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    James C Jenkins - JFK Autopsy Pathologist

    I just reviewed again Paul O'Conner's witness stand testimony as shown in the 1986 documentary "On Trial - Lee Harvey Oswald." Not long into O'Conner's testimony he said something quite startling to me relative to what James Jenkins said ( and the three other first hand sources Jenkins cites in this threads posted interview ) regarding the actual time of arrival of JFK's body to the Bethesda Naval hospital morgue. In response to Gerry Spence's question of when JFK's body arrived, O'Conner says JFK's body arrived at 8:00 pm. This threw me as Jenkins and the three others Jenkins cites in his interview all gave 6:30 PM as the time of JFK'S body arrival to the morgue Just thought I would mention this time line anomaly. I would think O'Conner and Jenkins would be on the same page on this specific and super important point. 11:50 "ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (PART 19) (PAUL O'CONNOR) Also, in regards to O'Conner's claims that JFK's brain was literally blown out of his head, Bugliosi questions O'Conner's mental state and memory recall considering how shocking the whole experience was for 21 year old Navy Corpsman O'Conner. Bugliosi then refers to O'Conner's 1978 HSCA testimony where O'Conner didn't mention the things he just mentioned about JFK's missing brain to Gerry Spence and the jury in this trial. O'Conner seemed a little thrown by Bugliosi's question and responded that he simply wasn't asked those specific questions by the HSCA. What I thought O'Conner should have mentioned in his Oswald trial testimony, and that would have greatly bolstered his claims about JFK's brains essentially being obliterated or previously removed, was his observation as to whether the standard brain removal procedure he outlined to Gerry Spence was done to JFK when he first unwrapped and had his first look at JFK's head right after lifting his body out of the casket. This would include the extensive skull wide sawing work and dura matter peeling back that would have had to occur for JFK's brain to be removed properly before Boswell and Humes might have done this in the morgue before JFK's body was in the actual autopsy room. Was it noted in the autopsy report that JFK's skull was sawed open like that and all the other cutting of brain connected tissue required to remove a brain was done after JFK's body arrived at Bethesda? Mr. O'Conner, did you see this kind of brain removal side to side sawing to JFK's skull at any time before, during and after the autopsy? Sorry, for getting into O'Conner's testimony more than Jenkins interview here, but O'Conner was RIGHT THERE NEXT TO JENKINS from the opening of the casket in the morgue to the autopsy room and his testimony of everything he witnessed that night could make or break Jenkin's credibility ( or O'Conner's ) in regards to their accounts which seemed to vary at times.
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    James C Jenkins - JFK Autopsy Pathologist

    In this interview Jenkin's says he deferred to Dennis David's time line regards the casket arrival etc. He says he also referred to Sgt. Roger Boyajian's time line as stated in Boyajian's report as shown in the interview. He also mentioned Dr. Jay Scott ( officer of the day at Bethesda that day ) also saying that JFK's casket arrived at 6:30 PM in response to William Law's question of such. That's three separate corroborating first person accounts ( all right there at Bethesda during the arrival of JFK's body ) verifying the 6:30 PM casket arrival time which would seem very difficult to dismiss as not credible considering these were all military men and their presence there at that exact time is proven beyond doubt. It is mentioned by Jenkin's interviewer that Jackie arrived at Bethesda at approximately 7:15 PM. Is that the actual "documented" time Jackie arrived at Bethesda? I admit I am not researched at all in this area to know anything about Jackie's Bethesda documented arrival time line. And was she still in the Hearst that she entered at Andrews when she arrived at Bethesda and still believing the casket in the back of the Hearst contained her husband? If this 6:30 PM time line of the plain casket arrival at Bethesda as stated by Dennis David, Sgt. Roger Boyajian, Dr. Jay Scott and Jenkins and probably Paul O'Conner is true...and Jackie in the Andrews loading Hearst with the bronze casket didn't arrive to Bethesda until 7:15 PM ... there is a problem. Is it possible however, that Jackie and Robert Kennedy were told before Air Force One arrived at Andrews, that the military had a plan for switching JFK's body to another casket for reasons of security and privacy from the press? That the bronze casket loaded into the Hearst along with Jackie and RFK would be empty? I am sure that if they did, they would have to have had approval from Jackie and RFK before doing so.
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    Number of shots

    Thanks Ron.
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    James C Jenkins - JFK Autopsy Pathologist

    Ron, thanks for correcting my misstatement regarding Jenkin's helping O'Conner lift JFK's body out of the plain casket. If Jenkin's book comments about someone other than Humes doing brain removal procedures before hand, so that JFK's brain fell out in Hume's hands without Humes having to do these procedures are true...how can anyone doubt a cover up? I thought I heard Jenkins say in the interview that he held JFK's brain in his hand before putting it into a sling and that he stated " less than a 3rd of the total brain was missing?"
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    Number of shots

    Larry H. So are you saying silencers could not have been in use in Dealey Plaza on 11,22,1963?
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    Oswald IS Wearing a Ring upon his Arrest

    What was the standard big city police policy back in 1963 of jewelry wearing murder suspects regarding allowing them to keep these on their person once they are placed in custody and a jail cell? Any general guesses?
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    James C Jenkins - JFK Autopsy Pathologist

    Basic question ( I know it's been asked 1,000 times already-sorry ) about the more plain casket that O'Conner and Jenkins say they lifted JFK's body out of versus the heavy and ornate bronze one loaded onto Air Force 1 back in Dallas. Was the switch made on Air Force one before the plane landed back at Andrews? Or was JFK's body simply lifted out of the bronze casket and placed into the plain one after the bronze one was already at Bethesda Naval hospital? If the switch was made on Air Force 1, how grotesquely disrespectful it was to Jackie Kennedy to let her think she was actually lovingly accompanying her husband's body to Bethesda. However, it seems logical that the switch was made at Bethesda for practical reasons such as the cumbersome weight and size of the bronze casket. Jenkins definitely feels that LBJ and Hoover were involved with the assassination.
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    Oswald IS Wearing a Ring upon his Arrest

    That's no wedding ring. It's a Marine Corp one...right? Oswald's wearing of this "Semper Fi - Always Faithful" Marine Corp ring suggests to me that he felt at least "some" pride and loyalty feelings tied to it's symbolic brotherhood meaning. A Marine Corp ring worn on the wedding finger of a person who allegedly just brutally blew apart a President's head only inches from his wife's face and mere hours before is a strange thing but even more strange considering Oswald was supposedly such a devout Marxist commie as described by the national media that very day. A USA hating commie wearing a U.S. Marine Corps service honoring ring? And wouldn't that big hunky top ring possibly have been a hindrance in handling, firing and reloading the chambers of that piece of junk Italian rifle? And If Oswald did do the JFK act, you'd think he wouldn't want to shame his fellow Marine brothers by keeping the corps honoring ring on throughout his embarrassing world viewed arrest perp walks. And what is that metal bracelet Oswald is wearing on his wrist? And wouldn't the Dallas police have done a complete body pat down and search of a violently resisting murder suspect and removed any jewelry off of him as identification evidence at some point especially when he was placed in a jail cell?
  9. I want to repost this edited version of my previous Earlene Robert's one in response to L.Payette's last post countering my points and views regards Mrs. Roberts and her DPD car story and her personal credibility. I would like to read his feedback to this edited post of mine and regards other points he made as well. L. Payette quotes: "For those of us who have not imbibed the Conspiracy Kool-Aid and donned our Conspiracy Blinders, there is just no mystery to this sequence of events. Roberts' tale is simply not credible. She was a goofball who embellished the actual events, simple as that. If you're going to prove me wrong, it's going to take a scenario that plausibly deals with all of the above points and affirmatively presents something more than raw speculation." "I know, I know: I keep saying I’m moving on. But then the little Monty Python demon on my shoulder eggs me on: ( “Come on, Lance, you old fart, have another Guinness Stout and play along with the wackiness for a little while - it'll be fun!”) Lance, you call Roberts a "goofball" ... who embellished the actual events, simple as that." You also say that Robert's didn't mention the police car until a week after 11,22,1963. In whatever documents that are available concerning what Earlene Roberts did or did not say to the press and the authorities right after 11,22,1963, can you say with researched certainty that she never mentioned the police car to anyone in that week? Ms. Roberts said she was stressed to the max with all the reporters and authorities descending on her every day that week. I could easily imagine a single, older woman in quite poor health and struggling to make necessity ends meet in a low pay physical job, being discombobulated and exhausted enough to not easily organizing all her thoughts and recollections of her experience that day after being descended upon by a horde of press, police and other authorities on the most crazy and stressful day and week of her life. And maybe she was "afraid" to share everything she heard or saw that day. Afraid of saying something that might jeopardize her job with "the scrooge" Mrs. Johnson as well? And as far as embellishing what she saw and heard that day, Ms. Roberts shared a very succinct and sparsely described bare bones account ( very true to what people who knew Oswald would expect ) of what she saw and heard regards her personal encounter with Oswald bustling in past her to his room and the fact he said nothing in response to her saying to him he sure was in a hurry and with absolutely nothing said back to her by Oswald as he left minutes later as well. If Roberts was such a teller of "tall tales" and who did this for attention, wouldn't someone like this embellish her encounter with the "now world famous" Oswald more than she did ( which she didn't at all ) for some "real" attention instead of just her later added on, off-the-wall weird "tall tale" about a DPD car parking in front of her residence and honking twice, which even she had the sense to know would bring her the wrong type of attention and just add to her greatly stressed situation? The reality of Mrs. Robert's not at all exaggerating or embellishing her personal one-on-one encounter with Oswald around 1:pm on 11,22,1963 is starkly contrary to the extremely negative and discrediting image assigned to her by her critics who don't address this dichotomy. And I also believe Robert's DPD car story is just too illogically removed from the strongly pushed motive of her making up exaggerated "tall tales" for attention for at least two reasons. One: it is too detailed an account with car color and type descriptions, honk types and numbers, two uniformed officers inside, exact time of and time length of occurrence, direction and speed of departure and even some comparative past police car pull up visit claims ( which were actually verified by DPD officer Alexander ) to be made up just for the purpose of attention in that any story with that many details is an extremely risky one to present because so many of those details could be easily proven to be false if they were simply made up. The reported official documentation and under oath testimony record countering Robert's story details seems weak with poorly explained holes at best. Two: This car parking and honking story would not immediately make Roberts anymore attention popular to the press and others simply because it's is so off-the-wall and it's relevance and importance would not be easily and quickly understood. If Roberts was as dumb as one Dallas police officer claimed she was, then she herself would have a hard time explaining why she would make up such an odd story just for attention. And on another note; neither I nor several other newer non-researcher members who are posting fairly regularly on this forum now are trying to create an "illusion" that we are credible and deep researchers. We all say often we are not. However, I think we still feel our respectfully presented observations and views of well known aspects of the assassination truth research are worthy of sharing if for any other reason than their pure JFK truth seeking passion and enthusiasm. And this forum has had a large influx of such posters and readers from what I remember seeing just a couple of years ago ( when it almost shut down ) and seems much more participatory and popular as a result imo. "Roberts’ affidavit of December 5, 1963 doesn’t mention any car. (Even though the FBI report of a week earlier does mention car number 207, and Valentine and Westbrook had already nailed down the whereabouts of this car, the omission is highly suspicious to a true conspiracy theorist." Lance, as it should be. And lastly, addressing Mrs. Roberts blindness in one eye and how this handicap supposedly taints and weakens the credibility of her DPD car parking and honking story from a visual aspect. One of my longest and best friend friendships ( 57 years going back to elementary school ) is with a practicing lawyer who was completely blinded in one eye in a tree trimming accident 30 years ago. He is 67 now. He lives a completely full and productive life and drives his car alone everywhere. We occasionally have lunch together at a local "subway" sandwich shop. He can see very well even at some distance with his one good eye. Mrs. Roberts rooming house front windows were what...maybe 30 to 40 or even a few more feet away from the curb in front of her residence? The ability of her with one good eye ( even if aided by glasses ) to identify a car pulling up there as a police car and to see how many occupants were in this car at that relatively close distance is easily possible.
  10. Roy, that "tit-tit" horn honk sound description is a direct quote in Earlene Robert's WC testimony.
  11. For those of us who have not imbibed the Conspiracy Kool-Aid and donned our Conspiracy Blinders, there is just no mystery to this sequence of events. Roberts' tale is simply not credible. She was a goofball who embellished the actual events, simple as that. If you're going to prove me wrong, it's going to take a scenario that plausibly deals with all of the above points and affirmatively presents something more than raw speculation. I know, I know: I keep saying I’m moving on. But then the little Monty Python demon on my shoulder eggs me on: “Come on, Lance, you old fart, have another Guinness Stout and play along with the wackiness for a little while - it'll be fun!”) Lance, you call Roberts a "goofball" ..."who embellished the actual events, simple as that." You also say that Robert's didn't mention the police car until a week after 11,22,1963. In whatever documents that are available concerning what Earlene Roberts did or did not say to the press and the authorities right after 11,22,1963, can you say with researched certainty that she never mentioned the police car to anyone in that week? Ms. Roberts said she was stressed to the max with all the reporters and authorities descending on her every day that week. I could easily imagine a single, older woman in quite poor health and struggling to make necessity ends meet in a low pay physical job, being discombobulated and exhausted enough to not easily organizing all her thoughts and recollections of her experience that day after being descended upon by a horde of press, police and other authorities on the most crazy and stressful day and week of her life. And maybe she was "afraid" to share everything she heard or saw that day. Afraid of saying something that might jeopardize her job with the scrooge Mrs. Johnson as well? And as far as embellishing what she saw and heard that day, Ms. Roberts shared a very succinct and sparsely described bare bones account ( very true to what people who knew Oswald would expect ) of what she saw and heard regards her personal encounter with Oswald bustling in past her to his room and the fact he said nothing in response to her saying to him he sure was in a hurry and with absolutely nothing said back to her by Oswald as he left minutes later as well. If Roberts was such a teller of "tall tales" and who did this for attention, wouldn't someone like this embellish her encounter with the "now world famous" Oswald more than she did ( which she didn't at all ) for some "real" attention instead of just her later added on, off-the-wall weird "tall tale" about a DPD car parking in front of her residence and honking twice, which even she had the sense to know would bring her the wrong type of attention and just add to her greatly stressed situation? The reality of Mrs. Robert's not at all exaggerating or embellishing her personal one-on-one encounter with Oswald around 1:pm on 11,22,1963 is starkly contrary to the extremely negative and discrediting image assigned to her by her critics who don't address this dichotomy. And I also believe Robert's DPD car story is just too illogically removed from the strongly pushed motive of her making up exaggerated "tall tales" for attention for at least two reasons. One: it is too detailed an account with car color and type descriptions, honk types and numbers, two uniformed officers inside, exact time of and time length of occurrence, direction and speed of departure and even some comparative past police car pull up visit claims ( which were actually verified by DPD officer Alexander ) to be made up just for the purpose of attention in that any story with that many details is an extremely risky one to present because so many of those details could be easily proven to be false if they were simply made up. The reported official documentation and under oath testimony record countering Robert's story details seems weak with holes at best. Two: This car parking and honking story would not immediately make Roberts anymore attention popular to the press and others simply because it's is so off-the-wall and it's relevance and importance would not be easily and quickly understood. If Roberts was as dumb as one Dallas police officer claimed she was, then she herself would have a hard time explaining why she would make up such an odd story just for attention. And on another note; neither I nor several other newer non-researcher members who are posting fairly regularly on this forum now are trying to create an "illusion" that we are credible and deep researchers. We all say often we are not. However, I think we still feel our respectfully presented observations and views of well known aspects of the assassination truth research are worthy of sharing if for any other reason than their pure JFK truth seeking passion and enthusiasm. And this forum has had a large influx of such posters and readers from what I remember seeing just a couple of years ago ( when it almost shut down ) and seems much more participatory and popular as a result imo. "Roberts’ affidavit of December 5, 1963 doesn’t mention any car. (Even though the FBI report of a week earlier does mention car number 207, and Valentine and Westbrook had already nailed down the whereabouts of this car, the omission is highly suspicious to a true conspiracy theorist." Lance, as it should be. And lastly, addressing Mrs. Roberts blindness in one eye and how this handicap supposedly taints and weakens the credibility of her DPD car parking and honking story from a visual aspect. One of my longest and best friend friendships ( 57 years going back to elementary school ) is with a practicing lawyer who was completely blinded in one eye in a tree trimming accident 30 years ago. He is 67 now. He lives a completely full and productive life and drives his car alone everywhere. We occasionally have lunch together at a local "subway" sandwich shop. He can see very well even at some distance with his one good eye. Mrs. Roberts rooming house front windows were what...maybe 30 to 40 or even a few more feet away from the curb in front of her residence? The ability of her with one good eye ( even if aided by glasses ) to identify a car pulling up there as a police car and to see how many occupants were in this car at that relatively close distance is easily possible.
  12. If there is a film made using this book as a template, will they allow any of these JFK assassination related accounts to be in the script? My guess is...no. There is a classic MO you so often see in Organized Crime ordered murders of high profile or status targets. And that is the use of team conspirators posing as police officers with real police uniforms either assisting in the actual murder or providing secure actual police free space for the murder and/or escape cover for the real murderers. You see this in organized crime themed movies all the time ( the Godfather 2 film showed this ) and who can forget Capone's Valentine's Day massacre was carried out by his hit men dressed as cops. In Dealey Plaza there were reports by real policemen stating they confronted civilian suit wearing individuals who they didn't instantly recognize in the Rail Road parking lot and around the Texas School Book Depository building just minutes after the fatal shots, and who pulled out identification as Secret Service men when there were officially no SS men present there. Jimmy Hoffa was interviewed on the Dick Cavett show on 10,31,1973. You must view this. 45:48 Jimmy Hoffa on his ties to La Cosa Nostra| Dick Cavett show October 1973. MAFIA-PEDIA • 444 views4 months ago Hoffa #LaCosaNostra #Gambino #Bonanno #Luchese #Genovese #Columbo Organized crime figure There are many fascinating comments by Hoffa in this interview regarding JFK and RFK and Hoffa's feelings and even actions on the day each was murdered. I think this nationally broadcast television appearance by Hoffa may have sealed his future murder fate. It was one of those "the guy is talking too much" Mafia things where they probably thought and decided Hoffa was playing against their rules by trying to gain back his Teamsters presidency with an end-around national publicity angle when they didn't want him back in this position.
  13. Joe Bauer

    Black Op Radio/ Len Osanic: Vince Palamara

    There are speakers who put you to sleep after about 20 minutes. Vince keeps you awake! It is his still youthful energy and kind of innocently sincere, Pittsburgh raised regular guy "Gosh, can you believe THAT" exuberance along with his always interesting research subject matter that keeps me listening to his talks and interviews. VP seems to me like a fun, upbeat, unpretentious, non-confrontational. down to Earth but still smart and interesting guy you'd want to share pizza, beer and working class jokes with. Vince, I still think Clint Hill fell in love with Jackie Kennedy during his extremely close and personal protective bodyguard role ( for years ) with her and that a real part of his post 11,22,1963 depression, drinking and strained marriage stress was due to living and struggling with this unfulfilled yearning. Also, just watched the Zapruder film in real and slow motion time for the 10,000th time and Clint Hill arrived to the limo trunk top "after" Jackie had climbed on this to retrieve part of her husband's skull or brain and had clearly already turned and pulled herself back and was almost back in the rear seat by the time Hill actually made contact with her. Not trying to diminish Hill's attempts but he didn't need to push Jackie back into the limo rear seat as much as she herself got back to it, where upon Hill did throw himself over her and JFK in a brave body shielding way.
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    Long-Lost Garrison Files to Be Released

    Curious what Jim D has to say about this release.
  15. Roy and Steve, Mrs. Johnson was an extremely hostile witness towards Earlene Roberts. To me Johnson's WC testimony is suspicious in her blatant attempt to paint Mrs. Roberts in a negative and bad credibility light. She had to point out to the WC that Roberts was blind in one eye, that she exaggerated and liked to embellish stories and talked too much to residents of the rooming house. Johnson described Roberts as "overweight" which caused her "handicapped problems" and how she was "disagreeable" to residents. It's almost as if a prosecutor trying to depreciate Mrs. Robert's credibility and honesty and dismantle her testimony and specifically her story of the DPD car with two uniformed police officer occupants parking in front of her residence and honking twice ( especially at the time she states this happened ) put Mrs. Johnson on the stand for this purpose by having her state highly subjective and pejorative views of Mrs. Roberts as an employee and a person in general. You would've hoped that at least one of Mrs. Johnson's WC questioners might have pointed out how clearly hostile Mrs. Johnson seemed toward Mrs. Roberts in her testimony about her personal feelings and takes on Robert's and asked her to try to stick to more objective facts in responses to their questions to her about Roberts. And maybe asked Johnson why she kept Roberts as an employee as long as she did if she was as bad and personally flawed as Mrs. Johnson stated she was? Mrs. Johnson hardly gave Ms. Roberts any credit at all for what appeared to be good and honest work on Robert's part in doing this obviously physically demanding and low pay housekeeper domestic work and for years at a time. And in bad health and tired later years to boot? No empathy for Roberts and her difficult hard work life at all from Mrs. Johnson. And incredibly, Johnson ( who left this part out of her WC testimony) actually "lowered" Ms. Robert's salary at a time when Robert's situation with her job had become incredibly stressful on her due to the Oswald affair! Talk about a Scrooge mentality and treatment on Johnson's part toward her employee Roberts. No wonder Roberts quit. Johnson further revealed her money obsessed cheapness when she boldly inquired about getting the original Oswald related paper she gave to the WC back, telling them it was worth money to her. Talk about character flaws? Mrs. Roberts sweated through her low pay, no respect domestic work until the age of 59. Mrs. Johnson couldn't hold Robert's shoes in the category of work integrity and commitment under their disparate life and burden circumstances. Yet here she is, telling the WC what a flawed character Ms. Roberts is and was. And how she had the gall to walk off her job without notice. Ms. Roberts obviously finished her daily work before she left ( there's integrity ) and cheapskate, character disparaging Johnson didn't deserve notice. I believe Robert's story regarding a DPD car and two uniformed men parking and honking at the exact time Oswald was in his boarding house room. Roberts was right there at 1026 North Beckley on 11,22,1963.. And if any event would be clearly, honestly and powerfully etched into ones memory, it would be specific words, actions and observations on the day JFK was killed. And in Robert's case especially. She was interacting with Oswald himself! And Roberts wasn't so feeble minded that she would have a hard time remembering details of such a dynamic encounter just 5 months previous to her testimony. Roberts shared her Dallas PD car parking and honking story to other authorities before the WC. Kind of hard to keep a " made up" story straight telling it several times under stressful conditions. Sounds like the only part of her story that equivocated much was the actual car number. And with all of Mrs. Johnson's disparaging remarks about Roberts, did Johnson ever have any situation with Roberts where she caught Roberts flat out lying to her? Or doing anything else unethical like going through boarder's belongs when she was alone in their rooms? I worked and still work in hotels. Every day, housekeepers ( almost all relatively low paid and struggling ) go into 6 or 7 guests rooms and are surrounded by personal items that are often of great value. Talk about temptation! Yet, only once in 10 years did I ever hear a complaint or charge by a guest that they felt a housekeeper had stolen something from their room. It's a huge sign of good character that housekeepers are almost universally honest, humble and hard working persons in my experience. I believe that the WC knew Ms. Robert's was telling the truth regards the DPD car pulling up to and parking in front of her residence and honking twice and then slowly pulling away at the exact same time Lee Harvey Oswald was in his room briefly ( just 50 feet from them!) after bustling in minutes before. And the WC knew what the potential was with this scenario altering the entire truth of the "Oswald as lone gunman" script and narrative they needed to establish to justify their final no conspiracy finding. That is why I think Earlene Robert's story and WC testimony ( as true ) is so incredibly important.
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