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OK, I'm not a moderator...but the Miller argumentation/namecalling threads already have "Gordon Arnold" in the title. Let's not bring these petty squabbles over here.

I'm curious to find out who Von Pein actually is [i'm assuming it's a nom de plume], and I don't need another thread to ignore because of the juvenile squabbling.

I would also like to know who the guy is because he is one of the most biased people I have ever seen post and no one, not even Oswald, was always right or wrong. Pein seemed bent on propaganda.

As far as insults ... I see the dog pack mentality has gotten to you because while I despise Pein ... it seems that if someone like myself would only get behind the pack and make fun of the guy as well and/or bad mouth him in other ways, then its a good thing and I'm one of you. Sorry - it just doesn't work that way, Mark. And next time .... speak up about insults 10 post earlier and you'll sound more sincere.

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I do not know David von Pein, but I have emailed Dave Reitzes a few times, and always found him to be a very polite and sincere person. While I do not agree with alot of what he says, the level of discussion is always done with great respect.

I have read that he is not interested in joining this forum, because he believes all that will occur from his posting will be alot of namecalling, and to tell you the truth, he is probably right.

Shame.

Kathy

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Edited by Kathy Beckett

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I do not know David von Pein, but I have emailed Dave Reitzes a few times, and always found him to be a very polite and sincere person. While I do not agree with alot of what he says, the level of discussion is always done with great respect.

I have read that he is not interested in joining this forum, because he believes all that will occur from his posting will be alot of namecalling, and to tell you the truth, he is probably right.

Shame.

Kathy

There is a point when David von Pein and Dave Reitzes reached where they could have become legitimate independent researchers and knowing the basic background of the case, forged new information, unearthed new documents, find a fresh witness, and expanded our knowledge of the assassination. Instead they decided to become debunkers and one of Prof. Rahn's coincdentialists.

BK

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I do not know David von Pein, but I have emailed Dave Reitzes a few times, and always found him to be a very polite and sincere person. While I do not agree with alot of what he says, the level of discussion is always done with great respect.

I have read that he is not interested in joining this forum, because he believes all that will occur from his posting will be alot of namecalling, and to tell you the truth, he is probably right.

Shame.

Kathy

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Kathy,

Reitzes relentlessly savaged Martin Shackelford for years on alt.assassination.jfk

over the JV Baker fiasco.

It was way over the top in terms of vicious disrespect, no matter how wrong Martin

was about the ridiculous Ms. Baker.

Maybe you missed it.

Reitzes loves to dish it out -- but he can't take the heat while defending his

LN nonsense.

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The one place I've found Mr. von Pein 24/7 is the Internet Movie Database (IMDB) on the Oliver Stone movie "JFK". He, and his cronies are on there all day, all night blasting anyone who even asks the most innocent question. Some on there say he and about 6 others are all the same person. The all agree with each other that anyone who questions the official version is obviously nuts. He posts there under "DVP-1" and probably other names as well, such as "NickSlickReturns".

I know the JFK movie discussion board on the IMDB isn't for serious researchers, but I worry about younger people who's first exposure to the assassination discussion is that board, and they end up falling right into his (and others) lone nutter grasp.

JWK

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I do not know David von Pein, but I have emailed Dave Reitzes a few times, and always found him to be a very polite and sincere person. While I do not agree with alot of what he says, the level of discussion is always done with great respect.

I have read that he is not interested in joining this forum, because he believes all that will occur from his posting will be alot of namecalling, and to tell you the truth, he is probably right.

Shame.

Kathy

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If one can not take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

If anything one has to present can not withstand the test of scrutiny, then might I recommend that

one stay somewhere else as well.

"Stupid is as Stupid Does", and I might add that it should be fully pointed out for all to see and laugh

at in order to hopefully put a cease to the continued spread of STUPID!

Hopefully, this forum will at some point in time actually live up to the full capacity of it's name.

More "STUPID", be it those who cannot accept the WC as being an intentional lie, or those who chase

mythological creatures through Dealey Plaza, most certainly will not live up to or help with the name and reputation of this forum.

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I do not know David von Pein, but I have emailed Dave Reitzes a few times, and always found him to be a very polite and sincere person. While I do not agree with alot of what he says, the level of discussion is always done with great respect.

I have read that he is not interested in joining this forum, because he believes all that will occur from his posting will be alot of namecalling, and to tell you the truth, he is probably right.

Shame.

Kathy

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The question has been raised whether "DVP" is a persona or an actual person. Nobody has met this guy. He refuses to post a photo. He has no background. Equally curious, he has not jumped up to respond to the question on aaj in a forthcoming manner; in fact, he ridicules my request for documentation, the same sort of information that we provide here in our bio and that I have provided at my websites for over 10 years. If this does not cause you to ask questions, why bother to research at all? Why not just accept as 'fact' everything that anybody says to you?

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Reitzes relentlessly savaged Martin Shackelford for years on alt.assassination.jfk

over the JV Baker fiasco.

It was way over the top in terms of vicious disrespect, no matter how wrong Martin

was about the ridiculous Ms. Baker.

Maybe you missed it.

Reitzes loves to dish it out -- but he can't take the heat while defending his

LN nonsense.

Reitzes anti-Judyth and anti-Martin propaganda pages are full of libel. He has the nerve to ask for donations to support his hosting them. That speaks volumes. He doesn't have the guts to post here, but instead drags links over to aaj where he can say anything he wants while those who oppose him are censored. That is the earmark of a bully -- only playing on a slanted field.

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Does Von Pein a member here?

No, Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two points.

He's concerned about his "privacy"?

He calls Simkin a crackpot and me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?

Says he's from Indiana?

And, Where exactly did he go to school with Gus Russo?

Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk

From: slats <o...@yahoo.com>

Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:51:36 -0500

Local: Sat, Jan 31 2009 12:51 am

Subject: Re: Pam & friends gossip about me & DVP

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David Von Pein <davevonp<A href="http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?_done=/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/ecfe599fc1affbb1/53da767d334d2070&msg=912fbc1f4e9aa1f7" target=_parent>...@aol.com> wrote in news:b2dc0111-1b85-4de3-bad2-

df9a3b1d5...@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

> That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It

> Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him

> This Name" Purvis back in September '08.

Crackpot Simkin and his flying monkies really do give Nixon a run for his

money in the paranoia department. During my brief stay there, the locals

were *obsessed* with my listed occupation, demanding to know more about my

work. More than a few suggested that I might be a government "plant."

Thank God I didn't submit my real photo (they had no right to that anyway;

that goes double for my real name). The vast majority of them are

unhinged, Bush-hating leftists who bewailed things like FISA and the

Patriot Act to no end, yet didn't think twice about compromising MY

privacy. A pox on all of them.

xxxx

http://www.davidvonpein.blogspot.com/

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Does Von Pein a member here?

No, Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two points.

He's concerned about his "privacy"?

He calls Simkin a crackpot and me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?

Says he's from Indiana?

And, Where exactly did he go to school with Gus Russo?

Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk

From: slats <o...@yahoo.com>

Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:51:36 -0500

Local: Sat, Jan 31 2009 12:51 am

Subject: Re: Pam & friends gossip about me & DVP

Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author

David Von Pein <davevonp<A href="http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?_done=/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/ecfe599fc1affbb1/53da767d334d2070&msg=912fbc1f4e9aa1f7" target=_parent>...@aol.com> wrote in news:b2dc0111-1b85-4de3-bad2-

df9a3b1d5...@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

> That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It

> Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him

> This Name" Purvis back in September '08.

Crackpot Simkin and his flying monkies really do give Nixon a run for his

money in the paranoia department. During my brief stay there, the locals

were *obsessed* with my listed occupation, demanding to know more about my

work. More than a few suggested that I might be a government "plant."

Thank God I didn't submit my real photo (they had no right to that anyway;

that goes double for my real name). The vast majority of them are

unhinged, Bush-hating leftists who bewailed things like FISA and the

Patriot Act to no end, yet didn't think twice about compromising MY

privacy. A pox on all of them.

xxxx

http://www.davidvonpein.blogspot.com/

Oh the irony! Von Pein complaining about Bush-haters! His hero Bugliosi has revealed himself to be a bigger Bush-hating leftist than anyone here, telling a recent audience that he doesn't want Bush prosecuted for fraud because there's no death penalty for fraud, that he won't be satisfied till Bush is on death row, and that he's willing to devote the next several years to the cause of prosecuting Bush, should any District Attorney bring charges and ask for his help.

I was in this audience and spoke to Bugliosi afterward. He is dead serious.

FWIW, I discussed Bugliosi on Black Op radio last Thursday. The program is available, here: Black Op radio 2009

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He said he didn't have a photo to post as an avatar when he was briefly a member. Now somebody on aaj is saying the Ed Forum is not accepting new members? I feel sure John Simkin would find a way for "DVP" to post if he were to pony up bio info and photo; especially since it was John who initiated this thread.

Edited by Pamela McElwain-Brown

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Does Von Pein a member here?

No, Apparently Von Pein is not his real name and he's so afraid of the truth he won't post a picture of himself, so he's disqualified on two points.

He's concerned about his "privacy"?

He calls Simkin a crackpot and me a flying monkey but doesn't have the balls to join the debate?

Says he's from Indiana?

And, Where exactly did he go to school with Gus Russo?

Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk

From: slats <o...@yahoo.com>

Date: 31 Jan 2009 00:51:36 -0500

Local: Sat, Jan 31 2009 12:51 am

Subject: Re: Pam & friends gossip about me & DVP

Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author

David Von Pein <davevonp<A href="http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?_done=/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/ecfe599fc1affbb1/53da767d334d2070&msg=912fbc1f4e9aa1f7" target=_parent>...@aol.com> wrote in news:b2dc0111-1b85-4de3-bad2-

df9a3b1d5...@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

> That other Education Forum thread was started by Tom "I Can't Say It

> Here At aaj Because The Post Will Certainly Be Rejected If I Call Him

> This Name" Purvis back in September '08.

Crackpot Simkin and his flying monkies really do give Nixon a run for his

money in the paranoia department. During my brief stay there, the locals

were *obsessed* with my listed occupation, demanding to know more about my

work. More than a few suggested that I might be a government "plant."

Thank God I didn't submit my real photo (they had no right to that anyway;

that goes double for my real name). The vast majority of them are

unhinged, Bush-hating leftists who bewailed things like FISA and the

Patriot Act to no end, yet didn't think twice about compromising MY

privacy. A pox on all of them.

xxxx

http://www.davidvonpein.blogspot.com/

"DVP" is just chock full of excuses for not providing any information that can be verified. There seems to be an agenda. Unfortunate, as he appears to have a bit of a following who might appreciate more concrete interactions with him, such as talking by phone or even actually meeting in person. However, this is not likely to happen as he is too busy trying to stay on the tightrope he has created.

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This guy is never seen publicly.

He won't post a picture of himself or any bio info.

Sounds like an alias for someone we would all recognize.

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