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  1. I couldn't agree more!!! In his 11/2/63 Washington Daily News story that prompted Kroch’s outrage, Richard Starnes wrote, An American field officer with a distinguished combat career speaks angrily about "that man at headquarters in Saigon wearing a colonel's uniform." He means the man is a CIA agent, and he can't understand what he is doing at U.S. military headquarters here, unless it is spying on other Americans. Another American officer, talking about the CIA, acidly commented: "You'd think they'd have learned something from Cuba but apparently they didn't." They were ALL intertwined!!!
  2. Thanks for posting this link to the Operation Northwoods write-up from Body of Secrets. I read much of James Bamford’s tome ten or fifteen years ago when it first came out and had forgotten much of it since, so this review was welcome. If memory serves, Mr. Bamford made news on the publication of his book by pointing out how Lemnitzer and, in fact, the entire JCS seemed to have gone nuts over their willingness to see innocent people killed—in fact to order their deaths--simply to provoke an invasion of Cuba. At least these were the kinds of ideas written up in the Operation Northwoods plan that was signed by every member of the JCS. Pretty shocking stuff. It is easy to see that when the order came from the Kennedy Brothers to stop all covert action plans against Cuba, people like Lemnitzer, Lansdale and perhaps even the entire JCS would have been incensed. Would that anger have led these military leaders to plot the murder of their own commander-in-chief? It seems quite possible that it would, but I know of little or no direct evidence to convict them. Compare the scant evidence against the military to the trainload of evidence against David Atlee Phillips and several other members of the CIA. Perhaps I harp on this too much, but in the weeks leading up to his assassination, member(s) of JFK’s own administration predicted that if a coup d'état occurred in the U.S., it would come from the CIA and not the Pentagon.
  3. Steve, I think Mr. Hardway was probably referring to this: https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/politics/cia-spying-senate-apologize/
  4. My bet is you’re right, Mike. I couldn’t agree more with what you say (except I’m not familiar with the case against William Kent). To your list of the probably guilty among Agency personnel I’d add E. Howard Hunt and J.J. Angleton. And as I said near the beginning of this thread, there may well have been a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby. After all, the most critical first step in the cover-up was surely the silencing of the patsy. OTOH, there are reasons to suspect the conspiracy may have extended beyond the CIA into elements of the military. I’ll be watching for evidence about that. Thanks for your post! EDIT: Ah, I see Dan Hardway makes the case against Kent in the "Declaration" you linked above. Thank you for that. First I've seen it!
  5. Steve and Paul have probably already discussed the following, but I'm still trying to catch up. Anyway, the Find a Grave listing for George Whitmeyer has the following lurid write-up (emphasis added by me): Lt Col Whitmeyer was riding in the Pilot Car, driven by DPD Dep. Chief George Laster Lumpkin - the first car in President Kennedy's motorcade in Dallas when he was assassinated. Whitmeyer was head of the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, Dallas, started by Maj. Jack Crichton, and gave the military protection stand-down order. Lumpkin was the Captain of the 488th. Whitmeyer died just days before he was to give testimony on the Kennedy assassination to the HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations) in 1978. There is a "suggest edits" button on the Find a Grave listings, but I have no idea who finalizes these things.
  6. This has been discussed here before, but in a WikiSpooks article presenting a 2010 COPA speech by Peter Dale Scott, Dr. Scott seems to accept the existence of the 488th MID in Dallas without offering a whole lot of proof for it. His description (please correct me if I'm wrong) seems to essentially follow Crichton’s. The print edition of his speech includes the following: Researcher Larry Haapanen has discovered the 488th seems to have had its own direct chain of command linking it to Washington. In an esoteric publication entitled The Military Order of World Wars (Turner Publishing Company, 1997, p. 120), he found that Crichton "commanded the 488th MID (Strategic), reporting directly to the Army Chief of Intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency." [56]. And in 1970 Haapanen was told by Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve, Lt. Col. Whitmeyer, that Crichton's unit did its summer training at the Pentagon. Has anyone actually seen p. 120 of this obscure work? I know from long experience that my rural library system has essentially no chance whatsoever of having the book.
  7. The “Study of Military Intelligence Detachments” by Thomas Cagley that Steve found seems to indicate that a 488th MID did indeed exist, even though there is not much mention of it publicly. If we accept that it probably did exist, we can then concentrate on whether it was located in Dallas and whether Crichton was really associated with it. Is this a fair characterization of where we stand? The "Army Intelligence in Dallas" memo Steve linked us to above makes no mention of the 488th MID, which, frankly, is exactly what I'd expect from a government document if some bureaucrat knew, or suspected, the 488th had something to do with JFK's murder. Am I being too cynical?
  8. Thanks, Joe, that's interesting. I can't quite believe, though, that "the power of suggestion, though innuendo" could make Ruby perform an act that was certain to completely ruin his life. Perhaps the Mob could make one of those offers you can't refuse, or, more likely to me, an intel operative might offer a combination of threats and promises to perform the same thing.
  9. Steve, However, if memory serves, there are a few references to the 488th in literature available online that doesn't seem to come from Crichton, are there not? (I'm really asking, because I did a search a month or more ago and my memory isn't what it used to be and was never great to begin with.)
  10. Jim Hargrove

    Well...it happened

    From H&L: Harvey Oswald--photographs from New York and New Orleans In the National Archives are eight small black-and-white snapshots that are all the same size and all from the same roll of film. One photograph is of a raccoon in a cage with the notation "Bronx Zoo" (New York) on the reverse side of the photo. Six pho­- tographs are of a Mardi Gras parade on Canal Street. On the back side of three of these photos is a handwritten notation "N.O., La., 1954." On the backside of one of the pho­- tos, is a handwritten notation "Mardi Gras, 1954." NOTE: Mardi Gras begins each year on the Tuesday before Ash Wednesday and parades continue for two weeks. In 1954 Mardi Gras began on Tuesday, March 2. The 6 photo­- graphs of the Mardi Gras parade were taken sometime between March 2 and March 16, 1954. The last of the 8 pictures is a photograph is of the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Mar­- guerite Oswald" imposter sitting in a chair in the living room of her apartment at 126 Exchange Place. 54-06 On the reverse side of this photograph is a notation "N.O., La, 1954." If the date is accurate, this photograph is proof that "Marguerite Oswald" and Harvey Oswald (according to Myra DaRouse) lived at 126 Exchange Place in early 1954, when the Watren Commission said they were living at 1454 St. Marys St. NOTE: These 8 photographs represent a snapshot of Harvey's life in New York ( 1953) and New Orleans (early 1954). Lillian Murret was correct when she told FBI agent Jo­- seph Englehardt, "Oswald and his mother lived on Exchange Place at this time (in early 1954)." But she was referring to the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter and Harvey, and not her real sister and Lee. This was the woman who was working at a bar in the French Quarter when Myra DaRouse drove Harvey to the apart-­ ment at 126 Exchange in early 1954. The Warren Commission never interviewed Myra DaRouse nor did they ask the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter to explain why a photo was taken of her in the living room at 126 Exchange Place in 1954 when she was supposed to be living in Myrtle Evans' building at 1454 St. Marys. The Commission concluded, from the testimony of Myrtle and Julian Evans, that Marguerite Oswald was living at 1454 St. Marys in 1954, and did not move to 126 Exchange until the spring of 1955.6 --Harvey and Lee, pp. 86-87, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong. All rights reserved. Myrtle and Julian Evans, it should be remembered, both told the WC that they were amazed out how much "Marguerite" had changed, which makes perfect sense, since they were close friends of the real Marguerite, not Harvey's caretaker "mom."
  11. Jim Hargrove

    Well...it happened

    Tracy, Both photos below are from the U.S. National Archives' (NARA) JFK collection at College Park, Maryland (near DC). The photo on the left, showing “Marguerite” sitting in a chair by a television, has a notation on the back that reads, “N.O., La, 1954.” It, by the way, is in the NARA JFK collection, which you have never bothered to visit, and so, of course, you have NO IDEA what is written on the back of this photographic print. The photo at right is a closeup detail of the well known shot from Paul’s Shoe Store taken in 1957. It is also at NARA in College Park, where, again, you have never bothered to visit. Ever.... Please tell me that these two photos show the same woman less than three years apart. Tell me how hard you have researched your opinion.... Talk to me about the EYEBROWS!
  12. Jim Hargrove

    Well...it happened

    Thanks, Paul. I know you've been an H&L skeptic, and so the kind words are appreciated. Have the comments by John Newman and Peter Dale Scott made you start to wonder about "Oswald?"
  13. Paul, There was a 488th Army battalion active in WW 2, but apparently this had nothing to do with the Army's 488th Intel Detachment that may have been formed a few years later in Dallas. Steve Thomas raised a number of issues questioning its existence. Do you have any thoughts about that? (I have no illusions about how the hall of mirrors of some major intel operations can distort reality in so many ways.)
  14. Jim Hargrove

    Well...it happened

    By all means, Tracy, tell me this is the same woman, photographed just a couple of years apart. When, with a straight face, you claim, "of course it's the same woman," be sure to take a look at those eyebrows!
  15. WHO ORDERED OSWALD'S DEATH? KLIF radio founder Gordon McLendon was a former Naval Intelligence officer who was a close friend and confidant of CIA officer David Atlee Phillips. Jack Ruby called McLendon’s unlisted phone number the day of the assassination. Ruby was overheard that very afternoon saying he could be reached at KLIF, and he continued writing letters to McLendon even from prison. In 1975 McLendon and David Atlee Phillips formed the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO). The two men had known one another since childhood. And it was Phillips who was spotted by Antonio Veciana talking to LEE Oswald at the Southland building in Dallas in the summer of 1963. And so we are starring at a direct chain of command from CIA’s David Atlee Phillips to former intel officer Gordon McLendon to McLendon’s close friend Jack Ruby. From Harvey and Lee: Around 1:15 am KLIF radio announcer Russ Knight approached the entrance to the police station and asked if anyone had seen District Attorney Henry Wade. Jack Ruby, who was milling around talking to people said, "I'll show you" and escorted Knight to the basement. Before reaching the basement Ruby asked Knight, twice, to ask District Attorney Wade if he thought Oswald was "insane." After reaching the base­- ment Ruby once again approached Wade and told him that radio announcer Russ Knight wanted to speak with him.142 As Knight began talking with Wade, Dallas Police Lieutenant James Gilmore saw Ruby and asked him what he was doing at the police station after midnight. Ruby told Gilmore that he was passing out sandwiches and planning to deliver sandwiches to KLIF radio, the station owned by Gordon McLendon.143 NOTE: Jack Ruby listed Gordon McLendon, the owner of Dallas radio station KLIF, as one of his six closest friends. McLendon had known career CIA officer David Atlee Phillips since both men were in their teens and attended school in Fort Worth. In the 1970's McLendon joined Phillips to form the Association of Former Intelligence Offic- ers (AFIO). .... Jack Ruby-1:30 am to 6:00am After Russ Knight finished talking with Henry Wade he and Ruby walked out of the police station. Ruby asked Knight if he needed a ride to the KLIF station, but Knight declined and walked to KLIF, while Ruby walked to his car.147 About 1:45am Ruby arrived at KLIF with sandwiches and soft drinks and again talked with Knight. At 2:00am, with Ruby nearby, Knight went on the air and told ra­- dio listeners, "Through a tip from a local nightclub owner I asked Mr. Wade the ques- tion of Oswald's insanity." Around 2:15am, following the radio broadcast, Knight and Ruby left the radio station. On the steps of the building Ruby handed Knight the text of a speech called "Heroism" from H.L. Hunt's LIFE Line radio program, broadcast on radio station KRLD. Ruby told Knight there were elements such as Hunt's in Dallas that hated Presi­- dent Kennedy. Knight remembered the late night incident and said, "Ruby had the speech but he didn't seem to be cognizant fully of what the speech was or actually what side that he stood on ..... just mentioned like there is an element here that hates, that hated Mr. Kennedy." When Knight asked Ruby if he meant the Hunt's, Ruby said nothing.148 NOTE: After Ruby shot Oswald, Knight began to think about the "Heroism" speech that Ruby gave him and said, "It seemed to me like too much of a coincidence that he should be carrying a speech called 'Heroism' and then for him to shoot Oswald on Sunday mormng...."149 --From Harvey and Lee, pp. 904-905, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong. All rights reserved.
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