New book on Victoria Adams by author Barry Ernest

[Kathleen Collins]

Greg Parker, as per all hard-boiled conspiracy theorists who enjoy their fantasies much more than reality,

Yes, and you know this as precisely as you know Oswald was the 6th floor sniper, Dave.

is more than willing (and even eager) to throw away all of the "Oswald Was Here" evidence found on Floor #6 on 11/22. Right, Gregory?

Oswald was there - every working day.

Just chuck all of the evidence straight into the trash, including the rifle and the three shells

Tainted evidence of unproven provenance.

and Brennan's testimony

Is accurate, apart from his belated ID of Oswald whose alibi checks out when all the evidence is considered.

and LHO's prints which littered the Sniper's Nest.

As were others. And he worked there.

I expect most online conspiracists to pretend that every piece of evidence damning to Oswald was faked.

Nope. The evidence against him falls into a number categories.

Why should you be different?

To annoy you, of course!

Adams and Styles, in case you forgot in the last nano-second, missed him because they had gone down BEFORE Baker and Truly had gone up (according to Garner).

Couldn't have happened. Not in the real world. Not unless Miss Adams and Miss Styles were world-class sprinters. And we know they stayed at the south-side windows for a certain period of time, too. And yet they still supposedly managed to beat Truly and Baker to the stairs?? Hogwash.

Well, unlike others, I haven't spent very much time at all studying this pair. But I did just check Adams' testimony and she says that she left 15 to 30 seconds after the last shot and took approximately one minute after that to get to the first floor. Maybe it was a bit quicker and Baker and/or Truly were a bit slower. It certainly could not have happened at the time you claim for the simple reason that they only encountered a single cop on the front stairs and he let them back in. Any later, and there was a cop stationed at the door enforcing the "no entry" order.

Edit: have just re-read Sean Murphy's description of his interview with Styles. Granted, her words seem to be paraphased to some extent, but Sean is not someone who would intellionally mislead - the point being that she comes across as very credible. Her version does explain not seeing anyone on the way down in a manner that does away with any argument over a few seconds here or there. And it is possible they got back in just prior to the full lockdown.

In short -- It's a thousand times easier to explain away Garner's 6/2/64 statement provided by Barry Ernest than it is for conspiracists to explain away all of that incredibly incriminating evidence against Lee H. Oswald that was discovered on the sixth floor.

There is no incredibly incriminating evidence against Oswald. It is a case entirely built on circumstantial evidence - the type of evidence favoured by crooked cops and DAs who manufacture cases for a variety of reasons.

"It was a time when the pendulum had swung far to the right. If the police decided you were guilty of something, they made a case and you were found guilty. It was just that simple. Candy's real crime was she wouldn't cooperate with the vice squad."

Lester May - defence lawyer for Candy Barr in her drug trial. The case included illegal bugs and planted evidence.

"We are making every effort to engage other attorney's to correct the many mistakes that have been made thus far and to properly handle this matter on appeal. This change of counsel may expose us to further embarrassment before the public but it cannot be avoided... Our difficulty is in finding a lawyer in Dallas completely free of the influence of the D.A.'s office."

Sol Dan - appeals lawyer for Jack Ruby

I want to say something about Greg Parker as a researcher. He was the only one who solved that G-- Damned Oxnard call which drove me nuts for years.

I also want to say -- and maybe Jack White can back me up. There were 2 Oswalds. The one up in the window was Lee Oswald. Harvey Oswald was near a phone by the lunch room. He got on the bus, etc, was arrested and murdered by Jack Ruby. Lee got into a station wagon, showed up at the Texas Theater, was escorted out like a prisoner in handcuffs, while a mob riot was spinning around Harvey Oswald's arrest from the same theater in the front entrance..

We never saw Lee again. He probably got on a plane in a small, local airport and disappeared. Read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong.

Kathy C

[Robert Howard]

http://www.blackopra...chives2011.html

Len and I talked about Barry's interesting book on BOR radio last night, May 5th, the second installment above.

Try and get the word out on this one. Since it is so cheap to buy in the E version.

I ran across what I suppose is a rough draft of the February 17, 1964 Adams statement ostensibly taken, by the document I have by J.R. Leavelle.

I do not have the resources to buy books as I once did, and if I did I would have to get a new computer, for the kindle version of Bloody Treason, which I believe is the best single book on the assassination to this day. At any rate, I am happy for Mr. Ernst and am glad he has shared his research with us.

I copied this from the Microfiche Library documents on the JFK Assassination, it may be much ado about nothing. Spelling

errors are included.

STATEMENT OF VICKIE ADAMS

I talked with Vickie Adams at 8:10 pm this date, February 17, 1964

The following statement is what she said happened November 22, 1963.

My name is Vickie Adams, 3909 Cole, Apt. D., no phone. My job is

office service representative. I reported to work that day about 8:30 am,

and I worked in that capacity until noon.

A friend of mine, Elsie Harmon, who lives in Oak Cliff and works in the

office, wanted to take some moving pictures of the motorcade. I opened a

third floor window about the third one from the front of the building. She

took pictures of the motorcade. When the President got in front of us I

heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first

shot. I thought it was a firecracker. Then the second shot I saw the

Secret Service man run to the back of the President's car. After the

third shot, I went out the back door. I said, "I think someone has

been shot." The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs.

I went down to the first floor. I saw Mr. Shelly and another employee named

Bill. The freight elevator had not moved, and I still did not see anyone

on the stairs.

I ran out the back door of the depository and around to the front. I

started down toward the railroad tracks when an officer storped me and turned

me back. I asked the officer if the President was shot, and he said he did

not know. As I turned back I saw another employee Molena standing by the

front of the building facing Elm Street. I stopped and talked with Avery

Davis another employee. I saw two men in street clothes, one was gesturing

with his hands and asking questions. I asked Mr. Davis who he was. I

later saw Jack Ruby on TV and thought it was the same man. No one had

surrounded the building at that time. I went back into the building and

the passenger elevator, but the power was off. I went to the back to the

freight elevator. There were two plainclothes men on it. However, the

power on it also was turned off. I went up the stairs to the fourth

floor to my office. We were later told to leave.

This concludes Miss. Adams' statement to me.

J. R. Leavelle

END

Here is the URL for her affidavit in CE 1381

http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=171462

Edited August 26, 2011 by Robert Howard

[William Kelly]

Jim,

Victoria Adams never made a change to her testimony regarding the 15 to 30 second time period. It was always that estimate. The only changes she made to her testimony involved spelling and grammar, none of which appeared in the final version in the 26 volumes. Those changes were made in her fourth-floor office of the TSBD.

Coupled with the fact Miss Adams did not see or hear anyone let alone Oswald, her sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor, two men who claimed they did not return to the TSBD until several minutes after the assassination, became a major factor in the WC's logic of saying she was wrong about when she descended the back stairs. It is that logic which continues to be used today to discredit her, and on it's face, it does appear to be reasonable.

In my interviews with her, however, Vicki insisted the Shelley/Lovelady passage had been inserted into her testimony and the reasons she felt that way are spelled out in my book. She said those were not her words, they didn't sound at all like the way she would have said it, and the passage was NOT in the original testimony she examined in her office that afternoon. No mention was made of the Shelley/Lovelady encounter in any of the other interviews she did with authorities except for the one with Det. Leavelle of the DPD. A close and objective reading of that statement does seem to indicate that the passage saying she saw Shelley and Lovelady is out of context with the rest of what she is saying at that point. Perhaps that is why the DPD interviewed her twice, the second time with Leavelle under the reasoning that a fire at police headquarters had destroyed Miss Adams' file. No such fire occurred.

Reading Shelley and Lovelady's testimony, it's clear they did not see her, Shelley especially and in Lovelady's case, there is every indication that he was "coached" into making the even mild statement that he evenutually did, admitting he couldn't "swear" to the fact a girl he saw was Vicki.

Sandra Styles confirmed for me that Shelley and Lovelady were not there. She knew both men well and told me she didn't understand why Vicki would have made the statement ("if she did," she said) that the two men were there when, in her words, "they definitely" were not. She seemed adamant about it.

The Martha Jo Stroud letter as well confirms the timing of Vicki's early descent.

How then do we account for the questioned passage in Vicki's testimony when Vicki and Sandra did NOT see Shelley and Lovelady, Shelley and Lovelady did not see them, and the Stroud letter now confirms the accuracy of what Vicki had been saying all along about her early descent down the stairs?

And thank you for being kind! As for Groden, Stone, and Mack, those were simply my observations recorded at that moment and should not be interpreted necessarily as criticisms or endorsements.

[William Kelly]

http://www.blackopra...chives2011.html

Len and I talked about Barry's interesting book on BOR radio last night, May 5th, the second installment above.

Try and get the word out on this one. Since it is so cheap to buy in the E version.

I ran across what I suppose is a rough draft of the February 17, 1964 Adams statement ostensibly taken, by the document I have by J.R. Leavelle.

I do not have the resources to buy books as I once did, and if I did I would have to get a new computer, for the kindle version of Bloody Treason, which I believe is the best single book on the assassination to this day. At any rate, I am happy for Mr. Ernst and am glad he has shared his research with us.

I copied this from the Microfiche Library documents on the JFK Assassination, it may be much ado about nothing. Spelling

errors are included.

STATEMENT OF VICKIE ADAMS

I talked with Vickie Adams at 8:10 pm this date, February 17, 1964

The following statement is what she said happened November 22, 1963.

My name is Vickie Adams, 3909 Cole, Apt. D., no phone. My job is

office service representative. I reported to work that day about 8:30 am,

and I worked in that capacity until noon.

A friend of mine, Elsie Harmon, who lives in Oak Cliff and works in the

office, wanted to take some moving pictures of the motorcade. I opened a

third floor window about the third one from the front of the building. She

took pictures of the motorcade. When the President got in front of us I

heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first

shot. I thought it was a firecracker. Then the second shot I saw the

Secret Service man run to the back of the President's car. After the

third shot, I went out the back door. I said, "I think someone has

been shot." The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs.

I went down to the first floor. I saw Mr. Shelly and another employee named

Bill. The freight elevator had not moved, and I still did not see anyone

on the stairs.

I ran out the back door of the depository and around to the front. I

started down toward the railroad tracks when an officer storped me and turned

me back. I asked the officer if the President was shot, and he said he did

not know. As I turned back I saw another employee Molena standing by the

front of the building facing Elm Street. I stopped and talked with Avery

Davis another employee. I saw two men in street clothes, one was gesturing

with his hands and asking questions. I asked Mr. Davis who he was. I

later saw Jack Ruby on TV and thought it was the same man. No one had

surrounded the building at that time. I went back into the building and

the passenger elevator, but the power was off. I went to the back to the

freight elevator. There were two plainclothes men on it. However, the

power on it also was turned off. I went up the stairs to the fourth

floor to my office. We were later told to leave.

This concludes Miss. Adams' statement to me.

J. R. Leavelle

END

Here is the URL for her affidavit in CE 1381

http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=171462

[Barry Ernest]

http://www.blackopra...chives2011.html

Len and I talked about Barry's interesting book on BOR radio last night, May 5th, the second installment above.

Try and get the word out on this one. Since it is so cheap to buy in the E version.

I ran across what I suppose is a rough draft of the February 17, 1964 Adams statement ostensibly taken, by the document I have by J.R. Leavelle.

I do not have the resources to buy books as I once did, and if I did I would have to get a new computer, for the kindle version of Bloody Treason, which I believe is the best single book on the assassination to this day. At any rate, I am happy for Mr. Ernst and am glad he has shared his research with us.

I copied this from the Microfiche Library documents on the JFK Assassination, it may be much ado about nothing. Spelling

errors are included.

STATEMENT OF VICKIE ADAMS

I talked with Vickie Adams at 8:10 pm this date, February 17, 1964

The following statement is what she said happened November 22, 1963.

My name is Vickie Adams, 3909 Cole, Apt. D., no phone. My job is

office service representative. I reported to work that day about 8:30 am,

and I worked in that capacity until noon.

A friend of mine, Elsie Harmon, who lives in Oak Cliff and works in the

office, wanted to take some moving pictures of the motorcade. I opened a

third floor window about the third one from the front of the building. She

took pictures of the motorcade. When the President got in front of us I

heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first

shot. I thought it was a firecracker. Then the second shot I saw the

Secret Service man run to the back of the President's car. After the

third shot, I went out the back door. I said, "I think someone has

been shot." The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs.

I went down to the first floor. I saw Mr. Shelly and another employee named

Bill. The freight elevator had not moved, and I still did not see anyone

on the stairs.

I ran out the back door of the depository and around to the front. I

started down toward the railroad tracks when an officer storped me and turned

me back. I asked the officer if the President was shot, and he said he did

not know. As I turned back I saw another employee Molena standing by the

front of the building facing Elm Street. I stopped and talked with Avery

Davis another employee. I saw two men in street clothes, one was gesturing

with his hands and asking questions. I asked Mr. Davis who he was. I

later saw Jack Ruby on TV and thought it was the same man. No one had

surrounded the building at that time. I went back into the building and

the passenger elevator, but the power was off. I went to the back to the

freight elevator. There were two plainclothes men on it. However, the

power on it also was turned off. I went up the stairs to the fourth

floor to my office. We were later told to leave.

This concludes Miss. Adams' statement to me.

J. R. Leavelle

END

Here is the URL for her affidavit in CE 1381

http://www.maryferre...bsPageId=171462

What is interesting about the Leavelle interview with Vicki is the background to it. Vicki said this guy (Leavelle) came to the front door of her apartment, scaring her because he stood in darkness that night, and asked to interview her about what she had seen and done after the assassination. She was suspicious because, at that time, she had recently moved from the address where she had previously lived in order to share expenses with a roommate. She had not as yet given a forwarding address to her boss, the post office, or even any of her friends. She didn't have a telephone and the apartment was listed in her roommate's name, not hers. Yet the police still had found her.

She had been interviewed by the Dallas Police much earlier. She told me when she asked Leavelle why the need for a second interview that covered the exact same things that she had been asked in that earlier interview, Leavelle told her that there had been a fire at DPD headquarters and her previous file had been destroyed. There is no record of such fire.

This interview with Leavelle is the first time mention of Shelley and Lovelady occurred in any of her many interviews with authorities. It took place nearly three months after the assassination. All other interviews with her do not mention a word about Shelley and Lovelady, even though in those interviews she discusses the same thing each time and talks about arriving on the first floor and then going out the back door. When I forwarded a copy of this interview to Vicki (she had not read it before), she was surprised by the Shelley/Lovelady reference. On further study and thought, she felt the line about the two men had been inserted into her interview because it seemed out of context with what she was saying both before and after. Was this why a second interview was done and the explanation about a DPD fire was offered?

Interesting too is when I interviewed Leavelle on October 7, 1999, in Dallas, I asked him about Victoria Adams. He vaguely remembered her and said, "But it wasn't germane with what we were looking for." When I asked him what he meant by that, he replied: "We were preparing for trial and if the witness couldn't provide anything we could use against Oswald, it wasn't important."

[Guest Tom Scully]

Barry, after reading this post yesterday, your interview of the Higgins couple at 417 E. 10th St.,

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8366&st=75#entry256022

.....I wondered when you interviewed them, what their background was and what became of them.

Your interview impresses any reader with the weight of the knowledge Mrs. Higgins had hanging over her.

If she is to believed, it was impossible for Oswald to have arrived at the murder scene in time to shoot

officer Tippit at 1:06 pm.

After her husband, Donald Reed Higgins died at age 59, in October, 1969, Mrs. D.R. Higgins did what anyone

in her position would be likely to do. She buried her husband in another state, and disappeared. She does not

occupy the grave next to her husband's, and I find no trace of her. I am not alone. A nephew of her husband seems to

have the same frustration. He provides the details that Higgins was an accomplished pianist who played at the Patio Lounge, and that Mrs. Higgins was a native American from Oklahoma who was named Billie.

Texas birth records show Donald Reed Higgins fathering two children with someone named Noeldam or Noel Deene Gibson.

Other than that, Mrs. Higgins seems to leave no trace. Property record do not indicate that the Higgins owned 417 E. 10th.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TXDALLAS/2002-10/1035735340WOW!!! Jim you are a geneaology angel. This is the first breakthrough in finding my Uncle Donald. His younger brother is going to be so happy, after all it has been almost 60 years since we heard from Donald. What else can I do to find out more stuff? Most grateful, Robert Leonard

[Karl Kinaski]

Barry Ernest in his fine book not only destroys the "Ossi running down the stairs" myth of the WCR, he destroys the WCR timeline of the Tippit killing too.

Oswald in court would have been acquitted by only calling these four witnesses: Mr and Mrs Higgins, Victora Adams and Sandra Styles...

KK

[David Josephs]

I had always believed that those at the window would still be at the window during Dillard since it was so soon after the shots...

Dillard was a few seconds to 20-30 seconds after the last shots?

Jarman/Williams/Norman are still at the windows....

there are people standing at the 4th floor window 4 & 6 sets of windows from the East

and a man on the 3rd floor 2nd window from East

While this may not place the timing exactly - it definitely shows that Ms Adams, Styles, Dorman and Garner were gone from the window by Dillard's photo

Please also remember Sawyer's trip to the 4th floor a few minutes later... with two DPD men...

only to return a couple minutes later without the two men.

Part of the concentration on Oswald allowed a multitude of people to come and go from that building without any identification..

Infact, it seems the DPD went out of their way NOT to ID witnesses who provided the most important info..

Cheer

DJ

.

[Thomas Graves]

Jim,

Victoria Adams never made a change to her testimony regarding the 15 to 30 second time period. It was always that estimate. The only changes she made to her testimony involved spelling and grammar, none of which appeared in the final version in the 26 volumes. Those changes were made in her fourth-floor office of the TSBD.

Coupled with the fact Miss Adams did not see or hear anyone let alone Oswald, her sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor, two men who claimed they did not return to the TSBD until several minutes after the assassination, became a major factor in the WC's logic of saying she was wrong about when she descended the back stairs. It is that logic which continues to be used today to discredit her, and on it's face, it does appear to be reasonable.

In my interviews with her, however, Vicki insisted the Shelley/Lovelady passage had been inserted into her testimony and the reasons she felt that way are spelled out in my book. She said those were not her words, they didn't sound at all like the way she would have said it, and the passage was NOT in the original testimony she examined in her office that afternoon. No mention was made of the Shelley/Lovelady encounter in any of the other interviews she did with authorities except for the one with Det. Leavelle of the DPD. A close and objective reading of that statement does seem to indicate that the passage saying she saw Shelley and Lovelady is out of context with the rest of what she is saying at that point. Perhaps that is why the DPD interviewed her twice, the second time with Leavelle under the reasoning that a fire at police headquarters had destroyed Miss Adams' file. No such fire occurred.

Reading Shelley and Lovelady's testimony, it's clear they did not see her, Shelley especially and in Lovelady's case, there is every indication that he was "coached" into making the even mild statement that he evenutually did, admitting he couldn't "swear" to the fact a girl he saw was Vicki.

Sandra Styles confirmed for me that Shelley and Lovelady were not there. She knew both men well and told me she didn't understand why Vicki would have made the statement ("if she did," she said) that the two men were there when, in her words, "they definitely" were not. She seemed adamant about it.

The Martha Jo Stroud letter as well confirms the timing of Vicki's early descent.

How then do we account for the questioned passage in Vicki's testimony when Vicki and Sandra did NOT see Shelley and Lovelady, Shelley and Lovelady did not see them, and the Stroud letter now confirms the accuracy of what Vicki had been saying all along about her early descent down the stairs?

And thank you for being kind! As for Groden, Stone, and Mack, those were simply my observations recorded at that moment and should not be interpreted necessarily as criticisms or endorsements.

bumped

[Richard Gilbride]

Barry's a nice guy. He responded to an e-mail query before i had the chance to get back to my computer, and was right on top of what I was wondering about. Inside Job, p. 65

The lunchroom hoaxers belittle his work but, frankly, they aren't in his league.

[Ray Mitcham]

Lovely coached? Listen to his reply to Ball.

Mr. LOVELADY - I drive my truck here (indicating) but we came in from this direction; that would have to be west.
Mr. BALL - You came into the building from the west side?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Where did you go into the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Through that, those raised-up doors.
Mr. BALL - Through the raised-up doors?
Mr. LOVELADY - Through that double door that we in the morning when we get there we raised. There's a fire door and they have two wooden doors between it.
Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie."

"I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie"

Why would he mention "Vickie" when her name hadn't been mentioned at in testimony or questioning?

​How would he know to say he couldn't swear that it wasn't Vickie, if her name hadn't previously been mentioned to him?

Edited December 5, 2015 by Ray Mitcham

[Thomas Graves]

Lovely coached? Listen to his reply to Ball.

Mr. LOVELADY - I drive my truck here (indicating) but we came in from this direction; that would have to be west.

Mr. BALL - You came into the building from the west side?

Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

Mr. BALL - Where did you go into the building?

Mr. LOVELADY - Through that, those raised-up doors.

Mr. BALL - Through the raised-up doors?

Mr. LOVELADY - Through that double door that we in the morning when we get there we raised. There's a fire door and they have two wooden doors between it.

Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?

Mr. LOVELADY - Right.

Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?

Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie."

"I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie"

Why would he mention "Vickie" when her name hadn't been mentioned at in testimony or questioning?

​How would he know to say he couldn't swear that it wasn't Vickie, if her name hadn't previously been mentioned to him?

Ray,

Lovelady may have "let the cat out of the bag" here.

But I gotta ask you two non-rhetorical questions.

1 ) Do you think Lovelady saw a girl on the first floor?

2 ) If so, who do you think that girl was?

--Tommy

Edited December 5, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Robert Prudhomme]

Billy Lovelady saw Victoria Adams on the first floor, and she testified to seeing him and Bill Shelley.

If you simply discount S & L's tale of going to the rail yard and circumnavigating the TSBD for the fairy tale it was, it becomes apparent that these two were back inside the TSBD almost immediately after the assassination.

P.S.

Gloria Calvery was standing much closer to the TSBD entrance than her FBI statement tells us; so close, in fact, she was likely closer to the concrete island than Bill Shelley was, and arrived at the concrete island before he had crossed the street.

[Thomas Graves]

Billy Lovelady saw Victoria Adams on the first floor, and she testified to seeing him and Bill Shelley.

If you simply discount S & L's tale of going to the rail yard and circumnavigating the TSBD for the fairy tale it was, it becomes apparent that these two were back inside the TSBD almost immediately after the assassination.

P.S.

Gloria Calvery was standing much closer to the TSBD entrance than her FBI statement tells us; so close, in fact, she was likely closer to the concrete island than Bill Shelley was, and arrived at the concrete island before he had crossed the street.

Ba Ba,

So I guess Lovelady didn't know Adams very well (and / or he had a poor memory) because he said he saw a girl there but couldn't swear that it was Adams...

OK.

--Tommy

Edit: (From a "Barry E." post on the jfkmurdersolved website) --

What if I told you that Vicki Adams said she NEVER told the Commission she saw and spoke with Shelley and Lovelady, and that she actually had spoken to someone else on the first floor?

Or Sandra Styles, who said she remembers that other person being on the first floor too, but DEFINITELY did not see Shelley and Lovelady there, even though she knew both men well?

http://forum.jfkmurdersolved.com/viewtopic.php?p=30987

Edited December 5, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Robert Prudhomme]

Billy Lovelady saw Victoria Adams on the first floor, and she testified to seeing him and Bill Shelley.

If you simply discount S & L's tale of going to the rail yard and circumnavigating the TSBD for the fairy tale it was, it becomes apparent that these two were back inside the TSBD almost immediately after the assassination.

P.S.

Gloria Calvery was standing much closer to the TSBD entrance than her FBI statement tells us; so close, in fact, she was likely closer to the concrete island than Bill Shelley was, and arrived at the concrete island before he had crossed the street.

Ba Ba,

So I guess Lovelady didn't know Adams very well (and / or he had a poor memory) because he said he saw a girl there but couldn't swear that it was Adams...

OK.

--Tommy

Edit: (From a "Barry E." post on the jfkmurdersolved website) --

What if I told you that Vicki Adams said she NEVER told the Commission she saw and spoke with Shelley and Lovelady, and that she actually had spoken to someone else on the first floor?

Or Sandra Styles, who said she remembers that other person being on the first floor too, but DEFINITELY did not see Shelley and Lovelady there, even though she knew both men well?

http://forum.jfkmurdersolved.com/viewtopic.php?p=30987

If that quote from Barry Ernest is genuine, and Victoria Adams' testimony was indeed altered to include a sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor that never occurred, it would fit quite neatly into a very weak part of my theory; that being I have puzzled greatly on how Shelley could have crossed the Elm St. extension, spoken for a piece of time to Gloria Calvery about the shooting and then returned inside the TSBD, with Billy Lovelady in tow, in time to be spotted by Victoria Adams, just before she exited the rear of the building.

I don't think there is any doubt about it. Once it was decided to go with the 2nd floor lunch room encounter, the only thing standing in their way was Victoria Adams, who stubbornly refused to recall seeing Oswald, Truly or Baker on the stairs, despite the fact the timing of her egress should have coincided with his descent and their ascent. What I don't understand is, why did they even allow her to testify?