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  1. Dale Thorn

    Dale Thorn

    The "database" is a collection of articles pasted together with logical or intelligent separators between each article, into a large plaintext file. Pasteups are extremely simple and automated - all that's required is for each article to have a relevant header and filename. Indexes are generated by an indexing program, which can be set to index each word (using an exclude list for "and", "the", etc.) or index phrases consisting of a defined number of words. I generate multiple indexes and then access each through a "carousel"-style menu. None of this was ever converted to Windows code, so the databases weren't sold after ca. 1999. Still, they do a lot more lots quicker in DOS..... Access to the "database" is through the index screen that shows 40 or so results per screen surrounded by context, toggles to the actual text (which allows string/substring searches in the body of text) and returns to the index as needed. The toolset also allows creation of dictionaries, paragraph queries, etc.
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    Dale Thorn

    Bio: Hometown Akron OH, U.S. Army '66 - '69, lived in L.A. area from '81 to '07, currently in Charleston SC. From '92 to circa '97 developed a "JFK database" based on articles listed in attached 'Jfk.txt'. My contribution to the database was software I developed to index the large body of text so words and topics could be looked up instantly. Nobody else has ever done a project like that, since the program supports multiple databases of different types and allows building new ones etc., and source code is included. I can't vouch for all of the material in my collection, especially the Paul Hoch writing, but I included it because of names and places referenced. I have current reviews on Amazon for Mark Lane's Last Word and Fred Newcomb's Murder From Within. In 1992 and going forward I read about 35 books on the assassination. I once had a one-on-one debate with Kal Korff.
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    Roger Craig

    Craig, like many people who worked in that area in 1963, was just another quirky guy who happened to enjoy the deputy sheriff job, or it just paid better than the alternatives. A relatively unsophisticated man, whose expertise was guns and shooting, he would be woefully unprepared to deal directly with the crooks from Washington DC. I'm 99.9 percent certain that Craig was as honest as they get, and the fact that we know as much from him as we do in the middle of a big Secret Service murder of the president of the U.S. is a miracle itself.
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    The Ultimate USAEC secrets per the JFK hit.

    Johnson not only took immediate charge, he cleansed the limo, grabbed clothing from Henry Gonzales' possession and laundered it, had the SS (which he controlled) take possession of the body and mangle that evidence. Everything points to LBJ, not as plot instigator, but as the key coverup man, who BTW was the no. 1 beneficiary.
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    Insights

    Which shot nicked Tague with the piece of flying concrete? The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, six, seventh, ... ? --Tommy The shots were apparently in volleys, so that probably adds confusion as to the sequence number of any one shot.
  6. Our most basic problem that has never been addressed is that we allowed the chief suspect in the crime to control all of the evidence and investigations from the beginning. This is absurd. We know of course that new laws have made the killing of the president a federal crime, but even then, the highest federal law enforcement official is under direct control of the successor to the dead president, so the new laws still allow the chief suspect to control all of the evidence and investigations. Does anyone else see a problem with this? An analogy would be if a woman is murdered in her home, and she has a husband or boyfriend, they are usually the first suspect. If the suspect has an alibi, the alibi does not preclude the suspect having hired a third party to murder the victim. This is even more true with a political murder. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, oversaw the murder of JFK, RFK, and MLK.
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    One of the interesting points about the shooting sequence based on the assumption of all shots originating in the 6th floor sniper's nest is the trajectory down to the curb near where James Tague was standing. From what I remember, that shot is very, very wide of the president's car. It's hard to believe it was accidental (when shot from the sniper's nest).
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    The problem you'll have getting this to sink in to the general consciousness is 49 years of acceptance by the JFK research community to argue around this standard. Our acceptance of rumor, false evidence, speculation etc. for argument's sake, along with our acceptance of the notion of 'Conspiracy Theory' and 'Conspiracy Theorists' has cost us a lot of traction in this case.
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    He does seem to have gotten a revolver, but there are only two *reasonable* possibilities for shells found near Tippit's body. 1) The revolver shells were planted, not ejected from the gun, or 2) They were ejected by the semi-automatic handgun used to shoot Tippit. Don't even try to pass the notion to this jury member that Oswald would frame himself by emptying a revolver next to Tippit's body. EDIT: It might also help for persons who have experience with low-cost revolvers to describe the process of emptying and reloading. In the JFK film they have one scene of that based on the Oswald example, but where they show the shells falling out easily while the killer is moving quickly, it doesn't square with my experience. In my experience with the lower-cost revolvers, the shells are usually difficult to remove, more often than not requiring use of the ejector tool, and you can't do that while running.
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    State your very best couple of evidences then, since you're dealing with a lot of very knowledgable readers here who will quickly deconstruct anything less than the best.
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    I've taken the position for a long time that Conspiracy Theorist is one of the rare hate-word terms still allowed in general discourse, especially major media, to characterize honest persons and real researchers as just the opposite. Since Barry's book is about evidence, I'd suggest looking at that instead of using the disinformation technique of character assassination.
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    Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

    Good to see David posting here. If he wasn't I'd be concerned he was somewhere else getting into trouble. But since we have those two things that prove beyond a reasonable doubt Oswald's guilt, I'd better take that wrapped up package of hangers out of my car before someone thinks I'm about to go on a shooting rampage. And g_d forbid there be an oil stain on the package. Ah, but why worry, it can always be added later. As to the rifle assassinating the president, who knows? The rifle could have been anywhere during the actual shooting, although I'd suggest it would have to be fairly close to the car since the scope was unusable. In any case, if I were taking the Single Bullet scenario to a real jury, I think I'd revert back to the Mauser and say the Carcano was also found but not fired, just so we have a real rifle capable of such incredible performance. Tying the Mauser to Oswald wouldn't be a problem - just say DeMohrenschildt gave it to him.
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    John Simkin

    The controllers are getting their way here, and the truly sincere are leaving. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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    Billy Swanson

    Billy, the reason this case is so important, and the reason there is so much disinformation and lying and coverup and even murder of witnesses and investigators is because of who did it. Not a lone nut, but persons in authority in the United States. I don't mean to be pessimistic or scare anyone, but I can tell you that the closer you get to making a difference in this case, the greater will be the backlash against you from the keepers of the official secrets. This is not an old case - the JFK case is very much current events. There are some very important things you need to do to insure your effectiveness, and those are to learn to identify disinformation people (who are very subtle and clever), and to avoid being drawn into discussions that tie you up and waste your time, by those same people. To get some idea of what you're up against if you start your own blog or forum, read as much as you can about projects like Mockingbird where the CIA gained control of every major news outlet in the U.S., and maintains that control to this day. Read also about Northwoods and the reality of military terrorism in the U.S., which in my view and the view of many other good people includes 9/11. Many good people have lost their lives battling government corruption, and the JFK case is the Rosetta Stone of modern day government corruption. If you are able to develop a forum or blog on JFK, try to learn how disinformants work and keep them off, because their highest priority is to discourage other people from participating by whatever means they can use to accomplish that. Screening people is probably the most difficult thing in the world to do, but our examples from real life show that the really influential persons who are assassinated are almost always done in by someone on the inside. That may even apply to JFK.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    Gil, you might want to expand a couple of items. At the Tippit scene, the shells were obviously planted, since revolvers don't eject shells. On the jet effect, it requires a true "head snap", not a "body snap". Note how Kennedy's entire upper torso is thrust backward, and Jackie behind him (in relation to the camera) does not move an inch. So the head snap is actually a body thrust, where the torso weighs 20 times as much as the head, and Jackie doesn't move even slightly, so it wasn't accelleration of the car. And don't let anyone bully you on those revolver shells. They are quite obviously planted "evidence".
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    I think what Robert said is all relevant. At the top we have Harriman and his Skull-n-Bones'ers, McCloy, Rocky, Dulles - basically the guys who had the power to hobnob with the Nazis and walk away clean. Support of the joint chiefs would be necessary. Johnson would be required at the core, if the coup wasn't to go public. But in spite of the golden-boy committee that decided JFK must die, the assassination still had that very unique, perhaps unique in the entire world up until then (and after) character of a revenge hit for a double cross. If the mob wants someone out of the way, they shoot him. If they want serious revenge, they take him back to the meat packing plant and burn off his private parts with hot irons etc. They couldn't do that to Kennedy, but they did the best they could, splattering his brains all over the road. Note: I'm not suggesting this as a mob hit "as mafia", although they got to take part. I'm suggesting a much bigger mob acting in that style.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    LBJ was certainly not at or near the top, in my opinion. But being the president, he had all the legal authority in the world after swearing in, so naturally he would be the man at the core of the coverup after the assassination, as far as deflecting independent investigations goes. Certainly all those fascist guys on the WC were no threat to expose anything. But Johnson as president could wreak total havoc on a lot of very important people if he turned on the plotters, and I really doubt they would do the assassination the way they did if they weren't assured of Johnson's complete cooperation. Edit: Rostow, yep. Fits like a glove.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    The Secret Service clearly had a stand-down. Given the total absence of a response to the shots to Kennedy, that much is obvious. I can't agree that the late night drinking would make the Secret Service completely non-responsive. The driver even turned around twice to look, and the passenger agent once. Just unbelievable. That Johnson coming into office would be unaware of the coup given the massive drama - doesn't make sense. Being aware of the coup and not an active signatory? Doesn't make sense, especially when we see the followup. The car is cleansed. The body is whisked out of Dallas. Jackie is evicted from the White House within a couple of days. Moyers suggests the coverup in a memo to Katzenbach. Of course LBJ didn't *want* the WC - after all, look at all the evidence they dumped on us with those 26 volumes. The 9/11 commission didn't make that gargantuan error. Johnson being the murdering SOB he was well known to be in Texas was perfect for the coverup and the subsequent war. If LBJ were truly afraid of the CIA he could have used his TV time to indict those guys and have them rounded up immediately. The joint chiefs? They're nowhere without an army behind them. Armies take time to mobilize. Johnson could have called out the national guard and declared martial law, and rounded up the likely suspects. But Johnson's demeanor over those few days was not suggestive of a man who fell into a coup vaguely aware. His demeanor was very positive and aggressive. If you put me in his position and had people talking to me about my fears, my anxieties etc. relating to the assassination and aftermath, I could play dumb and coy and all that. Sincerity is the key to good acting. Once you can fake that the rest is easy. We had nothing like the Kennedy assassination before or since. It was a major drama. Like a mafia killing, meant to send a clear message. Like a military killing, done by snipers. I'm trying to imagine Johnson wanting a Texas investigation into Kennedy's murder that would not uncover enough dirt on Johnson himself to bury him. Nah. And perhaps the late-night meeting was embellished. But I can't imagine a better place for the key players in the assassination and coverup to be when a coup is about to take place. If the military and their bosses wanted to allow the coup to go public, then the meeting could be more casual and/or have fewer players. But when the intent is to cover it up, you need better control. My feeling is that this assassination has been trivialized to some degree as a quest for more war, more money, less Kennedy - as though Kennedy were some kind of pest. I don't think so. Kennedy got the drama treatment because the killers wanted everyone (everyone who's smart) to know that Kennedy double-crossed the wrong people on something big, and they had to set an example. All those other benefits to killing Kennedy could be considered to be spoils of war - the war on John Kennedy that is. And I don't think it's a coincidence that no president was elected from the majority population center of the U.S. for 48 years, or that the big three (John, Bobby, Martin) were killed in the same areas where all those new presidents came from. Call it Civil War #2, and this time the South won - big.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    Statements to the effect that LBJ was more of an observer than an active plotter don't square with the evidence. LBJ hopped into his role like the Easter bunny, destroying evidence, squashing investigations, and having people silenced just like old times in Texas. Statements that Hoover got involved "because he was going to be retired" by Kennedy seem rather dubious as well. As bad as Hoover was, I don't see him willing to murder the president just because he would be involuntarily retired. There had to be a larger reason, and I doubt that the meeting at Murchison's consisted mainly of disparate individuals sharpening their respective knives. I think a larger story had to be presented that painted Kennedy not just as a threat to a few careers or even a few financial matters. Kennedy had to be represented as a mortal danger to the U.S. (or the U.S. economy as a whole), if not to the whole world, in order to draw these men and their large organizations into a dramatic (though disclaimed) coup. If it were just the individual issues and some crankiness about corporate and military profits, they would have killed Kennedy the old fashioned way and not had to do such a massive cleanup afterward.
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    The Backyard Photos

    Honestly Paul, to a careful, specially trained eye and/or specialist in photography (as well as digital photography these days), I do not believe it was possible. They obviously (no sarcasm intended) tried very hard and failed ultimately. These days given the entire digital era, etc, it may be possible but then again, to the specialist who knows exactly what to look for, etc, perhaps it still is impossible ultimately. Mostly when people work in Photoshop (for example), they try to use the quick-fix tools that offer Photoshop's own built-in intelligence, i.e. a "healing brush" or some such thing, which can more or less blend two discontinuous areas of the image to effectively erase the separation line as people have noted in Oswald's chin area. But there is a tool that's not generally used for that purpose because it involves more tedium and the potential for smearing, and that's the clone tool. By copying (cloning) pixels that are adjacent to the line or other artifact that needs to be erased, you're not creating "new" pixels which would be the analogy to creating new paint to restore an old painting etc. So if done carefully to avoid smearing, the line or artifact can truly seem to disappear. Depending on the amount of time and effort put into it, even the best experts might not be able to find the original defect with positive assurance. Whether something like what I described could be done in 1963 - I think it's actually possible, but it would probably be a larger-scale operation like was done with films, to make a new film from the original with the applied edits. Then again, if I had to get a composite photo past a panel of real experts, I wouldn't use a square chin to represent someone like Oswald who had a narrower chin.
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    The Backyard Photos

    The irony is, I would have cleaned them up some, even if they were real. Ignoring the people who may have created these, I imagine there were a few people who saw these early on and said "WTF???" - or something similar. I know there were people who made much of the Minox camera they found, but no biggie - every photo hobbyist then wanted a Minox or had one - I had three. But I sure wouldn't hang out a sign saying "Spy for hire", especially if I were an ex-defector to the Soviet Union. This is so mind-boggling I catch myself laughing. I actually feel sorry for the Dallas police, having this craziness dumped on them just after the president is killed on their streets. Edit: That's a really beautiful ghost overlay, BTW. Thanks.
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    The Backyard Photos

    I remember that unfinished photo - fascinating stuff! I suppose that since the military hadn't had a successful coup prior to 1963 (in the U.S.), they didn't have a good idea just how much evidence they would have to clean up. They did a much better job in the RFK case, excepting the coroner's report of the shot to the back of the head from 2 inches or so away. In M.L. King's case they apparently didn't have to have a close-up shooter, or maybe I just missed it. I do remember clearly that day in 1995 when we did the tests, and it gave me a chill that I won't forget, realizing from my in-person demo that the media who published it knew it was fake, and they knew that any number of people who examined it would see the fakery, and yet they published it anyway thinking they could actually get away with it. And nowdays guys like Posner and Bugliosi will look you right in the eye and tell you it's real. Wowee.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    Although I don't believe it happened, a sudden acceleration of the car would also account for the upper torso to be thrown against the back seat. - BK I have wondered about that too, although if you look at where Jackie is, she shows no movement at all while Jack is flung backward.
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    The Backyard Photos

    Reading about the photos is one thing. My wife and I tried that scenario on a walk in Beverly Hills circa 1995. There was no case where I could stand looking straight forward with a shadow under my nose straight down and a shadow behind my body at an angle as depicted in the best-known backyard photo. We did try twisting and turning different ways, and at different times of day to get a different angle of sun. Nothing was convincing. It would be interesting to see someone demonstrate that in public, in front of a crowd. It's a real eye-opener.
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    Conspiracy Theorists v Lone Nutters

    The term "head snap" appears here as it has a thousand other places. But I seem to remember Kennedy's upper torso thrown against the back seat rather dramatically. And the torso weighs a lot more than just a head. There have been questions about whether any bullet has that kind of power (.45 ACP, up close maybe?), but a Carcano shooting from behind would not force the torso back like that, regardless of what happened to the head.
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