Steven Kossor

Something was unquestionably removed from the original Zapruder film before the limo appears; the absence of the overexposure evidence is dispositive proof that the limo's appearance could not possibly have been captured at the start of the camera mechanism -- the film had to have been moving at "operating speed" by the time the limo appeared, for the overexposure evidence to be absent. Haven't seen this evidence before but it certainly seems that the truth is becoming more apparent (incontrovertibly) as time passes. The truth is the only thing that will let us escape the downward spiral that America has been traveling on, ever since JFK was killed.

Terrific interview by Bruce de Torres. The fact that 90+% of Americans polled 8 years ago said that they thought America started on a downward spiral after JFK was killed is a profound reality; whatever happens, if we don't correct that course, hitting the bottom is inevitable.

Fluid dynamics has been established science for a long, long time - decades at least. Fluids move in a cone away from the source. A blunt object applies force differently than a speeding bullet and results in different "splatter" patterns, but the splatter always moves away from the source of the striking force. If the fluid lands on the driver's side quarter panel of a limousine, it was propelled in that direction, moving away from the source of the energy that struck the object that exhausted the fluid from inside it. The apex of the cone points toward the source of the energy that moved the fluid. You can't have blood and gore spraying on officer Hargis with sufficient force to make him think that he, himself, had been struck by a shot (rather than "driving through a mist"), without having the cone pointed close to 180 degrees away from Hargis and the driver's side quarter panel of the limousine in DP at one of the times that JFK was shot in the head on 11/22/63 (in the direction of the GK). If fluid traveled elsewhere, it's because of force being applied (shot(s)) from other locations. That's plain old fluid dynamics in action, no matter what the Zfilm or other media may, or may not, depict. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

I'd be happy to digitize any audio tape recordings that anyone would like to make available to me (cassette tapes preferred) with the understanding that the digitized product (.mp3 recording) would be uploaded (donated at no cost) to MFF or other research database(s) so that it is as accessible as possible to the research community; no charge from me for the digitization. PM me if you'd like to talk about this. We definitely need to create digital copies of all analog recordings and the sooner, the better. Audio tapes begin degrading as soon as they're recorded and if they're stored incorrectly, the deterioration accelerates. 50 years is very, very old for an audio tape recording.

Thanks again for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification about agonal "breathing" being more of a reflex originating in the brainstem. That would mean that the oxygen exchange in the lungs that we associate with respiration wouldn't be occurring, right?

Interesting that Perry reports in this 11/22/63 evening interview that he did his tracheotomy surgery after Carrico had done the "endotracheal tracheostomy" that Perry had described in the 2:15 pm 11/22/63 press conference (he didn't mention his own tracheotomy work in the earlier press conference). Through Carrico's placement of the endotracheal tracheotomy tube (ineptly), Perry seems to have been led to believe that JFK was still alive, and he removed the improperly placed tube and did a throat incision to permit the direct insertion of a tracheotomy tube into JFK's trachea at the level of (or below) the throat wound (the reported site of his surgery moved over time). The other doctors who assisted in the tracheotomy surgery with Perry (Barker and McClelland, if memory serves) also neglected to describe that activity in their summary reports written in the afternoon at Parkland and also talked only about the Carrico-initiated placement of an endotracheal tracheotomy tube through JFK's mouth (which leaked because the cuff needed to seal the tracheal passageway was inflated above the level of the throat wound). If the accounts of JFK's appearance upon arrival at Parkland are accurate, he was cyanotic ("blue") upon arrival at Parkland, indicating a loss of oxygenated circulating blood for at least a few minutes with fixed & dilated pupils, eyes deviated from center, and no apparent heartbeat, so the reports of "agonal" breathing are dubious at best. He was DOA; by the time he reached Parkland, his brain was so damaged that it was not capable of generating the impulses necessary to produce the muscular contractions necessary for breathing to take place. Kemp Clark, the neurosurgeon who pronounced JFK dead, eventually admitted that JFK died "instantly" in DP, but that was after the news cameras had been pointed elsewhere for some time.

Thanks.

That is an obscene offer. You're finished.

So you'll take it to the grave with you. Atta boy.

Given the other photos of the visor, it is more likely that there was some white circular anomaly on the underside of the visor, rather than a hole through it that was covered-up by photo retouching. Another example of the depth and breadth of the research capability of the Education Forum. Thanks for the clarification. Still waiting to get the other 6 recordings of Nathan Pool from Mr. Morissette, and/or the floor plan of Parkland's ground floor showing the location of the elevator from which vicinity Pool reported to have made his observation of the movement of a gurney coming out of Trauma Room 1 with a purple covering over the body on it. Best wishes to all!

The rearview mirror appears to be showing the driver's side sun visor, and there is a bright circular area in the mirror's reflection of the visor. It looks like a hole in the visor, but the visor itself shows no such hole. If the visor was lowered, the hole would be at about the same location as the windshield hole described by several witnesses. Food for thought. If anyone has a diagram of Parkland hospital's ground floor that shows the location of the elevator area where Nathan Pool reports having been able to watch JFK's body being moved on a stretcher out of Trauma Room 1 under a "purple cover" I would really like to see it. There is no elevator depicted on any drawing of the hospital floor plan that I've seen, and I can't figure out where Pool was standing when he made his observation of the body on a stretcher being rolled out of Trauma Room 1. I wonder if Pool says where the stretcher was pushed after it left Trauma Room 1 in one of the five other recordings of his deposition at the HSCA that Mr. Morisette reportedly has.

Here's a link to the cleaned-up version of the first of six audio recordings that Denis Morissette posted a few weeks ago. The sound had to be slowed down by about 26% and there were four distinct sections in the recording that each had to be processed differently (probably due to storage problems over the years). The section where Pool describes watching JFK's body being rolled out of Trauma Room 1 on a stretcher covered with a "purple cover" occurs in the last section of the audio recording which is also the most clearly understandable. Best wishes to all; hope I can clean up the other 5 recordings some day. https://app.box.com/s/l7g2fn6pxzhmj52hz61qw54es0m3p62m

Thanks to David Butler for paging me on the subject of David Lifton's work over the last 10 years of David's life. I have not had any interaction with his estate since January of last year, but it is my understanding that the estate has, or soon will, complete the process of acquiring possession and ownership of 100% of his intellectual and personal property, including all electronic media and the contents of his Las Vegas apartment and the two storage units that he had been renting to conserve artifacts and other historically relevant media, based on the electronic last will and testament that he created with my technical assistance a relatively short time before he died. David shared bits and pieces of his work with many others over the last 10 years of his life so I'm confident that there are a number of recipients of information who can help to finish his works in progress at the time of his death, and that the estate will be contacting those who are known to have given information to him, and received information from him, based on the large body of electronic and other correspondence dating from at least 2005 that the estate has acquired. There is nothing more that I can contribute to the discussion of David's estate, but I am confident that the estate will contact me if it believes that I can provide clarification about any items or information that that it has acquired. Best wishes to all, always!

The jacket covering incident actually occurred before the hard top frame was placed on the car. I think the picture posted by Adam in section 4 this thread actually shows the bag that contained the hard top frame kept in the trunk and that the jacket was previously removed. The black-and-white movie I was referring to unmistakably shows the throwing of a jacket onto the driver's side tail light area by an adult male (not a police officer) before cutting away to a movie capturing the assembly of the hard top frame by a man in a suit & tie standing in the driver's doorway area, probably shot by a newsperson.

Appreciate your summary Mr. Morrow. Best wishes for the Holidays!

The interplay between Jim DiEugenio and Lori Spencer was engaging, informative and contained more than a few pieces of information that I hadn't heard before. Nice work!

I signed it. The lack of appreciation for RFK Jr among the forum group is more than a bit troubling from my perspective too.

Hargis also said he was struck by the gore with such force that he thought he, himself, had been hit. Not compatible with “driving through” a mist. Another fact to be accounted for.

The driver’s side tail light was covered by a jacket at Parkland, not the passenger side tail light. There was gore all over the trunk but the only part covered by a jacket in the Parkland ER lot was the driver’s side tail light area. That’s a fact too, and should be accounted for.

You can't possibly have "cerebellar tissue extruding from the head wound" unless the wound is at the back and bottom of the skull. Anyone who reported seeing cerebellar tissue extruding from JFK's head wound necessarily documented seeing a wound at the back and bottom of JFK's head (in addition to other wounds elsewhere that are not connected to the cerebellum). You can't have blood & brain exhausting from JFK's head and striking officer Hargis and the rear driver's side tail light without an exit facing that direction when the material was exhausted; the bullet that struck JFK to create that exit wound could not travel in anything other than a straight line, just like the fluid ejected from the wound. The shot had to come from the front/right (the GK). A shot from the left/front (South Knoll) would have exhausted blood and brain matter onto the other officer riding to the rear of the passenger's side tail light. Physics helps clarify precisely what must have happened when witness testimony (including motion pictures) is unreliable and/or confusing.

The cerebellum is attached to the spinal cord and couldn't possibly "extrude" from a wound that is far away from the cerebellum's anatomical position in the head (at the "bottom" of the skull, in the back of the head). Look at the drawings of the skull wounds and you'll see that some could possibly include extruding cerebellar tissue, and others could not possibly include such tissue extruding through the hole. The cerebellum doesn't slosh around inside the head.

Unfortunately, in the professions of psychology & psychiatry "for every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert" so I'm confident that the opinions of any 'psychological behaviorists' that may have presented them publicly as such are even less credible "professionals."

Aldous Huxley and Neil Postman have more to contribute to understanding the reasons for the growing nonchalance of younger people toward history in general and the JFKA in particular -- it's just not interesting (exciting, entertaining, amusing) enough to hold on to a modern mind's attention span. Add to that the cynicism about whether or not it is *possible* to know the truth about anything - Gingrich's concept of having a "different view" of the truth/facts -- and you have a growing portion of the population that is not just unwilling to, but is actually becoming incapable of, seeing past rhetoric and analyzing data to find facts. We're not getting better, folks.

It's starting to look like everybody who was involved in the "discovery" of a whole bullet on Connelly's gurney, and the proffering of an explanation for it that corroborated the possibility of a single shooter being the only one firing during the JFKA, is implicated in a coordinated cover-up (way above the level of the Mafia) that persisted for 60 years. The media is complicit in this, for sure, especially CBS, considering all of the research time and effort that went into the various productions that showed how "the single bullet" could have caused all of the wounds in two men within the narrow span of time in which the wounds had to have been inflicted. And then there's Paul's account of finding the thing just laying around, and thoughtfully putting it "where it wouldn't be lost as evidence." Yikes.