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    What if growth had been equal?

    2010-09-13, Washington Post

    Posted: 2010-09-20 10:08:02

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/what_if_growth_had_been_e...

    "The Conehead economy" [is] the idea that if the economy were a person, its growth over the past few decades would've turned it from a normal-looking individual into a conehead. Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson get at this idea slightly differently [in their book Winner-Take-All Politics]. They've got a table showing how incomes would look if growth had been equally shared from 1979 to 2006 -- much as it was in the decades before 1979. If growth had been equally shared, the middle quintile would be making $64,395 today. Instead, they're making $52,100. That's a 23 percent raise those folks didn't get -- and that I'm sure they would've noticed. The top 1 percent ... made, on average, $1,200,300 in 2006. If growth had been equally shared in the three decades before that, however, their incomes would've been cut by more than half, down to $506,002. That's real, serious money we're talking about. The top 1 percent now accounts for 23.5 percent of the national income if you include capital gains. In 1979, they only had 9.8 percent of the nation's earnings. During that same period, tax rates on the richest Americans have actually dropped. So as the economy went one way -- toward more money going to the rich -- the tax system went the other.

    Note: For lots more on income inequality from reliable sources, click here.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/incomeinequalitynewsarticles

  2. Thanks for that, it is yet more confirmation the structure's of the towers were compromised well before they collapsed. The South Tower is still standing thus it was before 9:58 the North Tower collapsed at 10:28. One of the reporters said the brides and tunnels were "just closed" so it was shortly after this was ordered at 9:21, some one on the forum said it was 9:32. Thus he was speaking about a hour before the building collapsed. It is known that there were fuel air explosions in the elevator shafts Gartenberg's comments are consistent with this.

    Dec 12 2008, 03:22 PM

    I believe here is where one needs to look, paying attention to names and captions.

    http://www.archive.org/details/ABC_TV

    It would be interesting to have a better time coordinate on the Jim Gartenberg call.

    EDIT: One of the recent comments at that page:

    http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912

    "Daladim - [5.0 out of 5 stars] - December 2, 2008

    Subject: What happened here?

    I have been watching these videos for some time now, starting at the beginning, up until just around a week ago. Now none of the videos are available?

    This doesn't make any sense. Why remove these videos? I want to finish watching what I haven't seen yet. This is the ONLY available information we have today that may have ANY possibility of containing truth. ALL else is just speculation. Don't let this wonderfully archived collection of information disappear from public access."

    The links are still working either 1) Daladim does know how to play videos

    2) there was a problem with his computer

    3) there was a temporary glitch

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    The fuel-air-explosion generated an overpressure of about 3psi - enough to compress the air in the elevator shafts down to the 77th floor and upwards as well. That overpressure surely cause a lot of damage to glass, gypsum walls and elevator doors. Some people were burnt near the elevator shaft at these floors e.g. Carmen Griffith at the 78th floor.

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/america.r...er/charles.html

    or page 127

    http://books.google.com/books?id=3C7JSfnMsbIC&lpg=PA127&ots=udXnm4dr00&dq=911%20WTC%20PSI&pg=PA127#v=onepage&q&f=false says 2.5 to 3 psi

    ??????????????????????????? 3 PSI weakened stuctures ?????????????????????????????????????

  3. For those who love the truth,two links

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t14700.html

    An audio file ,for your soul. (the piano plays melody to below lyrics)

    http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/e/jesussav.htm

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    We have heard the joyful sound: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Spread the tidings all around: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Bear the news to every land, climb the mountains, cross the waves;

    Onward! ’tis our Lord’s command; Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Waft it on the rolling tide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Tell to sinners far and wide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Sing, you islands of the sea; echo back, you ocean caves;

    Earth shall keep her jubilee: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Sing above the battle strife: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    By His death and endless life Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Shout it brightly through the gloom, when the heart for mercy craves;

    Sing in triumph o’er the tomb: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Give the winds a mighty voice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Let the nations now rejoice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    Shout salvation full and free; highest hills and deepest caves;

    This our song of victory: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^#########################################################

    ################################### a comment from dMole Re first link

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    the dMole asked why Videos removed......I think I know why

    :ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

    Dec 12 2008, 03:22 PM

    I believe here is where one needs to look, paying attention to names and captions.

    http://www.archive.org/details/ABC_TV

    It would be interesting to have a better time coordinate on the Jim Gartenberg call.

    EDIT: One of the recent comments at that page:

    http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109110831-0912

    "Daladim - [5.0 out of 5 stars] - December 2, 2008

    Subject: What happened here?

    I have been watching these videos for some time now, starting at the beginning, up until just around a week ago. Now none of the videos are available?

    This doesn't make any sense. Why remove these videos? I want to finish watching what I haven't seen yet. This is the ONLY available information we have today that may have ANY possibility of containing truth. ALL else is just speculation. Don't let this wonderfully archived collection of information disappear from public access."

  4. Long time no hear (Aug 7 was a number of days ago and you said you would get back when you find the time) on false flag. Len my friend ,GOVERMENTS (examples:Turkey,Italy,Egypt,Pakistan, and even European Parliament !!!!! ) NOT,NOT JUST -conspiracy posters- believe in FLASE FLAG operations.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LEN, LONGER TIME NO HEAR RE: TURKEY FALSE FLAG (BTW the people of Turkey seems to support the False flag idea since they just elected a goverment that supports the data (FALSE FLAG) in the first

    post in this thread = == hay Len talk to the majority of Turkish voters) Oh yes, re below links= just like you Blackwaters HDQ moved out /they are now expats. ;)

    ################################################################

    http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/09/blackwaterxe-terrorist-cells-conducting.html

    actually related because of this lawsuit a fall guy or false nation will be "now" blamed IMHO

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/30/lawsuit-challenges-govts-right-to-assassinate-us-citizens/

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/141016.html

  5. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050119084227272

    Above link tells whats

    BEHIND WHY COCHRANE TESTIMONY SUPPRESSED..... :ph34r:

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    BTW Ms Rice has Cheney in PEOC before 9:15

    ***********************************

    (Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001: White House Officials Reportedly Converge on Cheney’s Office, but Accounts Conflict

    Vice President Dick Cheney sees the second plane hitting the World Trade Center live on television while meeting with his speechwriter John McConnell. He later claims that several other officials then come and join him in his White House office: National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, political adviser Mary Matalin, and his chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who has come across from the Old Executive Office Building next door to the White House. [Meet the Press, 9/16/2001] According to journalist and author Stephen Hayes, “As word of the attacks spread throughout the West Wing, many White House officials migrated to Cheney’s office.” As well as Rice, Libby, and Matalin, these include Sean O’Keefe, the deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget; Josh Bolten, the deputy White House chief of staff; and counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke. [Hayes, 2007, pp. 332] However, other accounts contradict this. Clarke claims that when he arrives at the White House shortly after 9:03, he sees the vice president and Rice, but the two are “alone in Cheney’s office” (see (9:05 a.m.) September 11, 2001). (It is possible, though, that the other officials only arrive after Clarke ends his brief visit to the vice president’s office.) [Clarke, 2004, pp. 1-2] In numerous interviews where she discusses her actions this morning, Rice makes no mention of heading to Cheney’s office after the second tower is hit. [O, the Oprah Magazine, 2/1/2002; BBC Radio 4, 8/1/2002 ; Australian Broadcasting Corporation, 9/11/2002; MSNBC, 9/11/2002; New York Times, 9/11/2002] Also, according to some accounts, the Secret Service evacuates Cheney from his office shortly after the second attack occurs (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [New York Times, 9/13/2001; ABC News, 9/14/2002] Cheney claims that President Bush phones him around this time, while he is still in his office. [Meet the Press, 9/16/2001] But according to White House adviser Karl Rove, who is with the president in Florida, Bush is unable to reach the vice president because Cheney is being evacuated from his office (see (9:16 a.m.-9:29 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [MSNBC, 9/11/2002]

    Entity Tags: Lewis (“Scooter”) Libby, Joshua Bolten, John McConnell, Mary Matalin, Richard (“Dick”) Cheney, Sean O’Keefe, Condoleezza Rice, Richard A. Clarke

    Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline

    Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke

    Shortly After 9:03 a.m. September 11, 2001: Secret Service Learns of Additional Suspicious Planes, but Vice President’s Agents Supposedly Not Alerted

    A senior Secret Service agent at the White House establishes a direct phone line with his counterpart at the FAA and is told there are more suspect planes that are unaccounted for, but this information supposedly does not lead to the evacuation of the vice president from his White House office.

    Secret Service Liaison Calls FAA - Secret Service agent Nelson Garabito, who is responsible for coordinating the president’s movements and is also the agency’s liaison to the FAA, is at the Secret Service Joint Operations Center (JOC) at the White House, attending a 9:00 a.m. meeting. After seeing the second attack on the World Trade Center on television, he calls Terry Van Steenbergen, his counterpart at the FAA. According to Garabito, the TV’s sound is off, so it takes a few minutes before he realizes a second plane has hit the WTC and makes the call. But Van Steenbergen, who is at FAA headquarters in Washington, DC, will say Garabito calls him “within 30 seconds” of the attack.

    Warning Not Passed On - Shortly into the call, Van Steenbergen tells Garabito there are two unaccounted for planes that are possibly hijacked, in addition to the two that have crashed into the WTC. Garabito tells someone with him to run upstairs and pass this information on to other Secret Service agents, but, according to the 9/11 Commission, “it either was not passed on or was passed on but not disseminated.” As a result, Van Steenbergen’s information “failed to reach agents assigned to the vice president, and the vice president was not evacuated at that time.” [9/11 Commission, 7/28/2003, pp. 9-11; 9/11 Commission, 3/30/2004; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 464]

    Conflicting Evacuation Times - According to the 9/11 Commission, the Secret Service does not evacuate Vice President Dick Cheney from his office at the White House until “just before 9:36.” [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 39] However, some accounts will say Cheney is evacuated around the time of the second attack on the WTC (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001), which would suggest that Van Steenbergen’s information is indeed passed on and disseminated. [New York Times, 9/13/2001; ABC News, 9/14/2002] Garabito and Van Steenbergen will remain in contact over the phone—via a direct line, not a conference call—for the next 14 hours. Garabito feeds information to Van Steenbergen, though Van Steenbergen does not know how Garabito is getting this information. [9/11 Commission, 3/30/2004]

    Entity Tags: Richard (“Dick”) Cheney, Nelson Garabito, Secret Service, Terry Van Steenbergen

    Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline

    Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, Flight AA 77, Flight UA 93, Dick Cheney

    (9:05 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Clarke, Cheney, and Rice Talk; Clarke Concludes that Al-Qaeda Is behind Attacks

    Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke is driving up to a gate outside the White House when Lisa Gordon-Hagerty—a member of his staff who is already at the White House—calls and tells him, “The other tower was just hit.” He responds: “Well, now we know who we’re dealing with. I want the highest level person in Washington from each agency on-screen now, especially the FAA.” He ordered Gordon-Hagerty to set up a secure video conference about five minutes earlier. A few minutes later, according to his own recollections, Clarke finds Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in Cheney’s White House office. Clarke tells Cheney: “It’s an al-Qaeda attack and they like simultaneous attacks. This may not be over.” Rice asks Clarke for recommendations, and he says, “We’re putting together a secure teleconference to manage the crisis.” He also recommends evacuating the White House. (A slow evacuation of the White House will begin around 9:20-9:25 (see (9:22 a.m.) September 11, 2001).) Rice notes the Secret Service wants them to go to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House, and as Clarke leaves the other two, he sees Cheney gathering up his papers. In Cheney’s outer office, Clarke will recall, he sees eight Secret Service agents instead of the usual two, ready to move to the PEOC. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 1-2; Australian, 3/27/2004]

    Entity Tags: Secret Service, Richard A. Clarke, Condoleezza Rice, Lisa Gordon-Hagerty, Al-Qaeda, Richard (“Dick”) Cheney, Federal Aviation Administration

    Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline

    Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke

    (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Vice President Cheney Apparently Goes to White House Bunker; Other Accounts Have Him Moving Locations Later

    According to counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke and others, Vice President Dick Cheney goes from his White House office to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), a bunker below the East Wing of the White House, at about this time. There is no video link between response centers in the East and West Wings, but a secure telephone line is used instead. [New York Times, 9/16/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; ABC News, 9/14/2002; Clarke, 2004, pp. 3-4]

    Cheney Leaves Office 'Just after 9 a.m.' - One eyewitness, David Bohrer, a White House photographer, will say Cheney leaves for the PEOC just after 9:00 a.m. [ABC News, 9/14/2002] White House adviser Karl Rove, who is with the president in Florida, will appear to corroborate this account, later telling NBC News that when Bush tries phoning Cheney at around 9:16 a.m., he is unable to contact him because “the vice president was being… grabbed by a Secret Service agent and moved to the bunker” (see (9:16 a.m.-9:29 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [MSNBC, 9/11/2002] And Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta will say that when he arrives at the PEOC, at around 9:20-9:27, Cheney is already there (see (Between 9:20 a.m. and 9:27 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; Academy of Achievement, 6/3/2006]

    Cheney Leaves Office 'Just before 9:36' - However, there is a second account claiming that Cheney does not leave his office until sometime after 9:30 a.m. (The 9/11 Commission will say he is evacuated “just before 9:36.”) In this account, Secret Service agents burst into Cheney’s office. They carry him under his arms—nearly lifting him off the ground—and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward the underground bunker. [New York Times, 10/16/2001; Newsweek, 12/31/2001; Washington Post, 1/27/2002; BBC, 9/1/2002; MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] According to journalist and author Stephen Hayes, it takes “Less than a minute” for the Secret Service agents to escort Cheney from his office down to the secure tunnel leading to the PEOC. [Hayes, 2007, pp. 335] Although its specifications are highly classified, two sources will tell journalist and author Barton Gellman that the PEOC is located two floors below ground. [Gellman, 2008, pp. 420]

    Arrives at PEOC 'Shortly before 10:00' - Despite admitting that there “is conflicting evidence about when the vice president arrived” in the PEOC, the 9/11 Commission will conclude that the “vice president arrived in the room shortly before 10:00, perhaps at 9:58.” [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 40] In addition to the eyewitness accounts of Clarke, Mineta, and Bohrer, several accounts will claim that Cheney is in the bunker when he is told Flight 77 is 50 miles away from Washington, at about 9:26 a.m. (see (9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001). This further supports the claims of Cheney going to the PEOC earlier on, rather than after 9:30.

    Entity Tags: Richard A. Clarke, David Bohrer, Karl Rove, Norman Mineta, Richard (“Dick”) Cheney, Secret Service

    Timeline Tags: 9/11 Timeline

    Category Tags: Key Day of 9/11 Events, All Day of 9/11 Events, Dick Cheney

    (9:15 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Richard Clarke Takes Charge of Video Conference; Condoleezza Rice Says She Is Heading to PEOC

    Mike Fenzel. [source: Wall Street Journal]According to counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke, around this time, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice says she is going down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House to be with Vice President Dick Cheney. Clarke is currently convening a video teleconference with top officials from the Secure Video Conferencing Center, just off the main floor of the Situation Room (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Rice has just walked in with her deputy, Stephen Hadley. Clarke asks her, “Do you want to chair this as a principals meeting?” [Clarke, 2004, pp. 2-4] (A “principals meeting” includes the principals of the National Security Council, but not the president. [bumiller, 2007, pp. 141] ) Rice declines, allowing Clarke to run the conference. Clarke will recall that Rice says to him: “You’re going to need some decisions quickly. I’m going to the PEOC to be with the vice president. Tell us what you need.” Clarke replies, “What I need is an open line to Cheney and you.” Clarke then turns to his White House Fellow, Army Major Mike Fenzel, and instructs him to “go with Condi to the PEOC and open a secure line to me. I’ll relay the decisions we need to you.” [Clarke, 2004, pp. 3-4] However, according to her own later recollections, Rice does not head down from the Situation Room to the PEOC until later, at some time shortly after the Pentagon is hit (see (9:45 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [PBS Frontline, 7/12/2002; MSNBC, 9/11/2002; New York Times, 9/11/2002; Bumiller, 2007, pp. xiii]

    Entity Tags: Condoleezza Rice, Richard A. Clarke, Stephen J. Hadley, Mike Fenzel

  6. tyrannosaurus rex

    Although other theropods rivaled or exceeded Tyrannosaurus rex in size, it was the largest known tyrannosaurid and one of the largest known land predators, measuring up to 12.8 m (42 ft) in length, up to 4 metres (13 ft) tall at the hips, and up to 6.8 metric tons (7.5 short tons) in weight. By far the largest carnivore in its environment.

  7. Flase Flag operations come Big and Small........this micro false flag...

    http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10918033

    It is now being reported that Denver Mayor Hickenlooper’s non-profit organization had helped fund this agitator group Re-create 68 in order to secure the 50 million dollars in Federal funding to beef up the police state that was in effect during that time.

    “The protest group Re-create 68 was one of the biggest annoyances in the long run-up to Denver’s hosting the 2008 Democratic National Convention. And now we find out that a non-profit the mayor of Denver helped establish years ago actually funded Re-create 68 as it tried to disrupt the mayor’s greatest challenge pulling off the DNC.

    The 2010 gubernatorial race just keeps getting stranger.

    Re-create 68 caused Denver officials months of headaches, and the group’s over-the-top comments contributed to fears that cost taxpayers millions of dollars in security preparations.

    So it was a great irony, and somewhat exasperating, to learn that the Chinook Fund, which Mayor John Hickenlooper helped establish, funds the group and others considered “too risky or too radical” by mainstream foundations.”

    These high security events and the black block anarchists are being used all over the nation as an excuss to inject millions in DHS and Federal funding into city police forces in an obvious bid to upgrade the police state weaponry in counties all across the nation.

    This new revelation about the Mayor being directly involved with the funding of this group comes as no surprise to those of us who sounded the alarm during that time, but this information needs to get out especially since Hickenlooper has thrown his hat into the Governor race here in Colorado.

    The race for the Governorship in Colorado has become a political nightmare with all the republican scandals and now this revelation that Hickenlooper has funded provocateur groups in the past. This is not the kind of mayor this state needs and his role in this fiasco needs to be fully investigated.

  8. What does the phrase "to stir the pot" generally mean? And does it mean to be in some way deliberately provocative or irritating?

    Deliberately provocative, yes, but not necessarily maliciously. Picture a pot of soup. A lot of ingredients have settled to the bottom, out of sight, until stirred. Metaphorically, a lot of issues/resentments/obligations can drop out of sight when nobody mentions them. One can "stir the pot" to bring issues to the surface, sometimes with malice, but sometimes merely to create awareness and effect change.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ of course stirring the pot can be malevolent ++++++++++++++++++++

    Does stirring the pot with the 911 MOSQUE issue help Murdoch's military industrial and FOX news stock values ?? Of course....hah !! Murdoch even helps North Korea....QUI BONO..??.... :blink: see below

    So let's see... Fox News' self-described patriots such as Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck work for a company in bed with both a radical-imam-and-mosque-funding, America-dissing Saudi prince and North Korea. Can we expect any big resignations coming soon? Don't hold your breath.

    http://www.newshounds.us/2010/09/08/news_corp_doing_business_with_north_korea.php

    http://www.newshounds.us/2010/08/24/will_brian_kilmeade_continue_to_accept_funds_from_radical_madrassa_funder.php

    http://www.newshounds.us/2010/08/24/will_laura_ingraham_speak_out_against_fox_news_muslim_extremist_shareholder.php

    Yes , the Saudi Prince controls only 5% of the total.

    Yet to be clear ,when taking about voting shares (instead of common stock) only about 6% of total voting stock normally used (unless takeover or abortion funding in health plan) , thus in most cases 3.1% of voting shares controls most companies. sg

  9. Bennett(Watergate),Whitney(FreePortSulfur,American History Lone gunman article),drugs(Ruby-FBN informant),GHWB.......

    http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-03/history-wirt-dexter-walker-russell-company-cia-and-911#_edn16

    the oneness of it all.............Golly I forgot BAKER who in 1964,in the BANK ONE Deal,worked with a Italian family whose attorney was the PERMINDEX attorney....didnt the Baker family support Col House ??....that would take us into the topic of central banking.....Humm...didnt JFK try some central banking control in the summer of 63 ???????????? sg

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