I know the camp never really jelled because the Cuban Missile crisis came along and things went a lot of different directions after that. The photos do prove that Ferrie was connected in some fashion to at least LaBorde and Sturgis at that point in time - but that's all I have on it. The connection may well have been via the CRC representative in New Orleans.
  10. I surely hope Steve, whom I met twice in Dallas as I recall, is able to find a local publisher for Ian's work - that normally makes things much easier. Knowing Ian I would expect what he had in print to be in good shape. However if that does not work out there I'm sure Debra at JFK Lancer would take a look at it for Steve.
  11. Duh, I should have said post-BOP Paul, my mistake. The CIA kept running missions like that into Cuba though 1961, with pretty much the same lack of success. As a matter of fact some of the same maritime mission folks that participated in them pre-Bay of Pigs continued in the operations for much of 1961 and into 1962. Victor Hernandez was one of those and he complained bitterly about how badly they were organized...in instances finding the ammunition supplied did not even match the weapons being issued. In Operation Pepe for example John Koch Gene was one of those post BOP volunteers . JMBARR was one of the operations bases used for the missions, at Key West - everyone should check the MFF crypt list, Bill has been adding numbers of new crypts: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php The supplies mentioned in the document Steve posted were definitely coming from the CIA - I have still seen no sign of any involvement of Skorzeny with the folks we are exploring in the Wheaton leads or for that matter in anti-Castro activities from 59-63. Which is not to say independents may not have met with him. As far as Morales goes, I have him using aliases of Dr. Menza, Nelson Raynock, Henry Benson and Henry Beckoff, but David and Bill may have more, they are working the pseudonyms and aliases in a major fashion and I can't say I'm keeping up with them. They are posting their work in a brand new section on MFF titled "Pseudonyms and Aliases" - that should be mandatory reading for any one following this subject - its ground breaking work: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/pseudodb.php
  12. That's one of the pre-BOP infiltration/supply operations that David and I write about in the Wheaton Lead paper...there were a couple of dozen of them at least, each with their own code name. Most either aborted or failed to connect and deliver. I'm sure David has more details or could give a larger list. Those missions were carried out by the maritime cadre that had trained under Jenkins and then were given advanced training and inserted on missions from bases in the Keys.
  13. To my understanding Ian's son does have his manuscript; I'm not in direct contact with him but I've offered via DPUK to assist if he wants help in publisher and Lancer very likely would help....Debra had offered to publish his DPD book but it never quite got to the stage where he wanted to release it....like many encyclopedic works I suspect they never seem quite done. Per Ron's upcoming read, there is indeed a lot of non-Ruby material in the book but Ian did a good bit of first hand investigative work in Dallas and you will find material from that which is really quite unique. Not all of it made it into the book; I recall Ian presenting on an interview that he had done with a couple of folks who worked in the TSBD. One had been out of town on Friday but returned on Sunday as I recall and just walked into the TSBD, the building was totally unsecured and he walked around much of it seeing nobody or any security. He also said he was frequently not locked until very late at night because people in the different book companies needed to come and go int the evening. When you put that together with Day's remarks about news people and others all over the building you realize how seriously contaminated the building was and how easy it would have been to recover something - like say a rifle stashed in a wooden book packing case or even to plant something that would turn up later. I'll be surprised if Ron doesn't come across some new material in the book....like the Olson contacts or the details of the "line up" that sort of happened but didn't because they didn't get the ID they wanted...
  14. Just for reference, Ian's book No Case to Answer also has a great deal about his research on Ruby including his follow up effort to locate Kathy Kay and Harry Olson....a very suspicious tangent to the whole Ruby Question. I really recommend Ian's book, it is one of the best and probably least read JFK research books, along with William Law's work on Bethesda. Its a shame that Ian's huge, decades long research book on the DPD did not make it into print, it would be the best possible resource on the DPD officers....it would certainly be great if DPUK could help make it happen, his son has the manuscript as I understand it. I'll drop Deb a note that you got the right DVD after all Ron...
  15. Matt, it is hard to imagine - having lived and been a little politically conscious during JFK's Administration - and lived in what we would now call a dark Red state, its hard to convey the depth of personal hatred that did exist against JFK in certain circles. He was considered a traitor to his race, either a full blown closet communist or naive to the point of treason. It was not a period (as it is for some know) to think much about challenges as JFK did, or to be pragmatic, or to compromise....the folks I'm talking about considered themselves at war and you were reacted to everything automatically in knee jerk fashion or you were probably a threat or worse...I know people now who feel almost as strongly about anyone who does not fervently support Donald Trump....actually I hope its "almost", in some instances I'm not certain. Then multiply that for the Cuban exiles discussed in this thread, JFK was seen as not only been cowardly in refusing to confront Castro and Russia militarily but in the process of literally giving away their homeland, their families on the island, their heritage. That's powerful stuff. I have no first hand knowledge, but have been told by people from Miami that those involved were proud of what they had done to their death...most did not have second thoughts as Martino did. And they were respected for their life long struggles against communism and Castro. What they did along the way didn't matter, it was their commitment that counted. What went on in the minds of those who enabled them or knew what they had done is impossible to imagine, maybe that changed over time, maybe not. I can't guess why Jenkins would be so bitter and Quintero apparently not. But given that both men were socially quite close to Wheaton at the time, I get the impression that they felt he had betrayed their confidence and they certainly were not going to do that to men they had been much closer too years earlier.
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