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2 minutes ago, David Lifton said:
I just clicked on the link.
It worked OK on my Mac.
I just tried it again, using the link provided in the original email that I sent (see email above, the earliest one). That works on my Mac. Don't know how to fix the glitch you are experiencing.
David,
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/
is a link to YOUR gmail account inbox. It will only work for someone logged into google with your credentials.
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I'm not sure what criteria was established pages ago, but here's my submission. And it's somewhat contemporaneous with the subject of this forum, not to mention in line with current events, so it's practically on topic.
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4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
Since you asked, I think Trump should condemn police brutality in the U.S., say, "Black Lives Matter," and tear down the stupid fence.
But he won't . . .
Ha, ha! You want/expect a "woke" Donald Trump. Of course he won't.
What are the odds that there will be nobody in the crowd, right or left, with evil intentions who might see this as an opportunity? Which will, of course, require a response. Then what? Nothing good, that's what.
Let's hope for another peaceful night.
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8 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
But, at least, Nixon and Kissinger never built a 1.7 mile fence around their MAGA bunker... 🤥
That's true, but they were very different times.
Since the NG have been withdrawn what do you think would happen if they removed the fence and other non-ordinary protection? Is that what you are suggesting should be done?
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2 hours ago, David Andrews said:
One of the influences on police killings of unarmed, captive citizens is the rise of militarized urban police forces, even in smaller cities.
I think if the current set of protesters would change the demand from "defunding" to "demilitarization" they would get more broad spread support.
2 hours ago, David Andrews said:It doesn't matter what drugs George Floyd had "internal possession" of on the day he died, or what his lifestyle was. . . . Doing it without a gun, by an officer's knee on a handcuffed man's neck, is the ultimate expression of what is wrong with police tactics and response to crime.
Agreed. And his calm, deliberate demeanor while he did it in the open makes it worse, IMO. What could he have possibly been thinking?
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1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:
I just checked the Drudge Report, Washington Post, New York Times and Raw Story and there is nothing about the autopsy you cite. I hardly believe it would be released on the day of his memorial funeral in Minneapolis. It could be a fake report. I read somewhere that it will take several weeks for the toxicology report to be completed.
Looks real to me, but I'm no expert. Toxicology is reported.
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On 5/22/2020 at 11:10 AM, Pete Mellor said:
The antimalarial drug touted by Donald Trump as a treatment for the coronavirus has been linked to an increased risk of death in patients, according to the first major study into its use.
Maybe. Maybe not.
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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
probably part of Skorzeny’s network
Look at page 3 more than half way down. He's mentioned. Probably just a coincidence.
and Jones being in Mexico City and Cuba in '62, another coincidence
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4 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:
. . . is their anything interesting you know about Jonestown that maybe the rest of us have never read? I know the MSM story and the Mae Brussel / Dave Emory / John Judge versions
FWIW, have you seen this? Not exactly the MSM take on it.
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3 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:
According to the CSIS biography . . . The conference was held in late January 1963, and . . . Kissinger also showed up
Does it say anything about who or what he was representing, or if he was just there as an individual? Trying to remember what he was doing back then.
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1 hour ago, David Andrews said:
but a forklift removed something else from the dark side
wasn't it actually a scissor lift? Not a BIG difference, I know.
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12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
According to Peter Dale Scott, DeVosjoli went to visit Brandstetter in Dallas, not Acapulco.
Now that you mention it I think I was thinking of something in Acapulco. Can't remember where I read about it, though.
So Paul, what I was thinking I remembered was that in the days prior to the assassination DeVosjoli, while working with Angeleton and Golitsyn became convinced that there was a mole inside SDECE and that he was targeted for assassination by the Soviets or communists or something like that. I don't recall him being placed in Dallas, I thought I remembered hims going to Mexico for a while to hide out. But that's just what I think I remember I read, not saying it's a fact. Can you give me some idea of what you are suggesting? His presence in Dallas sounds ominous, but I'm not really getting the implication of him even being there, much less going to Brandstetter's. What is it that you think might have been going on?
Here's the assumption I'm operating on. https://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/devosjoli.htm
according to Epstein, De Vosjoli told him that:
"he had been posted to Washington in 1960 as the liaison officer between the French intelligence service, SDECE, and the CIA. He was the first French liaison officer. In this capacity, he worked closely with Angleton. Beginning in 1962, Angleton warned him that a CIA source, Anatoli Golitsyn, who had defected from the Russian Embassy in Finland, had revealed that the KGB had managed to infiltrate SDECE, his own intelligence service, at the highest levels. At first, he had assumed Golitsyn was a "lunatic". Then, Angleton gave him a "shopping list" of questions about US missile programs. It was, according to Golitsyn, to be filled by SDECE officers moonlighting for the KGB. Again, it sounded "insane" to him that French officers would be spies for the KGB and acquire US secrets on demand. His view changed radically when SDECE headquarters told him to organize a spying operation in Washington. Its targets were precisely the ones that Golitsyn had identified. He alerted the head of his service that a KGB spy ring was operating from within its ranks. In November 1963, he learned from an associate in France that he had been ordered assassinated by his own intelligence service. When he received a telegram the next week ordering him back to Paris, he assumed it was his death notice."
So, based on that, it seems reasonable that he was trying to escape an assassination attempt. What are you thinking he was doing and do you discount the above Epstein/De Vosjoli account?
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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
I find it exceedingly strange that Philipe de Vosjoli, French Intel agent who defected to the US in October of 1963, went to stay with Brandstetter within days of the JFK assassination.
What seems strange about it? Seems like a natural choice, given the situation. Wasn't Brandstetter's house well fortified, or am I thinking of someone else?
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4 hours ago, David Andrews said:
It is an old rumor, and not a silly one.
I never thought it was silly. In my mind it's quite plausible. I just haven't seen any proof that it actually happened that way. That's why I asked.
4 hours ago, David Andrews said:Does this long-running scheme seem silly now?
No. In addition to the examples you site, one closer to home is a book "The Pinochet File". Same cast, different setting. There was no "too far".
4 hours ago, David Andrews said:read around in the various interviews (and EdForum posts!) of Gerry Patrick Hemming, and the interview with Roy Hargraves conducted by Noel Twyman for the book Bloody Treason.
I've read about Hemmings before. Not sure what to make of him. I'll follow up on your suggestions, though. Thanks.
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On 3/14/2020 at 5:44 AM, David Boylan said:
We are joined by Special Guest BILL SIMPICH ("State Secret", "The Twelve Who Built The Oswald Legend") for a Fantastically Enjoyable conversation covering a wide spectrum of Assassination-Centric topics
That was interesting. Some interesting (to me) items to note, as I remember it:
15:04 Dorothy Matlack was an entry clerk (or some such) that worked her way up to be a debriefing specialist and the Pentagon liason to CIA.
17:16 Her "big break" in Army Intelligence was handling refugees from Hungary and Cuba in the early 60's.
18:30 She is part of Inter Agency Defector Committee.
20:50 It was revealed that she consulted with DS2137 about how soviets handle defectors in 62 (I think) about the time Oswald and Webster returned. DS2137, according to Simpich, was Golytsin.
22:55 Marina questioned by NVD shortly before leaving for US according to Golytsin
28:42 "Oswald's wife was our swallow" according to an Soviet internal counter intelligence agent much later.
33:41 She met George DeM at the airport when he came to testify (Church committee?) and possibly coached him before his testimony. She was not a lawyer, so he could have answered that he had not been coached by any lawyers.
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Thanks for all the informed responses. I was not expecting so much. Apparently it is a known story, just not very well if at all substantiated. And, as far as I can tell (lol, smh), it's not something that was released recently.
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
I can't get any sound after clicking on the play arrow from your link. (I use Linux-based machines, but seldom have difficulty with web-based audio.)
Jim, I use Linux (slackware) too and I'm able to listen to them. I realize that doesn't fix your problem, but you can probably rule out OS issues as the culprit. I'm using chrome Version 80.0.3987.106. There was a silent pause for a few seconds at the beginning for me.
Also, you can download the mp3 by clicking on the quote bubble of the little app.
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https://www.amazon.com/Wall-Secrecy-Assassination-Angleton-William-ebook/dp/B07DMR2PG9
I searched this forum and the author was mentioned in a BYP discussion, but not this book AFAICT.
The blurb says:
"The evidence as we know it today tends to indicate that various people involved who had been in Dallas, Texas on or around the date of the assassination may have had an understanding that the operation might have been either a fake assassination attempt of the President or had been part of an abort team set up to stop an assassination."
Is this the "evidence as we know it today"? Has anyone seen this theory of a fake assassination or abort team mentioned elsewhere? It seems to suggest that this information comes from recently released documents.
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4 hours ago, Bob Ness said:
the article complains they didn't have copies of the drives AFTER the images were taken?
Bob, is this what you are referring to?
"If Crowdstrike gave the FBI any data it was drive images (we don’t even know which ones). This did not include memory dumps, network pocket captures, firewall activity, etc. This additional data is crucial and should have been examined in real-time by the FBI. If indeed any drive images were given to the FBI, these would have been contaminated because they continued to use these drives for weeks after the alleged hack."
It doesn't sound like it, but I couldn't find a statement that sounded exactly like that. I searched the page for "drive" and "after" and this was the closest I got.
What about it makes it "blather", if you don't mind elaborating a bit?
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5 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:
If Bernie wins vs. Trump, he’s got 6 months to live.
Who's more cynical, you or Cliff? Tough call.
Another hear attack? Maybe you're implying something more sinister. Like "heart attacked". Why do I always have to ask you to elaborate on your pregnant statements? Are you just trolling 😉?
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30 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
I think Bernie will have a clear plurality, but will the Democrats close ranks behind Bernie?
First, Other Kirk, you seem to do way more analysis than me. I'm just spit ballin' so I can't address all of your well made points, but, do they sound like they are going to? Doesn't sound like it to me.
No analysis or facts behind my conjecture, but when I read Hillary's quoted "don't tempt me" and saw the book tour, my thought was she was looking for an entrance. When I saw Bloomberg announce his
candidacycampaign I thought "that looks like it". But at the time I thought Biden would amount to more than he has and that would cut her off. That looks like a decreasing possibility. -
11 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:
Ask yourself this: has there ever been an instance in modern American politics where the winner of the first 3 contests was denied the nomination?
I don't see how that's relevant. Have we ever been anywhere that looked anything close to being like where we are at now? I say we are in uncharted territory. You don't agree? For Christ sakes, Cliff, you yourself are talking about Democratic Socialism v Theocratic Fascism face off. When's the last time that happened?
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Since nobody here is anywhere close to being on-topic: HRC/Bloomberg at a brokered convention to oust Sanders/?. Could it happen? Sanders is only pulling about half of the dem voters, so if you collapse all the moderates into a single group . . . I just don't see anyone else pulling it off and I don't think the "moderates" will let Bernie have it. What's the alternative?
No, I haven't been drinking. But, I'm not even sure if it is legally possible.
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2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
If Oswald defected to the USSR in October of 1959 and revealed to them information on the U-2, he was giving them outdated technology that our country was already phasing out.
I think your statement is correct but I wasn't it phased out by satellite technology (Corona and eventually Keyhole)? I seem to remember a link here to the NRO historical documents that indicated such. Was the U3 ever operational?
found it. was from Robert Wheeler:
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
in Political Discussions
Posted
He starts by talking about the dishonest media, then:
"There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community and the CIA than Donald Trump" and "you're going to get so much backing that your going to say please don't give us so much backing". Interesting first comments considering how things turned out.
JANUARY 21, 2017
President Trump Remarks at the Central Intelligence Agency
President Trump spoke to employees in the lobby of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) headquarters in Langley, Virginia. It was his first event on his first full day as president.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?422418-1/president-trump-tells-cia-we-rid-isis