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  1. Worthy of note. Thanks, @Sean Coleman Others have also mentioned that they see more of a similarity between Roscoe's squareish chin and the chin in the backyard photo than Oswald's more pointed chin in other photos. Of course it's well known that among the people who argue the backyard photos were faked that there is an apparent faint line just below the mouth. I've seen discussions where people have remarked about Oswald's odd leaning in the backyard photo. I had never really considered it unusual, but I guess it is distinctive with almost all his weight on the right leg like that. And there's no doubt the stance in the Roscoe beach photo is the same.
  2. As cited in "Admitted Assassin", Pierre Lafitte’s date book for 1963 (see the 2021 book “Coup In Dallas” by H.P. Albarelli) apparently has two entries where the name/word “White” is mentioned. I have “Coup In Dallas”, but I have not been able to confirm this yet. Perhaps @Leslie Sharp might be able to help clarify this?
  3. I agree @Joe Bauer . Transcript 1:27:28 - 1:28:15 Larry Howard: On August the 6th of 1990, the JFK Assassination Information Center in Dallas, Texas had a news conference that was world wide. We had Ricky there to tell his story about his father, Roscoe White. The next day, in the newspapers in Dallas and all over the world, the CIA, the FBI, and the Dallas Police Department said Roscoe White was a nobody. We filed a Freedom of Information Act to find out if this nobody has any FBI documents on him. If he was a nobody, he shouldn't have any. Reporter: But the FBI did have information on Roscoe White; a total of 46 pages. 26 of those were withheld because they were classified. And out of the 20 pages researchers did receive, 19 had been blacked out.
  4. Outstanding post, @Denise Hazelwood . It's rarely been put better. It's worth noting that Aubrey Bell's account matches Jackie Kennedy's description.
  5. I believe the soldier you are referring to is Gordon Arnold. Apparently he's not been definitively identified in any photos of the scene, and because of this some researchers doubt him. I know Beverly Oliver is doubted by many. As far as I know, Ed Hoffman has not been discredited. From what I understand, White did not start attending police academy until December, so it seems hard for me to believe that he would be out on patrol or really doing anything that would involve interaction with the general public before then. But I don't know. Despite his status as a new recruit he unquestionably had access to sensitive evidence in the evidence room, that much seems apparent.
  6. It is interesting, I agree. There's lots to consider. I've started a new thread that will hopefully have information and resources for those folks interested in learning more about Roscoe White and his possible involvement: The Roscoe White Reader
  7. YouTube - “Michael Brownlow interviews B.W. (Bobby) Hargis Part 1 / 2” 2003 Uploaded by gbm hon 2022 Transcript from 7:41 - 8:42 BROWNLOW: Now Hargar, let's clear up one thing real quickly: When you got up to the grassy knoll, up by the little retainer wall, and you looked over… HARGIS: Mmm hmm. BROWNLOW: …and you said you saw some people. Now, as the years have went by Officer Hargis, especially since 1974, a man who I knew - as you, being a police officer. I met him in s… I met him the year he was… died. Some people say he was killed or murdered. I don't know. Roscoe White was a Dallas police officer. You knew him, right? HARGIS: Yes. Uh, huh. BROWNLOW: And you know all these years these books have been written by many researchers, they have claimed there was a man behind the fence they call the Badgeman on the grassy knoll. HARGIS: No. BROWNLOW: And they said he shot the president. And a lot of them say it was Roscoe White. Now, Officer Hargis, being one of the few people to know that Roscoe White was on the grassy knoll - when you saw him, what was he doing? HARGIS: Roscoe White was doing like I was doing, looking for someone who (unclear) the shot. He couldn't tell just like I couldn't… BROWNLOW: That's right. HARGIS: …where the shot was coming from.
  8. Summary: This is a general overview of what I believe are some of the key facts, events, and mysteries surrounding Roscoe White and his possible involvement in the deaths of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. This summary is by no means comprehensive. It is intended to help others who may be interested in the subject get up to speed. There is more information out there to consider and further research is necessary. (The “green book” alone could probably use its own dedicated thread.) - Roscoe Anthony “Rock” White was born in 1935 in Glenwood, Arkansas. In 1956, at age 21, Roscoe worked for 2.5 months at Convair Corporation, a division of General Dynamics. At the time a man named John Mason Lankford was the director of security. Lankford would go on to become a Special Agent for the Office of Naval Intelligence, based in Fort Worth, Texas. Lankford was the person who verified Roscoe's employment with Convair when Roscoe was being considered for employment with the Dallas Police Department. Lankford would also play a security role in Dallas pre and post assassination. Roscoe joined the Marines in February 1957 and served in the same division as Lee Harvey Oswald. In August 1957, Roscoe traveled on the USS Bexar, a ship going from San Diego, California to Yokosuka, Japan. Oswald was on the same ship. Roscoe left the Marines via hardship discharge on December 4, 1962. Roscoe began working full time as an insurance agent in Dallas, Texas on December 7, 1962. On December 12, the Dallas Police Department initiated a background check on Roscoe as a precursor to possible employment. Roscoe’s wife Geneva worked for Jack Ruby for a short time in the fall of 1963, a fact she later attempted to deny. Geneva only admitted it after a picture of her and Ruby was published in Time magazine. Roscoe was hired by the Dallas Police Department on October 7, 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald started working at the Texas School Book Depository on October 18. Ruth Stapleton, Gary Mack, and Jack White (no relation) are among the individuals and researchers that posit a shooter can be seen behind the stockade fence in the Mary Moorman photo. This alleged figure has been described as a hatless police officer, and has been dubbed “Badge Man.” Alleged “Babushka Lady” witness Beverly Oliver claimed that she recognized “Geneva’s husband” on the grassy knoll just after the assassination. Witness Ed Hoffman reported seeing four men moving about behind the grassy knoll fence during the assassination, one of the men being a uniformed police officer. In 2003, former Dallas motorcycle officer Bobby Hargis seemed to confirm that he encountered Roscoe on the grassy knoll moments after Kennedy's assassination. Roscoe attended Dallas Police Academy December 4, 1963 to February 28, 1964, and served as a police officer from February 29, 1964 to October 17, 1965. Reportedly, no one knows what division Roscoe served in during his time as a Dallas police officer. I’ve seen it said that he worked in photography, but to my knowledge this has not been definitively confirmed by any documents or witnesses. In 1966 Roscoe & Geneva sold their home and moved into a new one - a house that just happened to be less than 400 feet away from the home of J.D. Tippit’s widow, Marie. Roscoe died after being burned in a 1971 workplace explosion. According to the FBI, the owner of the business had a $300,000 insurance policy on Roscoe. In the 24 hours before he died, Roscoe reportedly said to Reverend Jack Shaw that he (Roscoe) believed the explosion wasn't an accident. Dick Adair, another employee who was injured non-fatally in the same explosion, also said he believed the explosion wasn't accidental. Roscoe reportedly made several comments that Shaw interpreted as referring to undercover work performed during Roscoe's time in the Dallas police department. “He sure let me know that he was doing something more than normal police business.” Among Roscoe's belongings discovered after his death were a diary in which he claims to have killed Kennedy and Tippit; $200,000 in bearer bonds; and approximately forty photos of JFK related evidence, including a third backyard photo featuring Oswald in an alternate pose. This photo was allegedly previously unknown to investigators even though the pose matched that of a white silhouette “cut out” photo template and a test photo recreation featuring Dallas Police Detective Bobby Brown. Some researchers have since argued that Roscoe might have been the body portion of the backyard photos. In 1990, Roscoe's son Ricky found a sealed canister in the attic of Roscoe’s parents' abandoned home. The canister held multiple items, including an old shorthand textbook/workbook that had seemingly been flipped upside down and converted into a scrapbook (referred to as “the green book”) of some JFK assassination related newspaper photos and hand-written notations. Also discovered in the canister were one of Roscoe's Marine Corps dog tags as well as three cable messages dated 1963 with Roscoe's military serial number and addressed to the name “Mandarin.” According to Roscoe’s son Ricky, the diary identified “Mandarin” as Roscoe's code name. There were discoveries in 1993 near Van Horn, Texas, a west Texas town close to the Mexican border. It seems Roscoe visited Van Horn with his family prior to the JFK assassination in what have been described as “hunting trips.” The items found near Van Horn included high-powered 1940’s era radio equipment connected to a large antenna, and approximately 2,000 empty 6.5mm rifle casings. After filing a Freedom of Information Act request in 1990, Roscoe’s son Ricky learned that the FBI had 46 pages of information on Roscoe. Of the 46 pages, 26 were withheld as classified. Of the 20 pages released, 19 were blacked out. - There are some issues and problems with the Roscoe White story. - The “diary” in which Roscoe allegedly detailed his killing of Kennedy and Tippit has since gone missing (reportedly just after a visit by an FBI agent.) - Roscoe's widow Geneva, despite her proven connection to Jack Ruby, seems to be an unreliable witness. Because of this, I have attempted not to include her claims in this summary. It appears that Geneva was given 26 sessions of electroshock therapy between 1966 and 1971. Geneva was strongly suspected of creating a poorly made fake diary after the alleged first diary went missing. This faked second diary seems to have had the effect of undermining the confidence of the JFK assassination research community regarding the entire Roscoe White story. - The so-called “green book” makeshift scrapbook was initially referred to as a witness elimination book. Researchers now seem to doubt that it was a witness elimination book. - There is an additional story from an alleged witness by the name of Mike Robinson that I think should be noted for comprehensiveness sake: Robinson says that, as a teenager in 1963, he overheard an incriminating bathroom conversation about Oswald and Tippit at the Dallas Police Department in the hours after the assassination. One of the participants in this conversation might have been Roscoe. But it is important to take into consideration the fact that Robinson's memory was recovered via hypnosis.
  9. This is a reference for articles, books, videos and other information about Dallas police officer Roscoe White and his possible involvement in the killings of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. These are as many sources as I was able to find, listed mostly chronologically. There may be other articles, books, ect. out there, and this list may not be comprehensive. I hope to keep it updated. In the next post I'll try to summarize what I believe are some of the key aspects of the Roscoe White story. If you know of any other references regarding Roscoe White, please share them in the comments. - I Was Mandarin… by Gary Cartwright Texasmonthly.com 1990 https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/i-was-mandarin/ - Who Speaks For Roscoe White? By David B. Perry The Third Decade Dperry1942.com 1991 http://dperry1943.com/roscoew.html - YouTube - “JFK: The West Texas Connection 1992 - the Ricky/Roscoe White tale” Channel 2 KMID-TV Midland/Odessa, Texas 1993 Uploaded by Vince Palamara 2021 https://youtu.be/-1ssAkLLapc?si=jqpI8pAta635e-pG - Double Cross: The Explosive Inside Story Of The Mobster Who Controlled America By Sam Giancana and Chuck Giancana Pg 335 1992 - Nightmare In Dallas By Beverly Oliver Pages TBD 1994 - Treachery In Dallas By Walt Brown Pgs 39, 67, 147-149, 189, 191, 193-194 1995 - Oswald Talked: The New Evidence In The JFK Assassination By Ray and Mary La Fontaine Chapter 11 - White Lies Pgs 319-349 1996 - YouTube - “Michael Brownlow interviews B.W. (Bobby) Hargis Part 1 / 2” 2003 Uploaded by gbm hon 2022 https://youtu.be/047rHDKqqxA?si=o7GgyFjxabr3B2fm - Roscoe White - Fact or Fiction? By Steve Gerlach Johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com 2005 http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id748.html - Roscoe White: Shooter of JFK, J.D. Tippit and member of the ‘JFK Witness Elimination Team’ By crappygovernment JFKplayersandwitnesses.wordpress.com 2013 https://jfkplayersandwitnesses.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/roscoe-white-shooter-of-jfk-j-d-tippit-and-member-of-the-jfk-witness-elimination-team/ - Problems in Black and White By C.A.A. Savastano 2015 or 2019 https://www.tpaak.com/problems-in-black-and-white - JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? By Ralph Thomas Amazon Kindle 210 pgs 2018 - Entry on Roscoe White Spartacus-educational.com 1997 Updated 2020 http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwhiteR.htm - The Lone Star Speaks: Untold Texas Stories About The JFK Assassination By Sara Peterson and K.W. Zachry Chapter 69 - Voices For Roscoe White Chapter 70 - More Voices For Roscoe White Pgs 450-462 2020 - Admitted Assassin: Roscoe White And The Murder Of President Kennedy By Ricky White, J. Gary Shaw and Brian K. Edwards 340 pgs 2023
  10. @W. Niederhut makes a good point, imho. The people funding RFK Jr, as well as those pitching him on this forum, are doing so with the hopes that he will be a spoiler in the current election. It's not about revealing the truth of the JFK assassination. Ventura is a good man, but he's retired. Now, let's get real: no serious candidate would consider Aaron Rodgers or Mike Rowe. At least for Ventura, it wouldn't be his entry level job in politics. But Rodgers or Rowe... forget about it.
  11. https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/us-news/dirty-jobs-host-mike-rowe-confirms-rfk-jr-called-him-about-vp-role/ Looks like being VP is a dirty job.
  12. Ed Hoffman says he saw four men moving behind the fence: a yardman, a man in a business suit, a man in a plaid shirt, and a uniformed police officer. In a 2003 interview, Bobby Hargis seemed to confirm that he encountered Roscoe White on the grassy knoll moments after the assassination. Transcript from 7:41 - 8:42 BROWNLOW: Now Hargar, let's clear up one thing real quickly: When you got up to the grassy knoll, up by the little retainer wall, and you looked over… HARGIS: Mmm hmm. BROWNLOW: …and you said you saw some people. Now, as the years have went by Officer Hargis, especially since 1974, a man who I knew - as you, being a police officer. I met him in s… I met him the year he was… died. Some people say he was killed or murdered. I don't know. Roscoe White was a Dallas police officer. You knew him, right? HARGIS: Yes. Uh, huh. BROWNLOW: And you know all these years these books have been written by many researchers, they have claimed there was a man behind the fence they call the Badgeman on the grassy knoll. HARGIS: No. BROWNLOW: And they said he shot the president. And a lot of them say it was Roscoe White. Now, Officer Hargis, being one of the few people to know that Roscoe White was on the grassy knoll - when you saw him, what was he doing? HARGIS: Roscoe White was doing like I was doing, looking for someone who (unclear) the shot. He couldn't tell just like I couldn't… BROWNLOW: That's right. HARGIS: …where the shot was coming from.
  13. I'm also halfway through the book now, and I'm working on an updated version of this thread that I'll try to post soon. Admitted Assassin is a good book that seems honestly and carefully written. The reproduction of the "scrapbook" is quite interesting. I'm not sure this forum has ever discussed the radio equipment and large antenna discovered near Van Horn, a town in far west Texas that Roscoe had visited at least once in 1961 and reportedly took his family there just prior to the JFKA. Admitted Assassin also has a new detail I hadn't heard about Van Horn: along with the radio equipment, it seems approximately 2,000 empty rifle casings measuring 6.5mm were also found. Admitted Assassin also seems to reveal for the first time a connection between Roscoe White and the Fort Worth based Special Agent for the Office of Naval Intelligence, John Mason Lankford. Lankford reportedly took part in security both before and after JFK's assassination.
  14. Oswald in the depository with a rifle? More like Rodgers in the backfield with the shotgun!
  15. Thanks for posting this here @Bill Simpich . You do good work, and I appreciate it. - I would suggest calling Into The Nightmare a "2013 book" instead of a "new book." - There's a newspaper article "Was Oswald In The Window" by Earl Golz, Dallas Morning News, November 26, 1978, where Carolyn Johnston (Carolyn Arnold in 1963) indicates to Golz that she saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom at 12:25 pm as she was on her way out of the building to watch the motorcade. In the article, she challenges several aspects of the FBI's report on her interview. - I would also suggest maybe being a little clearer on the three wallets, such as also writing where they were found, along with description of the color and the evidence numbers. I'm not sure if you mentioned that the wallet found at the Paine residence had $170 in it. (I personally find that significant because it accentuates the improbability that a guilty lone assassin with that much money wouldn't somehow be able to facilitate a successful escape. This is the same person who, according to the official story, recently made it to Mexico and back using only public transportation.) - I don't think you mentioned that the rifle was initially misidentified. I personally find it completely unbelievable that the first investigators misidentified the rifle on the sixth floor as a 7.65 Mauser. It appears that the words and numbers "MADE ITALY" and "CAL 6.5" were etched into the metal on the Mannlicher Carcano, as testified to by attorney Mark Lane. How could it be possibly ever be misidentified as a 7.65 Mauser by anyone with the ability to read, especially if Mausers of the era also had identifying information etched onto them?
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