Edward T. Haslam: Dr. Mary’s Monkey

[Pamela Brown]

I've been working on this on and off for more than 20 years. I've shared many things with many researchers and a bunch of stuff on the Internet. I have to keep at least a few things for the book.

I acknowledge that Pamela McElwain-Brown (who is admittedly in touch with Baker) feels that there is a POSSIBILITY that Ferrie had a lab and white mice in 1963 in his apartment on Louisiana Avenue Parkway. As Haslam actually presents no evidence to prove this, I have tried to verify it by other sources (friends, landlord, pictures, documents and other sources) but have thus far been unable to prove it. And in fact, there are quite a few who assert that there were no mice or labs there at that time.

The length of time you have been researching Ferrie is of less significance to me that the orientation that you maintain.

I get the impression you are tiptoeing through the raindrops rather than embracing whatever information is available and then weighing and evaluating it.

IMO you are choosing to nitpik the mice and cancer issues. Why not simply present all the information available and allow people to decide for themselves rather than trying to spoonfeed us with what you think is 'verified'? There were mice in Ferrie's apartment at one time at least and he was interested in researching cancer.

Haslam has a tendency to reach out with information for which he doesn't have corroboration. He leaves the door open for future research to take place. He seems to acknowledge that he doesn't have all the answers, while attempting to make some good guesses about thinks he believes might have taken place. That kind of orientation makes for very interesting and valuable reading.

[Stephen Roy]

I don't understand your first paragraph about tiptoeing through the raindrops. I am certainly trying to weigh evidence and will report that to readers. As I've said many times before, some things we think we know about Ferrie pan out, and some don't.

I HAVE presented the evidence regarding the mice and cancer issues. Do a newsgroup search. Rather than just quoting other book, I have hunted down and quoted the primary sources. A few people who knew Ferrie said he was interested in medicine and wanted to find a cure for cancer (from which his mother suffered.) And there is one document that seems to indicate that he had mice in his Vinet Avenue apartment in 1957. I've said all this before.

Haslam DOES have a tendency to reach, and to state as fact things that are only speculations. All I am saying is: Be cautious in reading his books, seek alternate sources.

[Bill Byas]

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Edited July 6, 2008 by Bill Byas

[Dave Weaver]

Bill,

to say Wim has stolen the password seems not to be correct.

Peter left his password for the mail application on Wims laptop (remember windows programs

asking if the password/login name should be stored ? ), knowingly or unknowingly,

when he and Wim shared Wims laptop.

What Wim did was a dumb act, and I think he never denied it, but must not be confused

with hacking a mailbox.

The rest is between him, Peter and the dutch legal system, and not our business.

If you let the car keys in the car, you must not wonder if the car is taken for a test ride

by someone else.

I am not defending Wims deed, just Mr. Jaap made a wrong statement IMO.

[Bill Byas]

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Edited July 6, 2008 by Bill Byas

[Dave Weaver]

Bill,

to say Wim has stolen the password seems not to be correct.

Peter left his password for the mail application on Wims laptop (remember windows programs

asking if the password/login name should be stored ? ), knowingly or unknowingly,

when he and Wim shared Wims laptop.

What Wim did was a dumb act, and I think he never denied it, but must not be confused

with hacking a mailbox.

The rest is between him, Peter and the dutch legal system, and not our business.

If you let the car keys in the car, you must not wonder if the car is taken for a test ride

by someone else.

I am not defending Wims deed, just Mr. Jaap made a wrong statement IMO.

I do'nt know but what the above individial said. Did indeed Mr. Wim go to prison? If so what was the charge?

Sorry for all the questions. I tried Google but could'nt find anything in English.

Bill

Bill,

I think Wim posted smt about it on this forum.

I just wanted to point out smt I know was stated wrong by Mr. Holzapfel.

[Daniel Marvin]

John, et al,

I am very busy with my professional life at the moment and have not had time to participate in this forum.

Perhaps that will change one day, but for the moment I have to focus on other things.

Thanks for your interest.

Ed Haslam

author of DR. MARY'S MONKEY

www.TheMonkeyVirus.com

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Edward, I understand your focus on other matters at this time. What you did by writing "Dr Mary's Monkey" was an act of courage and an honorable attempt to bet oour Congress to truly investigate the murder of JFK, CIA agents, during their TOP SECRET instruction on assassinations and terror to my class at the JFK Center for Special Warfare in the Spring of 1964 supported what JVB told you. In fact the agents clearly spelled out the use of two American Mafia hit men (one of which is my friend Jimmy Files) and two Corsican Mafia hit men and "spotters" to take out President Kennedy. They told how one of the American Mafia hit men was on the grassy knoll and the other on the roof top of the building adjacent to the Texas Book Depository. They corroborated what you wrote of Judyth Vary Baker's "take" on page 328 of DMM by telling us that Lee Harvey Oswlad was not the man who killed Kennedy. I have offered to tell the truth before Congress as has Jimmy Files, Dennis David and Jerry Willsey. Congres fears what the CIA would do to them should they call us forward.

Edited August 25, 2008 by Daniel Marvin

[Daniel Marvin]

John, et al,

I am very busy with my professional life at the moment and have not had time to participate in this forum.

Perhaps that will change one day, but for the moment I have to focus on other things.

Thanks for your interest.

Ed Haslam

author of DR. MARY'S MONKEY

www.TheMonkeyVirus.com

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Edward, I understand your focus on other matters at this time. What you did by writing "Dr Mary's Monkey" was an act of courage and an honorable attempt to bet our Congress to truly investigate the murder of JFK, CIA agents, during their TOP SECRET instruction on assassinations and terror to my class at the JFK Center for Special Warfare in the Spring of 1964 supported what JVB told you. In fact the agents clearly spelled out the use of two American Mafia hit men (one of which is my friend Jimmy Files) and two Corsican Mafia hit men and "spotters" to take out President Kennedy. They told how one of the American Mafia hit men was on the grassy knoll and the other on the roof top of the building adjacent to the Texas Book Depository. They corroborated what you wrote of Judyth Vary Baker's "take" on page 328 of DMM by telling us that Lee Harvey Oswlad was not the man who killed Kennedy. I have offered to tell the truth before Congress as has Jimmy Files, Dennis David and Jerry Willsey. Congres fears what the CIA would do to them should they call us forward. A good share of my experience in dealing with the CIA in assassinations was covered at the trial in the Federal Court House in Charleston, SC in January of 2006 when the Special Operations' folks, no doubt inspired or pushed by the CIA trie in vain to kill my book "Expendable Elite - One Soldier's Journey Into Covert Warfare."

Retired US Army LTC Dan Marvin

[John Simkin]

John, et al,

I am very busy with my professional life at the moment and have not had time to participate in this forum.

Perhaps that will change one day, but for the moment I have to focus on other things.

Thanks for your interest.

Ed Haslam

author of DR. MARY'S MONKEY

www.TheMonkeyVirus.com

Thought it might be worth giving this thread a bump.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

JIM COMMENTS ON JOHN SIMKIN'S PRESENTATION OF ED HASLAM'S BOOK

On the Judyth thread, Simkin states, "Ed Haslam is a member of this forum

but was unhappy about discussing Judyth Baker." I am in close contact with

Ed Haslam and his preference is to defer discussion until her book, ME & LEE,

has appeared so there will be a reference for public discussion. Anyone who

is reading the Judyth thread will be aware that Ed supports the authenticity of

Judyth's role in the mysterious events in New Orleans. He has already agreed

to a two-hour interview on "The Real Deal" as soon as her book has appeared.

Here Simkin expresses disapproval of the appendix, "Judyth's Story", which is

absurd given Chapter 13, "The Witness", is about her. It is not the last chapter

nor did Ed Haslam "recruit" Judyth to substantiate his story, as Simkin claims.

Simkin seems intent upon spinning situations to the detriment of Judyth. I

find this offensive coming from the founder of a forum which is ostensibly

dedicated to discovering the truth in controversial and complex situations.

I think remarks like Simkin's do not contribute toward that goal. Here are

some snags from Ed's DR. MARY'S MONKEY plus my interview, which was

conducted last Thursday, April 8th, for example, and was first broadcast

on Friday and will be repeated today on revereradio.net from 5-7 PM/CT.

Go to http://www.youtube.com/user/LolaHeavey

Ed Haslam grew up with these events swirling around him. He even asked

his father on his death bed to share information he had withheld from him:

For more, including an excellent chapter from MARY, FERRIE, AND THE MONKEY

VIRUS, go to http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/04/ed...rys-monkey.html

Mr Hogan,

Thank you for sharing this with us. This all happened in Bradenton, FL?

Glenn, I met Ed Haslam in Tampa, Florida (About one hour north of Bradenton) at

a meeting sponsored by the South Florida Research Group. They are based in Miami.

Mr. Haslam was discussing his research and his book that had just been published.

The Judyth Baker story was a very small part of his presentation.

Ed Haslam is a member of this forum but was unhappy about discussing Judyth Baker.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10653

I have just finished reading Edward T. Haslam’s Dr. Mary’s Monkey. It is a book I highly recommend to all members of the forum. It is extremely well-written and is in the style of Gaeton Fonzi’s “The Last Investigation”. It contains a great deal of new information about the death of Dr. Mary Sherman and the possible links with the assassination of JFK. My only problem with the book is the final chapter where Ed recruits Judyth Vary Baker to support his theory about the links between Sherman, Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald. However, this should not be allowed to distract from the valuable research that Ed Haslam has carried out.

Ed is a member of the forum and I hope he will join us in discussing “Dr. Mary’s Monkey: How the Unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assassination and emerging global epidemics.”

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/026-...x=12&Go.y=8

Edited April 12, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Peter McGuire]

I have just finished the book myself.

John are you saying that you do not agree that the answers to the core questions posed by Haslam on page 289 should all be answered yes?

Haslam's responses to these questions seem to answer them quite well. Care to share with us why you do not accept these?

"It's time to get to the core questions about Judyth Vary Baker. I consider these three most important:"

1. Is she the real Judyth Vary Baker from Bradenton, Florida?

2. Did Judyth know Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963?

3. Was Judyth trained to handle cancer viruses before going to New Orleans?

Haslam has answered these questions to my satisfaction.

On page 283 Ed Haslam reports that a fellow writer told him on the publication of Mary, Ferrie & the Monkey Virus in 1995: “You have everything except a witness”. This witness came forward in the form of Judyth Vary Baker in 2000. In his book, “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” Haslam attempts to use Baker’s story to support his own theory about the death of Mary Sherman.

There are two major problems with this. First of all, Baker could well have read Haslam’s first book, and therefore is only giving back what he has already written about the secret research project.

The second problem is that the story that Baker was pushing in 2000 does not support the theory put forward by Haslam in 2007. For example, this was the story that Baker was telling in 2000.

John,

You seem trapped in your own catch-22 here. First, you seem to be assuming that Haslam had no involvement with a Judyth Vary Baker until the year 2000 when Judyth conveniently appeared. That is not so. He met someone saying they were Judyth Vary Baker some time before. Therefore, when he met the actual Judyth Vary Baker, his curiosity was already more than piqued.

The fact that you are implying that Ed would use Judyth simply because she was convenient and not because he found her credible points to your having a lack of faith in Ed's ethics. How can you then comfortably recommend the rest of his book?

You also complain that Judyth might have read Ed's book before coming forward. But then you appear surprised that Judyth's statements are not identical to Ed's. That seems to show a narrow focus that has led to an equally narrow conclusion. Why not just suppose that Judyth's statements are hers from her experiences, and that Ed's investigation is in some ways parallel but in some ways different?

Then you are comfortable not comparing Judyth to Ed. (I don't think Ed will mind.) Judyth is a witness. Ed is a researcher.

Judyth is documented to have been in New Orleans in the summer of 63. She is documented to have worked at Reily with Lee Oswald. And she is documented to have had success in cancer research involving rats. She just happens to plop down in New Orleans.

Lee Oswald then ends up the accused assassin of JFK, conveniently murdered while in police custody. The Warren Commission knows about the events in New Orleans but refuses to investigate, burying them in the Warren Report H&E. Then cancer specialist Dr. Mary Sherman is murdered in New Orleans at the time the Warren Report is published. Garrison reads the H&E and realizes what has happened. He decides to investigate and runs into a hornet's nest. Later, David Ferrie ends up dead, while Clay Shaw goes free. Garrison's work leaves tantalizing leads to rats and cancer research involving David Ferrie. Do we as researchers now want to open doors and walk through them, as Ed has, or try to close them?

Edited July 4, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Peter McGuire]

"It's time to get to the core questions about Judyth Vary Baker. I consider these three most important:"

1. Is she the real Judyth Vary Baker from Bradenton, Florida?

2. Did Judyth know Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963?

3. Was Judyth trained to handle cancer viruses before going to New Orleans?

Can anyone really say that Haslam has not answered these questions to your satisfaction?

Speak now, or forever hold your opinion.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Bernice Moore]

PETER ; QUTE "Speak now, or forever hold your opinion.'" HUH ?? NO WAY;;;WHO SAYS ?? PETER, I TAKE IT THIS IS ONLY YOUR OPINION, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, IT SURE AS HECK IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE NOR I DOUBT IS IT EVERYONE ELSES OPINION. ..

YOU MUST BE KIDDING,AS NO ONE CAN TELL ANYONE THAT THEY MUST NOW SPEAK OR NEVER CAN, NO ONE CAN PULL THIS SORT OF CRAP AND GET AWAY WITH IT, RECALL FOS,FOR ALL AND EVERY MEMBER, THANK YOU..B

[Peter McGuire]

Bernice; so what is your opinion on the matter? Don't hold anything back now.

( I do mean the matter of the three core questions)

Edited July 13, 2010 by Peter McGuire

[Bernice Moore]

Bernice; so what is your opinion on the matter? Don't hold anything back now.

( I do mean the matter of the three core questions)

AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINON ON PETER ; QUOTE "Speak now, or forever hold your opinion.'" HUH ?? NO WAY;;;WHO SAYS ?? PETER, I TAKE IT THIS IS ONLY YOUR OPINION, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, IT SURE AS HECK IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE NOR I DOUBT IS IT EVERYONE ELSES OPINION. ..

JUDYTH IS FROM BRADENTON FLORIDA NOW, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE SUPPOSEDLY IF OTHER FIRST JUDY WAS FROM, THERE IS ONLY THE PROOF SHE AND LHO WORKED AT RILEYS AT THE SAME TIME THAT IS DOCUMENTED, OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS SOME PEOPLES RECALL..WHICH IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL OF WHETHER THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY NOW AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OR NOT,SOME DO BELIEVE LATE APPEARING WITNESSES SOME DO NOT, AS FAR AS WAS SHE TRAINED BEFORE, WELL PETER I DO NOT THINK ED HAS PROVEN ANY OF THESE POSITIVELY IMO.WHICH IS MY RIGHT NO MATTER WHO DOES NOT LIKE IT, TOUGH, ..I HOPE THAT IS CLEAR ENOUGH. NOW AS TO YOUR REPLY TO MY OPINION IN REGARDS TO YOUR POST THAT READ AS A PROCLAMATION COMMAND ...B

Edited July 14, 2010 by Bernice Moore