John Abt and Lee Harvey Oswald

[David Andrews]

People who like to debate the Babushka Lady's camera P.O.V. might like to play a game of "Where's Sparky?" using the footage below, from 0:24 through 0:27. Who does Oz stare at and acknowledge among the men on his left?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4wbqjVZsfc&feature=related

We have detailed bystander maps of Dealey Plaza, but nothing for the smaller scale Fatal Perp Walk.

This isn't even the footage that I've been describing, and am still looking for. That clip is filmed from an above angle, so that you see Oswald's legs and gait in the frame. You only see Ruby's back as he enters from frame right. You most definitely see a coy little flash of white teeth seconds before Oz makes the slight corner-turn and is shot. The clip may be the source of this still:

If this is an actual camera still and not a film frame, then who was filming from this P.O.V. and angle? Apparently the still and/or film photographer is not to Oswald's immediate left, but among the line of cameramen ahead of Oz and perpendicular to the line of reporters on his left.

Edited November 11, 2010 by David Andrews

[J. Raymond Carroll]

You most definitely see a coy little flash of white teeth seconds before Oz makes the slight corner-turn and is shot.

You are dreaming, old chap. With this and two bucks you can ride anywhere on the New York subway system.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Dupe. Sorry about that

Edited November 11, 2010 by J. Raymond Carroll

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I was listening to the Leonard Lopate show on NPR the other day, when he interviewed the former road manager for Jimi Henrix. This guy claimed that Hendrix was murdered by his manager for a $2Million life insurance policy. The guy sounded credible. He claimed that the manager confessed to him some time later. Apparently the manager had been a member of the British SAS and used to brag about killings he performed in Suez.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2010/nov/08/rock-roadie/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+${lopate}+(${Leonard+Lopate})&utm_content=${feed}

Some say this is just another "conspiracy theory."

Edited November 11, 2010 by J. Raymond Carroll

[David Andrews]

John: Alex Constantine's Hendrix article (and writings in The Covert War Against Rock) are probably the ultimate Hendrix conspiracy examination. Check his site - I'm not sure if this is all the Hendrix material he has up there:

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/the-jimi-hendrix-political-harassment-kidnap-and-murder-experience

Ray: No need to apologize for being a dupe.

Edited November 13, 2010 by David Andrews

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Ray: No need to apologize for being a dupe.

As the late GREAT Jackie Gleason used to say, Harr, Harr, Hardee Harr Harr!

I may have posted dupes, David, but I am not duped by your claim that Lee Oswald smiled in recognition of Jack Ruby!

You will never post a film or photo proving that, because it happened only in your imagination!

[David Andrews]

Ray: No need to apologize for being a dupe.

As the late GREAT Jackie Gleason used to say, Harr, Harr, Hardee Harr Harr!

I may have posted dupes, David, but I am not duped by your claim that Lee Oswald smiled in recognition of Jack Ruby!

You will never post a film or photo proving that, because it happened only in your imagination!

It's a matter of time before I run it down. I've already posted two clips that demonstrate Oswald glancing to his left. Several re-edited films in documentary clips have suspicious edits or film breaks, thus not showing full perp walk or the smile - which, BTW, occurs within three seconds before Ruby lunges forward.

Edited November 12, 2010 by David Andrews

[Duke Lane]

Ray: No need to apologize for being a dupe.

As the late GREAT Jackie Gleason used to say, Harr, Harr, Hardee Harr Harr!

I may have posted dupes, David, but I am not duped by your claim that Lee Oswald smiled in recognition of Jack Ruby!

You will never post a film or photo proving that, because it happened only in your imagination!

It's a matter of time before I run it down. I've already posted two clips that demonstrate Oswald glancing to his left. Several re-edited films in documentary clips have suspicious edits or film breaks, thus not showing full perp walk or the smile - which, BTW, occurs within three seconds before Ruby lunges forward.

Y'know, the degree and amount of alteration that's been done to the photo/videographic record of that weekend is simply astounding! The original had thought bubbles over his head so we knew what Oswald was thinking. They've obviously been removed to allow for greater conjecture. (Ruby's read: "I said it was your turn to buy breakfast at the diner the other day!")

[David Andrews]

Well, when I see, say, two different films of the same event edited together, so that the duration in which something odd occurred is elided, I wonder what somebody else doesn't want me to see.

I feel that way about the "damaged" Towner film* and the "late" beginning of Zapruder, which we edit together into a mental conception of the corner turn, even without reassemblage by documentary filmmakers.

What I need to do is find the time to stop trawling YouTube sporadically (where the "smile" footage was once uploaded) and start looking for the archival clips. I'm working too much, so that effort is delayed.

*To be fair to circumstances - is Towner damaged where it is because investigators in 1963 replayed it too much, looking at an anomaly?

[David Williams]

I'm not sure if this helps you David.

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/30th_Issue/lho_ruby.html

Dave

[David Andrews]

I'm not sure if this helps you David.

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/30th_Issue/lho_ruby.html

Dave

Yes, I saw that this week, but hadn't had time to put up the link.

FWIW - Oswald's longish glance to his left is discussed in JVB's Me and Lee, though she doesn't have the "smile" moment photo, either.

I quite realize what I am opening myself to by mentioning it - but is everybody who's wrong wrong all the time?...

Edited November 12, 2010 by David Andrews

[David Williams]

Look at this film around 4m 09, (or just before)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4-ay8oggpU&feature=related

Dave

[David Andrews]

Look at this film around 4m 09, (or just before)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4-ay8oggpU&feature=related

Dave

Good! Yes! Do see the moments around 3:56 - 4:09.

Similar to what I saw in the other film, though Oswald's "smile" moment is obscured by the reporter's head.

I saw this on YouTube, but I got caught up in the "mystery bystanders" exposition, and when I didn't see the smile, I neglected to look at what is there in the slo-mo. It's certainly thought-provoking to see Oz look at Ruby and look away like that, seemingly ignoring how quickly Ruby is lunging forward. BTW again, I saw the smile flashed within three seconds of the shot in the footage I'm looking for.

I have to check the normal-speed footage more carefully, and against other footage, when I have more time. But, THANKS, Dave!

Ray - I'm gaining on you...

ADDENDUM Viewed in full-screen, Oswald's actions seem really odd. He looks "in Ruby's direction" seemingly just as Ruby starts to step forward. But Oswald never looks at Ruby again, even when Ruby is nearly in front of him.

Edited November 14, 2010 by David Andrews

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Ray - I'm gaining on you...

Well you'd better hurry up David. These videos have been around for nearly fifty years, and still no sign that Oz recognized ANYONE in the crowd that morning.

I admire your perseverance, but you are backing a losing horse. If you know anything about Lee Oswald you should know that he did not hang out with guys like Ruby. He was more selective about the company he kept.

[Greg Parker]

If you know anything about Lee Oswald you should know that he did not hang out with guys like Ruby. He was more selective about the company he kept.

Too true, Ray.

He preferred the company of White Russian Solidarists and (alleged) liberal, (but very definitely) anti-Communist Quakers and Unitarians (who quickly hatched a plan to use his wife as a tax deduction).

And his preferred place of higher learning? Tulane? Harvard? Howard Knox? SMU? The Hogeye Intsitute of Podiatry? Nope.

A college in Swizerland backed by CIA asset, Percival Brundage and praised for its work in the field of "spirituality" (read: metaphysics) by adherants of Madame Blavatsky whose philospohy helped unleash Nazism.

And who did he name in his callege application as being his favourite authors? Marx? Trotsky? Oscar Wilde? May Gibbs? Nope.

His favourite authors were a racist faux Socialist; another theorist who inspired the Nazis and a rabid conservative anti-Catholic who was about to try and wreck Kennedy's candidacy.

Wow. No wonder the KGB thought he was a goofball!