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  1. I would also add that circa 67 and 68 other groups - generally known as the Dixie Mafia - were competing with Marcello and had enough nerve and clout to muscle in on several of his ventures and even rob a few of them. Marcello's reputation has been considerably enhanced by a number of authors who have written about him. -
  2. Its important to realize that Nagell's story is very "situational", while he did not change the most fundamental parts he did adjust his dialog at times when he was reaching out to Congressmen while in prison, seeking a settlement over his disability and especially when he was bargaining with the CIA for help in getting custody over his children (he did that deal, went to Europe and got the kids back). I spent a huge amount of time putting his remarks/documents in chronological order and analyzing all that in a CD that is available from JFK Lancer. If you want the full story its there. I've worked with Dick on Nagell and touched based with some of the same corroborative sources and its certainly necessary to be cautious. I also worked with an Air Force security officer who was stationed at Atsugi right after Oswald left and he added some very useful context - one of the real mysteries of that though is that there is a photo on Oswald's camera film that shows a jets on a flight line...to get close enough to take that photo somebody had to have access security and the really strange thing is that a check on the aircraft's tail number reveals the location is at a base in Washington State, someplace Oswald was never known to have been...
  3. Nagell was interviewed by Garrison in person in 1968. However Nagell was in prison and the ongoing contacts were supposed to be with Garrison's volunteer - until Nagell began to mistrust him and broke it off. That's why he did not become an actual figure in Garrison's grand jury or trial work.
  4. The reason Nagell told nothing to Garrison is that he viewed the volunteer investigator sent to him from Garrison to have CIA connections and be a plant .....it was indeed confirmed years later that the fellow did have intel community connections and like many of Garrisons "volunteers" was really there to either spike or divert Garrison. Negell's caution was correct. As to Oswald's motive, in regard to assassination JFK he had none since that was not part of what he was doing...which was serving voluntarily as a dangle to the the Cuban exiles and other FBI targets. Its also important to remember that Nagell's 1963 contacts with Oswald were limited and stopped as of New Orleans, therefore it was highly unlikely that he could give more detail than he did - which was to continually warn that Cuban exiles posed a threat to JFK; the threat Nagell knew about was in DC....which is corroborated by Oswald's letters about moving to DC in Sept.
  5. In reply to Bob's comment....(and I did work with telephone switching equipment for some 12 years), there were test numbers which would generate calls for troubleshooting and other types of switch testing - but that would be entirely different from a WATs line. And of course there would be no need to specify the name of who you were giving the number to - like to Judyth or Oswald. And yes they were routinely changed. Long distance test and maintenance calls were billed, those sorts of test calls went to special maintenance and test accounts. And of course with the right type of signalling you could fool the billing system entirely. Again, nothing to do with WATS. Interestingly the first hacking started a in the mid-sixties, with things called Blue Boxes that could fool a switch into making free calls using the right type of signaling....and totally passing the billing systems.....a thing in the college world of the sixties... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box
  6. Yes, I don't recall the specifics but Lansdale had something like a 138 step program with details for each step....the sort of thing McNamara might have liked, sort of like a GANTT chart for anyone familiar with that type of program management. Looks great in presentations but the CIA paramilitary guys were well aware that sort of plan quickly falls apart once the actual engagements begin. But Lansdale was great presenter and tended to be very convincing in writing reports and doing presentations - he managed to convince JFK in regard to his strategies for Vietnam and of course for Cuba. JFK proposed him for both Station Chief and Ambassador in Saigon and all parties involved - JCS, State and DCI adamantly opposed both proposals.
  7. It might be good for anyone interested to read Walt Brown's new book on Judyth.... https://www.amazon.com/Judyth-Vary-Baker-Edited-Commentary-ebook/dp/B07RH9FXBG
  8. There are lots of documents on Veciana that are online, I referenced a number of them with RIF numbers in SWHT but surely there are more now....and John gives lots of RIF numbers in his citations; you would have to search them but then again many should either be on MFF or Black Vault. As to Lansdale in the tramps photo in the Plaza, its pretty much like all the images from the Plaza, you will find folks that accept its Lansdale and lots who don't. One of the things to remember about Lansdale was that he was not a covert ops guy in the sense of paramilitary action...he was a psychwarfare/counter insurgency specialist but if you look at his contacts and connections they were not really in CIA operations - in fact most of the CIA ops folks thought his Mongoose plans were totally unrealistic. Interestingly my friend David Boylan just ran across a new document when Lansdale was at the Pentagon; both of them got involved with CIA requests to facilitate support for the Cuba Project and the CIA officers in that program thought both of them (mostly Prouty) were pains in the rear and and little good to say about the support they received from the Joint Chiefs, DOD or the Pentagon.
  9. I got into the Army / Veciana files several years ago and Army was clearly using Alpha 66 as a source of intelligence on Cuba, military intel including requests for any Soviet weapons they could collect. But this was regional Army intel, with reporting up to HQ. Veciana did have an Army crypt and they certainly were in touch with him after Alpha 66 was formed. Separately I found CIA documents which said they had inside assets giving them input on Alpha 66 raids before hand and afterwards but they were just sitting back and watching - this was out of JMWAVE - and not trying to stop them as they really should have been. Morales made a comment that Alpha 66 would be really surprised if they knew. And in spring 1963, the Army folks on the Cuba team proposed using Alpha 66 for missions, it was just a proposal, and CIA responded that they could not be controlled and as far as the documents I saw it was dropped at that point. So....not sure where John is going with this but Army contact with Veciana and Alpha 66 is in itself not a new story.
  10. For a little more background, circa 1963 a WATS line would have been a connection between two businesses - each with the equipment to serve as a local exchange for the telephones attached to it i.e. a PBX or private business exchange. Those went into long buildings and a WATS connection would have been accessed only though the phones connected to it. There was not dial up WATS service until some years later. In 1963 pay phone access to WATS was not happening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Telephone_Service
  11. Ooops....I put this in another thread by mistake, this is where it fits... Jim asked the other Larry but for those interested, here is the CAPA November In Dallas information: https://capa-us.org/capa-2019-november-in-dallas-conference/
  12. Jim asked the other Larry but for those interested, here is the CAPA November In Dallas information: https://capa-us.org/capa-2019-november-in-dallas-conference/
  13. Well said Pat...you can put that one in stone and set it outside the TSBD...
  14. Robert, we certainly want to be as transparent about MFF as possible...just so you know, MFF at this point is pretty much one person - Rex Bradford - from an operational standpoint; Rex does all the software work, including all the interfaces and bringing document files on board. The Board for MFF includes myself, Bill Simpich, Debra Conway, Jeff Morley and Rex himself. We do have a number of volunteers who help with projects like the recent work on pseudos and aliases, but the organization is strictly non profit and more a volunteer effort than anything else at this point. Rex also does ongoing communications with the folks at NARA. For a couple of years the major work was bringing on new document releases and checking on NARA to try and determine that we had all they were claiming to be released...that was a huge project in itself for Rex. We certainly want to be upfront that the document contents are not totally comprehensive; we have gotten major document shares from the ARRC in the past but at the moment most of the work is going into making searches easier to do and adding aids...like the crypto, psuedo list. I'd like to get all the FRUS documents on MFF as State Department often reveals a lot of things the CIA doesn't want to discuss and while they are available from FRUS, they are not really searchable. As for myself and searches, depending on what sort of document I'm looking for, MFF is usually only one of the places I look but I usually start there because I find searchers easier and the document formatting more useful. On the other hand if I'm looking for a specific document on an individual or project, and its not there I definitely go elsewhere, as with Ernie's FBI files. And if its military - heaven help us all...the service historians can be very helpful with things like regular unit and oral histories but for operations there have been so many changes over the years ....
  15. Wow, what a suggestive thread title....anyway, a brief response your question, although I'm not the best to give it, is to look at the sources of documents on MFF. The vast majority come from government assassination investigations, from files released to NARA by government agencies. It is also composed of material that Mary Ferrell collected herself, back in the earliest days of FOIA and and document requests...plus others donated by private researchers like myself. That means that the site is heavily weighted towards documents related to JFK and the subjects of other government investigations and inquiries. And some things are missing, this week I happened to look though some 30 different documents that I obtained from NARA back in the early 90's and found that at least two of them are not online at MFF. David's suggestion to look at Ernie's material is an excellent one since it is far more heavily weighted to FBI files. When Stu and I were working FBI files on the MLK investigations it turned out that MFF did not turn out to be our primary source and that meant lots of work directly with the FBI and at NARA. MFF is certainly not the total archival solution, Black Vault, the National Security Archives and university collections have material MFF does not . Recently David and I have been researching a subject not directly related to JFK and about half the files of interest came from Black Vault. Of course even MFF has specialty file collections too, from the 1970s and 1960s on Watergate, Iran-Contra etc. Actually the best real answer to your question would be to email Rex Bradford directly with that name and get his take on why it might not show up on MFF.
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