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So, Robert, perhaps the JFK assassination is like the proverbial elephant being described by a group of blind men. One man grasps the leg, and declares that the elephant is like a tree. Another grasps the trunk, and declares that the creature is like a python. A third feels the elephant's side, and declares that it is like a wall. And they are all correct.

Paul, Have you ever read Prouty's writings about CIA special ops, Dulles's "secret team," Vietnam, and the JFK assassination? Prouty explained, from an insider's perspective, the back story of the McNamara/Taylor Report, NSAM 263, and the reversal of JFK's Vietnam policy following the JFK assassination. He also described his suspicions about the faulty security arrangements in Dealey Plaza, and the apparent international mainstream media psy op immediately labeling Oswald as a lone assassin, within hours of the event.

And LBJ? The question of LBJ's putative involvement in the JFK assassination scheme has often reared its ugly head on this forum. Phillip Nelson and Robert Morrow have been two major forum proponents of the LBJ Did It school. I have the highest regard for James DiEugenio's encyclopedic knowledge of the JFK assassination, and I have noticed that JD has been generally reluctant to implicate LBJ in the assassination plot. So, I have been tempted to start a poll about Education Forum members' opinions regarding LBJ's putative involvement in the plot. Was LBJ a "mastermind" of the plot? Was he otherwise complicit? Was he a mere passive bystander? We all know that LBJ was a sociopath who signed off on the reversal of NSAM 263 shortly after JFK's murder, then appointed Allen Dulles to the Warren Commission. He was also close to J. Edgar Hoover, who promptly stifled a bona fide investigation of JFK's murder.

Well, shucks. I was interested in Robert's list, and had a number of questions. Foremost was a request for more information about his sources. I was also surprised to see Col. L. Fletcher Prouty on Robert's list of participants in the mainstream media cover up of the JFK assassination op. My impression, for several years, has been quite the opposite-- i.e., that Prouty was a rare Deep State insider who tried to make the public aware that JFK had been murdered by a Deep State conspiracy involving the CIA and others at the highest levels of the U.S. government and media.

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Yeah, Cliff, I wonder if MAGA Ben is even aware that, back in the Smedley Butler days, Butler famously protected America's greatest Democratic progressive President from a right wing Republican coup attempt. That coup attempt was allegedly organized by right wing Republican billionaires, including the DuPonts and Prescott Bush. For that matter, does MAGA Ben know which party, and POTUS, passed a massive tax cut for corporations and billionaires in December of 2017? One thing I'll say for Ben is that he does try to keep us up to date on the latest propaganda tropes from the MAGA-verse. (I hear about Ben's MAGA tropes on a sports forum with a large contingent of Trumpsters.) For example, Townhall.com and a few other MAGA propaganda sites have been attacking BlackRock this week for their ghastly, woke ESG (Environmental-Social-Governance) initiatives, which have, allegedly reduced corporate profits! And, right on cue, MAGA Ben updated us on this dastardly Democratic, woke BlackRock nonsense.

Kirk, I have studied the history of genocide for years. UCLA Professor Jared Diamond has approached the subject from the perspective of the biological history of Homo Sapiens and our closest biological relatives-- chimpanzees. Both Homo Sapiens and chimps are inherently tribal and genocidal. (See The Third Chimpanzee and Guns, Germs, and Steel.) Diamond has listed Stalin's Soviet genocide as the worst in history-- at 20 million. The Nazi Holocaust is second-- at 6 million. The Khmer Rouge killed 2 million Cambodians. All three were perpetrated by atheistic governments that, essentially, declared, "God is dead." Dostoevsky anticipated Nietzsche by asking, (In the Brothers Karamazov) "If God is dead, will everything become lawful?" Put differently, would the Soviet and Nazi genocides have happened if God had lived, so to speak? No doubt, some religions have played a role in wars throughout history, but is there a bona fide sense in which Christianity-- in its unadulterated, Orthodox form-- Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism have ameliorated our inherently genocidal tendencies? Let's recall that the pagan Romans killed people for sport in their Ludi, and Holy Russia eschewed capital punishment. (The Tsars sent convicted criminals, like Lenin and Stalin, to Siberian dachas, to repent.) I raise these questions because most modern intellectuals don't realize that the worst genocides in history have been committed by atheists. As for church attendance, Evangelical Protestantism has largely become unrecognizable to the original Orthodox Church. Where is the love for humanity? Non-violence? Charity? Forbearance? Evangelical Trumpsters are not Christians, as I understand the term. In any case, the modern world has become, essentially, post-Christian.

Exactly.

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Hmmm... Not a single comment about the vast array of evidence debunking small-scale conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination op? This is somewhat surprising, since many people here on the Education Forum are quite knowledgeable about the Secret Service, the Bethesda autopsy fraud, the purchase and manipulation of the Zapruder film, the aborting of the FBI investigation, the history of the Warren Commission cover up, and the 60-year mainstream media psy op promoting the false Warren Commission narrative. Does anyone believe that David Atlee Phillips and the Cubans managed these multi-year Federal agency ops?

Most read article at WaPo this morning, which confirms some of our impressions of RFK, Jr.'s character flaws. How Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s hiring of a bird egg smuggler threw Riverkeeper into turmoil - The Washington Post

The problem with small-scale JFKA conspiracy theory scenarios-- involving a few actors-- is that they fail to account for the evident, higher-level aspects of the JFK assassination and cover up, involving multiple Federal (and local) agencies and the U.S. mainstream media moguls-- e.g., Henry Luce, C.D. Jackson, William S. Paley, et.al. Technical aspects of the shooting are trees. The larger black op and 60-year M$M psy op is the forest. These issues have been raised in previous Education Forum discussions about "small-scale" conspiracy hypotheses. Some of them are questions that Col. L. Fletcher Prouty raised in his musings about the JFK assassination. For example, 1) Who controlled and orchestrated the "Secret Service" agents in Dealey Plaza and at Parkland Hospital-- i.e., the mysterious men who confiscated film, intimidated witnesses, and seized JFK's corpse from the coroner at Parkland? 2) Who controlled the motorcade route and arranged for Oswald's job at the TSBD? 2) Who had the authority (and foresight) to destroy evidence-- e.g., scrubbing the limo, getting rid of the Mauser, etc.? 3) Who had the authority to orchestrate the sham autopsy at Bethesda? (Certainly not David Atlee Phillips!) 4) Who had the authority to orchestrate the FBI's aborting of an investigation? 5) Who had the authority to appoint Allen Dulles and the Warren Commission to cover up the crime? 6) Who had the authority to orchestrate the 60-year cover up psy op in the U.S. mainstream media? 7) Who had the authority to orchestrate the systematic murders of numerous key witnesses? If we look at the forest-- beyond the assassination mechanics in Dealey Plaza-- it's obvious that the JFK assassination conspiracy and multi-decade media cover up involved a coalition of people at the very highest levels of U.S. (and local) governance, in addition to corporate media moguls-- including the White House, (LBJ) the CIA, the U.S. military, (e.g., Bethesda) the FBI, and critical assets in Dallas (Earl Cabell, the DPD, et.al.) So, I agree with Peter Dale Scott's recently posted commentaries about a broad "coalition" being involved in the assassination conspiracy and cover up. Prouty believed as much. Prouty's own hypothesis was that technical aspects of the hit team probably involved the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans who were re-directed from Castro assassination ops to Dealey Plaza-- but that there was evident high-level involvement in the assassination op and multi-decade cover up.

The problem with these small-scale JFKA conspiracy theory scenarios is that they fail to account for the evident, higher-level aspects of the assassination and cover up, involving multiple Federal (and local) agencies and the U.S. mainstream media moguls-- e.g., Henry Luce, C.D. Jackson, William S. Paley, et.al. Technical aspects of the shooting are trees. The larger black op and 60-year M$M psy op is the forest. These issues have been raised in previous Education Forum discussions about "small-scale" conspiracy hypotheses. Some of them are questions that Col. L. Fletcher Prouty raised in his musings about the JFK assassination. For example, 1) Who controlled and orchestrated the "Secret Service" agents in Dealey Plaza and at Parkland Hospital-- i.e., the mysterious men who confiscated film, intimidated witnesses, and seized JFK's corpse from the coroner at Parkland? 2) Who controlled the motorcade route and arranged for Oswald's job at the TSBD? 2) Who had the authority (and foresight) to destroy evidence-- e.g., scrubbing the limo, getting rid of the Mauser, etc.? 3) Who had the authority to orchestrate the sham autopsy at Bethesda? (Certainly not David Atlee Phillips!) 4) Who had the authority to orchestrate the FBI's aborting of an investigation? 5) Who had the authority to appoint Allen Dulles and the Warren Commission to cover up the crime? 6) Who had the authority to orchestrate the 60-year cover up psy op in the U.S. mainstream media? 7) Who had the authority to orchestrate the systematic murders of numerous key witnesses? If we look at the forest-- beyond the assassination mechanics in Dealey Plaza-- it's obvious that the JFK assassination conspiracy and multi-decade media cover up involved a coalition of people at the very highest levels of U.S. (and local) governance, in addition to corporate media moguls-- including the White House, (LBJ) the CIA, the U.S. military, (e.g., Bethesda) the FBI, and critical assets in Dallas (Earl Cabell, the DPD, et.al.) So, I agree with Peter Dale Scott's recently posted commentaries about a broad "coalition" being involved in the assassination conspiracy and cover up. Prouty believed as much. Prouty's own hypothesis was that technical aspects of the hit team probably involved the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans who were re-directed from Castro assassination ops to Dealey Plaza-- but that there was evident high-level involvement in the assassination op and multi-decade cover up.

Sandy, If you and Kirk are interested in the subject, you should study the Talmud-- the collected wisdom and scriptural exegesis of the Jewish sages. It is important, and authoritative, for Orthodox Judaism, including many devout, Likud Party aligned Israelis. That said, most Jewish people in the U.S. are Reform or Conservative-- a generation or two removed from Orthodoxy. And most are modern secularists. But the Israeli demolition experts who are reciting Hebrew prayers while blowing up mosques in Gaza are, almost certainly, Orthodox. For them, and for Netanyahu, destroying the Goyim in Israel appears to be a Talmudic, religious mission.

Kirk, Educating you about the true history of Christendom would be difficult task, indeed, especially since you have a nasty habit of misconstruing people's arguments, then mislabeling them as "silly." Can you even name the three major branches of world Christianity? I'm not an apologist for the genocidal sins of the post-Schism Roman Catholic Papacy and derivative Western European Protestantism. Sir Steven Runciman hit that nail on the head in his definitive history of the Roman Catholic Crusades, when he pointed out that the Roman Popes completely perverted the traditional theology of the original (Orthodox) Church, by declaring that Roman Catholic Crusaders could get into heaven by murdering Muslims! A History of the Crusades: The First Crusade; The Kingdom of Jerusalem; The Kingdom of Acre: Runciman, Steven: Amazon.com: Books In contrast, during the 1,000 history of the Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire-- the "greatest" civilization in history, in the opinion of British historian Arnold Toynbee-- soldiers who killed a Muslim in battle had to do a year of penance (epitimia) before they could set foot in an Orthodox Church! This was always the true theoria and praxis of Christ and His Apostles. Contrast this with the Latin American genocide of Roman Catholic Conquistadors and the Native American genocide of Protest "Manifest Destiny" in North America. In contrast, again, the Russian Orthodox incorporated Native American Aleutians and Tlinglit people into their empire and (Orthodox) Church as equals. Native American Alaskans ascended to the ranks of bishops and admirals in the Russian Empire, and they are overwhelmingly Orthodox (and pious) to this day. I have attended their liturgies. St. Innocent: Apostle to America: Paul D. Garrett: 9780913836606: Amazon.com: Books As for the dark, largely untold, history of atheistic 20th century genocides, you have much to learn. Much of this happened in closed totalitarian societies, behind a veil of secrecy. Have you read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, or Russian Orthodox literature (e.g., by I.M. Andreyev) about the Soviet persecution of the Church after 1917? About the systematic NKVD murders of Patriarch Tikhon and thousands of priests and hierarchs of the Orthodox Church in the Soviet Union? About Solovki and the Soviet concentration camps for Orthodox priests and bishops? The Gulag Archipelago - An Experiment In Literary Investigation - Nobel Prize Winning Complete Three Volume Trade Paperback Set by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn with a forward by Anne Applebaum: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: Amazon.com: Books Russia's Catacomb Saints : Lives of the New Martyrs: I M Andreev, Ivan Andreyev, Hieromonk Seraphim Rose: Amazon.com: Books Have you studied the occult, anti-Christian, neo-pagan history of the founders of the Nazi Party? Hitler's admiration of Ibsen? The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology: Goodrick-Clarke, Nicholas: 9780814730607: Amazon.com: Books Amazon.com: Ibsen and Hitler: The Playwright, the Plagiarist, and the Plot for the Third Reich eBook : Sage, Steven F: Kindle Store

Yes, Doug, it certainly seems like the SCOTUS is delaying justice for Trump. Apparently, they only needed four judges to accept the case. I'm guessing it was Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch.

Kirk, Like most Americans and Western Europeans, you're a walking case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome when it comes to understanding the Babylonian Talmud and the 2,000 year history of Eastern Christianity-- too ignorant to recognize your profound ignorance. What Netanyahu is doing in Gaza is, basically Talmudic-- destroying the unclean Goyim for the benefit of Israel. I'm simply saying the quiet part out loud. You also haven't studied history in sufficient depth to learn that the worst genocides in modern world history were all perpetrated by anti-Christian atheists -- 1) Joseph Stalin, 2) Adolph Hitler, 3) the Khmer Rouge, and 4) the (non-atheistic) Muslim Turkish genocide of Armenian Orthodox Christians. Hitler and his Nazi Wotanists were rabidly anti-Christian, as were Lenin, Stalin, Beria, Yagoda, and the Bolsheviks who murdered an estimated 20 million Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Christians after 1917. They also destroyed and desecrated Orthodox churches and monasteries throughout Russia, just as the communist Chinese desecrated Buddhist temples and monasteries in Tibet. Naziism took root in a post-Christian culture that celebrated Nietzsche and Wagnerian neo-paganism. The Bolshevik genocide of Orthodox Christians took root in a sub-culture of atheistic Marxist-Leninism. The history of these 20th century atheist atrocities has remained largely untold in the West-- with the exception of the Nazi Holocaust. I can direct you to some excellent historical sources if you want to educate yourself on these subjects.

Can't make this stuff up... 🙄 It reminds me of the twin and adoption study data indicating a possible genetic etiology of sociopathy. In this case, the apple didn't fall far from the rotten apple tree. Lauren Boebert’s Son Arrested in ‘Crime Wave’ February 28, 2024 at 8:23 am EST By Taegan Goddard Rep. Lauren Boebert’s (R-CO) son was arrested Tuesday and now faces 22 charges — including five felonies — relating to an alleged crime wave in Colorado, the Daily Beast reports. The arrest is the latest drama involving Boebert’s family which has come as she runs for election in a new Colorado district.

Matt, I doubt that Trumpsters will even hear about this. Most of them don't even remember when Trump dismissed reports (from physicians in Germany) that Navalny had been poisoned. Then, at the time, Trump declared that Navalny's fate was none of our business!

Kirk, This is simply false, as I have pointed out to you more than once now. You either haven't read, or haven't understood, the detailed rebuttals I have posted in response to Griffith's falsehoods. I have taken the time on numerous occasions (and more than one thread) during the past two years to refute Michael Griffith's redundant bogus talking points about Prouty, along with Griffith's blatantly inaccurate, ignorant comments about the scientific research of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. All to no avail. Griffith simply ignores the definitive refutations and re-posts the same false talking points-- as he did yesterday on this thread. It's a propaganda technique of repeating the lie. As for NSAM 263, James DiEugenio has patiently debunked Griffith's redundant falsehoods about NSAM 263 and JFK's 1963 decision to get out of Vietnam, on multiple occasions.

Kirk, I'm not an apologist for the Vatican-- on the contrary, I'm a convert to the Orthodox Church (which was ditched by the Latins in 1054 A.D., when the Vatican established the "modern" monarchical Papacy and College of Cardinals.) But I wanted to point out that Pope Pius XI correctly anathematized Naziism as an anti-Christian heresy in 1937. Let's give credit where it is due. (Pius XII -- who became Pope in 1939--had a less admirable history with the fascists.) Most people don't know about Pius XI's 1937 anti-Nazi encyclical. Some even believe, erroneously, that Hitler and his neo-pagan Wotanists (and atheists) were Christians. They weren't, although Hitler was a "cradle" Catholic, like most Austrians. (Steven Gaal, one of my favorite Education Forum members, posted some interesting historical material on that subject here on the Education Forum.) Orthodox Christians in the Middle East have long been bewildered by many things about right wing Protestant Evangelicals in the United States, including their beliefs about the "Rapture," and their support for the Nakba and Zionist militants in Israel. I know this from personal experience, because, during the past 30 years, I have conversed with indigenous Orthodox Christian Arabs from Palestine, Jordan, and Syria, (including a Syrian Orthodox bishop who grew up in Damascus on "the street called 'Straight,' where St. Paul recuperated from his blindness on the road to Damascus.) Most Americans don't know about the Orthodox Jewish custom of spitting on Orthodox Christian priests and bishops in Israel. But I have known Orthodox Christian priests who have been spat upon there. The Talmud has always taught that Christ and Christians are an abomination. Someone needs to tell the bad news to Trump's clueless Evangelicals. Not that Islamic Sharia law has been much better. Under Sharia law, Muslim converts to Christianity were traditionally executed, and Jews and Christians had to pay a religious tax called the "jizya." They had the status of "dhimmis," second class citizens who were not allowed to hold public office or serve as witnesses in trials. Here's the definitive historical reference on that subject. The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude : Seventh-Twentieth Century: Ye'Or, Bat: 9780838636886: Amazon.com: Books

Robert, I have little tolerance for blatant, repetitious dishonesty. What you are referring to here as an "insult" and a non- "intellectual" argument is, in fact, intellectual honesty. Since joining the forum, Michael Griffith has a history of simply repeating falsehoods that forum members have taken the time to debunk, in detail. If you study our discussion about NSAM 263 and RFK, (above) and our previous threads about Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, you will discern that pattern. As for my hunch that Michael Griffith works for the U.S. military-industrial-media complex, I think it's reality-based.