Dean Hagerman Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 peter PULEEEEEZE FIND IF POSSIBLE AND POST ANY OF TOM'S SCETCHES....TO MY KNOWLEDGE I DO NOT HAVE THEM I MUST HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED ELSEWHERE AT THE TIME AND MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY OR I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE APPRECIATIVELY SNAGGLED THEM...THANKYOU BOTH ... have a good day...best b Maybe Tosh will now think that I post more then just Bull S*it according to him in one of the deleted Peter Lemkin threads Bernice im not sure if this was the scetch you were looking for but I hope it is When I save pictures I try and put the name of the person who the picture came from and according to this scetch I got this picture from you over a year ago If you want the full size scetch I can email it to you, I think I have your email address in my PM inbox Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) thankyou Dean,this sketch was made by tosh i think 93ish he said...this along with all the others south knoll i believe I posted in Tosh's other thread for any wanting to know I have been lugging them around for years from one pc to another they come in useful at times when he's in town... the others are all ..re the shot from the south side sewer area.and south side....I just had a quick look i think they may be in this thread..i usually mark them Dean sometimes of course i slip,duh some i just know...stay well...btw send me what you have offered with thanks....i never refuse a photo... ...b Edited March 11, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 thankyou Dean,this sketch was made by tosh i think 93ish he said...this along with all the others south knoll i believe I posted in Tosh's other thread for any wanting to know I have been lugging them around for years from one pc to another they come in useful at times when he's in town... the others are all ..re the shot from the south side sewer area.and south side....I just had a quick look i think they may be in this thread..i usually mark them Dean sometimes of course i slip,duh some i just know...stay well...btw send me your email ad..ta....b I see now The problem is that I just had your name and Tosh for the name of this file, so I didnt know who it came from (i.e Tom Wilson or someone else) I will PM you my email Take care Bernice Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Lee, is there any indication of the pipe a rifle was supposedly pulled from was here : Hey John! Sorry - no clue. Marrs is on board here - could ask, but I already believe that the answer will be inconclusive. Not even clear if this event actually transpired - however, the pipes must have been worked on, because as I understand it - the original pipes [at the top of the underpass in the drain there] had a certain diameter in 1963 which would have allowed a full grown man to crawl through - while in 2010, they do not.\ Not a great answer I am afraid. - lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Hey Lee, good to see you posting. A very helpful answer I think. It explains perhaps an anomaly I noted there when the glossy cropped version was around. I had no idea there was a drain there. It was just an ''odd'' shadow which I couldn't account for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Hey Lee, good to see you posting.A very helpful answer I think. It explains perhaps an anomaly I noted there when the glossy cropped version was around. I had no idea there was a drain there. It was just an ''odd'' shadow which I couldn't account for. jOHN I guess this is posted is in tosh's other thread, i believe i have in one of them, though i am not sure now, i have posted them so many times on the fs..in the past..it all does at times become somewhat of a muddle, as others some save and others do not... this shows where at one time back in 63 the south side sewer drain was placed approx.fwtaw..b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 JOHN JUDGE TO TREEFROG RE SEWER SHOT...b http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/sewerShot.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 JOHN JUDGE TO TREEFROG RE SEWER SHOT...bhttp://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/sewerShot.html I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT LEE HAS REFERRED TO THAT HE WAS TRYING TO RECALL......B Wed, 04 Jun 1997 15:42 Posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk By: ahimsa@altinet.net Early information. City workers had the sewer opened behind the tool shed today. It appears to be a standard sewer in that the round opening is the top of the bell. The sides are built with brick and had iron rungs for climbing down. The pipe at the bottom was covered with mud and debris but it appeared to be 12-15 feet deep and about 4 feet in diameter. Tom Bowden The Conspiracy Museum No link working now, not found.. ******* Some Information is found below at the Detroit Funk..link..re drain shot .. scroll down.. http://www.detroitfunk.com/2005/11/20-week/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ''Penn Jones crawled through the pipes and discovered that going west along Elm leads to the vertical pipe that opens behind the Grassy Knoll fence near the overpass, and going across Elm and to the east leads to a grate in the basement of the Dallas jail. He yelled out when he got there, but no one responded.'' - JJ so, presumably there was a crawlable path from the south sewer as well? All the way to the basement. Hence my earlier post on the structures of underground DP. How extensive, were, are they really? To the PO basement? To the TSBD basement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) ''Penn Jones crawled through the pipes and discovered that going west along Elm leads to the vertical pipe that opens behind the Grassy Knoll fence near the overpass, and going across Elm and to the east leads to a grate in the basement of the Dallas jail. He yelled out when he got there, but no one responded.'' - JJso, presumably there was a crawlable path from the south sewer as well? All the way to the basement. Hence my earlier post on the structures of underground DP. How extensive, were, are they really? To the PO basement? To the TSBD basement? YES PENN WENT DOWN INTO THEM MANY TIMES..SEE HIM AND JACK BRAZIL AS WELL BELOW..AND MR.MARSH AND PENN WITH ROBERT GRODEN...AND ONE OF GARRISONS MEN CLIMBING DOWN INTO THE NORTH SIDE ONE IN 67 AND BRAZIL INSHOOTING POSITION ON THE NORTH SIDE.. I HAVE BEEN GATHERING, TRYING TO ON THE SEWERS, DRAINS Of DEALEY WITHIN FOR SOME YEARS..i Have no reason really why ,BUT I DO THINK A SHOT FROM THOSE TWO AREAS SOUTH OR NORTH COULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.. somone once called me the SEWER lady lol on rich's forum as each time they came up for discussion, i was there like a shot... .AS FAR AS THE TUNNELS AS THEY ARE CALLED ARE CONCERNED UNDER DALLAS, THESE BELOW ARE ALL I HAVE..I DID AT ONE TIME MAKE CONTACT WITH A WOMAN WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY IN A TOURISTS BUILDING...ABOUT THE TUNNEL MAPS, etc..SHE DID GET BACK TO ME TELLING ME THEY DID HAVE A VERY OLD ONE ON FILE AN OLD MAP SHOWING THE AREA TUNNELS ETC CHANGES, I ASKED TO PURCHASE A COPY, MORE THAN WILLING TO PAY FOR ANY EXPENSES, THAT WAS IT AFTER SENDING SEVERAL MORE EMAILS AND RECEIVING NO FURTHER INFORMATION I FINALLY LET IT GO...BUT FROM A SITE THAT WAS ON THE WEB I DID GET THESE A FEW YEARS AGO, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT STILL EXISTS...EXCUSE CAPS PLEASE...b Edited March 13, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 INFORMATION FROM 2004 FROM DR,J.J.JOHN JOHNSON...b Just another coincidence that there is suspicion that a shot may have been fired from the sewer and that a diagram of the Dealey Plaza sewer system was found in an aprtment vacated by Sergio Arcacha Smith. Two days before the event, Rose Cheramie told State Police Lt. Fruge that the President would be assassinated. The men who threw Rose Cheramie out of a bar room and left her on a road where she was struck by a car were later identified by the bar owner Mac Manual as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana, pimps who had hauled prostitutes from Florida to his place, actually Cuban exiles, and they were joined by a third man named John Paul Jennette. Smith had an office in the same building with Guy Banister and Lee Harvey Oswald at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. Lt. Fruge asked if the Assassinations Committee had found that diagrams of the sewer system in Dealey Plaza (from where gunmen were thought to have fired shots) were found in Sergio Smith's apartment, which had previously been rented by one of Jack Ruby's friends, a female bank teller. He thought Capt. Fritz might have mentioned this. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 INFORMATION FROM 2004 FROM DR,J.J.JOHN JOHNSON...bJust another coincidence that there is suspicion that a shot may have been fired from the sewer and that a diagram of the Dealey Plaza sewer system was found in an aprtment vacated by Sergio Arcacha Smith. Two days before the event, Rose Cheramie told State Police Lt. Fruge that the President would be assassinated. The men who threw Rose Cheramie out of a bar room and left her on a road where she was struck by a car were later identified by the bar owner Mac Manual as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana, pimps who had hauled prostitutes from Florida to his place, actually Cuban exiles, and they were joined by a third man named John Paul Jennette. Smith had an office in the same building with Guy Banister and Lee Harvey Oswald at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. Lt. Fruge asked if the Assassinations Committee had found that diagrams of the sewer system in Dealey Plaza (from where gunmen were thought to have fired shots) were found in Sergio Smith's apartment, which had previously been rented by one of Jack Ruby's friends, a female bank teller. He thought Capt. Fritz might have mentioned this. John Well, that is very interesting. Sergio apparently had a map of the sewer/tunnel system under DP. If this could be confirmed and a copy found... Which bank I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <stahlp@ix.netcom.com> ]] "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK...http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/inde...Killed_Kennedy ..........B Edited March 13, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <stahlp@ix.netcom.com> ]] The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK.............B http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58659498316845631# Edited March 13, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) For some reason this post as posted first isn't taking. I'll try again later. Edited March 13, 2010 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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