Jake Hammond

I'll get on it tomorrow chaps, don't think I'm ignoring anyone ! Weekends are normally a bit hectic Essentially I was making the point that if you look at all the conspiracy stuff that lets face it doesn't really fit together then you can point a lot of fingers. Also, unfortunately ( I mean that genuinely) Ruth Paine and Marina both have to be bare faced XXXXX and completely compromised in order for Oswald to not have being up to something that day and have taken a gun to work. There is very much a wider conspiracy to cover up after the fact, there was also at least an element of fore knowledge of something by the alphabet agencies. Oswalds behaviour and ( apparent) state of mind suggest he was part of it in some way. I'll try and find the show I was thinking of. The deleted word rhymed with tyres.

The filming of both deaths.... If there was a nefarious plot to kill both these men (and I believe that at least Oswalds execution was entirely organised). Then we have the lone gunman, the member of the public, publicly killing the victim. This sounds rather basic but what it does is prevent any discussion of Kennedy being bumped off behind the scenes in a coup, assassinated by Putin or Oswald being silenced by ' them' for what he knows. Obviously the Z film was released later but the execution was conducted in public and actually the Z film could have always stayed in the bank as a back up, albeit edited, to be released in a time of need by the conspirators. Oswald had to be killed on TV because he was never going to be in public again and so his mysterious death soon after the crime in private would have been incredibly suspicious, even to the general public ( who in those days could still largely think for themselves) . The transfer was the only time it could be reliably done, other than the media press conference, which of course Ruby attended, gun in pocket. it really was a show, performed and scripted.

I'll read your blog and his statements fully tomorrow, I've seen them previously but not for over a year... its late here though and I'm done for the day.

Ok so the 62 chevy wagon is a non starter as that photo isn't even on the right day ? I'll amend tomorrow. I'll check up on what Craig said again, maybe I was too quick there to blame the WC . Happy to be pulled up on issues as always.

Doesn't he match descriptions of a man seen on the 6th floor with a rifle ? sport jacket, hat, darker skin ? Also the Rambler was driven by a darer skinned possibly cuban looking man apparently. He also looks quite cool and relaxed relative to the situation. Just seems incongruous.

I'm happy to change things, stay objective and keep this updated and expand it out to other possible Ramblers and even other vehicles if you have better info.

Thank you, I'll research what Tosh and Jay said more closely. The car pictured isn't the one at 1240 but it may well be that there is a middle ground and there may even be another Rambler involved somewhere in the plot anyway. That the next thing I need to do to fill out this topic. if you have any good links please do share.

ok Thank you, I'll read up his story re the Rambler and see what could still work.

I bet, is that on a topic that's still active ?

Very possibly, great analysis again Dennis. I tidied up the Rambler topic I opened too BTW, and added some images back in for clarity.

Yes the sign in the full image says 12.40, I'm not aware of the lanes being closed I think that traffic just piled up in the right lane due to rubber necking and Ramblers innocently picking people up.....

Yes, it was also a '62 chevy Bel air wagon. Not entirely dissimilar to be fair.

Obtuse question ..... Do we tend to believe the accuracy and voracity of what he has said over the years because he is clearly a good guy and a just a nice old man . I know I do.

Thanks Michael, I have read some into Tosh Plumlee previously and the Rambler story although I need to read again. However, the image at 1240 shows the Rambler parked exactly like witnesses said and at the exact time. In addition the car behind it could well be the Cadillac narrowly avoiding it. I think for once we've caught a break here and this image captures exactly what good witnesses have stated. The object of this topic was to nail down if the 1240 image shows 'the rambler' and if so what the model of 'Rambler' is. Its an AMC '61/2 Rambler 'classic' station wagon, most likely in Echo green. The images of the Mexico/Tosh car show a 1959 rambler. The '59 had twin headlights spaced almost touching each other, almost in pods above the Bonnet line. In addition it has two distinctive vertical bumper over riders on the bumper going up and above the horizontal. The car at 1240 has the small vertical pieces BELOW the bumper, as per a' 61/2 'classic'. It would be a huge coincidence to me that another light-coloured Rambler station wagon would pull up at the curb at 1240 and narrowly avoid being hit by a large luxury car following it. Two in one minute of the same make, model, colour tone, same parking position and followed by very likely the car witnesses stated. Thats just a step too far into coincidence theory for me. Therefore I can't see any way for the Plumlee story to be accurate and the 59 Rambler Mexico car to be the one on Elm at 1240 picking someone up who looked like Oswalds double. Below is a 62 sedan with original wheels.

Wow, thank you. Things really did move on, well done, fantastic. I'm sure its her. Leica M3, Dr. of engineering, funded by naval intelligence, lived near a Naval base..... > checks out. Was DR. Elinor Sandborne another Stuart Reed ?

As Fritz decided to keep ' hand written notes ' we may never know. By coincidence I'm just listening to John Armstrongs latest visit to black Op Radio and his presentation on how Ruby gained entry to the basement. He goes in to the Fritz notes and surmises the following.... > Fritz didn't ask Oswald any questions about the tippet killing because he had become aware that Oswald was been framed for the Tippet killing. This may well have been because he had figured out that the second wallet that had turned up had to be a plant. It may well also have been for other similar reasons, or quiet words from superiors. > Fritz asking questions directly about the tippet killing would have of course garnered responses he may have been worried about Fbi or CIA agents hearing. Oswald may have started to claim he was been frames by DPD and start to prove why. > In keeping the number of people to a minimum and running the interogration off the record he, or his superiors, guaranteed Oswald's eternal silence. Anything could be made up and then turn up later, say 1997. The notes ( implying that Fritz made accurate records of Oswalds replies) would never be questioned and could never be verified.

Thank you Jim, I try to keep up with your work on Black Ops but some of that is new to me and I'm sure others.

I couldn't agree more, as I think I said in another comment -His actions don't really fit a Lone Nutter or a man with no knowledge of events. So using Ockhams razor maybe he was both ? I believe that minimum he was low level FBI but was certainly pushed into bigger things, perhaps without him even knowing. George de Mohrenschildt is all you need look at to know that, and his ( ' defection' ). It is also very true that his Homelife was a mess and in civvy street he was a failure.

I'm trying to find the old topic ' prayer woman' ( I think) , where I and a couple of others argued, quite robustly, that the Payer man is in fact a petite amateur photographer filmed later in a local news clip. It was a perfect match. Obviously there was a push back against this but I was interested if that woman had been identified as I've not been on the forum for a while.... Can anyone help please ?

Completely agree, in fact I said that in an earlier comment. His attitude and actions post assassination read like someone who knows too much and is realising he's been framed. This is completely incongruous to the theory that he did it out of frustration, notoriety and political change.

Thats my point, they didn't, not knowingly.

I think you may have missed it yes, I did for a long time, I know many of the Oswald and JFK shows are main stream slop but there are a couple I've watched and yes he really does seem to be at his wits end and really not functioning brilliantly. He seems like a man with nowhere to go in life and a lot of faults. I have certainly changed my view of possibilities over the years as regards his build u to the assassination. INB4 " those shows are made by Lners at the CIA paid for by nefarious types " and "don't believe everything you see ON TV" I get it,

I'm sure this has been said a million times but Oswald being at least part of a conspiracy i.e not quite the lone assassin we are supposed to believe and ' Oswald took a gun into the TSBD' are not mutually exclusive. Him being a ' Lone assassin' is conflated , IMO, way too readily with specific events of he day. His association with the FBI and very suspicious records show that at the very least he wasn't a knuckle dragging disgruntled loner. I do however urge CTers to really look at his actions, mental state and situation leading up to the assassination. They really do paint a guilty picture.

I'm going to be more consistent win here hopefully and less sporadic, I'm still fascinated by it, especially the wider context and I've been ' into it' for a decade now so its clearly not going away !

There are several important questions. 1) Were echoes confused with shots. - No, I don't think that there is any evidence of people hearing echoes and mistaking them for shots. 2) were the last two shots closer spaced ? - As Pat has outlined and a YouTuber I got into a long argument ( Pat ?!) with also.... it seems not. There were several good witnesses who stated they were close together but in summary they may well have heard sonic cracks of the third shot and assumed that the second shot was the first. Not conclusive but worth considering. 3) Why was the first shot not heard as clearly and sounded like a firecracker ? - Well it was fired at the turn on to elm where the motorcycles were a bit closer bunched and may well have been revving to accelerate and gain speed once turned on to elm. In addition the crowd there was denser and there may have been an increase of wind on the corner reducing the impact of the noise. In addition it seems that the bullet fragmented, either on the pavement or from hitting a sign and therefore created a secondary ' firecracker' sound which may well have stuck in peoples memory. A combination of these most likely explains the ' firecracker' phenomenon. 4) Why don't the reactions of the Limo passengers and SS men match the timing of the shots impacting them. ? The inference here is that there were two shooters, one silenced or quieter weapon being involved. The best analysis of this I've seen is Robert Harris' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv7Lz25Xyno , there are several similar videos supporting this in his other 'videos' . I can imagine that the main larger reaction by the passengers and SS men was due to someone clearly saying something loudly, like ' we're being shot at' etc... which was probably GJC. I do find it strange though that Jackie doesn't react to JFK being shot in the neck behind the Stemmons sign and is only casually looking at him until the very clear reaction at Z285 (when there was no shot). Although you wouldn't see a reaction there of course as its hidden, unfortunately.