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  1. Well, it looks like Kevin Hofeling and his newfound MAGA bro, Ben Cole, have succeeded in completely hijacking our discussion on this thread about Paul Manafort and Russiagate. MAGA spamming works! How did we get from discussing Trump and Paul Manafort's desperate efforts to conceal their 2016 campaign contacts with GRU asset Konstantin Kilimnik to focusing on Hillary Clinton and Biden? I'm still waiting for Kevin to explain why Manafort was willing to tamper with witnesses and commit perjury to conceal his 2016 involvement with the Kremlin. And, incidentally, the classified Manafort files are a hot topic this week! Ron Wyden Calls On Biden To Declassify Paul Manafort Report | HuffPost Latest News
  2. Yes, Matt, the thread has focused on some important historical evidence about Trump, Paul Manafort, and Russia, but I notice that Kevin, Ben, and Roger have all repeatedly ignored direct questions about the Russiagate and Manafort evidence, while flooding the zone with tangential MAGA spam. It's beginning to resemble the MAGA devolution of the old 56 Years thread. Incidentally, one tell-tale sign that a person is a closet MAGAt is the rabid misogyny. MAGAts respond to powerful women-- Hillary, Pelosi, Liz Cheney, et.al.-- the way that demons respond to the Cross. They start hissing, frothing at the mouth, and posting derogatory memes.
  3. Incidentally, while we're all waiting for Kevin Hofeling to explain Paul Manafort's perjury and witness tampering during the Mueller investigation, Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) has just asked the Feds to release the classified files on Paul Manafort and Russiagate. Final Signed Wyden Letter to DNI on 2016 Election Report Declassification (senate.gov)
  4. That hate-filled condo was probably staked out by some of the Trump cult members who have been threatening DA Fani Willis and Judge McAfee in Trump's Fulton County election fraud case. I read that McAfee deferred his ruling on Willis for a week because he and his family were receiving threats, and required adequate security!
  5. Kevin, Please spare us the false humility and pseudo-erudition. Then study the Senate Intelligence Report on Russiagate and the Mueller Report. The Senate Report has multiple references to GRU asset, Konstantin Kilkmnik. You should also read Catherine Belton's history of Putin's oligarchy, (and his oligarchs' multi-decade involvement with Trump) entitled, Putin's People. The allegedly, "ridiculous claims," I have made about Paul Manafort's work for the Kremlin, with his GRU sidekick, Konstantin Kilkmnik, are based, partly, on those investigations. And, yes, Manafort did, in fact, work for the Kremlin as a foreign lobbyist, and in Ukraine as a Yanukovych political operative, long before he and Gates became Trump's 2016 Campaign Managers. Perhaps you can explain to the forum, in your own words, without cluttering the board with more Russiagate-denial spam, why Paul Manafort was so determined to lie to Mueller's investigators about his 2016 liaisons with Kilimnik. (Manafort would have died in prison for his crimes, including perjury, if Trump hadn't pardoned him.) Also, explain why Trump (via Manafort) obstructed justice by floating a pardon to Gates, before Manafort was, ultimately, placed in solitary confinement to prevent witness tampering. What were Trump and Manafort so desperate to conceal from Mueller? I'll look forward to hearing your explanations of Manafort's perjury and obstruction of justice, in your own words. (No YouTube videos or cut-and-pastes, por favor!)
  6. Hey, some rare good news today... Election Year Audience Erosion Continues for Right Wing Websites — TheRighting: Alerting mainstream audiences about headlines from the right Right Wing Election Year Traffic Erosion Continues; MSM Falters Too
  7. Huh, Cory? The "whole fake Russia helped Trump news?" What planet have you been living on, Uranus? 🤥 Senate Intel report confirms Russia aimed to help Trump in 2016 - POLITICO
  8. I just read Kevin Drum's analysis of this Truth Social stock scam. Quite a MAGA doozy. The stock traded initially today at 100 times its actual value. Why is Truth Social trading at 100 times its actual value? – Kevin Drum (jabberwocking.com)
  9. Yeah, Kirk. Ultimately, Trump might make more money selling Trump sneakers and Trump Bibles than Truth Social stock. He has a history of hyping and dumping stocks-- like Eastern Airlines-- as I recall. The Last Time a Trump Company Went Public March 23, 2024 at 11:04 am EDT By Taegan Goddard “Donald Trump’s social media company could go public as soon as next week, paving the way for a potentially huge windfall for a former president who raked in tens of millions of dollars the last time one of his companies was listed on a stock exchange,” NBC News reports. “That previous, decades-ago experience, however, did not end well for the company or its investors. While a 2016 Washington Post review found that Trump made over $44 million, the company — Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts — lost more than $1 billion and ended up in bankruptcy.”
  10. Nothing new here. I posted articles about CIA editing of Wikipedia many years ago. Nothing new here, Ben. I first posted some documents about CIA editing of Wikipedia (on another forum) almost 15 years ago. And I first observed Russian FSB editing of Wikipedia entries (including my own posts) in about 2008 or 2009. Meanwhile, it's apparent that some people on this thread don't really want to discuss the facts about Putin's ops with Trump and the GOP. Assange and Wikileaks are merely one small part of that puzzle.
  11. Did Stable Genius have another transient ischemic attack while posting on Truth Social today? 😬
  12. The battle for the Kennedy name heats up https://www.axios.com/2024/03/26/rfk-jr-family-feud-biden-polls March 26, 2024
  13. The claim that Putin wanted Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2017, instead of his compromised Kremlin asset, Donald Trump, is simply risible. It reminds me of Putin's recent comment about preferring Biden to Trump, on the grounds that Biden is more "predictable." How ridiculous! Anyone who has carefully studied the history of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin during the past 30 years surely knows that there is a vast array of circumstantial evidence implicating Donald Trump as a Kremlin asset. Also, entrapping and recruiting compromised assets is one of Putin's areas of expertise, based on his experience as a KGB Lt. Col. in Dresden prior to the collapse f the Soviet Union in 1991. One former KGB agent opined a few years ago that the Kremlin had targeted and cultivated Trump as a Russian asset for years. The circumstantial evidence is considerable. First of all, we know that Putin actively interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to put Trump in the White House, as Felix Sater announced in 2015. And we know that members of Trump's 2016 campaign had numerous contacts with Kremlin assets before and after the election, which they tried to conceal-- before and during the Mueller investigation. The most important Trump/Russian contacts in 2016, IMO, were Paul Manafort's liaisons with his GRU associate Konstantin Kilimnik. Manafort was so determined to conceal his 2016 contacts with Kilimnik from Mueller that he committed perjury, even after accepting a plea deal to cooperate with Mueller's investigation. Other 2016 Trump campaign contacts with Russian assets included the Trump Tower meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, (to discuss dirt on Hillary Clinton) Roger Stone's contacts with Assange, (also about Clinton dirt) and Michael Flynn's December 2016 phone calls with Kisylak (about the 2016 sanctions imposed against Russia for interfering in the U.S. election.) Secondly, as POTUS, Trump openly insulted and alienated our NATO allies, while shamelessly kowtowing to Putin-- most infamously during Trump's Helsinki press conference with Putin, where he publicly denied that Putin had interfered in our 2016 U.S. election. At the time, even conservative columnist, George F. Will, declared that Trump was, obviously, a traitor. John LeCarre declared that Putin "had Trump by the short hairs." Moving along... Trump ended Operation Timber Sycamore in the summer of 2017--for better or worse-- effectively surrendering military control of Syria to Putin and the Russian military. Not necessarily a bad thing, ethically, but also possible circumstantial evidence of Trump's status as a Russian asset. More recently, when Putin illegally invaded Ukraine two years ago, and began bombing non-combatant civilians, Trump immediately declared that Putin was a "genius." Most people in Europe and the U.S. were aghast. In 2024, Trump has served Putin by blocking U.S. military aid to Ukraine, through his proxy, MAGA Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House.
  14. Sandy, I have been tracking a wide array of Russian Federation news on the internet during the past 20 years-- long before the Trump/Russia-gate era-- mainly because of my involvement in the ROCOR, and Putin's takeover of the ROCOR in 2007. I used to read ITASS and Russia Today fairly regularly, before RT disappeared in the Western media after Putin's invasion of Ukraine two years ago. I still read Global Research and Consortium News, because they have long been sources of information about U.S. military and intelligence ops that we don't hear about in the U.S. mainstream media. In contrast to Global Research, RT, and Consortium News, the MAGA media (Fox News, et.al.) only started reporting news about the U.S. "Deep State" recently in history. And the MAGA focus has centered partly on trying to convince people that Trump is a victim of the Deep State. As for your question, two main areas where left-leaning news sites have pushed Kremlin propaganda are; 1) the denial of Russia-gate, ( i.e., Trump's involvement with Russia, and Putin's strategic interference in the 2016 U.S. election) and 2) blaming the U.S. and NATO for Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine, while denying or ignoring Putin's war crimes. This Russia-gate denial has been obvious on Consortium News, which puzzled me for a while, because Consortium has published a lot of great stuff over the years-- including some articles by James DiEugenio. Oliver Stone doesn't run a news site, but his public statements about Putin, Trump, and Ukraine have mirrored Kremlin propaganda from the left-leaning media.
  15. The World Socialist Web Site, Global Research, and Consortium News.
  16. Steve, Why am I not surprised by this latest concealed-carry news from Louisiana? For years, Louisiana has had the highest homicide rate in the U.S., but it's now a close second to neighboring Mississippi. Murder Rate By State 2024 (datapandas.org)
  17. Roger, I posted a series of questions for you (above) on this very thread, to help you get in touch with the facts about Russiagate. It was never a " hoax," as Trump and his MAGA media propagandists repeatedly told people. But instead of answering my questions, and engaging in an honest debate, you responded with a false, ad hominem slur-- referring to the questions as "rancid bs." Can you answer them? Have you read the Mueller Report and the U.S. Senate Intel Report on Kremlin interference in our 2016 election? Have you read Catherine Belton's book, Putin's People, or any of Russ Baker's articles (since 2016) about Trump's history with the Russian mafia and Putin's oligarchs?
  18. He had been forced to repeatedly declare bankruptcy — sticking American banks for over a billion dollars in unpaid bills — after draining his businesses of free cash and stashing the money in places he hoped nobody would ever find. No American bank would touch him, and property developers in New York were waiting for his entire little empire to collapse. Instead, a desperate Trump reached out to foreign dictators and mobsters, who were more than happy to supply funds to an influential New York businessman…for a price to be paid in the future. He sold over $100 million worth of condos to more than sixty Russian citizens during that era, and partnered with professional criminals and money launderers to raise money for Trump properties in Azerbaijan and Panama. According to Trump himself, he sold $40 to $50 million worth of apartments to the Saudis. He then partnered with a former high Soviet official, Tevfik Arif, and a Russian businessman, Felix Sater, who had been found guilty of running a “huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia.” As the founders of Fusion GPS wrote for The New York Times in 2018: Thus, when it came time to run for president, Trump had to pay the price. He and the people around him were inundated with offers of “help” from Russians, most associated directly with Putin or the Russian mafia. Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had been paid millions by Putin’s oligarchs and ran Trump’s campaign for free. Reporters found over a dozen connections between Russia and the Trump campaign, and during the 2016 campaign Trump was secretly negotiating a deal to open a Trump tower in Moscow. Trump’s son and his lawyer met with Putin’s agents in Trump Tower. Putin’s personal xxxxx army, the Internet Research Agency (IRA) based out of St. Petersburg but operating worldwide, began a major campaign in 2016 to get Trump elected president. Manafort fed Russian intelligence raw data from internal Republican polling that identified a few hundred thousand individuals in a half-dozen or so swing states the GOP thought could be persuaded to vote for Trump (or against Hillary), and the IRA immediately went to work, reaching out to them via mostly Facebook. Mueller’s report and multiple journalistic investigations have noted that the most common message out of Russia then was directed at Democratic-leaning voters and was, essentially, “both parties are the same so it’s a waste of time to vote.” A report from Texas-based cybersecurity company New Knowledge, working with researchers at Columbia University, concluded, as reported by The New York Times: And it appears to have worked in suppressing the potential Black Democratic vote in swing states. A 2018 bipartisan Senate report found the Russian efforts consequential, as the BBC headline on that analysis summarizes: The news story summarizes: Between the information compiled by Oxford Analytica and the details passed along from the GOP to Prigozhin via Manafort, a mere margin of 43,000 votes across a handful of swing states —all microtargeted by Russia — handed the electoral college to Trump, even though he lost the nationwide vote to Hillary Clinton by almost 3 million ballots. So now Trump has succeeded in making the entire GOP a party to his long-term debt to Putin and his oligarchs. “Moscow Mike” Johnson has blocked any aid to Ukraine for over a year; the last congressional appropriation for foreign aid was passed in 2022, when Nancy Pelosi ran the House. Meanwhile, under Trump’s and Putin’s direction, Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to damage the people of the United States. They believe it will help them in the 2024 election if they can ruin the U.S. economy while convincing American voters that our system of government is so corrupt (“deep state”) that we should consider replacing democracy with an autocratic strongman form of government like Putin’s Russia. Tucker Carlson is even suggesting that Russia is a better place to live than the US. They revel in pitting racial, religious, and gender groups against each other while embracing a form of fascism that pretends to be grounded in Christianity, all while welcoming Putin’s social media trolls who are promoting these divisions. Republican-aligned think tanks are working on Project 2025, a naked attempt to consolidate power in the White House to support a strongman president who can override the will of the people, privatize Social Security and Medicare, shut down our public school system, fully criminalize abortion and homosexuality (Sam Alito called for something like that this week), and abandon our democratic allies in favor of a realignment with Russia, China, and North Korea. Trump got us here by openly playing to the fears and prejudices of white people who are freaked out by the rapid post-1964 “browning” of America. Putin jumped in to help amplify the message a thousandfold with his social media trolls, who are posting thousands of times a day as you read these words. Now that Putin largely controls the GOP, today’s question is how far Republicans are willing to go in their campaign to bring the USA to her knees on behalf of Putin and Trump. When Congress comes back into session next week, will they take up Ukraine aid? Will they continue their opposition to comprehensive immigration and border reform? Will they keep pushing to privatize Social Security with their new “commission”? Will they work as hard to kneecap Taiwan on behalf of President Xi as they have Ukraine on behalf of Putin? Will they continue to quote Russian Intelligence propaganda in their effort to smear President Biden? Instead of just 7 Republicans going to Moscow to “celebrate” the Fourth of July, will the entire party move their event to that city like the NRA did? Or to Budapest, like CPAC did? Or will the GOP suddenly start listening to the rational voices left in their party, the Mitt Romneys and Liz Cheneys who still believe in democracy (even if they want to gut the social safety net and turn loose the polluters)? I'm re-posting this for Roger Odisio. Roger is, apparently still unaware of the pervasive propaganda in the right wing U.S. media (Fox News, NY Post, Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, Breitbart, Townhall.com, Gateway Pundit, et.al.) denying Trump's multi-decade involvement with Russia. What many Americans still don't know is that Russian propagandists have also been actively involved in some left-wing (non-MAGA) media outlets.
  19. Interesting stuff, Ron. I need to read Albarelli's book. Is it entitled, A Terrible Mistake? I read Stephen Kinzer's, Poisoner-in-Chief, but I don't recall any references to Nixon and his associates being given LSD by Gottlieb. Or Krulak and McNamara. I've also been intending to re-read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, which I read almost 50 years ago. I listened once to an interesting History of Rock 'n Roll interview of Jerry Garcia, where Garcia talked about the early days of the Grateful Dead, and his experiences at Kesey's Acid Test parties in the Bay area. As for the English occultist, Aleister Crowley, there has been a scurrilous rumor circulating on the internet for the past 20 years that Crowley was Barbara Bush's biological father, and the grandfather of George W. Bush. If true, Dubya Bush is an erstwhile spawn of Satan-- an appealing concept for liberal partisans... 😂 Legend has it that Barbara Bush's mother, Pauline Pierce, was involved in some sort of occult sex/magic ritual with Crowley, in Paris in the 1920s, nine months before Barbara Pierce was born. This rumor is probably unworthy of an Education Forum reference, but it is somewhat titillating. According to the Internet, Aleister Crowley Was George W. Bush's Grandfather (gizmodo.com)
  20. LOL. Speaking of "keeping an open mind," Ben, are you open to acknowledging that most of the key witnesses in the Congressional J6 investigation were Republicans-- including staff and close associates of Donald Trump? Some, like Michael Flynn, repeatedly pled the 5th and refused to answer questions about Trump's J6 plot -- but many gave damning firsthand testimony about events that occurred prior to and during Trump's mob attack on the Congress. Try to open your mind, and keep it open, instead of blocking out all of the damning evidence about the efforts of Trump and his associates to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
  21. Well, so much for Hartmann's false flag hypothesis. It sounds like the four guys who massacred people in Moscow are Muslims from Tajikistan. Moscow attack: Russian court charges four men with act of terrorism (bbc.com)
  22. Do I need to point out the irony in Ben Cole's selective parsing of the January 6th evidence? Ben refused to listen to the damning Congressional J6 testimony of Trump's own staff and associates. Then, later, he focused obsessively on the selective MAGA media footage of Chansley and the "peaceful" patriots who attacked the Capitol. It's a classic example of starting with a conclusion, then selecting evidence to support the conclusion-- while assiduously ignoring the evidence that debunks it.
  23. Lighten up, Kevin. It's a metaphorical joke. Humor isn't a violation of EF rules. P.S. I thought your "W. Neandertall" joke was funny. In fact, my siblings report a high percentage of Neanderthal DNA in our family, and I have often joked with my daughter than I'm one of the last surviving Neanderthals.
  24. PROMOTING A CULTURE WAR: HOW PUTIN USED TRUMP TO SEIZE ALMOST TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY Posted by Thom Hartmann | Mar 1, 2024 There is little doubt that Russian President Vladimir Putin has succeeded in achieving near-total control over the Republican Party. They are gutting aid to Ukraine (and have been for over a year), working to kneecap our economy, whipping up hatred among Americans against each other, promoting civil war, and openly embracing replacing American democracy with authoritarian autocracy. Putin has declared war on queer people, proclaimed Russia a “Christian nation,” and shut down all the media he called “fake news.” Check, check, check. Most recently, the three-year “Biden bribery” hysteria Republicans in the House have been running — including thousands of hits on Fox “News” and all over rightwing hate radio — turns out to have been a Russian intelligence operation originally designed to help Trump win the 2020 election. The Russian spy who had been feeding this phony info to Jordan and James Comer is now in jail. Over the past two years, as America was using Russia’s terrorist attacks on Ukraine to degrade the power and influence of Russia’s military, Putin was using social media, Republican politicians, and rightwing American commentators to get Republican politicians on his side and thus kill off U.S. aid to Ukraine. The war in Gaza is making it even easier, with Putin-aligned politicians like Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) tweeting: “Any funding for Ukraine should be redirected to Israel immediately.” Russia’s battlefield, in other words, has now shifted from Ukraine to the U.S. political system and our homes via radio, TV, and the internet, all in the hopes of ending U.S. aid to the democracy they have brutally attacked. And the momentum is following that shift: Russia is close to having the upper hand in Ukraine because of Putin’s ability — via Trump and Johnson — to get Republican politicians to mouth his talking points and propaganda. Now, with Speaker “Moscow Mike” Johnson shutting down the House of Representatives so nobody can offer a discharge petition that would force a vote on Ukraine aid (and aid for Palestinian refugees, Taiwan, and our southern border), it is becoming more and more clear that Vladimir Putin is running the Republican party via his well-paid stooge, Donald Trump. I say “well paid” because Donald Trump would have been reduced to homelessness in the early 1990s if it were not for Russian money, as both of his sons have said at different times. He had burned through all of his father’s estate, even stealing a large part of it from his siblings. He’d lost or hidden almost two billion dollars running a casino. As Michael Hirsch noted for Foreign Policy magazine: He had been forced to repeatedly declare bankruptcy — sticking American banks for over a billion dollars in unpaid bills — after draining his businesses of free cash and stashing the money in places he hoped nobody would ever find. No American bank would touch him, and property developers in New York were waiting for his entire little empire to collapse. Instead, a desperate Trump reached out to foreign dictators and mobsters, who were more than happy to supply funds to an influential New York businessman…for a price to be paid in the future. He sold over $100 million worth of condos to more than sixty Russian citizens during that era, and partnered with professional criminals and money launderers to raise money for Trump properties in Azerbaijan and Panama. According to Trump himself, he sold $40 to $50 million worth of apartments to the Saudis. He then partnered with a former high Soviet official, Tevfik Arif, and a Russian businessman, Felix Sater, who had been found guilty of running a “huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia.” As the founders of Fusion GPS wrote for The New York Times in 2018: Thus, when it came time to run for president, Trump had to pay the price. He and the people around him were inundated with offers of “help” from Russians, most associated directly with Putin or the Russian mafia. Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had been paid millions by Putin’s oligarchs and ran Trump’s campaign for free. Reporters found over a dozen connections between Russia and the Trump campaign, and during the 2016 campaign Trump was secretly negotiating a deal to open a Trump tower in Moscow. Trump’s son and his lawyer met with Putin’s agents in Trump Tower. Putin’s personal xxxxx army, the Internet Research Agency (IRA) based out of St. Petersburg but operating worldwide, began a major campaign in 2016 to get Trump elected president. Manafort fed Russian intelligence raw data from internal Republican polling that identified a few hundred thousand individuals in a half-dozen or so swing states the GOP thought could be persuaded to vote for Trump (or against Hillary), and the IRA immediately went to work, reaching out to them via mostly Facebook. Mueller’s report and multiple journalistic investigations have noted that the most common message out of Russia then was directed at Democratic-leaning voters and was, essentially, “both parties are the same so it’s a waste of time to vote.” A report from Texas-based cybersecurity company New Knowledge, working with researchers at Columbia University, concluded, as reported by The New York Times: And it appears to have worked in suppressing the potential Black Democratic vote in swing states. A 2018 bipartisan Senate report found the Russian efforts consequential, as the BBC headline on that analysis summarizes: The news story summarizes: Between the information compiled by Oxford Analytica and the details passed along from the GOP to Prigozhin via Manafort, a mere margin of 43,000 votes across a handful of swing states —all microtargeted by Russia — handed the electoral college to Trump, even though he lost the nationwide vote to Hillary Clinton by almost 3 million ballots. So now Trump has succeeded in making the entire GOP a party to his long-term debt to Putin and his oligarchs. “Moscow Mike” Johnson has blocked any aid to Ukraine for over a year; the last congressional appropriation for foreign aid was passed in 2022, when Nancy Pelosi ran the House. Meanwhile, under Trump’s and Putin’s direction, Republicans in Congress are doing everything they can to damage the people of the United States. They believe it will help them in the 2024 election if they can ruin the U.S. economy while convincing American voters that our system of government is so corrupt (“deep state”) that we should consider replacing democracy with an autocratic strongman form of government like Putin’s Russia. Tucker Carlson is even suggesting that Russia is a better place to live than the US. They revel in pitting racial, religious, and gender groups against each other while embracing a form of fascism that pretends to be grounded in Christianity, all while welcoming Putin’s social media trolls who are promoting these divisions. Republican-aligned think tanks are working on Project 2025, a naked attempt to consolidate power in the White House to support a strongman president who can override the will of the people, privatize Social Security and Medicare, shut down our public school system, fully criminalize abortion and homosexuality (Sam Alito called for something like that this week), and abandon our democratic allies in favor of a realignment with Russia, China, and North Korea. Trump got us here by openly playing to the fears and prejudices of white people who are freaked out by the rapid post-1964 “browning” of America. Putin jumped in to help amplify the message a thousandfold with his social media trolls, who are posting thousands of times a day as you read these words. Now that Putin largely controls the GOP, today’s question is how far Republicans are willing to go in their campaign to bring the USA to her knees on behalf of Putin and Trump. When Congress comes back into session next week, will they take up Ukraine aid? Will they continue their opposition to comprehensive immigration and border reform? Will they keep pushing to privatize Social Security with their new “commission”? Will they work as hard to kneecap Taiwan on behalf of President Xi as they have Ukraine on behalf of Putin? Will they continue to quote Russian Intelligence propaganda in their effort to smear President Biden? Instead of just 7 Republicans going to Moscow to “celebrate” the Fourth of July, will the entire party move their event to that city like the NRA did? Or to Budapest, like CPAC did? Or will the GOP suddenly start listening to the rational voices left in their party, the Mitt Romneys and Liz Cheneys who still believe in democracy (even if they want to gut the social safety net and turn loose the polluters)?
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