Keyvan Shahrdar

Hi Chris, I have to disagree with you here. Once you see the vapor trail on the Nix film, you see an immediate reaction downward by JC. In the Zapruder film zframe 331, JC moves to the middle of the car and gets hit, you see a sharp downward reaction by JC and Zapruder's camera even jiggles at zframe 331. By zframe 336 you can start seeing a discoloration on the back of JC's jacket that was not there before.

Hi Chris, you can definitely see movement of a person in the pergola thruway on this version of the Nix film. Can I have a copy of this film? I'll pay!

Gotcha. This is the Robert Groden Nix Gunman image. This is the Sixth Floor Museum copy of the Nix film. Both of those images are similar and they match up with movement on the Charles Bronson film below. This appear right after this image of a gunshot:

Hi Chris, Let's say: 00 top left 01 top right 10 bottom left 11 bottom right Can you explain each picture you posted and the location to the full frame of the picture? I am interested in understanding what you are looking at. I am good at discerning figures in fuzzy images.

Also note, this image is from the JFK.org website. I ordered the digital film from them, which I should have by next week.

That is right, compared to the Robert Groden version of the Nix film below. Unfortunately I cannot upload additional emails. Here is the drop box link - https://www.dropbox.com/s/van8e4pc4hrickl/JFK-Head-Shot_Robert_Groden_Nix_Film.PNG?dl=0

Both the Nix film and the Bronson film show movement of figures exiting the pergola. In the Bronson film you can see a blue man figure.

In studying the Nix and Bronson films I came across these images. In the Robert Groden version of the Nix film you can see a shot from the second window from the top, right after that shot, you see a figure exiting the pergola. In the Bronson film, you see the second window sort of engulfed in smoke and then a blue man figure exiting the pergola. I cropped a film from the Bronson film displayed in the Sixth Floor Museum website jfk.org. I used a free to download and use program named Cyberlink PowerDirector 365 to view the images frame by frame. Gunman-Exiting-Pergola.mp4 Charles_Bronson_slow_motion.mp4

Sam Kinney strikes again. Great job @Vince PalamaraI would say you have made great contribution towards the riddle wrapped in an enigma.

I have thought about this video for some time. To me: Second hand source is questionable, but let me verbalize my thoughts on it. Kinney finding a bullet in the limo and taking it inside the hospital and placing it in the stretcher raises many questions. 1. Kinney is a SSA, why would he place the bullet in the stretcher when he could have given it to Secret Service agent Richard Johnsen? 2. Did Kinney lie to Loucks? Possible if Kinney did not want his family & friends to know he was involved in the conspiracy. This is a way to justify "I was not involved." 3. Did Kinney plant the bullet in the stretcher? Again, why wouldn't he give it to the Secret Service agent Richard Johnsen? Why the stretcher? Does it make it seem more realistic to put the bullet in the stretcher than to give it to someone? Why wouldn't the conspirators say, the bullet was found in the car? They would have come up with the SBT regardless of where the bullet was found. I can see why they wanted a pristine bullet in order to match to the rifle. To me, this story from Loucks does not sound plausible.

Greg, Do you have links that I can look at in the Mary Ferrell website about the testimony and statements of the officers involved? Fact: Walthers never saw what he reported. (Walthers under oath, Warren Commission testimony.) Keyvan>> Walthers testimony was on July 23, 1964, eight and a half months after the fact. You must look at his testimony through a political lens. During his testimony he never denied not seeing them. Fact: what was claimed (that there is no known witness who saw) has no verification of existence. No one later claims to see them. You have to ask, what happened to them, if they existed. Well, cue the Twilight Zone music and imagine (that's what is required: imagination) elaborate theories of secret second stashes of metal file boxes secretly shipped to the sheriff's office in addition to the ones delivered to Capt. Fritz at DPD as every officer reported that day. Then imagine they were all secretly disappeared. No evidence that happened, apart from a starting premise of inerrancy in Walthers' original statement (premise: no officer working for Sheriff Bill Decker would ever write a mistake). Keyvan>> There is a report signed by Walthers that there was information about Cuban sympathizers. Fact: it has never been explained how anti-Castro Cuban names and addresses are recognizeable by eyesight as distinguished from pro-Castro Cuban names, or no-Castro Cuban related names. On obvious possibility is Walthers' statement reflects some assumed association with Oswald's FPCC literature and pamphlets. In which case there is no Ruth Paine connection since Oswald's FPCC was not Ruth's doing. Keyvan>> This is conjecture in your part. Again, reference the document signed by Walthers. Rather than going for the simple explanation that Walthers wrote something incorrect, i.e. goofed--instead, elaborate and unsubstantiated mountains of conjectures and conspiracy theorizing gone amok are considered preferable explanations. Keyvan>> You are wanting a different result from the fact that Walthers wrote a report, explained there was literature about Cuban Sympathizers. Fact is fact. He wrote it, it is up to you to believe it or not.

Tracy, The only material that I can find are newspaper articles and documentation in the form of webpages. These articles are written by reporters with content of what someone else said. You are taking the word of authors instead of actual evidence that exists. The evidence that I see is the document by Walthers. As I stated, I tend to believe first sourced material. Not to eliminate any other form of information, but chances are those are compromised. Keyvan

Tracy, What evidence do you have that show an examination by the Dallas Police and the FBI on November 22, 1963 that states something different from Walthers report? Most of the so called "evidence" has to be seen through a political lens as the WC was political. Politicians lie to have "evidence" fit their narrative. In the eyes of the WC, Ruth Paine's file boxes could not have any information about Cuban sympathizer's. There are serious implications about the truthfulness of Ruth Paine and her motives with the document provided by Walthers. Ruth Paine is still alive and most likely will take her secrets to the grave. Keyvan

I base my opinions based on facts, not conjecture or hearsay. Facts are: 1. Buddy Walthers created a report when the seven file boxes belonging to Ruth Paine were sequestered. 2. The report states there is literature concerning Cuban sympathizers. 3. Buddy Walthers cannot remember the report he created in his WC testimony. Those are facts. Facts don't change. What people say months or years later and not under oath is suspect. Thanks for you reply, this thread has gotten a lot of interest and it is one of the best threads I have seen in a while.

The O.P. should base this thread of facts not conjecture. Clearly, Buddy Walthers states they found the literature in the house, it is in his document that he signed off on. His WC testimony does not debunk anything.

Hi Michael, I am commenting on fact, in the Robert Groden film, there is a vapor trail and at to the top right of that vapor trail, there seems to be the head of the gunman. If you follow the trajectory of that "shot", you see JC's reaction, which is a sharp downward move. I do not believe what people say, it is all hearsay to me. Thanks for your comment. Keyvan

I appreciate your response, I spoke to a good friend of mine, who eventually became a Major General in the Army. He served under General Lyman Lemnitzer. We debated this issue, he agrees, Bill Greer was supposed to get killed. FYI - He does not believe that Lemnitzer would have been involved in any conspiracy to assassinate JFK. I on the other hand, do believe that General Lemnitzer was involved. This is a blowup of the pergola in the grassy knoll taken from the Robert Groden version of the Nix film. You can clearly see the head of the gunman next to the pergola and the vapor trail of his shot. If you follow that trajectory of that shot, it leads to Governor John Connally, which a sharp downward reaction is seen right after the shot. Because of this shot and the shot to the chrome of the windshield, I believe the reason JFK was not shot on Houston St. was because they needed to shoot and kill the driver, Bill Greer.

I have thought about this for decades. I can only conclude the reason why the sniper did not shoot while the car was on Houston St. is because there are supposed to be two people that get killed on that day. 1. JFK 2. Bill Greer

Thanks for your guidance. Your website is a benefit to the community.

I never thought about tracing a path through the x-ray skull of JFK until I was challenged by a person. Never crossed my mind that the entry hole was that big circle above the ear until my pathologist friend pointed it out yesterday! The x-ray is self explanatory with this tangential bullet channel.

But in his ARRB interview he is quite clear on the film he used, and the process he used. He should be since he wrote the book on them. And he taught the classes. Keyvan>> He is not sure, did you listen to him. In 1963 they were transitioning from 4x5 to 35 mm film. His assistant was taking photographs as well and he did not know what he used. He did not know the camera that he used. He used the camera that was on the camera stand. He did not know if JFK's autopsy photos were taken in black and white or in color or both. He assumed they took color photos because his protocol was to take the black/white then the color photographs. He even mentioned that his assistants camera film was taken out of the camera by a Secret Service agent. He also mentions the logs that they are supposed to take to match up each photograph and keep a record of everything. He also mentions that he does not remember if he kept a log. He also mentions that he works under the direct supervision of the pathologist. He takes photographs that he is told to take. If you are going to argue it was not planted at Parkland, then you most likely have to argue that somehow the bullet was switched on its way from there to FBI HQ. Keyvan>> If CE399 was not planted at Parkland, Secret Service & FBI had months to create it. IMO - Not worth arguing something that cannot be proved. I am not looking at the JFK assassination as you do or most people do. I look at evidence and fit them in place. I don't believe anything anyone says. Just look at evidence. What I look at: We don't know if CE399 was used in the assassination. There are more than one gunman. Was JFK's first shot in the throat? What JFK's first shot in the back? What I know is: Zframes show a ghost gunman on the roof top of the Records building under what looks like a lamp. The Nix film shows the Records building roof top with a lamp. The zframe ghost gunman looks like he fired a shot and at the same time, JFK's head snapped forward and down. There is a bullet mark on the cement of the manhole cover on the south side of Elm street that points to the the top of the Records building. Listening to John Stringer, he mentions that he remembers the probe getting inserted to the back of JFK. It would not go through. My thoughts on this: CE399 was probably from the Records building gunman. CE399 was a shallow shot to the back of JFK from high and above. I don't know what shot hit him first, the neck or back shot. Hey, I can be completely wrong on this, but those are my thoughts on this for years now.

I go hunting quite a bit for deer and duck. When I leave the camp and take off my ear plugs, I can still hear them shooting. It is muffled, and it does sound like a fire cracker.

Here is John Stringer's tape 3 AARB testimony - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/medical_testimony/audio/ARRB_Stringer_R2S1.mp3 Mr. Stringer discredit the Lifton interview as not being factual. You can listen to Mr. Stringer in his own voice. You can also listen to how Mr. Stringer does not remember many things. There are multiple documents that he does not remember signing. He is not a very good witness. Did he take a picture of the brain? Who knows! Dr. James C. Jenkins, at the time of the autopsy he was a orderly, in his interview with Patrick Bet-Davis in 2018 states that he held the brain. There was a small area to the back of the brain that was damaged. The other parts of the brain did not look damaged. You can listen to Dr. Jenkins in the following YouTube video. To be clear, IMO - A bullet (CE399 if that is the bullet) did not enter the skull. It entered JFK's back from high and above. From the top of the Records building. The shot was taken far away. That is the reason people heard fire cracker sounds and that is the reason this bullet did not penetrate deep into JFK's back. Was CE399 a plant? Maybe, but not at Parkland. I love your work, don't get me wrong. I just don't agree with some of it.

CE-399 is one of the "fire cracker" bullets to hit their mark. For a rifle shot to sound like a fire cracker, the shot has to be far away. Dr. Humes states that the shot to the back of JFK was an oval shaped shot of entry. That shot had to come from high and above. The perfect location for this shot is the roof top of the records building. High enough to make a "fire cracker" sound close enough to barely hit a target. Since the entry hole was oval in shape, to be exact 7 mm x 4 mm similar to the image attached, the CE-399 bullet entered downward into JFK's back.

The firecracker shot originated from the top of the records building by the ghost shooter in the Zapruder Frames. This shooter moves to the left most corner of the roof top after the shot at zframe 232. Doctor Humes description of the first shot to the head: "Exhibit 385 shows in the low neck an oval wound which-excuse me, I wish to get the measurements correct. This wound was situated just above the upper border of the scapula, and measured 7 by 4 millimeters, with its long axis roughly parallel to the long axis of vertical column." ... "The second wound was found in the right posterior portion of the scalp. This wound was situated approximately 2.5 centimeters to the right, and slightly above the external occipital protuberance which is a bony prominence situated in the posterior portion of everyone’s skull. This wound was then 2.5 centimeters to the right and slightly above that point." The description given by Dr. Humes is from a shot high and above as depicted in zframe 232. IMO - This shot did not exit the skull. It rotated inside the skull severing the brain stem as denoted by his orderly at the autopsy, Dr. James C. Jenkins in his interview with Patrick Bet-Davis in 2018.