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Matt,
Thanks for the above. This is interesting material, much of which is new to me. One thing on the U-2 flights….
A number of people (including Francis Gary Powers, if memory serves) said they believed Oswald had something to do with the shoot down. But this is actually just one of several examples of the real genius of the Oswald Project.
Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald was never stationed in the radar bubble near the U-2 facilities in Japan. It was actually American-born LEE Harvey Oswald who was there.
In 1995, John Armstrong interviewed Zack Stout, who was in the radar bubble at Atsugi with LHO. John asked Zack Stout if Oswald ever spoke Russian around him and he answered: "Where do people come up with these stupid ideas? That's ridiculous. No, he never spoke Russian or had a Russian book or a Russian newspaper. If he had any of those things, all of us would have known about it."
It was Lee HARVEY Oswald who spoke Russian while in the Marines, not the LHO who served in the radar bubble.
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John,
My Epson flatbed scanner lives again, and I've emailed you a compact pdf version of the Christina Tippit Brown document recently conveyed via Android. Please let me know if you don't have it.
Jim
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John,
The 9-page file from Westport just arrived via snailmail. Please check your email. The attachment is more than 5Mb so it may not go through. Let me know if you don't get it and we'll figure out something else.
My usually trusty flatbed scanner wouldn't wake up, and so I had to scan it with my phone. It's all readable, though.
Jim
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10 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:
Again, I appreciate the civil discourse with Sandy and Jim. I am aghast, however, that they continue to critique a book that they have not read and that MIGHT challenge their belief systems.
Sandy and Jim have been very up front in saying they didn't read my book because they didn't agree with its premise.
My response:
1. Jim thought I didn't consider the possibility that Oswald was a spy. But I did. You didn't know that because you didn't read the book. If you had read the book, you would see that I said that it is more useful to first assume that Oswald was a "wannabe spy" or a "useful idiot" before automatically assuming that he was a spy. That does not mean that I don't think that Oswald was a spy - I do, at least at certain times, and for certain agencies.
What I think and I can 100% prove, however, are two different things. It's useful to begin a premise by pointing to what you can prove without speculation.
2. When you read an analysis that challenges your premise - you may learn something that supports your premise. That's why it's important to read analyses from a variety of viewpoints.
3. One of the best things any of us can do is to read material that challenges our assumptions. It is the failure to do so - and the refusal to do so - that has led the USA to its sorry state today.
After reading the introduction and first chapter of State Secret, it was just such a shock to see all those references to Oswald being “a spy in his own mind.” To me, even the cover story makes his spy status obvious:
Here’s this Commie-spouting, Russian-speaking U.S. Marine who sat in the U2 radar bubble in Japan, who gets an early discharge because of his mother’s sore nose, and somehow converts military script into the cash needed to travel (staying in first class hotels) to the Soviet Union and hire a private tour guide. He says in the undoubtedly bugged U.S. embassy in Moscow that he’s going to tell the Russians everything he knows, and, when the adventure is over the State Department loans him the money to return to the U.S. and, according to the CIA, the Agency doesn’t even bother to speak to him, even though a U2 is shot down less than a year after the “defection.”
And just a few years later, Oswald is granted a passport AGAIN, perhaps so he can “defect” yet again. To me, this doesn’t even pass the smell test. And, to get back to the subject matter of this thread, isn’t it remarkable that the FBI canceled the security alert on Oswald on the very same day that Agency cable indicated Russia clearly “had maturing effect on Oswald.”
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11 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
To summarize for anyone following along at this point. The memo about the call to the Tippits actually hurts the Armstrong thesis. Because if it is correct, and the Oswald double was the child of the Gardos's, then HARVEY as it is claimed around here, the HARVEY of Armstrong's thesis, didn't come into the US but went out of the US circa 1948. For that reason, certain voices on this thread (Jim Hargrove specifically), have not wanted to parse too closely the words of the FBI memo about the call. As they have so stated. Instead they have seemingly preferred a needle in a haystack search for a Russian-speaking orphan somewhere in the US in the 1940s. It is actually quite simple what is going on. That's my reasoned belief.
Are you deliberately misrepresenting our position? Did you read the very first post of this thread after the actual document (emphasis added)?
So, since "Oswald"/Harvey was NOT the biological son of Emil Gardos, then there is only one other possibility: Emil and Grace Gardos (and their real son, John) were his caretakers for a bit in Yorkville in the 1940's. The woman caller saw them together and made the natural (but wrong) assumption that our little boy "Oswald"/Harvey was their other son.
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Matt,
Like a number of other JFK assassination researchers, I believe John Arrmstrong has essentially solved this case (though we’ll probably never know the actual shooters). I’ve been presenting evidence here for many years. Just because you came along in the last few months demanding this and demanding that doesn’t mean I’m going to go over it all again. I would be criticized if I did. If you’re interested, though, there are many lengthy threads on this board about Harvey and Lee that I started and/or made major contributions to. Try this one.
I created the Harvey and Lee website a quarter century ago, which was always based on John Armstrong’s work, even in the years before he started contributing to it and making it so much better. Just about anything you want to know about the evidence for the Two Oswalds can be studied there.
Hopefully none of the material presented on this forum is about my claims, or yours, or John Armstrong’s. It is about the EVIDENCE.
On the previous page, I just showed you school records, published in the Warren volumes, that show one LHO attended school in NYC throughout the fall semester of the 1953-1954 school year, while another attended school in New Orleans during the same period. Is this kind of evidence what you call a charade?
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27 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:
What's especially odd, is that according to Jim Hargrove, with whom you seem to share an alliance, the HARVEY Oswald that you allege to have existed wasn't even in NY in the late 1940s -- Hargrove states it is documented he was in Texas -- all of which calls the entire discussion of the contents of the Tippit call into question in the first place.
Matt,
There is evidence that Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald lived in Texas from July 1947 to Aug. 1948. Before then and after then, for the rest of the 1940s up until mid-1952, there is no strong evidence indicating where he was. This is complicated, because both of the LHOs moved often. Even after studying this material for a quarter century, I still have to review notes sometimes to remember the specifics.
One VERY helpful document is a lengthy spreadsheet developed over the years by David Josephs. It shows where each Oswald was on a month to month, sometimes even day by day, basis. I’d be happy to send it to you if you’d like.
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5 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
3. Elizabeth Bentley would begin teaching in Louisiana in 1953, at a Catholic School, around same time Lee Harvey Oswald also was in school in Louisiana.
As I already stated here, it’s a little more complicated than that.
During the early months of 1953, Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald was truanting school in NYC, serving a brief sentence in Youth House, and then probably was relocated to North Dakota to avoid the NYC judicial system, and, by late summer 1953 was being eased into the New Orleans public school system by taking just two classes for a semester. He stayed in New Orleans until mid-1954. After a brief period in Fort Worth, TX, he was back in New Orleans, at least until late 1955.
Throughout 1953, American-born LEE Harvey Oswald was living in the Bronx, NYC and attending school regularly. In early 1954, LEE moved to New Orleans, staying for most of the year at 1454 St. Mary’s, Apt. 6, and then at 126 Exchange until mid-1956.
The Warren Commission published documents showing that, while one LHO was attending school in NYC, the other was in school in New Orleans.
This NYC Board of Education record shows that LEE Harvey Oswald attended Public School 44 in New York from 3/23/53 until Jan. 1954.
But these Beauregard New Orleans records show HARVEY Oswald attended 89 days of school during the fall semester of 1953, at the same time LEE Oswald attended PS 44 in New York City. Harvey only took Phys Ed and Science during the fall 1953 semester at Beauregard, probably because his handlers were worried about his truancy in NYC, which nearly exposed the Oswald Project.
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5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Thanks for you report and comments, Matt.
While considering Bentley as the caller is intriguing, I have some problems with it.
First, as NoTrueFlags points out, Bentley was living in Connecticut at the time, not New York.
Second, I just don't see an intelligent, sophisticated person like Bentley making the call to someone who might be related to Tippit, living in a completely different part of the U.S. (Rather than calling authorities in Dallas, or Washington DC, or even in her own city, New York.)
Third, I find it a little difficult to believe she would use a fake accent.
And fourth, how would Bentley know that the orphan she'd seen several years earlier was the same person as Oswald?
What I'm inclined to believe is that there was a woman who was charged with taking care of the orphan boy. And that she did have an accent. And that she called Tippit because she was unsophisticated. Finally, that she recognized Oswald as the orphan she had taken care of simply because they looked the same.
When I was in my twenties, I bumped into a guy at Radio Shack who recognized me and remembered my first name. Yet he hadn't seen me since third grade. Point is, the looks of some people don't change a lot from childhood to adulthood.
Sandy,
Bentley did, however, spend considerable portions of her life in NYC, and it seems entirely reasonable to believe she would have expected greater anonymity as a “resident” of New York City than as an inhabitant of Connecticut.
The caller’s choice of the Tippits puzzled me for a long time, but the probable solution is that although she honestly feared being killed, she wasn’t as afraid of the Commies as she was of the spooks running the Oswald Project in America. No doubt it was obvious to her that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was a U.S. intelligence op.
Matt,
Thanks for the YouTube link. NoTrueFlags’ belief that Harvey Oswald was at any time “controlled by the Communists” while in the U.S. is at odds with John Armstrong’s careful analysis.
I agree with you that searching for refugees with a name similar to any part of “Lee Harvey Oswald” would be in all likelihood fruitless. Harvey was probably given his name and new identity after he was already at least a landed immigrant.
Lately, I’ve been looking for any association between Edwin Ekdahl and groups such as the U.S. Committee for the Care of European Children and the like, without the slightest success so far. As time permits, I’ll do the same with Gardos, Blair and Weinstock, but even this approach is probably a very long shot.
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On 3/25/2024 at 11:33 AM, John Kowalski said:
That fellow is sending you very good leads. That committee must have received many inquiries regarding the adoption of refugee children. If their records are available they may have the names of people who adopted them and the names of children who were adopted and one of them maybe Harvey.
According to an AP story entitled “Refugee Children Learn Rapidly in the U.S.” from the 5/30/1948 edition of the Richmond-Times Dispatch, U.S. INS figures “show 28,789 displaced persons came to the United States between late December, 1945 and Nov. 30, 1947. Ninety-eight percent were from Europe, among them Austrians, Czechs, Germans, Poles, Hungarians and Yugolslavs.”
The article goes on to name agencies active in bringing WWII era children to the U.S., which included Church World Service, United States Service for New Americans, Catholic Committee for Refugees, and United States Committee for the Care of European Children. According to one organization's spokesman, “The speed with these youngsters become part of American life is amazing…. they fairly gulp the English language.” And then the article summarized the situation for war orphans coming here:
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Thanks, David. Searching for "Lee Henry Oswald" on the database, the first six hits did not include a page with that material, which struck me as odd.
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On 3/20/2024 at 6:14 AM, Jim Hargrove said:
Are we all talking about the same 10/10/63 Agency document(s)?
I’ve stored the following copy of one on my home computer and the Harvey and Lee web server for many years. Note that, just before paragraph #3 on the second page, it says, “US EMB MOSCOW STATED TWENTY MONTHS OF REALITIES OF LIFE IN SOVIET UNION HAD CLEARLY HAD MATURING EFFECT ON OSWALD. This cable was issued on the same day the FBI cancelled the security watch on Oswald. Here’s the document I’ve saved for years, which, for some reason, I can’t seem to find on the Mary Ferrell site, though it was an admittedly quick search using the search phrase “Lee Henry Oswald”.
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Just asking once more....
Can anyone find a copy on the Mary Ferrell JFK assassination database of the infamous 10/10/1963 CIA cable which includes the sentence: "US EMB MOSCOW STATED TWENTY MONTHS OF REALITIES OF LIFE IN SOVIET UNION HAD CLEARLY HAD MATURING EFFECT ON OSWALD". Can anyone explain why this document was produced the same day the FBI cancelled the security watch on "Lee Harvey Oswald?"
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21 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
I quit reading State Secret when I got to the part where you wrote something to the effect that Oswald was a CIA-wannabe. I knew there was no further reason for me to read your theory because it would be completely at odds with mine.
I stopped reading it at that point also. If memory serves, Mr. Simpich said at least three times near the start of his book that Oswald “was a spy in his own mind.” Despite the obvious scholarship of State Secret, the author apparently didn’t even consider the possibility that “Lee Harvey Oswald” was, in fact, an actual spy!
This despite the fact that CIA accountant James Wilcott testified that he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project” and told HSCA staffers that Oswald’s CIA cryptonym was RX-ZIM.
Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA.
Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear.
CIA's Ann Egerter, who worked for J.J. Angleton's Counterintelligence Special Interest Group (CI/SIG), opened a "201" file on Oswald on December 9, 1960. Egerter testified to the HSCA: "We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel....” When asked if the purpose was to "investigate Agency employees," she answered, "That is correct." When asked, "Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?" she answered, "No, I can't think of one."
No one has yet explained how, before ever setting foot in the Soviet Union, Oswald scored equally on Russian-language and English-language exams in the U.S. Marine Corps. How?
Mr. Simpich’s desire to discuss all this civilly is admirable, and I respect him for that. And despite the apparent culpability of a number of Agency and Bureau officials in the assassination of JFK, I still believe the U.S. government, as a whole, was then and remains now better than most others.
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19 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Jim:
That is a very interesting lead. Her position on that committee could have put her in contact with refugees.
Wikipedia: Russian War Relief (RWR) (also known as the Russian War Relief Fund and The American Committee for Russian War Relief) was the largest American agency for foreign war relief. It had the "express and exclusive purpose of giving succor to the Russian people at a time of crisis."
According to the Feb. 8, 1945 edition of the Mount Vernon Argus (White Plains, New York—emphasis added):
The Mount Vernon Russian War Relief Committee held an executive board meeting this week at the home of the chairman, Mrs. Jacob Rabkin, 312 East Devonia Avenue. Mrs. Grace Gardos, publicity director of the National Russian War Relief Society, announced that February is Russian War Relief “food month”…..
No mention is made in the article of refugees, war orphans, or immigrants, but near the end of the article it mentions that RWR sent aid of nearly $23,000,000 in 1944 to Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Russia, and possibly other nations.
A fellow has been sending me all kinds of news clippings about WWII refugees, especially involving the U.S. and organizations from the US. So far, I haven’t seen RWR named, but personnel from that committee surely ran into organizations such as “Care of European Children” (see below).
From the Buffalo News of Feb. 11, 1947:
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John,
John A. just forwarded to me an email from a fellow who has been reading this thread. He included the following newspaper clip from New York Age, Jan. 6, 1945. Near the end of the short piece it mentions “Mrs. Grace Gardos, of New York Committee of Russian War Relief.”
I’ll start looking into that committee asap!
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12 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Jim:
Found some info on Edwin Burdick on Ancestry. Edwin died in 1976 and his wife died in 1991. They had a daughter named Gail who died in Tuscon, Pima Arizona in 1998. Not sure what the chances are of getting info on Bentley from people mentioned in her will. You can add it to the list for future reference.
Do you know how Margaret Fuhrman met John Pic or anything about her Hungarian background? They had a son born in 1966, he may be able to shed some light on their relationship.
Do you know when Edwin Ekdahl divorced Marguerite Oswald?
NYPL is still processing my order.
John,
Can’t help much with your questions other than quote what is in John A’s book, which you probably already know, but just in case.....
On Marguerite’s divorce from Ekdahl….
From H&L, p. 33:
After a 2-day jury trial on June 15th and 16th [1948], Ekdahl was granted a divorce. Marguerite received a settlement of $1500 and $250 attorneys fees from Ekdahl. This was her last marriage.98 Marguerite told John Pic that she had received a settlement of about $1200, and said that most of the money was used to pay her attorney. 99
98 WC Exhibit 1960-A;Tarrant County court records, 17th Dist Court, divorce petition 15537-D.
99 WC testimony of John Edward Pic, 11 H 29On Margaret Fuhrman….
From H&L. pp. 38-39
In October [1950], John Pic took a 20-day leave from the Coast Guard and visited his family in Fort Worth. When his leave was over, John returned to New York and spent the Christmas holidays with his new girlfriend, Margaret Fuhrman, and her family. After the holidays, John was assigned to the US Coast Guard Training Station at Groton, CN.
From H&L , pp. 39-40:
On August 18, [1951]19-year-old John Pic married his 17 -year-old girlfriend, Margaret Dorothy Fuhrman, at the Emmanuel Lutheran Church in New York City.
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4 hours ago, Matt Cloud said:
The following might be useful in considering whether Elizabeth Bentley in Louisiana circa 1953-55 (?) was merely coincidental to the fact that it was at the same time of Oswald being in school there.
According to Google AI:
Elizabeth Bentley began teaching political science at the College of the Sacred Heart in Grand Coteau, Louisiana in February 1953…. until she was fired in the summer of 1957.
During the early months of 1953, Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald was truanting school in NYC, serving a brief sentence in Youth House, and then probably was relocated to North Dakota to avoid the NYC judicial system, and, by late summer 1953 was being eased into the New Orleans public school system by taking just two classes for a semester. He stayed in New Orleans until mid-1954. After a brief period in Fort Worth, TX, he was back in New Orleans, at least until late 1955.
Throughout 1953, American-born LEE Harvey Oswald was living in the Bronx, NYC and attending school regularly. In early 1954, LEE moved to New Orleans, staying for most of the year at 1454 St. Mary’s, Apt. 6, and then at 126 Exchange until mid-1956.
If you’d like to indulge in some wild speculation (and who wouldn't?), Elizabeth Bentley may have been sent to New Orleans to help pave the way for the relocation there of both LHOs. During these years, probably for entirely patriotic reasons, the Oswald Project was in full swing. In order to give a Russian-speaking youth an American identity, both kids needed to have similar experiences and histories. New Orleans was pivotal. LEE Oswald was born there. HARVEY Oswald wasn’t.
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Geo –
All that editing work really wasn’t necessary, but the info you gave us on Corvina is much appreciated.
Sandy –
Thanks for tracking down the Louisiana info on Bentley. From the New York Times archive:
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NYT 12/4/1963: Elizabeth Bentley is Dead at 55; Soviet Spy Later Aided U.S.
“For the last five years she taught English at the Long Lane School for Girls, a state correctional institution at Middletown.“ Toward the end of the article is this:
“In the early ninteen-fifties Miss Bentley frequently lectured on Communism and related subjects, but in recent years she drifted into obscurity, teaching at schools in Grand Coteau, La., and in Hartford before taking the post in Middletown.”
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Her funeral was held at a church in Middletown, CT.
In all likelihood Bentley’s Louisiana sojourn had nothing to do with LHO, but it still seems kind of odd considering she otherwise spent virtually her entire life in New England and thereabouts.
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12 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Bentley's left everything to her cousin Edwin Burdick or his descendants.
Thanks, John.
What’s weird about this Connecticut Yankee’s will is that it was executed and signed by five witnesses “all of whom are residents of the Parish of St. Landry, State of Louisiana….”
This Vassar College and Columbia University educated woman spent practically her entire life in New England and nearby. The longest exception I see is her brief stay in Italy, but I may well be missing something.
Edwin Burdick, the sole beneficiary of her will, lived at “8=buttonball (sic) Lane, Glastonbury, Connecticut. “
What brought her to Louisiana, birthplace of Classic Oswald®, to execute this will?
Also, I obviously misread what you wrote about the Manhattan phone books. I’ll find out the total cost for researching our queries. Thanks again for the leads.
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Are we all talking about the same 10/10/63 Agency document(s)?
I’ve stored the following copy of one on my home computer and the Harvey and Lee web server for many years. Note that, just before paragraph #3 on the second page, it says, “US EMB MOSCOW STATED TWENTY MONTHS OF REALITIES OF LIFE IN SOVIET UNION HAD CLEARLY HAD MATURING EFFECT ON OSWALD. This cable was issued on the same day the FBI cancelled the security watch on Oswald. Here’s the document I’ve saved for years, which, for some reason, I can’t seem to find on the Mary Ferrell site, though it was an admittedly quick search using the search phrase “Lee Henry Oswald”.
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On 3/17/2024 at 11:04 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
Having said that, there are two unusual pieces of data that Headquarters sent to everybody (both internal and external). First, that the name of the person who defected to Russia was Lee Henry Oswald, which of course should have been Lee Harvey Oswald. Second, the reported weight of Lee Harvey Oswald is a little high. (The reported height of 5 ft 10 in is okay, given that Oswald's height was measured at 5 ft 9 in and 5 ft 11 in when in the Marine Corps.) Oswald's weight when he left the Marine Corps was 150 lb, 15 lb lighter that the reported 165 lb.
The 5 foot 10 inch Lee Henry Oswald described in the infamous CIA cable of 10/10/1963 to Mexico City always seemed to me to have been a compromise initiated by someone who knew there were two different Lee Harvey Oswalds, one measuring 5 toot 9 inches tall, and the other 5 foot 11.
Here is the discharge paperwork for American-born Lee Harvey Oswald indicating his height was 71 inches (5 ft 11 inches).
And here, on Earl Rose’s autopsy report, the Oswald killed by Jack Ruby measured 5 ft 9 inches tall.
Both were measurements above were made by professional medical personnel.
Other than on the Mexico City version of the Agency cable, there were few 5’ 10” heights recorded for LHO.
Note how many of the measurements above cluster at 5'9" and 5'11".
Way back when, Jim Garrison’s staff was so perplexed by the differing height measurements some of them suspected in at least one written report that there were two different LHOs. The best bet to me is that the CIA cable was fashioned to cover, and therefore take the federal spotlight, off both men. The evidence for that?
At the very same time the Agency was giving Oswald a clean bill of political health against all the recent evidence from New Orleans, the FBI cancelled the security watch for Lee Harvey Oswald. What a stunning coincidence!
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15 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
John,
It wasn't Robert Oswald's wife who had Hungarian ancestry, it was John Edward Pic's wife, Margaret Dorothy Fuhrman. For some unexplained reason, Albert Jenner was very interested in her parents. Jenner targeted John Pic's knowledge of their background with his very first questions . . .
Why?
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/pdf/WH11_Pic.pdf
Paul,
Megathanks for reminding us of that!
The Hungarian coincidences in this saga are extraordinary. In 1952, American-born LEE and his mother moved temporarily into the apartment on 92nd St. in Manhattan that was owned by Mrs. Mary Fuhrman.
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17 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Jim:
Very interesting post. This could be a source for learning more about young Harvey. Have you or John A attempted to find out anything about the DPC? It should be on the list.
Thanks. I just checked, and DPC was created in 1948. It was organized at the tail end of the process John A. was describing in his write-up on the Frank Wisner activities.
If Georgia Bell and her neighbor Otis Carlton are correct, by the summer of 1947 Harvey was living at 101 San Saba in Benbrook, Texas with his caretaker “mom” and attending Benbrook Common School. Remarkably, John A. researched the Tarrant County land records and discovered that Marguerite C. Ekdahl had purchased the home at 101 San Saba on July 7, 1947, but she and her family continued living in the upstairs apartment at 1505 8th Ave. in Fort Worth.
This is the earliest direct knowledge we have of Harvey Oswald and suggests an economic connection even back then between the “families” of the two Oswalds.
So …. The evidence indicates that the Russian-speaking LHO came to the U.S. shortly before the creation of the Displaced Person’s Commission, though the organization may have played a role in his subsequent resettlements.
Also….
Thanks for emailing me the NYPL research information. Since you’ve ordered the microfilm for the Manhattan phone books in question, I’ll hold off on ordering scans from the NYPL. The fee seems reasonable enough, but I’m not sure how many payments would be required to cover my numerous requests.
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18 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Jim:
Was Robert Oswald's wife Hungarian? if yes add her to your list.
According to a 1/10/64 FBI report by Butler and Hosty, Vada “stated she was born and raised in Boyd, Texas….” John A. indicated her name was originally Vada Marie Mercer [H&L, 132]. According to gw.geneanet.org, her father, S. Rufus Mercer, was born in Texas in 1905. Her mother, Ina B. Sanders, was also born in Texas.
Disinformation in Oswald's CIA File - For molehunt purposes or for Oswald patsification purposes?
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Interesting that this should come up, because I’ve always wondered why we argue about the detail of whether LHO was being dangled in a mole hunt and ignore the OBVIOUS evidence that Oswald was a spy working for U.S. intelligence.
As I’ve said before, even the cover story for the 1959 “defection” shows Oswald was a spy. But the circumstances around the 1963 passport is just more evidence that he worked for U.S. intelligence.
On June 24, 1963, Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald (the same LHO who “defected” to Russia in 1959) appeared at the U.S. Passport Office in New Orleans and applied for a passport. The new passport was issued the very next day, despite the fact Oswald indicated on the application he was going to visit the USSR and then-Communist Poland.
Sheesh. This obvious traitor, who should have already been prosecuted, was given the OK by State Department to possibly defect again! CLICK HERE to see the application and, in the document at the upper right, the evidence that Oswald stated he would, again, go to the USSR.
Starting on page 773, the Warren Report includes an elaborate discussion of why the State Department simply HAD to issue Oswald a new passport in 1963, and I don’t believe a word of it. No doubt some people will say they do believe it, but I doubt anyone critical of the Warren findings would be so sanguine.