Robert Prudhomme

Okay, how fast would the bullet be travelling, in feet per second, to only penetrate the flesh of the back one inch? Did the shooter know the round was faulty? Why would a home made bullet be more difficult to trace back to an assassin than a factory made bullet? Was the round attenuated (reduced in force) or faulty, or a combination of the two? Was the rifle zeroed (sighted) in for that particular round?

Hi Thomas Once again, ignore everything above this line as I am still having problems with the Quote/Reply function. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Thomas If it was just one woman we were looking for it might not be so bad, but we have to find four women unaccounted for; unless we assume Calvery, Westbrook, Hicks and Reed were not actually together as a group. I was thinking about what Pat Speer said about the confusion regarding the two Elm Streets. Is it possible Calvery, and maybe the rest of her group, were watching the motorcade from the Elm St. extension?

I'm sorry, Bill, but since you seem intent on reporting me to James Gordon every time I disagree with you, I am placing you on "Ignore". I have just been told I stand a good chance of being permanently banned from this forum. It is quite clear at this point that discussing this case with you is rather futile, as you fail to recognize facts for what they are. For example, not having evidence that Linda's remarks were not true and factual? Don't you find that a bit absurd?

Okay, Michael, whatever you say. I've shot more rifles at animals than I can remember but, what do I know? You've watched Youtube videos so now you're an expert. Just do me a favour and don't share your ballistics "knowledge" with me.

I don't really care if you got it from Santa Claus, Bill. What you posted proves absolutely nothing, other than that you seem fond of making assumptions and then attempting to post them as established facts.

Unless, of course, you are afraid your answer will be ridiculed.

They do look alike with their matching head scarves. However, the other three have names attached to them. Can we discount the names attached to them, or do we go through another laborious search?

A simple yes or no will suffice, Bill.

" Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl. [if Truly came in 20-30 secs after the shots as Molina says above, and we know Calvery was not far behind him - or Baker and him - and Molina says he SAW her "come in" - then I assumed, pretty logically I think, that Molina had to have followed Truly in, and he was then almost immediately followed in by Calvery. He says he saw her come in so he had to have gone in just after Truly and before her. Does that make sense? ] " Bill Are you by any chance related to a person by the name of Albert Doyle? He's the fellow James booted from this forum for posting a stream of non-stop nonsense. No, it does not make any sense at all. How do you know Calvery was not far behind Baker? You don't. There is nothing whatsoever to support your assumption. How do you know Molina followed Truly in to the entryway? You don't. There is nothing whatsoever to support your assumption. How do you know Moina was immediately followed in by Calvery? You don't. There is nothing whatsoever to support your assumption. "He says he saw her come in so he had to have gone in just after Truly and before her. Does that make sense?" That is a possibility. HOWEVER, what is the time frame involved? Did Calvery come in seconds after Molina, or minutes? Making assumptions is a waste of everyone's time, Bill, and only proves that you have a vivid imagination. Before you respond again, might I recommend you find some actual evidence to support your theories?

LOL I'll bite. How do you know?

Hi Thomas I'm having trouble still with the Quote/Reply function and it keeps showing the 1st page of this thread. Just ignore everything above this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Robert, Which begs the question, "Did the FBI fabricate all of their statements because they, or at least one of them, were somehow involved in the assassination?" Why else would the FBI fabricate their statements, Robert?" I'm thinking much the same thing you are, Thomas, but, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why they would go to such elaborate ends to conceal the location of one woman, and how all that ties in to the cover up.

That would be like two cars, each travelling 100 mph, colliding head on and coming to a dead stop after gently bouncing off of each other's bumper.

Do you know how many deer I've killed over my lifetime? Bullets travelling 2200 feet per second simply do not come to a halt after penetrating a mere inch of flesh.

ac·com·pa·ny əˈkəmp(ə)nē/ verb 1. go somewhere with (someone) as a companion or escort. "the two sisters were to accompany us to New York" synonyms: go with, travel with, keep someone company, tag along with, hang out with; More 2. be present or occur at the same time as (something else). "the illness is often accompanied by nausea" synonyms: occur with, co-occur with, coexist with, go with, go together with, go hand in hand with, appear with, be attended by "the illness is often accompanied by nausea" As far as I can see, Bill, the two men in the Darnell film are nowhere close to anything resembling a police officer. In fact, they are not even accompanying each other. Of course, you're the photographic expert, and you might have a different opinion.

Bill Do you believe the woman on the left was Gloria Calvery? Do you also believe Running Woman was Gloria Calvery?

Let me guess. Bill Shelley was using alternative facts, right? What does the word "accompany" mean, Bill?

Wow, Bill, that is absolutely ridiculous.

Something tells me we have more names than there are people standing on the north side of Elm St.

Good observation, Robin. Now, when these four women said they were standing together in a group, is it possible their group was interspersed with other people, or do they define being "together" as literally four of them shoulder to shoulder?

It's very tempting to make the large woman known only as No. 10 Gloria Calvery, simply because she has not been ID'ed, but we're not just looking for Calvery. We need to find a group of four women standing together.

"I, Betty Jean Thornton, make the following voluntary statement to Raymond J . Fox and J . Hale McMenamin, who have identified themselves to me as Special Agents, Federal Bureau of Investigation . "I am a white female, born at Graham, Texas on November 13, 1929 . I presently reside at 3807 Rolinda and am employed by the Scott-Foresman Publishing Crmpany, fourth floor, Texas School B6ok Depository, Building, 411 Elm Street, Dallas . "On November 22, 1963, a - approximately 12 :35 P .M ., I was standing with Jane Berry, another employee of Scott-Foresman, on Elm Street in front of the Texas School Book Depository Building to watch a motorcade bearing President John F, Kennedy pass by . As the car in which the -President was riding passed by, I heard what I thought were firecrackers being discharged, but I did not actually see the President hit with any shots . " Jane Berry makes an almost identical statement and vouches for Betty Jean Thornton. Neither of them mentions Peggy Burney, nor do they mention the woman known only as No. 10. Unlike the group to their right (Calvery, Hicks, Westbrook and Reed), they do not give each other's street addresses. I wonder why it was so important for the other group to memorize each other's street addresses?

It's the other thread I seem to be having trouble with the Quote/Reply function. I'll have to post my responses to the Calvery/Jacob thread here. Robin asked about the four women marked as 7,8,9 and 10 in the top photo. While no. 10 is not identified, 7,8 and 9 are ID'ed as Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney. No. 10 looks a bit big to be Gloria Calvery but that's just my opinion. What is even more interesting is that June Dishong is second from the left in the group of five. How did she not get included in the statements of the other four women, who were able to supply to the FBI the names and street addresses of the other women in the group, but ALL completely forgot Dishong was with them?

No, it's a matter of Truly lying. There just weren't enough people standing in front of the TSBD to make a "mob" capable of doing what he described. Did you happen to notice, in the Couch film, that most of the spectators in front of the TSBD entrance have not moved very far from their positions prior to the assassination? Truly had to come up with a good story to explain why he left Ochus Campbell and placed himself at the foot of the TSBD steps. His task was to read Baker's mind telepathically and deduce that Baker wanted to go to the roof of the TSBD. Everyone had their part to play.

Hi Thomas As I said earlier, we are not just looking for Gloria Calvery to be somewhere else on Elm St. She was standing in a group of five women, and she and three of these other women all gave statements to the FBI that there were four of them in a group. (not sure how June Dishong did not get included in this group but we'll save that for later) In their FBI statements, each of these women, Calvery, Hicks, Reed and Westbrook, gave the names AND street addresses of the other three women she was standing with. Therefore, unless we assume these four FBI statements to be fabrications, we are obligated to look for a group of four women standing together on the north side of Elm St. who have not been identified to date. Interesting that each woman would know the street address of the other three women.

Truly is standing all by himself near the bottom of the TSBD steps while a small group of people make their way in an orderly fashion up the TSBD steps. Where is this panicky mob that bore him back to the steps and separated him from Ochus Campbell?