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  1. Andrej Stancak

    Prayer Man

    John: I saw very few Wiegman frames on internet which surprisingly did not show PM at his post, however, basically all Wiegman frames show him there - the person with the light spot moving as if Prayer Man was drinking. In the meantime, I have calculated the distance from the 1st-floor lunchroom to the doorway, and came to 21 m. This distance with just a slightly faster (6 km/hour) walking than leisure speed (5 km/hour) would require 12 seconds. As there was at least 5.6 s interval between the first and last shot, Lee could have started before the final shot and the 12-second walking time would shrink by few seconds. Your calculation sounds good to me, however, it needs to be cross-checked. This is a really important issue and I am glad that you and Chris embarked on it. Not an easy task.
  2. I may be wrong, however, I see the ceiling light in the first-floor vestibule behind the glass door lit up in Darnell film. I wonder how this could be if the power in the building was out.
  3. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    I agree that the photo is a bit blurred and does not provide all details as we would wish to see, and Mr. Frazier could use this to say what he has said. I also remember that someone else asked the same question and Mr. Frazier responded that he was not even aware that someone would stand there. Autobiographical memories can be activated by prompts, such as odors or pictures. I would be keen to show Mr. Frazier the 3D model of the doorway and ask him to comment on any figure there, not explicitly about Prayer Man. Maybe he would recall who this person and other people in the doorway were when the whole scene would be revived in front of him. Would your friend be willing to show Mr. Frazier some model images and record what he has to say?
  4. Andrej Stancak

    Prayer Man

    While I tend to agree with you that Wiegman film (especially the first capturing of the doorway in W14//15) was taken seconds after the last shot, I miss a straightforward and verifiable reconstruction. I do not have time at present to dip into it, however, I guess it will be necessary to analyse this all the way through using your and Chris's data. The question of when did Wiegman first capture the doorway is of great importance. It is the period between hearing shots and W15 when Oswald had a chance to leave the 1st floor lunchroom and get to the location at the western wall of the doorway. Am I right to assume that he needed some 12-15 seconds to make the distance from the 1st floor lunchroom to the doorway?
  5. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    I will ask some distinguished people whom the community respects very much to advise. If Jim would be keen to help or even write to the Sixth Floor, I would support it. I myself will not write anything as a request because it could be easily turned down and it would be a precedent. (I have to say that the Sixth Floor Museum was unusually supportive when I approached them 3-4 times with my requests). I am not familiar with US laws to know how and what can be asked.
  6. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    Francois: I see no point in repeating again all the reasons for exploring the possibility that Oswald was Prayer Man. Jeremy and others have summarised some main points excellently. Something important happened last week and I would like that we take this forward and make another step. It may be worthy to understand where we differ the most in our opinions. 1. There was a massive cover-up involving manipulations with evidence, suppressing some testimonies and advising people what to say and what not to say. This cover-up was government-led and it continues until today. There is no way that any US president would ever reveal the most secret information pertaining to this case. A very large number of documents have been released but not the most important ones. We may never see those documents which would shed light on the case (e.g., Oswald's tax records, destroyed SS documents). In contrast, you believe that there was no cover-up, and it is only the conspiracy theorist's mind which craves for data which do not exist. 2. We attribute different weights to Hosty's and Fritz'/Bookhout's testimonies. This most recent finding (Hosty's notes) is a breakthrough because it brought to daylight a recording from the very first interrogation before any cover-up could kick in. Hosty's notes were made as Oswald spoke. The validity of these notes is incomparable to the validity of e.g., Fritz's notes which I gather were drafted maybe years after the interrogation using Bookhout's notes as the template. As cover-up was in place already on the evening of November 22 ("the case is cinched"), any post-hoc elaborated notes would contain references to incriminating information which Oswald never said. Hosty does not mention the 2nd-floor encounter and as his notes were authentic (similar to a stenographic record), it is for this reason that the scenario without the 2nd-floor lunchroom encounter is the more likely version of events. You instead do not have any doubts about the 2nd-floor lunchroom encounter. 3. We also differ in interpreting "in" and "out" in the context of Oswald's whereabouts during the shooting. Those believing in the veracity of Hosty's notes say that Oswald had lunch in the first-floor lunchroom when shots rang out. (I would say when the first shot rang out). Thus it is possible to say he was in the building during the shooting, and that he did not watch the motorcade. Oswald moved to the front and got to the doorway just seconds after the last shot and we see him at the western wall as Prayer Man. So, he saw a tail of the motorcade (in a way he saw part of the parade) and he surely saw the excitement. He surely was in the vicinity of Mr. Shelley just seconds after the shooting. In contrast, you believe that Oswald was shooting at the President during this critical period and that he was buying another Coke when Baker entered the lunchroom. It is impossible to resolve these differences at this stage. I hope more new data will pop up and that Darnell and Wiegman films will be eventually given to the public as Z-film was.
  7. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    Fracois: please, count me in. So, where do we go from here now? The living witnesses, Mr. Frazier and Mr. Lewis, should be asked who was the unknown man standing at the western wall of the Depository doorway. Also, a letter (petition?) should be sent to the Sixth Floor Museum requesting a digital copy of just one frame of Darnell film (the one we all use, the sharpest one). The letter should point to this new evidence and ask for collaboration. I am not a US citizen and cannot help in that, however, it may be worthy to contact a member of the Congress and/or member of Oswald's or Kennedy's family to support this request. There must be a way to break the unnecessary lock-down for this film. I can help with providing an overlay of Oswald's figure onto Prayer Man and explaining why Prayer Man could only be a person 5'9'' (meaning a male and male of Oswald's body height), however, the letter could well go without any of my data.
  8. Andrej Stancak

    Prayer Man

    John, it is about the locations of cars filmed by Wiegman's camera in his frame W15. Let us see if it will match with what Wiegman told Trask. I see changes in the doorway captured by Wiegman that suggest that his W15 (the first frame in which the Depository doorway is seen) was filmed several seconds after Z255. How many, seconds I do not know, however, I trust Chris can figure it out. Wiegman's narrative would indeed suggest that he started filming after the last shot.
  9. Andrej Stancak

    Prayer Man

    Thanks, Chris. My review of Wiegman shows two identical frames, W014 and W015, at least in the version of Wiegman I could analyse. However, Myers could have access to some other, perhaps better, version of Wiegman film. I am not sure if I got the message, however, it seems that you find W15 at Z197+5.3 seconds which would be Z197+98 frames (18.5/s) = Z295? That would be after Z257 but before Z313.
  10. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    As to the timing of Lee Oswald's movements during and just after shooting, there does not seem to be enough detailed data in witness testimonies. Based on data presented in this thread, I am inclined to believe that Oswald was in the 1st floor lunchroom when shots rang out which should satisfy our LN colleagues here (Oswald was in the building during the shooting). However, he moved to the front of the first floor and into the doorway (the glass door was semi-open throughout the assassination) when he heard shots and he reached his spot as Prayer Man only seconds after the last shot (he saw the tail of the P. parade and the excitement). We see Prayer Man at his spot in Wiegman but I fail to see him at that spot in Hughes. I asked Chris Davidson for his estimate of the 1st Wiegman frame showing the doorway (W14) relative to Z313. Dale Meyer's estimate (frame Z257 = W14) does not seem to be plausible because some of the doorway occupants changed their postures/locations significantly between Altgens6 (Z255) and W14. As a small example: Carl Jones stares to the east (Houston Street) in Altgens6 but not in Wiegman.
  11. Andrej Stancak

    Prayer Man

    Chris, you surely did your homework and it was not an easy task. For the less informed person like myself, what would be your time estimate relative to Z313 for the 1st frame in Wiegman film showing the Depository doorway, and similarly the last Wiegman frame showing the doorway (end of the second epoch).
  12. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    Francois: there are points on which we can agree and this is certainly one of those.
  13. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    This is a good point, Francois. Time to ask Mr. Frazier once more about the person standing less than three feet from him. Mr. Frazier actually has been asked but somehow could not answer. So, why? If it would be some fellow employee, Mr. Frazier would say who Prayer Man was. He would not say who that man was only if it was Lee Oswald. Indirectly, Mr. Frazier confirms that Prayer Man was someone of identity so sensitive that he cannot say. I always wondered how could Mr. Frazier be so sure that Lee was innocent. Mr. Frazier says only nice things about Lee Oswald and believes in his innocence even if it was his testimony which pinned the guilt for Presidents killing onLee Oswald - the elongated paper bag and no bag with lunch. Well, Mr. Frazier could be so certain only if he knew dead well that Lee was not the shooter. For instance, if he saw Lee less than three feet apart from him just seconds after the last shot.
  14. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    Ray: an excellent quotation from this rare book which I did not read and maybe many other researchers neither. So, the officer and Truly left Oswald on the first floor before continuing upstairs. This is another confirmation of the true course of events.
  15. Andrej Stancak

    Then went outside to watch the P. parade

    Francois: There is a difference between Hosty's and Fritz' notes. Hosty's notes are authentic, they were taken during the first interrogation on Friday, 22/11/63, 3.15PM. Hosty's notes are on the back of a DPD affidavit form which he said independently he used before his notes were discovered last week. Hosty's book closely follows the notes up to the point, and the point was that he went out to see the P. parade. You do not go to watch the parade several minutes after it had passed the building, the parade was still around. Oswald would not have any benefit from lying about the second-floor encounter should it ever happen - it would be silly to try to suppress it if both Truly and Baker would be able to confirm it. The point is that at 3.15PM, the cover-up was not that tight yet and the 2nd-floor encounter was not cooked properly. In contrast, Fritz's notes are not authentic. In the first place, he did not take any notes during the interrogation itself. He used the FBI agent Bookhout 's notes to jot down his notes at some point later, it may have been days or even weeks later, maybe just before his testimony for the Warren Commission. Those notes are already tainted and contain a reference to the second-floor encounter which is not even mentioned in Officer Baker's first testimony. Irrespective of going out to watch P. parade, the course of events described by Agent Hosty fits with the recent report of Mrs. Sarah Stanton's family, conveyed to Mr. Doyle last June. Mrs. Stanton said she has met Lee Oswald on stairs (most likely the stairs connecting the 1st and 2nd floor) while she was in the process of going out to watch the motorcade several minutes before the shooting. The motorcade was due 12.25PM, so it would be just minutes before 12.25PM. Lee said to Mrs. Stanton that he was only going to buy Coke for his lunch and that he would then proceed to his "room". Mrs. Stanton saw what Lee Oswald said during his first interrogation session and what James Hosty scribbled down. Lee had his Coke before the shooting and came from the first floor to the second floor to get it (as Hosty's notes say). What Mrs. Stanton could not see was that Lee then returned to the first floor - that was the "room" captured in Mrs. Stanton's statements.
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