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talk to Gary, son..... ya need his email address and/or his phone number? You'd be surprised what LIFE and the Zapruder trust turned over top the 6th floor... Rumor has it one of the 3 original Jamieson film dupes is there too...... Do some research kid! Good for the soul!

I have talked to Gary about this stuff and it is exactly why I have asked you to cite when and to whom you made a request to anyone asking to view the Life Magazine slides. The question still stands and will continue to do so until you have answered it because we both know that you are once again posting about something you know nothing about. We both know that I am right or you'd jump at the chance to finally prove me wrong.

The other part of your silly response mentions the word 'rumor', which is basically all you ever bring to these discussions. Have you ever considered going beyond the rumors for your research purposes??? Below is something I found on a forum where your name was mentioned ... it is worth reading. (see below)

Bill Miller

"It's possible that 911 was faked, that the moon landings were produced in Arizona, and that we're all living in the Matrix. It's possible that the Secret Service, with 24 hour access to the President, with a thousand different ways of killing him undetectably said to themselves "Let's have one of our own agents do it with a gun, in front of witnesses and make sure somebody films it so we'll have to alter the film and alter the body and fake the autopsy" Hey, if we're using David Healy as an authority anything is possible"

Gary Mack knows where to drop me a note, or post right here in this thread...he has absolutely no reason to ask wannabe employee such as yourself to do his grunt work, now does he?

Who is the quote in your signature block attributed to son, yourself? You can tell us, I won't tell a soul. Oh, I see Mikey Williams got his biography request forum on Lancer, and to think Mikey just showed up out of nowhere.... alas, we do understand disinfo specialists aren't steeped in research skills... Carry-on Top! LMFAO!

David Healy

p.s. what do moon-landings, 911, Matrix, Secret Service have to do with this thread entitled Mike Williams?

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* The Lancer Server will no longer recognize me, otherwise would provide that topic in which Williams is informing the "Gang" that the Carcano has a progressive gain twist.

Would one suppose that I am being "punished" for picking on so many of their "highly reliable" sources?

Certainly hope that you can at least shoot Mike!

Not much else left!

I suppose....

I don't think there are any JFK assassination "sources" alive these days, just disinfo agents running amuck -- passing on what THEY think you want to hear. Or, simply what they want YOU to hear....

Edited by David G. Healy

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THEY[/b] think you want to hear. Or, simply what they want YOU to hear....

Yes ... and I have been asking one of them in particular just who has he requested to provide the Life Magazine Zfilm slides and what their answer was, but it appears that he was merely blowing off his mouth as usual and has made no such request. That would be the same guy who has said that he believes the Zfilm is altered and that he has seen no proof of alteration on the Zfilm .... talk about saying what people want to hear .... LOL!!!

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Gary Mack knows where to drop me a note, or post right here in this thread...

Why on earth would Gary Mack want to drop you a note ... Gary is not asking the questions - you are!!! The forum rules don't allow us to call another member 'stupid', so I won't. But if there is another word for the things you say that is allowable, then I would be happy to use it.

Now back to the issue ... Mack knows where the Life Magazine slides are that you have proclaimed to be at the 6th Floor Museum. You have complained about not getting to see them. My request is a simple one that any honest sincere researcher should be able to answer. Once again, 'To whom have you submitted a request asking to examine the slides that you speak of and what was their answer?' If you have not requested to see them and were just blowing off once again so to seem important, then OK ... just say so.

he has absolutely no reason to ask wannabe employee such as yourself to do his grunt work, now does he?

If you could read even at the level of a 5 year old ... you would have noticed that it was I who contacted Mack on this subject a long time ago. Gary doesn't ask me to post anything ... I only share the knowledge I have learned by contacting him in pursuit of my research questions.

Who is the quote in your signature block attributed to son, yourself? You can tell us, I won't tell a soul. Oh, I see Mikey Williams got his biography request forum on Lancer, and to think Mikey just showed up out of nowhere.... alas, we do understand disinfo specialists aren't steeped in research skills... Carry-on Top! LMFAO!

David Healy

You and I are on the same plane on this one ... neither one of us knows what you are talking about.

p.s. what do moon-landings, 911, Matrix, Secret Service have to do with this thread entitled Mike Williams?

I reckon that they have about as much to do with JFK's assassination as the say-nothing responses that you continually post. But the use of that particular quote goes to the lack of reasoning that I get from reading the things you say. With some of you it isn't about the evidence, but rather a belief system. I mean, how dumb is it to only sit back and claim anyone who challenges film alteration to be a lone-nutter. That kind of idiocy supports the idea that you are merely a cult follower. This is just why when you whine about not getting to examine the Life slides as if you are being disallowed to see them ... I ask questions to see if you are merely grand-standing or have you really made a sincere effort in the matter to get them examined. Your responses seem to reflect the latter.

Bill Miller

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'Bill Miller' dronned....

Gary Mack knows where to drop me a note, or post right here in this thread...

Why on earth would Gary Mack want to drop you a note ... Gary is not asking the questions - you are!!! The forum rules don't allow us to call another member 'stupid', so I won't. But if there is another word for the things you say that is allowable, then I would be happy to use it.

dgh: Gary's a big boy, neigh on 60 years old.... Don't you think he's old enough to post here, the best he's got here is YOU? LMFAO! My Wild Bill is stretching here.... Can't try an act like your from the elite son when your from the wrong side of the tracks.... And forum rules don't call for me calling you a no-nothing mpron either, so I won't do that.... (Hi Kathy Beckett, you can hold Wild Bills coat while he waves his handkerchief at me)*****

Now back to the issue ...

dgh: finally *****

Mack knows where the Life Magazine slides are that you have proclaimed to be at the 6th Floor Museum.

dgh: duh, of course he does -- and you're GMack's mouthpiece here.... pass the info on... he can drop us both a note, eh?*****

You have complained about not getting to see them. My request is a simple one that any honest sincere researcher should be able to answer. Once again, 'To whom have you submitted a request asking to examine the slides that you speak of and what was their answer?' If you have not requested to see them and were just blowing off once again so to seem important, then OK ... just say so.

dgh: Why are you lying, Miller? The research community WANTS a copy of those images..... what's the big deal? You Lone Nutters got your guy, all tied up with a bow in that neat little WCR (that no one believes) Little bit of history scare ya?*****

Bill Miller

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dgh: Gary's a big boy, neigh on 60 years old.... Don't you think he's old enough to post here, the best he's got here is YOU? LMFAO! My Wild Bill is stretching here.... Can't try an act like your from the elite son when your from the wrong side of the tracks.... And forum rules don't call for me calling you a no-nothing mpron either, so I won't do that.... (Hi Kathy Beckett, you can hold Wild Bills coat while he waves his handkerchief at me)*****

Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour

Now back to the issue ...

dgh: finally *****

Yes finally. How many times have you been asked to post to whom you made a request to examine the Life slides and what was the response that you were given ... care to tell us 'FINALLY'! LOL!!!!!!

dgh: duh, of course he does -- and you're GMack's mouthpiece here.... pass the info on... he can drop us both a note, eh?*****

What's Mack got to do with anything ... It was YOU who has said that the Museum has the Life Magazine Zfilm slides and I have asked you repeatedly to tell this forum where you got that information. It really looks like you just made the whole thing up and thats why you cannot cite who it was that requested such information from.

dgh: Why are you lying, Miller? The research community WANTS a copy of those images..... what's the big deal? You Lone Nutters got your guy, all tied up with a bow in that neat little WCR (that no one believes) Little bit of history scare ya?*****

A COPY??? You are the one always posting that copies are no good - you always say that the originals should be provided for examination. Do you need time to tweak your position or do you want to leave it as just another instance of David Healy contradicting himself again.

I will ask you again ... To whom did you seek to examine the Life Magazine Zapruder film slides and what was the answer that you got in return??? It just seems meaningless to complain about a service that you never sought in the first place. So let us hear how your request was denied and by whom? After all, you want to be a big shot, so you had to know that I would call you on this .... lay it on us David 'Baghdad Bob' Healy! (smile~)

Bill Miller

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I have a strong background in ballistics, ammunitions, and weapons.

Mike Williams

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...c=4781&st=0

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The older model Rifle/Long Rifle had a barrel length of 30.7 inches, with what is referred to as a right-hand/progressive gain twist/rifling.

Therefore, the closer the bullet came to exiting the end of the rifle, the more spin was imparted to the bullet, which is an essential element of stable flight for the round.

When these rifles were converted to Carbines, the barrel was shortened to the standard barrel lenght of the TS Carbine.

That being, 17.7 inches in length barrels.

Therefore, the forward most 13 inches of the rifle barrel was cut and removed in order to make the barrel now correspond to the TS Carbine length.

In doing this, that portion of the rifle barrel in which the exiting bullet gained the most spin due to the "progressive gain/twist" had now been cut and removed from the weapon.

The loss of this critical portion of the rifle now created a weapon in which inadequate spin was imparted to the bullet/round as it passed through the now shortened rifle barrel. Thereby creating a somewhat unstable bullet flight path.

Even were one to take an absolutely new/never been fired Carcano Rifle with the progressive gain twist, and cut and remove the foreward 13 inches of the barrel,

the weapon could not be made to hold an accurate shot pattern grouping.

Tail wobble on the bullet due to inadequate spin/rotation would create an unstable flight pattern for which no compensation could predict or correct for.

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Now! For those who still have access*, in event that one will visit LANCER, they will find that Mr. Williams is informing everyone that the CARCANO had progressive gain twist.

NOPE!

ONLY the (long) Rifle was produced with the progressive gain twist. Neither of the model 91/38 Short Rifle's or any of the original Carbines (TS Carbine & Cavalry Carbine) were produced with "Progressive Gain Twist".

As long ago explained, this is the reason that many of the so called "Carbines" are so inaccurate.

These Model 91/24 Carbines are in fact old Long Rifles which were reduced in length to the 36-inch carbine length by cutting off and removing the forward portion of the rifle barrel.

Which destroyed any accuracy ability with the rifle.

When in fact, ONLY the Long Rifle ever had Progressive Gain Twist to begin with.

And even this was deleted by the 1930's.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQ..._n19313646/pg_2

The early Mannlicher-Carcano's were cut with gain-twist rifling. This unique system of rifling was not entirely new, having been used in a number of earlier black-powder rifles and artillery pieces. The initial twist in the rifling at the breech of the M91 begins with a twist rate of 1:19.25" and finishes tip at the muzzle with a twist rate of 1:8.25". When matched properly to the correct bullet with the right velocity, it can be amazingly accurate. However the small amount of advantage gained relative to the expense in manufacturing eventually lead to the abandoning of this system of rifling in the late 1930's.

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* The Lancer Server will no longer recognize me, otherwise would provide that topic in which Williams is informing the "Gang" that the Carcano has a progressive gain twist.

Would one suppose that I am being "punished" for picking on so many of their "highly reliable" sources?

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Certainly hope that you can at least shoot Mike!

Not much else left!

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p..._id=1&page=

"Worthy of note is the fact that the Oswald Carcano incorporated progressive rifling. Meaning the twist rate was increased the closer the round traveled towards the muzzle."

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Son Tay, and the whole McDonald mess lends to credibility. Im sure you can figure this out with a little effort.

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lends to credibility. Im sure you can figure this out with a little effort.

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Yep! On that, one can agree.

It all lends to "credibility"!

What is even worse than the continued spreading of incorrect and misleading information, is that with some "psuedo-credentials", BS such as the Carcano clip; the Bullet/CE399/the Rifle; etc; etc; etc;, continues to mound faster than it can be leveled back down to the simple and basic facts.

Often makes on think that they are dealing with another "Al Carrier" (in cognito)!

BM, Please be so kind as to "trot" out your next "EXPERT"!

P.S. For some excellent reading by none other than a Dallas resident.

http://www.stolenvalor.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor_Act_of_2005

"There are also large numbers of fake Navy SEALS[11][12] and Army Special Forces,[13] among others."

Perhaps WIKIPEDIA and Burkett should begin to dig more deeply into the "SNIPER/SCOUT SNIPER" category, with particular interest in the "Marathon Station Scout Sniper School".

As well as the backgrounds of a few others who have a tendancey to somewhat "overstate" exactly who and what they were and/or may have been.

As "dingy" as he may be, and as ridiculous as some of his claims are. at least Dan Marvin was assigned to and served in Special Forces.

(to my and a lot of others personal embarassment I might add!)

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'Bill Miller' dronned:

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dgh: Why are you lying, Miller? The research community WANTS a copy of those images..... what's the big deal? You Lone Nutters got your guy, all tied up with a bow in that neat little WCR (that no one believes) Little bit of history scare ya?*****

A COPY??? You are the one always posting that copies are no good - you always say that the originals should be provided for examination. Do you need time to tweak your position or do you want to leave it as just another instance of David Healy contradicting himself again.

dgh: follow the bouncing ball, young Billy ((do we elders have to do ALL your work,eh?).... The certified 1st generation LIFE 4x5 Z-frame trannies provided for duplication. The duplication session I will supervise (following so far?), I leave with the duplication set, the 6th Floor keeps the original LIFE trannies (still with me, kid?) I make available to the research community the entire set of 4x5 trannies or 35mm copies of same (not going to fast, am I?)....

Just pass the message on, sonny -- the service you render here is nearly over.....

Bhagdad?.... (Can always tell when I get under your skin, AGAIN....) LMFAO*****

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Bill Miller

Edited by David G. Healy

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dgh: follow the bouncing ball, young Billy ((do we elders have to do ALL your work,eh?).... The certified 1st generation LIFE 4x5 Z-frame trannies provided for duplication. The duplication session I will supervise (following so far?), I leave with the duplication set, the 6th Floor keeps the original LIFE trannies (still with me, kid?) I make available to the research community the entire set of 4x5 trannies or 35mm copies of same (not going to fast, am I?)....

Just pass the message on, sonny -- the service you render here is nearly over.....

Bhagdad?.... (Can always tell when I get under your skin, AGAIN....) LMFAO*****

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Bill Miller

Do we need to go back into your past responses and put up where you have complained over and over that seeing copies tells us nothing ... that you need the originals??? So its not you that gets under my skin ... its the double-talk that you do so much of that gets ridiculous.

And if you are going to oversee anything ... at least find out where the Life stills are or else you'll be going to the wrong location and then be posting how everyone conspired to keep you from being there when the work was done. LOL!!!

Bill Miller

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dgh: follow the bouncing ball, young Billy ((do we elders have to do ALL your work,eh?).... The certified 1st generation LIFE 4x5 Z-frame trannies provided for duplication. The duplication session I will supervise (following so far?), I leave with the duplication set, the 6th Floor keeps the original LIFE trannies (still with me, kid?) I make available to the research community the entire set of 4x5 trannies or 35mm copies of same (not going to fast, am I?)....

Just pass the message on, sonny -- the service you render here is nearly over.....

Bhagdad?.... (Can always tell when I get under your skin, AGAIN....) LMFAO*****

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Bill Miller

Do we need to go back into your past responses and put up where you have complained over and over that seeing copies tells us nothing ... that you need the originals??? So its not you that gets under my skin ... its the double-talk that you do so much of that gets ridiculous.

And if you are going to oversee anything ... at least find out where the Life stills are or else you'll be going to the wrong location and then be posting how everyone conspired to keep you from being there when the work was done. LOL!!!

Bill Miller

Have Gary Mack make the request son, if you don't know ask him.... I've no further time for wannabes and/or self-proclaimed film.photo researchers....

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Have Gary Mack make the request son, if you don't know ask him.... I've no further time for wannabes and/or self-proclaimed film.photo researchers....

You have time to xxxxx like a big-shot, but no time to request to see the slides ... TYPICALLY DAVID HEALY RESPONSE!!! I knew you had not requested to see those slides when it was apparent that you didn't even know where they were. I think everyone can see where you are coming from and asking Gary Mack to make a request to Life Magazine on your behalf doesn't even pass the laugh test. It seems that a rational person who is even remotely serious about all of this would make his own request by detailing his experience and his reasons for wanting to examine the slides. Anything short of that is ridiculous even by the lowest of standards.

Bill Miller

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And About That Instigator, Charles Douglas Givens, From My Previous Post...???

Check out the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry9n8Uew4gE

Edited by Mike Regan

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AND THEN, FOLKS...??? The COVER-UP BEGINS...

Here's another link for ya'...

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