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When Jesse Ventura Fired A Mannlicher Carcano
Joe Bauer replied to Benjamin Cole's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Nick, wouldn't it be highly probable that the three warehouse workers just under the 6th floor window would have smelled gun smoke themselves? Their windows were wide open. You can see them actually sticking their heads out those windows seconds after the shots were alleged to have been fired from there. The shooter also literally stuck the barrel of his rifle out of the window according to one or two eyewitnesses directly below on the street. So, the workers just below the supposed shooters perch were what ...10 to 12 feet away from the gun blast? Gun smoke ( 3 shots worth ) would easily be smelled by them imo. Senator Ralph Yarborough riding in LBJ's car "60 feet below" the 6th floor window said he smelled gun smoke. -
KH...thanks for posting the stills above. Respectfully, I disagree on a few of your observation points. Agree on others. I don't see the blowing out flap reaching the face or even JFK's forehead. But, what I do clearly see is what I described earlier. The top of JFK's skull instantly appears grossly misshaped. Uplifted unevenly. JFK's upper skull was shattered in such a destructive way it was obliterated into many pieces though those pieces stayed in place somewhat and only because of their attachment to the scalp covered Dura Matter. I also believe Jackie tried to put the flap piece back onto JFK's skull. I believe I read an account of Jackie Kennedy remarking that her husband's face was not damaged like you describe. In the JFK death stare photos I do see the sub-orbital eye bone slightly injured, which is noticeable by the protrusion of JFK's right eye.
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Similar stances. Roscoe White was first hired by the Dallas PD when? October 1963? He didn't even begin academy training until December, 1963? My main question would be where was two month hire White assigned on 11,22,1963 in his DPD duties? How did two month new pre-academy recruit Rosco White end up on top of the grassy Knoll where Officer Hargas claimed he saw White there within just a couple of minutes after the shooting? Was he assigned Dealey Plaza patrol duties that day? Or, was he back at the DPD building when the shooting occurred and ran there in that short time? There were 100 other locations the DPD assigned their men on the JFK motorcade route that day. White just happened to get Dealey Plaza duty? Hargas knew White by sight? Hargas had been with the DPD for years. He gets to know White well enough to recognize him on sight after maybe just 1 and 1/2 months of White's hiring? Did their duty assignments and locations bring them in contact with each other?
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If this claim by Ricky White is true, one must consider Roscoe White a person of interest to a high level degree. If Roscoe White was a nobody in the entire affair...why in the world would there be 46 pages of information accumulated by the FBI on him. And why in the world would they hold back 26 pages and black out 19 more? Common sense tells you there was something far more intriguing about Roscoe White than nothing.
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My mind has a tendency to want to simplify ( versus over thinking ) when I experience something visual. Especially something that is of such importance that you are forced to contemplate it more than just a casual observation. Every time I review the JFK shooting Zapruder film ( in regular or slow motion time ) my first visual observations are these: The huge right-side skull flap blowout just above JFK's ear and even a little forward. The huge bright pink spray of blood and matter shooting high and back. Seeing the blood glistening matter exposed underneath the flap. And this observation which I seldom see shared: I saw the top of JFK's head being grossly deformed ( uneven lifting ) in the micro-second of the flap blowout. It looked to me that a missile had struck in the back top of the skull and in its trajectory you could see JFK's skull top being shattered, but with the scalp remaining intact. I have always wondered whether a part of JFK's skull obliteration included a separation of bone in the back of the skull that simply fell away in the immediate explosion of destruction. And brain matter falling out from underneath. JFK's skull top was hugely obliterated. The only thing holding the many separated pieces of bone together was the scalp covered Dura Matter. And besides Zapruder's description of what he saw of the JFK head shot ( he was so emotional I think his recollection of it was effected ) we have Bill Newman's description, shared within minutes of the shooting. Newman said on local Dallas Televison that it appeared to him that JFK's ear was blown off. Obviously, he saw the flap blowout the Zapruder film shows. In that split second event his mind could easily been so blinded with horror it didn't process what he saw more detailed than simply a huge bloody spray explosion. It all happened so quick. I might easily have seen it as 10 to 15 foot close Bill Newman did.
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When Jesse Ventura Fired A Mannlicher Carcano
Joe Bauer replied to Benjamin Cole's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
The shared feeling, hearing of the shots being different in sound and intensity was so consensus wide, one can't easily dismiss this fact as meaningless. It would make so much sense to consider that having a loud gun firing shooter placed in a location that was so laughably visible by hundreds right below as a diversion for the real shooters would be such a simple and basic part of any shooter plan. Oswald, or whoever, picked a shooting perch out of a window in a 60 foot high building wall that was so easy to see by everyone in Dealey Plaza and illuminated by the noon time sun so brightly you might have to shade your eyes when looking straight up at it. And sticking your gun out of the window while shooting so people below can actually see the barrel is just another fact that makes the whole scene so ridiculously improbable. Oswald was careful to pick a hidden and dark of night shooting location when popping at Walker. And running after one missed shot? -
Rip Robertson and Tony Izquierdo?
Joe Bauer replied to David Boylan's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
It would be a bombshell moment if a highly reputable facial recognition technology group could make a scientific certainty match hit on one or two of the ominous character photos the JFKA research community has uncovered and debated all these years. I think the Rip Robertson in Dealey Plaza photo might be clear and full faced enough for the experts to make a confirmed match hit. The same with the Bill Shelley look-a-like in the August, 1963 Oswald New Orleans flier passing one. -
Chuck, I live just a couple of miles from Carmel where Mae B. used to broadcast from a small local radio station here back in the late 60's and early 70's. I think it was KRML. She lived a few miles down the Carmel Valley Road as well. I've lived here since 1952. I used to listen to Mae B. all the time on her broadcast here. I think she may have also had a home in Southern California, or relatives that did. Her grandfather started I. Magnin? She had so much information and talked so fast without breaks she kind of exhausted you. But man, did she discover so many things before anyone else. She was talking about Reinhard Gehlen and operation Paper Clip early on. I think her archive papers were for sale not long ago. I think Jim Di Eugenio was interested in them for awhile.
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Kinda disagree that Marcello was a "2nd tier" Mafia leader. I don't see RFK going to the rare extreme measure of forcibly flying Marcello out of the U.S. and air dropping him into the jungles of Guatamala if he ( RFK ) was not convinced Marcello was as dangerously influential and powerful as the other 12 to 15 main Mafia Godfathers. Actually deporting Mafia Godfathers was the most extreme punitive action ( outside of imprisonment ) reserved for the most dangerous and powerful Mafiosi. Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky, etc. Marcello was the top Godfather of the Texas, Louisiana and probably neighboring states fiefdom. That's a HUGE area of organized crime domain. Ruby took trips to New Orleans often enough to suspect he had some dealings with Marcello connected characters. And everyone knows how well acquainted for years Ruby was with Marcello's Dallas under-boss Joe Campisi. You just don't go down to Marcello owned New Orleans and grab one of the hottest strippers in the nation ( JADA ) who was dancing in a Marcello joint named the Sho-Bar without permission from the top. And didn't Ruby also get L.A.'s top gangster Mickey Cohen's main squeeze girlfriend Candy Barr to do her thing at his tacky Carousel Club as well? Some of the hottest strippers in the country and who's services were controlled to some degree by the mob. The Mob of course was also heavy into pornography. I suspect Jada did some work in that area besides stripping after seeing her in some really graphic smut pics. I do feel Garrison was fully aware of Marcello's huge organized crime presence, position and power. I suspect he knew he could be rubbed out quickly if he ventured too far into investigating Marcello too seriously.
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The photo of Geneva showing Jack Ruby her wares proves she knew Ruby to some degree personally. Why in the world did Geneva White have to undergo 26 electro-shock therapy sessions? You'd think her husband might have had some protective concerns for her having her brain electrocuted so often. I've heard that at a certain point...too many electroshock treatments could sometimes equate into an electro-lobotomy.
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Exactly! How did he end up right above the grassy knoll area with officer Hargas just seconds after JFK was shot? Roscoe White hadn't even attended the police academy until the following month? Yet there he is chasing the bad guys along with years experienced Hargas? It took Roger Craig and his Sheriff's department buddies at least a couple of minutes to run from their headquarters to Elm street.
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So, here we have a Dallas motorcycle police officer who was right there in Dealey Plaza when JFK was shot ( and supposedly one of the first DPD officers to run up to the area just above and beyond the Grassy Knoll ) saying he saw and recognized a fellow Dallas police officer Roscow White in uniform right there also ( close enough to him to recognize him ) just above the Grassy Knoll area , again, just seconds after JFK was hit? If Hargas is telling the truth it begs suspicious Roscoe White questions so important it's ridiculous! What is this evidence/photo clerk hire with only a few months active duty on the force doing right in Dealey Plaza during the JFK shooting or at least seconds after the JFK hit? What was White's assignment that day? Was White out patrolling that day? Was he stationed on foot patrol in Dealey Plaza? Or, was he inside the DPD building and simply ran out the building and over to Dealey Plaza seconds after he heard of the shooting? If so, he must have been given permission to leave his duty post by someone, right? I don't think DPD officers were just deciding what to do on their own impulsively at that Earth shaking time. Yes, Dealey Plaza was swarming with both DPD and Dallas Sheriff officers seconds and minutes after the shooting. But covert military background intrigue Roscoe White? Up behind the picket fence area within seconds of the shooting? Well, we have at least one DPD officer on the scene who verifies White's presence above the knoll and the area just beyond, seconds after the shooting. And at least two eyewitnesses saying they saw a uniformed DPD officer in that area just seconds after the shooting ( and before more officers ran up there ) as well. Are Ed Hoffman and the on leave Army soldier taking film footage from the knoll top both totally discredited witnesses? Along with their accounts?
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Monsieur Reeves. You've caught me. Yes, the color of the Fedora Ruby is wearing while leaping to blow Lee Harvey's guts out in the Dallas Police Department building basement just two days after 11/22/1963 is very light colored. As light colored as the Parkland man. Although I do think the bright early afternoon sun at Parkland that day did make things lighter looking in color. For some reason I remembered Ruby wearing a darker one most of time in pictures of him like the other picture you posted of Ruby in that street crowd.